Yeah--wow. You'd think some people thought those pictures on the screen were real people.
The reality--someone thought it would be cool to create a PVE environment where we flew into a giant ship and blew something up in there. Nevermind the incidentals (things that look like civilian stuff). I have to agree with that thought--it is cool to play. I'm still working on surviving at the end--only successfully survived on my first try--but now I keep getting lost on my way out. Needs bright red arrows or something on the ground pointing you along the correct path :P. Too many locked doors that look like you can fly through (until you get stuck on it).
If you want something closer to reality--there's always American Civil War reenacting .
It's essentially why I uncovered this guy for what he is - a troll. He's neglected to provide tangible evidence of a civilian presence and instead resorted to using detached examples. He's sticking to whatever sounds appealing, even though he has yet to provide evidence ofthe elements needed for the association to ever exist in the first place...
...ladies and gentlemen, a troll be abouts us, as any sane man would see reason and understand that the Voth were intentionally scripted to be bad guys and nothing more.
Is STO morphing into Star Wars. You can see where the influence of this STF came from. And I have to say very disappointed with the limited imagination of the DEV team but maybe I shouldn't be surprised !
The voth use phased shield technology but I have seen little if any evidence of this, they can overcome Starfleet shields with ease, yet to see any evidence of this. They can also BEAM AN ENTIRE SHIP INSIDE their own ships even with shields raised on both ships, yet to see any evidence of this.
I think most the devs read a preliminary report on the episode and took it from there I doubt many if any watched the actual episode that featured the voth and it was only ONE single episode (they must be busy bug hunting lol) if they did watch it I think they spent most the time prating about throwing popcorn at one another not taking a single note !
So they pulled on their commercialised youth and that's the limit of their imagination. Regurgitated crud for an A+ pretty much like the education system really !
It's a video game meant for escapist entertainment.
The mission plays like a Return of the Jedi Death Star run.
Pew Pew Boom
If you are incapable of playing the game without being triggered about real world events to such a degree that you need to call others who enjoy escapist entertainment, "monsters" and such, I suggest you not engage in (a) That mission or (b) the game in general
It's a collection of pixels on a screen.
Its a quick and fun little pew pew mission in a (let me stress this) GAME.
Escapist entertainment.
Sorry it's triggering to some people.
But your experience does not make others who enjoy some space ships flying around a military FORTRESS ship to DISABLE it's main power core "monsters" or whatever else they have been called.
I see a lot of mental gymnastics in this thread to justify genocide, and it's sickening.
This instance is disgusting and the people who defend it with such frivolous, narrow-minded reasons are a pox.
But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night, you psychopath.
Are you really so desperate to hide from your conscience?
But I guess I should expect no better from those who would willingly advocate mass murder.
We get it mourkoth, you're a lunatic war criminal who advocates the slaughter of millions of innocents for your own enjoyment. At this point I'm sure all the evidence I'm providing you is doing nothing but fueling your desire for murder, so I'm through playing your game. Go breathe heavily about digital mass murder somewhere else, I'm done providing your fapping material.
God Forbid you ever hold any power over men, you remorseless monster.
Yeah.
All that because some folks like playing some Science Fiction video game about blowing up space ships.
You really might want to take a break from the game for awhile.
Actually, a more correct transliteration is al-Qa'ida (pronounced al-ka-EE-da)
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
You're a very creepy fellow, you know that? The fact that you take a work of fiction to such an extreme is truly disturbing. I suggest you get some help and find a way to separate life from fantasy. You might live a little better.
As for the mission, it made me giggle to see ships that usually dwarf my Talvath, such as the Scimitar and Bortasqu, are themselves made to look like toys by this thing.
Formerly known as Echo@Rivyn13
Member since early 2011
Until I see evidence of civilian personnel rather than military assets, you're expressing nothing but opinion and documentations that associate only because you want them to. Documentation of other events is not documentation of the Voth.
Pointing out your denial of the facts isn't trolling. Accusing me of trolling for pointing that out might be though.
Alright then, what factual evidence do you have to present, that there is a civilian Voth presence? Remember, combat-engineers are military assets, not civilian...so you still owe some screenshots of labeled Voth civilian personnel, or labeled Voth civilian craft not participating in the war effort.
Alright then, what factual evidence do you have to present, that there is a civilian Voth presence? Remember, combat-engineers are military assets, not civilian...so you still owe some screenshots of labeled Voth civilian personnel, or labeled Voth civilian craft not participating in the war effort.
Alright then, what factual evidence do you have to present, that there is a civilian Voth presence? Remember, combat-engineers are military assets, not civilian...so you still owe some screenshots of labeled Voth civilian personnel, or labeled Voth civilian craft not participating in the war effort.
