Looks much better than the abhorrent Avenger class. Cryptics ship designers should really stop making Starfleet ships and make more KDF ships.
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Oh, we're allowed to talk about it now?
There were like 20 threads that were deleted about this >_>
The model is/was up on Tribble in the Fleet Store.
Go have a look at it if you can.
My opinion? The ship model is half arsed.
Its like they took the Peghqu' model, made it more "angular" (aka lower poly count) and are now passing it off like its a unique ship.
I get ships are meant to have a common design, but did you have to choose the Peghqu'? Its so ugly as it is
To be honest I thought the same about the Avenger, it just looks like a low poly Intrepid to me
One thing I do like though is the head on the Mogh, with the "cut-out arrow head" design, it looks badass. Also the new skin looks to be pretty awesome, I hope they go back and add it to the Bortasqu' *HINT HINT CRYPTIC*
Anyway I'll give it a pass and buy it this time, but next time please can we have less angular and more stylized ships? I know it takes more work but its worth it for the playerbase.
I'll probably pick it up though not sure which char will fly it.
Got a Fleet Kamaragh for a tanker build and there's only so many battlecruisers I want to fly concurrently.
But perhaps this is the right ship to finally retire my (non-fleet) Qin Raptor.
This is kind of disappointing.
I will probably buy it simply to support the KDF but I realy can?t see any good justification for using it (mainly because I don?t do aux to bat builds).
It would also be nice if cryptik would hire some writers to give some decent fluff instead of the same cheap junk description for the ships existance wherin the KDF always reacts to the Federation. It?s as if the KDF can only justify itself threw the existance of starfleet, it?s as backwards as women defining themselves threw men instead of threw themselves
I realy do hope I get to find a way to make a torp spread III to the face + cannon build that I can be happy with on that ship while not using Aux to bat (so probably got to use the uni for a tac boff....)
I might do - It sure looks badass - but unless it's console is pretty special i probably wont, as it'l feel to much like i'm just buying another Avenger..
The first screen shot is up and I hear it will be a copy and paste of the Avenger layout - which is good news because it is an awesome ship.
It's a copy-paste of a FED ship that was pressumably based on KDF battlecruisers to begin with. KDF stealing the tech from the FEDs (i.e. Cryptic just copy-pasting the stats) feels lazy to me.
It's sad, really. Some time ago it was the FEDs that were begging for KDF ship classes on their side. Now, after a long long wait, the KDF is finally getting their new ship that's nothing but a copy of something many players already own as a FED...
So what's the point? I don't play several chars to use almost the exact same ship on each of them and pay double for it because the factions are different... I'd rather have a brand new KDF ship that's unique on its own in some way. Not necessarily a Battlecruiser.
Not to mention, the Mogh is ugly. It's a TRIBBLE child of a Negh'var and Peghqu with tons of pointless additions tacked all around its hull (like most post-cpt.Logan designs, sadly). And I bet the customisation options will be non-existant, in contrast with something like a Fleet Vor'cha.
So no, I won't be spending any money just to show Cryptic there are still some KDF players out there. Or rather, I won't be spending any money on such a lazy ship release I already own as a Fed. Cryptic should work harder to promote the KDF so that more players would be eager to play it in the first place. And the way I see it, especially when listening to all the interviews with Geko, it's not gonna happen. They just don't care, and the amount of KDF-only bugs that remain unfixed to this day just shows this.
it will be nice to take my klingons out of lock box ships and put them into a klingon ship again
just seems wrong to fly the lockbox ships and call my characters klingons
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Can it use the Negh'Var skin? or does it use an entirely unique costume?
Nobody knows yet for sure.
But I find it noteworthy that the description compares it to the Negh'var, so perhaps this is to the Negh'var what the Regent is to the Sovereign.
But it's all speculation ATM.
Nobody knows yet for sure.
But I find it noteworthy that the description compares it to the Negh'var, so perhaps this is to the Negh'var what the Regent is to the Sovereign.
But it's all speculation ATM.
If I can customize it to look like a Neg'vhar than I would buy it. Otherwise, no way I am buying something so ugly.
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Nobody knows yet for sure.
But I find it noteworthy that the description compares it to the Negh'var, so perhaps this is to the Negh'var what the Regent is to the Sovereign.
