I have seen a few posts about people worrying they would get to the delta Q and be cut off from ESD, DS(\9, exchange, pvp, pve etc....
and they would have to go through a series of long missions to get back.
Well make a mission like the "no win scenario" but voyager style!
This is how I see it going
a mission ( NOT required to get back to the alpha Q ) that can be played by 1 to 5 players.
This mission would be incredibly difficult, you would earn more rewards for having LESS players, since voyager was alone completing this mission solo would offer the most difficulties and rewards. ( or DIFFERENT rewards, so as to not discourage group game play. )
at the moment I think this is a brilliant idea but maybe I'm just being arrogant.
Make a Delta NWS or finishing a storyline chain so people could return? No offense, but I think people would get the torches and pitchforks of that was to happen. :P
Besides, travel is canonically easy. The Far Delta Quadrant (near Ocampa) could be reached by the Barzan Wormhole (stabilized by 2409-10). And the Near Delta Quadrant could be reached by the Federation restablishing part of the collapsed Borg Transwarp Network.
I have seen a few posts about people worrying they would get to the delta Q and be cut off from ESD, DS(\9, exchange, pvp, pve etc....
and they would have to go through a series of long missions to get back.
Well make a mission like the "no win scenario" but voyager style!
This is how I see it going
a mission ( NOT required to get back to the alpha Q ) that can be played by 1 to 5 players.
This mission would be incredibly difficult, you would earn more rewards for having LESS players, since voyager was alone completing this mission solo would offer the most difficulties and rewards. ( or DIFFERENT rewards, so as to not discourage group game play. )
at the moment I think this is a brilliant idea but maybe I'm just being arrogant.
My biggest problem with Delta Q missions is a very simple one. No support!
No Exchange (to sell/buy), no Mail (to mail yourself stuff), no Bank (so limited anything), no Fleet, and it just goes on.
IF (notice I say IF) they open up the Delta Q, first thing needed would be a base (planetary/space/whatever) and a means to travel (at what cost?) back and forth between the Alpha Q and Delta Q.
Just a (very) weird idea; maybe the upcoming Dyson Sphere is in the Delta Q, or has a "Gate" of some sort inside. This would either give us the base, or give us a means of travel.
In the Voyager follow-up episode, they found the Ferengi that went through and sent them back to the Alpha Quadrant, but the wormhole was rendered unusable after that.
Please read again, I said the Barzan Wormhole was "stablized in 2409-10". Which the Devs could easily write in, so players could use it as a method of travel to the Delta Quadrant.
Please read again, I said the Barzan Wormhole was "stablized in 2409-10". Which the Devs could easily write in, so players could use it as a method of travel to the Delta Quadrant.
Yeah, I saw that, but I though maybe you knew something I didn't.
And, now that I think about it, you're right. The devs could possibly write something up. I do remember that Lenara Kahn, one of Dax's former spouses was working on methods of creating stable artificial wormholes, and had some moderate success in the first tests. Perhaps she applied some of the methods she devised in those tests, to stabilize it.
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Yeah, I saw that, but I though maybe you knew something I didn't.
And, now that I think about it, you're right. The devs could possibly write something up. I do remember that Lenara Kahn, one of Dax's former spouses was working on methods of creating stable artificial wormholes, and had some moderate success in the first tests. Perhaps she applied some of the methods she devised in those tests, to stabilize it.
Ah, I see. You thought that it was mentioned in some mission or the Path to 2409.
And you brought up a very nice point with Lenara, she could easily be referenced as part of the team that stabilized the Barzan Wormhole.
You guys should read more ST books. A lot of storylines and technologies of STO are based on book series that progress further than the TV series.
Well... ppl dun read books nowadays I guess.
Um... I've read at least a dozen.... most of them involved things that will probably never be seen in STO...
A race that built giant cruise liners that could match a Galaxy class in comabt. Said cruise ships had a weird sort of shielding that made Borg shields and Numiri shields look like they had slow regeneration by comparison.
A race that came from a mostly metal planet(not their actual HW, they traveled through an Iconian gateway to get there) where they had learned to make all sorts of things from metal.... because there was almost nothing else on the planet.... Don't ask where they got food and water, that part made no sense at all.
My only problem with the Delta Quadrant being open to players, is that in an episode of Voyager, Q said that humans weren't supposed to reach the Delta Quadrant for another 100 years. Which means the game would be ignoring established canon if they opened up the area.
I'd rather see more content for the endless amounts of space left in the Alpha quadrant before we go adding another quadrant which is impractical to get to and from,...