You know what mourkoth? I'm sorry. I'm sorry I called you a monster. Because now it is patently obvious you are some sort of robot who's sole purpose is to attempt to downplay any information presented by those of us attempting to put a stop to this. So it's unfair to accuse you of denial - you appear to be only a tool.
I think its cute that you are all so squemish about killing off Pixels upon Pixels of NOT REAL CIVILIANS.
I hope that if we are ever actually attacked by a massive force someone like you aren't in charge.
OH NOES they have civilians on board that MASSIVE BATTLESTATION, we can't fire on it, we might as well just surrender and let them overrun us.
Acceptable losses ladies, Starfleet is full of Non-Com's and Civilians.
Suck it up, you don't want to protect your fellow officers and HUNDREDS OF CIVILIAN RESEARCHERS on the Spire, well guess what, that makes you still a terrible person. As a captain you have to make the tough calls.
So here is the Tough call.
Your Hundreds upon Hundreds of Civilians or Theirs?
At least we Didnt send Our Civilians to Attack their Spire full of Civilians. Seriously.
Squemish children.
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I think you might be terrible at math. Let me explain to you how numbers work.
One Million is much, much bigger than One Hundred. There are easily far more than One Million souls on the City Ship.
So yes, there are a hundred or so nominally civilian starfleet researchers on this base. In Voth territory. That the Voth have asked us to leave. In order to "protect" them, we kill several million Voth, many of which are non-combatants.
These numbers are not anywhere within the same league.
For reference, the Federation are behaving much like the white man coming to the New World. But I'm sure all of you bleating sheep will attempt to downplay that atrocity too.
How sad the high ideals of Captain Picard, who valued diplomacy and fair justice above all, have been lost and washed away by the warmongering ways of Janeway.
I suppose it is appropriate that unapologetic war criminals and their deniers now populate the ranks of Starfleet.
I think its cute that you are all so squemish about killing off Pixels upon Pixels of NOT REAL CIVILIANS.
I hope that if we are ever actually attacked by a massive force someone like you aren't in charge.
OH NOES they have civilians on board that MASSIVE BATTLESTATION, we can't fire on it, we might as well just surrender and let them overrun us.
Acceptable losses ladies, Starfleet is full of Non-Com's and Civilians.
Suck it up, you don't want to protect your fellow officers and HUNDREDS OF CIVILIAN RESEARCHERS on the Spire, well guess what, that makes you still a terrible person. As a captain you have to make the tough calls.
So here is the Tough call.
Your Hundreds upon Hundreds of Civilians or Theirs?
At least we Didnt send Our Civilians to Attack their Spire full of Civilians. Seriously.
Squemish children.
Quite true, and there is no proof that the Voth Fortress ship has any civilians at all. So... I don't see the complaint as valid.
This is the second time I've linked this to you and you keep denying it at every opportunity. War crime denier much?
A military vessel performing a military function. If it were repairing everything but military ships, it wouldn't fall into the military asset role as a 'Combat engineering asset', which is fully recognized as a function of war.
Now please, provide some evidence....unless of course, you can find a crew manifest of these smaller engineering vessels to prove that there is nothing but civilians and wounded personnel onboard. Get that and I'll see it as what you're proposing.
Spacegamer, I'm not saying that such events did not happen, in fact I'm still somewhat agitated by the truths behind Christopher Columbus. He did bad things, and I don't approve of them in the slightest. What you're doing is precisely the opposite, you're criticizing others for actions that you have no evidence of them committing.
The worst crime here is that you're trying to rationalize the presence of civilians to make the attack unjustifiable, when you are clearly dismissing the known trillions more that could easily be massacred once the Voth discover how to make use of something so powerful as the Dyson Sphere.
A military vessel performing a military function. If it were repairing everything but military ships, it wouldn't fall into the military asset role as a 'Combat engineering asset', which is fully recognized as a function of war.
Now please, provide some evidence....unless of course, you can find a crew manifest of these smaller engineering vessels to prove that there is nothing but civilians and wounded personnel onboard. Get that and I'll see it as what you're proposing.
Spacegamer, I'm not saying that such events did not happen, in fact I'm still somewhat agitated by the truths behind Christopher Columbus. He did bad things, and I don't approve of them in the slightest. What you're doing is precisely the opposite, you're criticizing others for actions that you have no evidence of them committing.
The worst crime here is that you're trying to rationalize the presence of civilians to make the attack unjustifiable, when you are clearly dismissing the known trillions more that could easily be massacred once the Voth discover how to make use of something so powerful as the Dyson Sphere.
I'll link this for the third time to you, since you keep ignoring the imagery showing the civilian cities and ships: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13679701&postcount=162
You have refuted none of this but claimed (with no evidence) that there were no civilians on board, demanding we prove otherwise or else you were right, sticking you fingers in your ears.
