Thats 99% of fed posts. They want everything and demand they get it. Even when they do get it (carriers) they complain about it(atrox). They want raiders, they want orions, they want cloaks, they want(and got) all the KDF consoles worth having.
Feds still manage to cry and complain when given almost all the devs time and attention. We have two year gaps in between new ships, and pretty much the same uniform options we had at launch. Meanwhile gluttonous fed players get constant streams of new content and not only cry for more but demand what scrap everyone else has.
"There's nothing on this ship that doesn't have a use in combat."
This quote taken straight from the dev blog...how can they say this and NOT give it BattleCloak? We will see tomorrow when the stats are released, but man that's just cheese if they don't give it battlecloak. The veteran Klingon ship has battlecloak. I'm going to be highly disappointed if they wuuuuuuuus out.
Aren't Battlecloaks usually reserved for Bop sized ships? I think the Vet ship got one because its a one off special ship . I'd be very surprised if this gets a battlecloak when no other battlecruiser does
Aren't Battlecloaks usually reserved for Bop sized ships? I think the Vet ship got one because its a one off special ship . I'd be very surprised if this gets a battlecloak when no other battlecruiser does
And yet the massive rom ships have them, much larger than a bortas, even.
Which is exactly the point I was making when I made my comment about the angst you'd see if Cryptic were to give the KDF a 3-pack verion of the Avenger. The crybabies Fed-side would be coming out of the woodwork. It goes both ways (actually it goes 3 ways, there are plenty of whiners Rommy-side as well, shut up about Tovan Khev!).
I personally cannot wait to buy the Mogh, mainly because I want to support the KDF and convince Cryptic to invest more into the faction.
I, on my own, and for those FEW KDFers that act reasonably mature, I would've liked to see more stuff done for the KDF side of the house. (And yeah, the point about Tovan's been beaten to death already, lol, for the Rihan).
But it seems like, most of the time, when something's done for the KDF, a lot of people that are Fed-prime, are saying, "Hey, that's cool. Might give me incentive to go play over there, or make a KDF character up.", Or even just, "Hey, that's cool". But every time the Feds get something, just about every KDF-prime is screaming "UNFAIR". I just get sick of it. Hell, I could care less whether that new ship, item, or whatever the heck comes out, is Rihan, Fed, KDF, or shared. It's something new to look at at, and see if I want to utilize it. If it's content, it may be something I'd be interested in playing through.
Just seems like most of the KDF want want want, and don't care about anyone else.
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Thats 99% of fed posts. They want everything and demand they get it. Even when they do get it (carriers) they complain about it(atrox). They want raiders, they want orions, they want cloaks, they want(and got) all the KDF consoles worth having.
Feds still manage to cry and complain when given almost all the devs time and attention. We have two year gaps in between new ships, and pretty much the same uniform options we had at launch. Meanwhile gluttonous fed players get constant streams of new content and not only cry for more but demand what scrap everyone else has.
Alot of your post, ties into another post I made, a few days ago. IE KDF gives up a console to share, and it's cried about. Fed's share a console, KDF are like, "Eh it's not even worth using". So tell me, who got screwed if the KDF has such superior equipment to begin with?
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
I, on my own, and for those FEW KDFers that act reasonably mature, I would've liked to see more stuff done for the KDF side of the house. (And yeah, the point about Tovan's been beaten to death already, lol, for the Rihan).
But it seems like, most of the time, when something's done for the KDF, a lot of people that are Fed-prime, are saying, "Hey, that's cool. Might give me incentive to go play over there, or make a KDF character up.", Or even just, "Hey, that's cool". But every time the Feds get something, just about every KDF-prime is screaming "UNFAIR". I just get sick of it. Hell, I could care less whether that new ship, item, or whatever the heck comes out, is Rihan, Fed, KDF, or shared. It's something new to look at at, and see if I want to utilize it. If it's content, it may be something I'd be interested in playing through.