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My only problem with the Delta Quadrant being open to players, is that in an episode of Voyager, Q said that humans weren't supposed to reach the Delta Quadrant for another 100 years. Which means the game would be ignoring established canon if they opened up the area.
... Though there would be no point in him being a liar about this... After all he did it in a humiliating tone, as if "just how did you make it here, you primitive apes?".
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
... Though there would be no point in him being a liar about this... After all he did it in a humiliating tone, as if "just how did you make it here, you primitive apes?".
Yeah, but, taking his statement at face value can't really be done. If he knows as much as he claims, why didn't he know the Caretaker would relocate Janeway? It's not like the Caretaker has Q-like powers....
I suspect it was more a matter of him wanting information about what happened. IE, did one of the other Q do it?
Okay we knew how voyager experiment with lot of propulsion drives, whiles trying to get back to the alpha quadrant. So why not have this in game, because I wouldn't mind to have a rare experimental drive such as the coaxial warp drive.
"You ask why we give our ships computer normal emotions. Do you really want a warship incapable of loyalty?"
Yeah, but, taking his statement at face value can't really be done. If he knows as much as he claims, why didn't he know the Caretaker would relocate Janeway? It's not like the Caretaker has Q-like powers....
I suspect it was more a matter of him wanting information about what happened. IE, did one of the other Q do it?
Yeah I have always wonder about that. Which makes me believe that they are not all knowing
"You ask why we give our ships computer normal emotions. Do you really want a warship incapable of loyalty?"
My only problem with the Delta Quadrant being open to players, is that in an episode of Voyager, Q said that humans weren't supposed to reach the Delta Quadrant for another 100 years. Which means the game would be ignoring established canon if they opened up the area.
How much of STO do you consider to be established canon?
And even the TV shows and movies contradict themselves at times simply because they were made in different periods of time and couldn't compensate for what would come after them.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
That's true, it just doesn't make much sense for him to lie about something like that. Although, I guess it could be said that he probably just makes up random things so that he sounds all-knowing.
How much of STO do you consider to be established canon?
And even the TV shows and movies contradict themselves at times simply because they were made in different periods of time and couldn't compensate for what would come after them.
Good point. It would just be nice to have -SOMETHING- remain contradicted.
Am I missing something by thinking being stranded in the Delta Quadrant isnt exactly a problem that would nessacarly be encountered by the.current level of tech in game? In Voyager it is said that Quantum Slipstream velocities would bring them home in weeks/months add in the fact that all factions have access to Transwarp hub technology. Idk being stranded while a good idea, seems very gimmicky.
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Because we can't use Talaxian space station for mail and all that stuff??? We have Slipstream Tech, and can send a fleet of ships to build a Star base over there?? We can get an exploration fleet there like the Victory to use as a exchange and stuff??
Why would be be stranded in the delta Quadrant? If one little ship can a massive the scientific power of the Federation, Imagine what the Federation can do with more advance technology
Ah, I see. You thought that it was mentioned in some mission or the Path to 2409.
And you brought up a very nice point with Lenara, she could easily be referenced as part of the team that stabilized the Barzan Wormhole.
I think in the STO timeline Lenara is dead.
It's at least implied by having a Trill character named after the Khan symbiote and he is male.
The NPC is also a scientist but into TW gates instead of wormholes...
First: lets fix all of those massive holes in the galaxy may atm, like Sirius --> Beta Ursae
Then: Gamma Quadrant.
We can have an entry at DS9, similar like the Battle Group Omega entry into Gamma Orionis.
The Dominion could use more story writing: we last saw their culture when Odo joined the link and we don't know what effect he has had. Also, the Female changeling is just back after that mess with 2800 missing ships.
There could be a Dominion Reputation system, with Jem'Hadar Polaron weaponry, new space set, new ground set, while keeping the existing Mk XI and XII intact, just functioning differently.
There are many, many species in the Dominion. Its not just Changeling, Vorta, Jem'Hadar. There are also all the species conquered by the Dominion. This could be a perfect opportunity for exploration.
The Dominion only said they are avoiding the Iconians. Who is to say that the Iconians do not interfere with the Dominion? Surely grabbing control of this super power would be benefitial for the Iconians?
And the Delta Quadrant, well, I'm not really wanting to get stranded myself. We can't get stranded: every ship comes standard with a big "Transwarp back to ESD/Qo'Nos/New Romulus" button. We would be lost for about 3 hours, then get bored OR wanting to play other content and just press the above mentioned button.
First: lets fix all of those massive holes in the galaxy may atm, like Sirius --> Beta Ursae
Then: Gamma Quadrant.