Since you're asking for a crew manifest as a last-chance straw to clutch, demanding us to prove your assertion wrong - how about you do exactly what you've asked us to do, and find this crew manifest yourself to show us the lack of onboard civilians? Not to much to ask is it?
Also I like the fact you have now explicitly said you have no problems attacking a civilian target if the ends justify the means. That's sociopathic in the extreme. I suppose when you saw the wikileaks "collateral murder" video you just shrugged and went "whatever"?
There is no evidence at all that the Voth are doing anything other than securing the sphere, same as the Federation is supposedly doing - I'd ask you to prove your claim but you haven't backed up any of your other assertions so far with any hard evidence so I guess you won't feel compelled now.
You have all the makings of a real life war criminal. Congratulations I guess?
The only good dino is a DEAD dino Genocide BRING IT ON !!!! (remember they are extinct)
C'mon you know you want to see a BIG explosion an internal one is as good as lighting your own farts. Its amusing at first but soon you want epicness :P
Maybe we can direct a meteor through the sphere directly at the ship, lots of lens flare what ya think, cut scenes of flash backs and what not ?!?!?!
Now now, we've already established that mourkoth is just a robot going through the motions regarding denial of evidence, seeing as how it's been parroting the same evidence line despite all input and ignores any comments outside that line of query, which is presumably why it has provided no evidence itself. Accusing it of war crimes is roughly as fair as accusing a weaponised drone of the same.
Every other demagogue in here screaming about the ends justifying the means, or even expressing nonchalance at the subject? Those men are criminals.
Now now, we've already established that mourkoth is just a robot going through the motions regarding denial of evidence, seeing as how it's been parroting the same evidence line despite all input and ignores any comments outside that line of query, which is presumably why it has provided no evidence itself. Accusing it of war crimes is roughly as fair as accusing a weaponised drone of the same.
The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human... sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I had to wait till he moved on the Fortress Ship before I could zero him.
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It's essentially why I uncovered this guy for what he is - a troll. He's neglected to provide tangible evidence of a civilian presence and instead resorted to using detached examples. He's sticking to whatever sounds appealing, even though he has yet to provide evidence ofthe elements needed for the association to ever exist in the first place...
...ladies and gentlemen, a troll be abouts us, as any sane man would see reason and understand that the Voth were intentionally scripted to be bad guys and nothing more.
The voth use phased shield technology but I have seen little if any evidence of this, they can overcome Starfleet shields with ease, yet to see any evidence of this. They can also BEAM AN ENTIRE SHIP INSIDE their own ships even with shields raised on both ships, yet to see any evidence of this.
I think most the devs read a preliminary report on the episode and took it from there I doubt many if any watched the actual episode that featured the voth and it was only ONE single episode (they must be busy bug hunting lol) if they did watch it I think they spent most the time prating about throwing popcorn at one another not taking a single note !
So they pulled on their commercialised youth and that's the limit of their imagination. Regurgitated crud for an A+ pretty much like the education system really !
My character Tsin'xing
The mission plays like a Return of the Jedi Death Star run.
Pew Pew Boom
If you are incapable of playing the game without being triggered about real world events to such a degree that you need to call others who enjoy escapist entertainment, "monsters" and such, I suggest you not engage in (a) That mission or (b) the game in general
It's a collection of pixels on a screen.
Its a quick and fun little pew pew mission in a (let me stress this) GAME.
Escapist entertainment.
Sorry it's triggering to some people.
But your experience does not make others who enjoy some space ships flying around a military FORTRESS ship to DISABLE it's main power core "monsters" or whatever else they have been called.
Get some freaking perspective.
Some Quotes :
Yeah.
All that because some folks like playing some Science Fiction video game about blowing up space ships.
You really might want to take a break from the game for awhile.
http://i.imgur.com/jmkNk7K.gif
Al kaida are al-kinda Al-Qaeda.
My character Tsin'xing
Actually, a more correct transliteration is al-Qa'ida (pronounced al-ka-EE-da)
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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You're a very creepy fellow, you know that? The fact that you take a work of fiction to such an extreme is truly disturbing. I suggest you get some help and find a way to separate life from fantasy. You might live a little better.
As for the mission, it made me giggle to see ships that usually dwarf my Talvath, such as the Scimitar and Bortasqu, are themselves made to look like toys by this thing.
Member since early 2011
http://youtu.be/PfJuqOnNCCA
http://www.fengtastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Star-Trek-Jesus-1.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5YG5f38MPo :rolleyes:
Got those pics yet, or are you just trolling now?
Pointing out your denial of the facts isn't trolling. Accusing me of trolling for pointing that out might be though.