But it's all speculation ATM.
Would be nice if it was.
Would also be nice if they did a complete rework on the default negh model which is waaay overdue for a revamp.
Nobody knows yet for sure.
But I find it noteworthy that the description compares it to the Negh'var, so perhaps this is to the Negh'var what the Regent is to the Sovereign.
But it's all speculation ATM.
The description is basically to explain that the Negh'vars role will stay the same as always. What it is trying to convey to the player/customer is that Negh'var has been the main choice of many warriors for a heavy battle cruiser but with the avenger they needed to match/out match the federation so they are releasing the mogh. From the info it had in shipyard it didnt tell what comes with the c-store version but the fleet version info says its basically an avenger with the advantage of not needing a console for cloaking.
Pretty much I would predict anyone who primarily plays KDF will be getting this ship although we have no idea where Cryptic wants to hold this ship as far as how many are sold/how much money is made off them. Pretty much though its hard to not want this ship unless the bortasqu' incident happens where people troll the ship and get it to almost useless as far as how KDF style setups go. Although when it does come out it would be nice for them to give some insight on the metrics to see if its a "didn't even break even", did okay, well we won't be making another for a couple more years, or there is enough interest to expect newer ships to be pushed out.
As far as what was said about lore coming in a dev blog about what its called the mogh class it has me interested in how and why its going that way from the current lore. There are just a few things that have me confused after you take in the lore about how Ja'rod was raised, who raised him, who they were both allied to, the out come of the house that raised ja'rod. On top of that J'mpok had banished worf from the great hall but he made the step daughter of worf basically the general in command of the empires flagship (wtf confusion hit me) then worf is ambassador for the KDF to new romulus, and now the newest and most devastating warship is named after a blood enemy of the house of duras which in turn the house of torg and house of j'mpok. So either I am not getting something or either they got one heck of a story to tell to fill in these missing pieces.
Many KDF like to believ that the feds reacted to the avenger the same way they reacted to the bortasqu which is a falicy. Fewer feds had trouble learning to fly the avenger than KDF had learning to fly the bortasqu. This is likely because the feds already had such diversity that many cruiser AND escort captains have flown cruisers AND escorts so they're able to find more of a balance in the avenger. The klinks had only carriers that turned as slow as fed cruisers so when the bortasqu came out pretty much only carrier KDF captains would have understood how to work a Real cruiser. This is possibly the main reason why the bortasqu failed.
Unlike many on the KDF I haven't been looking for a new ship, I'm actually pretty happy with my fleet Corsair especially when I finish putting the Protonic Aresonal and Dyson Space Technology sets on it.
I honestly don't know if I'll get this ship or not. I'm not set up for Battle Cruisers, I'm set up for O.S.S Flight Deck Cruisers, it'd be a lot of work to set up the Mogh Battle Cruiser.
Hoewever what worries me is the fact in terms of layour and such its a fairly lazy copy/paste job and that all buying it will do is to confirm to cryptic that yes, the kdf has the financial clout to make new ships viable but is so starved it is quite happy to pay full price for another factions hand-me-downs
The fact for me is the kdf is basically being shanghied into buying this ship for the fact many posters have tried to drill home - if we don't buy it, we will get zero attention once more..and that worries me as its a dangerous precedent where we potentially could be forced in effect to buy any ship tossed our way - no matter the quality- for fear of losing the light shined upon the faction at the moment
The fact the kdf is being held over a barrel seriously worries me
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I will be buying one but I will still be disenchanted.
I agree, i will be buying this ship either way even though the Mogh class is a copy of the Avenger, which the Avenger itself is a copy of this same undone Mogh class Battle Cruiser that Cryptic which kept bragging about to the KDF fanbase for years and over a year to make then putting this same ship on the selves until after the Avenger came out so the Feds can brag about whom got what first.
However what worries me is the fact in terms of layour and such its a fairly lazy copy/paste job and that all buying it will do is to confirm to cryptic that yes, the kdf has the financial clout to make new ships viable but is so starved it is quite happy to pay full price for another factions hand-me-downs
The fact for me is the kdf is basically being shanghied into buying this ship for the fact many posters have tried to drill home - if we don't buy it, we will get zero attention once more..and that worries me as its a dangerous precedent where we potentially could be forced in effect to buy any ship tossed our way - no matter the quality- for fear of losing the light shined upon the faction at the moment
The fact the kdf is being held over a barrel seriously worries me
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I totally understand your reasoning here, and I agree with it. I don't want this to be the new trend of 'Fed or Rom get a ship, KDF gets a copy/paste', it isn't a good thing to have.