Just seems like most of the KDF want want want, and don't care about anyone else.
To be perfectly fair , its not completely accurate saying just one side or another is all WANT WANT WANT. There are players on all three factions like that
There are as many threads made by KDF players wanting new ships as their are threads made by fed players wanting battle cloaks or full carriers.
To be perfectly fair , its not completely accurate saying just one side or another is all WANT WANT WANT. There are players on all three factions like that
There are as many threads made by KDF players wanting new ships as their are threads made by fed players wanting battle cloaks or full carriers.
I don't have a problem, with people publishing their wishlists. I DO have a problem with people going "TRIBBLE the x side, we deserve everything.", and especially if x side gives something up to be shared, the y side saying "Oh, it's sucks anyway, we didn't want that., it's a POS." And then in the same breath saying "We're so ignored. We never get anything". I mean, come one, if the other side's stuff sucks that bad, that doesn't seem to me, like you were so ignored, maybe it means you had better equipment to begin with, and thus, the other side needs more of other stuff, to compensate.
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Well to be fair , two years between ships is a bit harsh ...
I imagine the outcry on the federation side of things would be exactly the same if the situation was reversed
Well to be fair , two years between ships is a bit harsh ...
I imagine the outcry on the federation side of things would be exactly the same if the situation was reversed
Well, if we had "unique" stuff, that was extremely powerful, I wouldn't. I might WISH there were more stuff, coming out more often, but I wouldn't be unhappy, or actively mad, if it didn't Sheesh. And if a faction shares a piece of equipment, I might be PERSONALLY like, it sucks, but publicly I'd be like, "Eh, I just don't plan on using it. I wouldn't be screaming "Oh that's not fair", over & over.
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Well everyone's different , and doesn't necessarily share the same opinion
It is my personal opinion that the KDF ( and by extension Romulan ) fleets should have just as much diversity in ships as the Federation currently does, not everyone may agree , but that's the great thing about opinions , you don't have to.
Alot of your post, ties into another post I made, a few days ago. IE KDF gives up a console to share, and it's cried about. Fed's share a console, KDF are like, "Eh it's not even worth using". So tell me, who got screwed if the KDF has such superior equipment to begin with?
Pretty sure KDF got screwed because Feds got what little we had on top of everything else. I would expect Klingons to have better battle consoles because that is what the faction is about. You've kept your much better science edge but took our combat edge(battle cruisers, carriers, combat consoles).
Your post proves my point. Even with all the dev attention Feds get they still cried for the few things that the kdf had. It's like a rich guy robbing a poor man.
Just have to say, "Huh?"
Not really getting the reference.
Then again, maybe having a dungeon to throw people in wouldn't be such a bad idea.......
It is a reference to letting trolls out of the dungeons to rant in this thread. I should think in this gaming community that reference would be obvious to the most casual observer given the Fed whiner fan boy nature of your self entitlement post.
This thread is about encouraging those who play KDF to support buying a ship in hope that making this one profitable. The Bortasqu was a failed venture and some devs have stated the reason more isn't done for KDF is lack of sales. You then come in with a rant against KDF parity when you could have just kept your bias to yourself.
This thread was positive until your post. Your post is just as self entitled as what you over broadly paint the KDF community as when each and every one of us regardless of preferred faction should be standing up for parity for everyone's gaming experience.
I do not say this to offend you, but A little humility and charity on you part would be helpful.
Clear enough now?
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
Well everyone's different , and doesn't necessarily share the same opinion
It is my personal opinion that the KDF ( and by extension Romulan ) fleets should have just as much diversity in ships as the Federation currently does, not everyone may agree , but that's the great thing about opinions , you don't have to.
I don't know if you're faction-neutral, or have a faction specific bias. Can't tell from the flavour of the posts you're making, that I've seen. What I CAN tell, is that you're at least seeming to try to keep things reasonable, and have a discussion, not crying about stuff.