Alright then, what factual evidence do you have to present, that there is a civilian Voth presence? Remember, combat-engineers are military assets, not civilian...so you still owe some screenshots of labeled Voth civilian personnel, or labeled Voth civilian craft not participating in the war effort.
This guy already posted all that?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13679701&postcount=162
This is the second time I've linked this to you and you keep denying it at every opportunity. War crime denier much?
You know what mourkoth? I'm sorry. I'm sorry I called you a monster. Because now it is patently obvious you are some sort of robot who's sole purpose is to attempt to downplay any information presented by those of us attempting to put a stop to this. So it's unfair to accuse you of denial - you appear to be only a tool.
We resorting to insults already? This thread was just becoming an amusing distraction.
Peacekeeper High Command
Scorpius - Zelbinion Mk II
I hope that if we are ever actually attacked by a massive force someone like you aren't in charge.
OH NOES they have civilians on board that MASSIVE BATTLESTATION, we can't fire on it, we might as well just surrender and let them overrun us.
Acceptable losses ladies, Starfleet is full of Non-Com's and Civilians.
Suck it up, you don't want to protect your fellow officers and HUNDREDS OF CIVILIAN RESEARCHERS on the Spire, well guess what, that makes you still a terrible person. As a captain you have to make the tough calls.
So here is the Tough call.
Your Hundreds upon Hundreds of Civilians or Theirs?
At least we Didnt send Our Civilians to Attack their Spire full of Civilians. Seriously.
Squemish children.
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
One Million is much, much bigger than One Hundred. There are easily far more than One Million souls on the City Ship.
So yes, there are a hundred or so nominally civilian starfleet researchers on this base. In Voth territory. That the Voth have asked us to leave. In order to "protect" them, we kill several million Voth, many of which are non-combatants.
These numbers are not anywhere within the same league.
For reference, the Federation are behaving much like the white man coming to the New World. But I'm sure all of you bleating sheep will attempt to downplay that atrocity too.
I suppose it is appropriate that unapologetic war criminals and their deniers now populate the ranks of Starfleet.
Captain N here has entered the video world and done a civilian headcount now, I see.
Yet while you were there, you did nothing to stop the slaughter. Monster.
My character Tsin'xing
A military vessel performing a military function. If it were repairing everything but military ships, it wouldn't fall into the military asset role as a 'Combat engineering asset', which is fully recognized as a function of war.
Now please, provide some evidence....unless of course, you can find a crew manifest of these smaller engineering vessels to prove that there is nothing but civilians and wounded personnel onboard. Get that and I'll see it as what you're proposing.
Spacegamer, I'm not saying that such events did not happen, in fact I'm still somewhat agitated by the truths behind Christopher Columbus. He did bad things, and I don't approve of them in the slightest. What you're doing is precisely the opposite, you're criticizing others for actions that you have no evidence of them committing.
The worst crime here is that you're trying to rationalize the presence of civilians to make the attack unjustifiable, when you are clearly dismissing the known trillions more that could easily be massacred once the Voth discover how to make use of something so powerful as the Dyson Sphere.
We've already established that "fortress" as a term has applied repeatedly to civilian cities here:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13696641&postcount=173
You completely ignored this by the way. How convenient for you.
I'll link this for the third time to you, since you keep ignoring the imagery showing the civilian cities and ships:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13679701&postcount=162
You have refuted none of this but claimed (with no evidence) that there were no civilians on board, demanding we prove otherwise or else you were right, sticking you fingers in your ears.
Since you're asking for a crew manifest as a last-chance straw to clutch, demanding us to prove your assertion wrong - how about you do exactly what you've asked us to do, and find this crew manifest yourself to show us the lack of onboard civilians? Not to much to ask is it?
Also I like the fact you have now explicitly said you have no problems attacking a civilian target if the ends justify the means. That's sociopathic in the extreme. I suppose when you saw the wikileaks "collateral murder" video you just shrugged and went "whatever"?
There is no evidence at all that the Voth are doing anything other than securing the sphere, same as the Federation is supposedly doing - I'd ask you to prove your claim but you haven't backed up any of your other assertions so far with any hard evidence so I guess you won't feel compelled now.
You have all the makings of a real life war criminal. Congratulations I guess?
C'mon you know you want to see a BIG explosion an internal one is as good as lighting your own farts. Its amusing at first but soon you want epicness :P
Maybe we can direct a meteor through the sphere directly at the ship, lots of lens flare what ya think, cut scenes of flash backs and what not ?!?!?!
Except for the actual war . . . or any crimes taking place in real life. Other than those two things, you're a total war criminal, dude.
Every other demagogue in here screaming about the ends justifying the means, or even expressing nonchalance at the subject? Those men are criminals.
The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human... sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I had to wait till he moved on the Fortress Ship before I could zero him.