It won't make Fed or Roms happy because it'd be seen as 'Whatever ship we get next is just gonna be immediately ported over to the Klingon side', and they'd just get tired of any new shinies being instantly given away. On the other side of the coin, Klingons would get sick of this constant 'hand me down' formula, and basically the 'threat' of sorts the devs would indirectly be giving off pretty much says, 'If you don't keep buying all these hand-me-down ships, you won't be getting ANY ships'.
It's not a good trend to have for any side of the game. It also would feel very lazy if they always just made a ship, then copied it to the other factions. It's not just a Klingon faction problem if they do that more than this once, it's the entire game facing an issue like that. NOBODY would be happy at that point if all they started doing was that.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Hmm, I'm not buying this new ship. I rather cryptic just upgrade the Bortasqu. A real shame the ship that looks just like a battle cruiser isn't a battle cruiser. My wallet is too scared to open after I purchased that Bortasqu pack. Still in shock after that horror.
If they add a hammer head hull to this new ship I might buy it. I'm all for new KDF ships, but they should upgrade a few existing ones too. It's like Cryptic is scared to do anything 'very awesome' for KDF, but this is a step in the right direction. Thanks Cryptic.
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I've got a fresh new gorn tac, and i originally planned it to go for the Negh'Var.
The appearance of the Mogh on the scene totally changes my plans.
I might aswell buy it, but my fear is that once the Mogh is officially introduced some Fed avenger kids will spam to death the Fed shipyard forum section with "Mogh OP, please nerf"...
I'm definitely going to get the new KDF Battlecruiser, my KDF toons eagerly await the ship appearing in the C-store.
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Many KDF like to believ that the feds reacted to the avenger the same way they reacted to the bortasqu which is a falicy. Fewer feds had trouble learning to fly the avenger than KDF had learning to fly the bortasqu. This is likely because the feds already had such diversity that many cruiser AND escort captains have flown cruisers AND escorts so they're able to find more of a balance in the avenger. The klinks had only carriers that turned as slow as fed cruisers so when the bortasqu came out pretty much only carrier KDF captains would have understood how to work a Real cruiser. This is possibly the main reason why the bortasqu failed.
There is nothing to "learn" for the Avenger. Most people fly the Avenger exactly in the same way as their Regent/FAC. 100% identical boff layout possible. Just move one beam from stern to bow: done ! As long as bfaw spam is the most efficient pve setup, this won't change.
I can't speak for other people, but I don't want to fly a fed style cruiser when I log my KDF captains. For fed style cruisers I've got my fed captains.
That's my issue with this ship, it is no upgrade of my Tor'kaht, it is a copy of my fed ship.
I really hope what we have seen is just a work in progress, and the ship we will eventually get follows KDF traditions.
On the other hand I would be happy to see this thing as Negh'var upgrade if there will be a 5/3 Tor'kaht not too far in the future, too.
I'm not particularly keen on the excessively long nacelles, but I suspect the heavily reinforced 'destroyer' look will grow on me over time.
My KDF Engineer is pretty happy in his Neghvar at the moment, so I'm not sure if I will actually fly it. However, the Mogh will, without a doubt, be my next purchase.
I bought ships i hated at first sight and i liked the design of this one so i'll get it for sure some day... Its only 4 fsms so 28mil so not that much. It reminds me of the vet ship somewhat.
I bought ships i hated at first sight and i liked the design of this one so i'll get it for sure some day... Its only 4 fsms so 28mil so not that much. It reminds me of the vet ship somewhat.
Yeah every time they used a Klingon ship in each series it was very rare but when they did there weren't too many kinds so any new look has to take inspirations anywhere you can get it.
I hope a) You can use the Neg'var skin on it and b)it's better than the BortasQ (i still DEEPLY regret the purchase of that worthless piece of junk)
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Looks much better than the abhorrent Avenger class. Cryptics ship designers should really stop making Starfleet ships and make more KDF ships.