In response to your last post though, I could agree with that. But the Feds (and even the Rihan), in the areas THEY are weak in, should be able to have more variety as well.
Example: Carriers. KDF, as far as I know, the Vo'Quv is a free ship. The Caitian Atrox is a pay ship. (And I don't think the Rihan get a faction specific carrier as of yet). ANd the two I listed are the only two main carriers (aside from fleet & mirror versions, as applicable) ie, having 2 hangar slots, that I know of in common use. But I believe there is another 1-2 KDF full carriers in this game. Granted, those I believe are also pay ships as well. But where is the equity in that. A Fed wants a full carrier, he has to pay for it. A KDF wants one, he can either pay for it, or choose the Vo'Quv as his free ship at the appropriate level. But yet, the KDF wants more sci ships. Well, hell, they got one already, they're not happy with that? That's the EXACT situation the Feds are in with carriers. (And again, that's not even counting the Rihan). And I'm not going to count "half/flight-deck cruisers/escort carriers) as they're on more of an equal footing, I believe in numbers & availability.
But using the example above, I don't ever hear of Fed-primes saying Klin shouldn't get more sci ships. Hell, I think quite a few support it. Yet, anytime the subject of Feds getting more carriers comes up, just about every KDF-prime pulls out all the stops, on saying why the Feds shouldn't get any more, and some of them say they shouldn't have even gotten the Atrox either, and one of the biggest cries is "Uniqueness". Well, in this respect, I think uniqueness would still be preserved, between Fed and KDF, even if Feds get more true carrier options. KDF still have quite a few ships with cloak/battle-cloak, BoP's, (til recently) battlecruisers (and even with the Advent of the Avenger, which so far, from what I've seen, I'm not impressed with, and it's far down on my list of things to get), and this new "raider" bonus about to be applied (which I personally think is bs, but for game mechanic reasons, as it's hard to realistically get "bonus" damage for backstabbing a ship. That would be in the case of either shields down/weak shields a la Grissom getting blown away by an over-eager gunner on Kruge's BoP in ST III, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms). Also, currently, Klin have a much wider array of ways to gather dilithium, at least twice as many as the Feds. (and that's not even counting the carrier using slaver pets trick).
So in summation, as long as the KDF is willing to give up a little uniqueness (a la types of ships THEY have), to gain more variety of ships the Feds have (possibly their one & only unique point, prolific variety of ships, and having a goodly number of sci ships), then I could get behind this 100%. If they're not, then I say the KDF deserve few ships, and no more sci ships, period. If they want something, they should be prepared for the other factions to get something, that has been one of their unique points to date.
As far as bugs, I'm in-between on THAT one. Hell, I don't even know if Cryptic HAS the ability anymore, to fix some of those things. I mean, they SHOULD, but SHOULD doesn't always = DOES.:eek:
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I forgot, on the sci ship, the KDF technically has another one, the Mirror Vo'Quv. It's slow, but it's got a hell of a lot of sci slots on the thing, hell, one of the things my KDF alien excels at, with this, is crowd control, AND tanking. Sure, frozen molasses going uphill goes faster than this thing, but you can pound on her all day long, and it's just not going to go down, and can do multiple holds on you, on top of that. Granted, it's not free (technically a lockbox ship), and it is one of the most expensive Mirror ships on the exchange last I checked, but it is a reasonably priced option for a KDF wanting a sci ship, so they have 2 (3 if you count Fleet Vo'Quv).
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Well to be fair , two years between ships is a bit harsh ...
I imagine the outcry on the federation side of things would be exactly the same if the situation was reversed
No need to imagine. We saw that very behavior during the "drought" of content a year or so back.
Funny, over the years Ive seen many of fed posts saying we shouldnt get any Science ships at all based simply on the bias that we Klingons have no intellect for science in general.
Funny, over the years Ive seen many of fed posts saying we shouldnt get any Science ships at all based simply on the bias that we Klingons have no intellect for science in general.
Eh, that COULD be said, but it's a little too far off the track, and based on the books I've read (which are at best "soft" canon), while the Klin don't prize scientific knowledge anywhere near as much as martial prowess, technicians engineers, and the other "techie-types" CAN gain very high positions within the Klin world. They just have to fight harder to get it.
But as far as "True" Klin sci ships, yeah, that I would argue against, as it's pretty rare for them to use stuff, that's "sci skills" in this game, even in the books. But an allied part of the KDF, wouldn't necessarily be hit by that restrictions. Granted, Gorn shouldn't be the source of a sci ship, hell, their philosophy is "If it's not working, hit it with a hammer. If it still doesn't work, get a bigger hammer. If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway." Hardly a society that prizes scientific knowledge very highly. Nauusicaans, not sure about, know next to nothing about them, so can't say one way or the other. Orions now, they prize anything and everything. So THEY would be a good source, to provide the KDF with a new sci ship. Also, you could also say, Klin culture has moved forward a little, and since their war with the Feds have pretty much stalemated (something they barely will admit even in private, they want to boast they're winning), but they have seen the effectiveness of sci ships in combat, and wish to gain that capability for themselves.
My arguments against STO KDF gaining more sci ships, are purly what I have stated in my previous post.
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Another funny one. In the day of Kirk, Gorn where far scientificaly superior to Star Fleet. There is no reason to think they have backslid over the centuries.
Your fed bias is showing through like a green lit beacon when you talk of other races in STO not affiliated to the humans.
Another funny one. In the day of Kirk, Gorn where far scientificaly superior to Star Fleet. There is no reason to think they have backslid over the centuries.
Your fed bias is showing through like a green lit beacon when you talk of other races in STO not affiliated to the humans.
How were they scientifically superior? The one show I saw them in (TOS, btw), and every book I have read, as well as FASA's old RPG, all agreed that the Gorn were not scientifically minded, or that they prized it very much. Sure, some exceptional individuals existed, tis true, but as a race, they weren't. They prized military prowess (although defined slightly differently than how the Klin do so), much much more.
As far as accusing me of "specie-ism", that's just like playing the race card in real life. A bunch of bull.
Oh, and to reply to your accusations of trolling...hmmm, many's the thread where I've seen you degerate into active trolling, and you JUST done so here (actually, probably did so a while back), but hey, what do you expect with the call sign you've chosen. I've at least supplied my position, based upon what I have watched (of the shows & movies), and what I have read (of the novels, and an RPG game, that was licensed to be the Star Trek RPG for it's time)
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Memory Alpha actually is quite clear that the Gorn where technologicaly on par with the Humans up until the 23rd century and even surpassed them in certain areas like shield technology and even the speed of their ships.
Your views of Gorn and even Klingons are very biased and short sighted. I have no doubts the Gorn fans who have more knowledge than us would have no issue proving you wrong.
As for the Klingons, Ive read the novels and the FASA books plus other media and while violent and brusque they are hardly lacking in the sciences or engineering fields.
As Kirk himself once said, " Barbarians do not have Star Empires"
So your angry tirade against the KDF in STo, while amusing to watch a fan fall to emotions, is notngoing to change my mind ormcause me to lose one bit of happiness over our recent attention from the Devs.
But please feel free to keep trolling. Its entertaining. Some of us are even making it into drinking game
Im always wondering if a Antiproton build using 4 FLEET DHCs, A CritH-CritD Torp, (1) KCB, (1) OD AP beam array and a rear Torp might work as well with a Tac Boff setup as so;
Ens- TT1
LTC- BO1 CRF1 TS3
Use the sam AtB setup and add the Voth +13.1% AP damage console. The BO1 becomes useful as the only Beam Array that can use it should be the Voth OD AP array. Making a no brainer.
Thoughts?