There were like 20 threads that were deleted about this >_>
The model is/was up on Tribble in the Fleet Store.
Go have a look at it if you can.
My opinion? The ship model is half arsed.
Its like they took the Peghqu' model, made it more "angular" (aka lower poly count) and are now passing it off like its a unique ship.
I get ships are meant to have a common design, but did you have to choose the Peghqu'? Its so ugly as it is
To be honest I thought the same about the Avenger, it just looks like a low poly Intrepid to me
One thing I do like though is the head on the Mogh, with the "cut-out arrow head" design, it looks badass. Also the new skin looks to be pretty awesome, I hope they go back and add it to the Bortasqu' *HINT HINT CRYPTIC*
Anyway I'll give it a pass and buy it this time, but next time please can we have less angular and more stylized ships? I know it takes more work but its worth it for the playerbase.
Got a Fleet Kamaragh for a tanker build and there's only so many battlecruisers I want to fly concurrently.
But perhaps this is the right ship to finally retire my (non-fleet) Qin Raptor.
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This is kind of disappointing.
I will probably buy it simply to support the KDF but I realy can?t see any good justification for using it (mainly because I don?t do aux to bat builds).
It would also be nice if cryptik would hire some writers to give some decent fluff instead of the same cheap junk description for the ships existance wherin the KDF always reacts to the Federation. It?s as if the KDF can only justify itself threw the existance of starfleet, it?s as backwards as women defining themselves threw men instead of threw themselves
I realy do hope I get to find a way to make a torp spread III to the face + cannon build that I can be happy with on that ship while not using Aux to bat (so probably got to use the uni for a tac boff....)
I enjoyed "looks like a TRIBBLE" xD
It's sad, really. Some time ago it was the FEDs that were begging for KDF ship classes on their side. Now, after a long long wait, the KDF is finally getting their new ship that's nothing but a copy of something many players already own as a FED...
So what's the point? I don't play several chars to use almost the exact same ship on each of them and pay double for it because the factions are different... I'd rather have a brand new KDF ship that's unique on its own in some way. Not necessarily a Battlecruiser.
Not to mention, the Mogh is ugly. It's a TRIBBLE child of a Negh'var and Peghqu with tons of pointless additions tacked all around its hull (like most post-cpt.Logan designs, sadly). And I bet the customisation options will be non-existant, in contrast with something like a Fleet Vor'cha.
So no, I won't be spending any money just to show Cryptic there are still some KDF players out there. Or rather, I won't be spending any money on such a lazy ship release I already own as a Fed. Cryptic should work harder to promote the KDF so that more players would be eager to play it in the first place. And the way I see it, especially when listening to all the interviews with Geko, it's not gonna happen. They just don't care, and the amount of KDF-only bugs that remain unfixed to this day just shows this.
I don't expect another KDF ship to be released after Mogh anytime soon, regardless of the sales.
just seems wrong to fly the lockbox ships and call my characters klingons
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Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Nobody knows yet for sure.
But I find it noteworthy that the description compares it to the Negh'var, so perhaps this is to the Negh'var what the Regent is to the Sovereign.
But it's all speculation ATM.
If I can customize it to look like a Neg'vhar than I would buy it. Otherwise, no way I am buying something so ugly.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Would be nice if it was.
Would also be nice if they did a complete rework on the default negh model which is waaay overdue for a revamp.
The description is basically to explain that the Negh'vars role will stay the same as always. What it is trying to convey to the player/customer is that Negh'var has been the main choice of many warriors for a heavy battle cruiser but with the avenger they needed to match/out match the federation so they are releasing the mogh. From the info it had in shipyard it didnt tell what comes with the c-store version but the fleet version info says its basically an avenger with the advantage of not needing a console for cloaking.
Pretty much I would predict anyone who primarily plays KDF will be getting this ship although we have no idea where Cryptic wants to hold this ship as far as how many are sold/how much money is made off them. Pretty much though its hard to not want this ship unless the bortasqu' incident happens where people troll the ship and get it to almost useless as far as how KDF style setups go. Although when it does come out it would be nice for them to give some insight on the metrics to see if its a "didn't even break even", did okay, well we won't be making another for a couple more years, or there is enough interest to expect newer ships to be pushed out.