The Obelisk set is pretty nice, it beats out the buff a [AMP] core gives out at 3x 75+ power that it out DPSes it enough with 3x AP cannons and at least 1 AP turret to cover both a torp and the KCB not being buffed and come out ahead, so that's an excellent set. Though, it's narrow enough of a gap that if you could probably get ahead of it with [AMP] and another buffing set, like Romulan weapon/console set (Plasma), Jem'Hadar Mk XII(Polaron) or Elachi Lobi set(Disruptor).
The [Arc] AP Beam Array is compatible with BO, but I'm not sure how much spike you could get out of it. I suppose not wasting a slot and getting even a little more DPS out is worthwhile.
The Obelisk set is pretty nice, it beats out the buff a [AMP] core gives out at 3x 75+ power that it out DPSes it enough with 3x AP cannons and at least 1 AP turret to cover both a torp and the KCB not being buffed and come out ahead, so that's an excellent set. Though, it's narrow enough of a gap that if you could probably get ahead of it with [AMP] and another buffing set, like Romulan weapon/console set (Plasma), Jem'Hadar Mk XII(Polaron) or Elachi Lobi set(Disruptor).
The [Arc] AP Beam Array is compatible with BO, but I'm not sure how much spike you could get out of it. I suppose not wasting a slot and getting even a little more DPS out is worthwhile.
Two TT on a AtB build seemed silly but BO1 seemed easy since it will work on the OD AP array but not the KCB. Trying to maximize effeciency but those Ensign Tac choices can be tough.
Pretty much the only thing the feds have that's unique is the science ships so...
I wouldn't say that that's so anymore. While the Feds still have more to choose from, there are true KDF sci ships and quite a few hybrids that are science heavy.
We've got the Fleet Voq and soon the Kar'fi as Sci-heavy carriers, the Corsair and Kamarag as Sci-heavy (flight-deck) cruisers, 3 great Sci ships from the lockbox (Palisade, Weaver and Korath) and of course the Fleet Varanus.
The latter fulfills pretty much the role of the "traditional" Sci ships on Fed side, allowing for the same (or very similar) builds and performance as the DSSV, RSV or LRSV. Yet you don't see anyone flying it.
So the only thing really missing in the Sci department, would probably be a version of the Vesta...
I wouldn't say that that's so anymore. While the Feds still have more to choose from, there are true KDF sci ships and quite a few hybrids that are science heavy.
We've got the Fleet Voq and soon the Kar'fi as Sci-heavy carriers, the Corsair and Kamarag as Sci-heavy (flight-deck) cruisers, 3 great Sci ships from the lockbox (Palisade, Weaver and Korath) and of course the Fleet Varanus.
The latter fulfills pretty much the role of the "traditional" Sci ships on Fed side, allowing for the same (or very similar) builds and performance as the DSSV, RSV or LRSV. Yet you don't see anyone flying it.
So the only thing really missing in the Sci department, would probably be a version of the Vesta...
Roms are getting Vesta first with aux plasma cannons and battle cloak. Read it and weep.
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Thats 99% of fed posts. They want everything and demand they get it. Even when they do get it (carriers) they complain about it(atrox). They want raiders, they want orions, they want cloaks, they want(and got) all the KDF consoles worth having.
Feds still manage to cry and complain when given almost all the devs time and attention. We have two year gaps in between new ships, and pretty much the same uniform options we had at launch. Meanwhile gluttonous fed players get constant streams of new content and not only cry for more but demand what scrap everyone else has.
Aren't Battlecloaks usually reserved for Bop sized ships? I think the Vet ship got one because its a one off special ship . I'd be very surprised if this gets a battlecloak when no other battlecruiser does
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
And yet the massive rom ships have them, much larger than a bortas, even.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
I, on my own, and for those FEW KDFers that act reasonably mature, I would've liked to see more stuff done for the KDF side of the house. (And yeah, the point about Tovan's been beaten to death already, lol, for the Rihan).
But it seems like, most of the time, when something's done for the KDF, a lot of people that are Fed-prime, are saying, "Hey, that's cool. Might give me incentive to go play over there, or make a KDF character up.", Or even just, "Hey, that's cool". But every time the Feds get something, just about every KDF-prime is screaming "UNFAIR". I just get sick of it. Hell, I could care less whether that new ship, item, or whatever the heck comes out, is Rihan, Fed, KDF, or shared. It's something new to look at at, and see if I want to utilize it. If it's content, it may be something I'd be interested in playing through.
Just seems like most of the KDF want want want, and don't care about anyone else.
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Alot of your post, ties into another post I made, a few days ago. IE KDF gives up a console to share, and it's cried about. Fed's share a console, KDF are like, "Eh it's not even worth using". So tell me, who got screwed if the KDF has such superior equipment to begin with?
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
To be perfectly fair , its not completely accurate saying just one side or another is all WANT WANT WANT. There are players on all three factions like that
There are as many threads made by KDF players wanting new ships as their are threads made by fed players wanting battle cloaks or full carriers.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
I don't have a problem, with people publishing their wishlists. I DO have a problem with people going "TRIBBLE the x side, we deserve everything.", and especially if x side gives something up to be shared, the y side saying "Oh, it's sucks anyway, we didn't want that., it's a POS." And then in the same breath saying "We're so ignored. We never get anything". I mean, come one, if the other side's stuff sucks that bad, that doesn't seem to me, like you were so ignored, maybe it means you had better equipment to begin with, and thus, the other side needs more of other stuff, to compensate.
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
I imagine the outcry on the federation side of things would be exactly the same if the situation was reversed
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Well, if we had "unique" stuff, that was extremely powerful, I wouldn't. I might WISH there were more stuff, coming out more often, but I wouldn't be unhappy, or actively mad, if it didn't Sheesh. And if a faction shares a piece of equipment, I might be PERSONALLY like, it sucks, but publicly I'd be like, "Eh, I just don't plan on using it. I wouldn't be screaming "Oh that's not fair", over & over.
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
It is my personal opinion that the KDF ( and by extension Romulan ) fleets should have just as much diversity in ships as the Federation currently does, not everyone may agree , but that's the great thing about opinions , you don't have to.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Pretty sure KDF got screwed because Feds got what little we had on top of everything else. I would expect Klingons to have better battle consoles because that is what the faction is about. You've kept your much better science edge but took our combat edge(battle cruisers, carriers, combat consoles).
Your post proves my point. Even with all the dev attention Feds get they still cried for the few things that the kdf had. It's like a rich guy robbing a poor man.
It is a reference to letting trolls out of the dungeons to rant in this thread. I should think in this gaming community that reference would be obvious to the most casual observer given the Fed whiner fan boy nature of your self entitlement post.
This thread is about encouraging those who play KDF to support buying a ship in hope that making this one profitable. The Bortasqu was a failed venture and some devs have stated the reason more isn't done for KDF is lack of sales. You then come in with a rant against KDF parity when you could have just kept your bias to yourself.
This thread was positive until your post. Your post is just as self entitled as what you over broadly paint the KDF community as when each and every one of us regardless of preferred faction should be standing up for parity for everyone's gaming experience.
I do not say this to offend you, but A little humility and charity on you part would be helpful.
Clear enough now?
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
Expatriot Might Characters in EXILE
I don't know if you're faction-neutral, or have a faction specific bias. Can't tell from the flavour of the posts you're making, that I've seen. What I CAN tell, is that you're at least seeming to try to keep things reasonable, and have a discussion, not crying about stuff.
In response to your last post though, I could agree with that. But the Feds (and even the Rihan), in the areas THEY are weak in, should be able to have more variety as well.