As far as what was said about lore coming in a dev blog about what its called the mogh class it has me interested in how and why its going that way from the current lore. There are just a few things that have me confused after you take in the lore about how Ja'rod was raised, who raised him, who they were both allied to, the out come of the house that raised ja'rod. On top of that J'mpok had banished worf from the great hall but he made the step daughter of worf basically the general in command of the empires flagship (wtf confusion hit me) then worf is ambassador for the KDF to new romulus, and now the newest and most devastating warship is named after a blood enemy of the house of duras which in turn the house of torg and house of j'mpok. So either I am not getting something or either they got one heck of a story to tell to fill in these missing pieces.
I honestly don't know if I'll get this ship or not. I'm not set up for Battle Cruisers, I'm set up for O.S.S Flight Deck Cruisers, it'd be a lot of work to set up the Mogh Battle Cruiser.
Hoewever what worries me is the fact in terms of layour and such its a fairly lazy copy/paste job and that all buying it will do is to confirm to cryptic that yes, the kdf has the financial clout to make new ships viable but is so starved it is quite happy to pay full price for another factions hand-me-downs
The fact for me is the kdf is basically being shanghied into buying this ship for the fact many posters have tried to drill home - if we don't buy it, we will get zero attention once more..and that worries me as its a dangerous precedent where we potentially could be forced in effect to buy any ship tossed our way - no matter the quality- for fear of losing the light shined upon the faction at the moment
The fact the kdf is being held over a barrel seriously worries me
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I agree, i will be buying this ship either way even though the Mogh class is a copy of the Avenger, which the Avenger itself is a copy of this same undone Mogh class Battle Cruiser that Cryptic which kept bragging about to the KDF fanbase for years and over a year to make then putting this same ship on the selves until after the Avenger came out so the Feds can brag about whom got what first.
I totally understand your reasoning here, and I agree with it. I don't want this to be the new trend of 'Fed or Rom get a ship, KDF gets a copy/paste', it isn't a good thing to have.
It won't make Fed or Roms happy because it'd be seen as 'Whatever ship we get next is just gonna be immediately ported over to the Klingon side', and they'd just get tired of any new shinies being instantly given away. On the other side of the coin, Klingons would get sick of this constant 'hand me down' formula, and basically the 'threat' of sorts the devs would indirectly be giving off pretty much says, 'If you don't keep buying all these hand-me-down ships, you won't be getting ANY ships'.
It's not a good trend to have for any side of the game. It also would feel very lazy if they always just made a ship, then copied it to the other factions. It's not just a Klingon faction problem if they do that more than this once, it's the entire game facing an issue like that. NOBODY would be happy at that point if all they started doing was that.
If they add a hammer head hull to this new ship I might buy it. I'm all for new KDF ships, but they should upgrade a few existing ones too. It's like Cryptic is scared to do anything 'very awesome' for KDF, but this is a step in the right direction. Thanks Cryptic.
The appearance of the Mogh on the scene totally changes my plans.
I might aswell buy it, but my fear is that once the Mogh is officially introduced some Fed avenger kids will spam to death the Fed shipyard forum section with "Mogh OP, please nerf"...
Avengers.. ASSEMBLE!!!!
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There is nothing to "learn" for the Avenger. Most people fly the Avenger exactly in the same way as their Regent/FAC. 100% identical boff layout possible. Just move one beam from stern to bow: done ! As long as bfaw spam is the most efficient pve setup, this won't change.
I can't speak for other people, but I don't want to fly a fed style cruiser when I log my KDF captains. For fed style cruisers I've got my fed captains.
That's my issue with this ship, it is no upgrade of my Tor'kaht, it is a copy of my fed ship.
I really hope what we have seen is just a work in progress, and the ship we will eventually get follows KDF traditions.
On the other hand I would be happy to see this thing as Negh'var upgrade if there will be a 5/3 Tor'kaht not too far in the future, too.
My KDF Engineer is pretty happy in his Neghvar at the moment, so I'm not sure if I will actually fly it. However, the Mogh will, without a doubt, be my next purchase.
Yeah every time they used a Klingon ship in each series it was very rare but when they did there weren't too many kinds so any new look has to take inspirations anywhere you can get it.
Sometimes I can feel the rage coming off of a purple Bort