Example: Carriers. KDF, as far as I know, the Vo'Quv is a free ship. The Caitian Atrox is a pay ship. (And I don't think the Rihan get a faction specific carrier as of yet). ANd the two I listed are the only two main carriers (aside from fleet & mirror versions, as applicable) ie, having 2 hangar slots, that I know of in common use. But I believe there is another 1-2 KDF full carriers in this game. Granted, those I believe are also pay ships as well. But where is the equity in that. A Fed wants a full carrier, he has to pay for it. A KDF wants one, he can either pay for it, or choose the Vo'Quv as his free ship at the appropriate level. But yet, the KDF wants more sci ships. Well, hell, they got one already, they're not happy with that? That's the EXACT situation the Feds are in with carriers. (And again, that's not even counting the Rihan). And I'm not going to count "half/flight-deck cruisers/escort carriers) as they're on more of an equal footing, I believe in numbers & availability.
But using the example above, I don't ever hear of Fed-primes saying Klin shouldn't get more sci ships. Hell, I think quite a few support it. Yet, anytime the subject of Feds getting more carriers comes up, just about every KDF-prime pulls out all the stops, on saying why the Feds shouldn't get any more, and some of them say they shouldn't have even gotten the Atrox either, and one of the biggest cries is "Uniqueness". Well, in this respect, I think uniqueness would still be preserved, between Fed and KDF, even if Feds get more true carrier options. KDF still have quite a few ships with cloak/battle-cloak, BoP's, (til recently) battlecruisers (and even with the Advent of the Avenger, which so far, from what I've seen, I'm not impressed with, and it's far down on my list of things to get), and this new "raider" bonus about to be applied (which I personally think is bs, but for game mechanic reasons, as it's hard to realistically get "bonus" damage for backstabbing a ship. That would be in the case of either shields down/weak shields a la Grissom getting blown away by an over-eager gunner on Kruge's BoP in ST III, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms). Also, currently, Klin have a much wider array of ways to gather dilithium, at least twice as many as the Feds. (and that's not even counting the carrier using slaver pets trick).
So in summation, as long as the KDF is willing to give up a little uniqueness (a la types of ships THEY have), to gain more variety of ships the Feds have (possibly their one & only unique point, prolific variety of ships, and having a goodly number of sci ships), then I could get behind this 100%. If they're not, then I say the KDF deserve few ships, and no more sci ships, period. If they want something, they should be prepared for the other factions to get something, that has been one of their unique points to date.
As far as bugs, I'm in-between on THAT one. Hell, I don't even know if Cryptic HAS the ability anymore, to fix some of those things. I mean, they SHOULD, but SHOULD doesn't always = DOES.:eek:
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I forgot, on the sci ship, the KDF technically has another one, the Mirror Vo'Quv. It's slow, but it's got a hell of a lot of sci slots on the thing, hell, one of the things my KDF alien excels at, with this, is crowd control, AND tanking. Sure, frozen molasses going uphill goes faster than this thing, but you can pound on her all day long, and it's just not going to go down, and can do multiple holds on you, on top of that. Granted, it's not free (technically a lockbox ship), and it is one of the most expensive Mirror ships on the exchange last I checked, but it is a reasonably priced option for a KDF wanting a sci ship, so they have 2 (3 if you count Fleet Vo'Quv).
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Temperance Brennan, "A building"
No need to imagine. We saw that very behavior during the "drought" of content a year or so back.
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I cant wait for the weekend to buy this beast.
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Eh, that COULD be said, but it's a little too far off the track, and based on the books I've read (which are at best "soft" canon), while the Klin don't prize scientific knowledge anywhere near as much as martial prowess, technicians engineers, and the other "techie-types" CAN gain very high positions within the Klin world. They just have to fight harder to get it.
But as far as "True" Klin sci ships, yeah, that I would argue against, as it's pretty rare for them to use stuff, that's "sci skills" in this game, even in the books. But an allied part of the KDF, wouldn't necessarily be hit by that restrictions. Granted, Gorn shouldn't be the source of a sci ship, hell, their philosophy is "If it's not working, hit it with a hammer. If it still doesn't work, get a bigger hammer. If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway." Hardly a society that prizes scientific knowledge very highly. Nauusicaans, not sure about, know next to nothing about them, so can't say one way or the other. Orions now, they prize anything and everything. So THEY would be a good source, to provide the KDF with a new sci ship. Also, you could also say, Klin culture has moved forward a little, and since their war with the Feds have pretty much stalemated (something they barely will admit even in private, they want to boast they're winning), but they have seen the effectiveness of sci ships in combat, and wish to gain that capability for themselves.
My arguments against STO KDF gaining more sci ships, are purly what I have stated in my previous post.
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Your fed bias is showing through like a green lit beacon when you talk of other races in STO not affiliated to the humans.
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We get a new ship this week!
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How were they scientifically superior? The one show I saw them in (TOS, btw), and every book I have read, as well as FASA's old RPG, all agreed that the Gorn were not scientifically minded, or that they prized it very much. Sure, some exceptional individuals existed, tis true, but as a race, they weren't. They prized military prowess (although defined slightly differently than how the Klin do so), much much more.
As far as accusing me of "specie-ism", that's just like playing the race card in real life. A bunch of bull.
Oh, and to reply to your accusations of trolling...hmmm, many's the thread where I've seen you degerate into active trolling, and you JUST done so here (actually, probably did so a while back), but hey, what do you expect with the call sign you've chosen. I've at least supplied my position, based upon what I have watched (of the shows & movies), and what I have read (of the novels, and an RPG game, that was licensed to be the Star Trek RPG for it's time)
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Your views of Gorn and even Klingons are very biased and short sighted. I have no doubts the Gorn fans who have more knowledge than us would have no issue proving you wrong.
As for the Klingons, Ive read the novels and the FASA books plus other media and while violent and brusque they are hardly lacking in the sciences or engineering fields.
As Kirk himself once said, " Barbarians do not have Star Empires"
So your angry tirade against the KDF in STo, while amusing to watch a fan fall to emotions, is notngoing to change my mind ormcause me to lose one bit of happiness over our recent attention from the Devs.
But please feel free to keep trolling. Its entertaining. Some of us are even making it into drinking game
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The Obelisk set is pretty nice, it beats out the buff a [AMP] core gives out at 3x 75+ power that it out DPSes it enough with 3x AP cannons and at least 1 AP turret to cover both a torp and the KCB not being buffed and come out ahead, so that's an excellent set. Though, it's narrow enough of a gap that if you could probably get ahead of it with [AMP] and another buffing set, like Romulan weapon/console set (Plasma), Jem'Hadar Mk XII(Polaron) or Elachi Lobi set(Disruptor).
The [Arc] AP Beam Array is compatible with BO, but I'm not sure how much spike you could get out of it. I suppose not wasting a slot and getting even a little more DPS out is worthwhile.
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Is it Thursday yet???
plus a Cstore Albino Boff that comes with Aux to SIF3.......
KDF and Roms cant buy one of those.
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Two TT on a AtB build seemed silly but BO1 seemed easy since it will work on the OD AP array but not the KCB. Trying to maximize effeciency but those Ensign Tac choices can be tough.
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I wouldn't say that that's so anymore. While the Feds still have more to choose from, there are true KDF sci ships and quite a few hybrids that are science heavy.
We've got the Fleet Voq and soon the Kar'fi as Sci-heavy carriers, the Corsair and Kamarag as Sci-heavy (flight-deck) cruisers, 3 great Sci ships from the lockbox (Palisade, Weaver and Korath) and of course the Fleet Varanus.
The latter fulfills pretty much the role of the "traditional" Sci ships on Fed side, allowing for the same (or very similar) builds and performance as the DSSV, RSV or LRSV. Yet you don't see anyone flying it.
So the only thing really missing in the Sci department, would probably be a version of the Vesta...
Roms are getting Vesta first with aux plasma cannons and battle cloak. Read it and weep.
- Judge Aaron Satie