There was a Cryptic poll a couple of months ago dealing with which series' stuff we wanted to delve into and the winner was Voyager stuff. Thus some small amount of the DQ is in our future.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
My only problem with the Delta Quadrant being open to players, is that in an episode of Voyager, Q said that humans weren't supposed to reach the Delta Quadrant for another 100 years. Which means the game would be ignoring established canon if they opened up the area.
Q and his embellishing. :P
How do you think Janeway would've reacted if he said the truth that the Federation would be exploring this part of the Delta Quadrant in 40 years and was influenced because of the overall plot of the Iconians?
It's at least implied by having a Trill character named after the Khan symbiote and he is male.
The NPC is also a scientist but into TW gates instead of wormholes...
I don't recall her being mentioned in the Path to 2409. Even she is, Cryptic can easily write in someone else.
My only problem with the Delta Quadrant being open to players, is that in an episode of Voyager, Q said that humans weren't supposed to reach the Delta Quadrant for another 100 years. Which means the game would be ignoring established canon if they opened up the area.
Make a Delta NWS or finishing a storyline chain so people could return? No offense, but I think people would get the torches and pitchforks of that was to happen. :P
Besides, travel is canonically easy. The Far Delta Quadrant (near Ocampa) could be reached by the Barzan Wormhole (stabilized by 2409-10). And the Near Delta Quadrant could be reached by the Federation restablishing part of the collapsed Borg Transwarp Network.
I don't think you read my post fully. I do NOT want it to be a mission you have to complete to return. That should be some other mechanic. I was thinking a mission like NWS but instead of continuous waves of enemies coming after a transport, you travel through space encountering different species with different tactics and weapons etc etc.
You would be able to quit anytime, but it was not meant to be a requirement for anything.
Also I just realized I took a huge assumption in thinking that the poll we took a while back meant we were getting the delta Q. But if we aren't, then oh well. but if we are, I think this would be fun.
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Besides, travel is canonically easy. The Far Delta Quadrant (near Ocampa) could be reached by the Barzan Wormhole (stabilized by 2409-10). And the Near Delta Quadrant could be reached by the Federation restablishing part of the collapsed Borg Transwarp Network.
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My biggest problem with Delta Q missions is a very simple one. No support!
No Exchange (to sell/buy), no Mail (to mail yourself stuff), no Bank (so limited anything), no Fleet, and it just goes on.
IF (notice I say IF) they open up the Delta Q, first thing needed would be a base (planetary/space/whatever) and a means to travel (at what cost?) back and forth between the Alpha Q and Delta Q.
Just a (very) weird idea; maybe the upcoming Dyson Sphere is in the Delta Q, or has a "Gate" of some sort inside. This would either give us the base, or give us a means of travel.
In the Voyager follow-up episode, they found the Ferengi that went through and sent them back to the Alpha Quadrant, but the wormhole was rendered unusable after that.
Please read again, I said the Barzan Wormhole was "stablized in 2409-10". Which the Devs could easily write in, so players could use it as a method of travel to the Delta Quadrant.
Yeah, I saw that, but I though maybe you knew something I didn't.
And, now that I think about it, you're right. The devs could possibly write something up. I do remember that Lenara Kahn, one of Dax's former spouses was working on methods of creating stable artificial wormholes, and had some moderate success in the first tests. Perhaps she applied some of the methods she devised in those tests, to stabilize it.
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Ah, I see. You thought that it was mentioned in some mission or the Path to 2409.
And you brought up a very nice point with Lenara, she could easily be referenced as part of the team that stabilized the Barzan Wormhole.
Well... ppl dun read books nowadays I guess.
A race that built giant cruise liners that could match a Galaxy class in comabt. Said cruise ships had a weird sort of shielding that made Borg shields and Numiri shields look like they had slow regeneration by comparison.
A race that came from a mostly metal planet(not their actual HW, they traveled through an Iconian gateway to get there) where they had learned to make all sorts of things from metal.... because there was almost nothing else on the planet.... Don't ask where they got food and water, that part made no sense at all.
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... Though there would be no point in him being a liar about this... After all he did it in a humiliating tone, as if "just how did you make it here, you primitive apes?".
I suspect it was more a matter of him wanting information about what happened. IE, did one of the other Q do it?
My character Tsin'xing
Yeah I have always wonder about that. Which makes me believe that they are not all knowing
And even the TV shows and movies contradict themselves at times simply because they were made in different periods of time and couldn't compensate for what would come after them.
Why would be be stranded in the delta Quadrant? If one little ship can a massive the scientific power of the Federation, Imagine what the Federation can do with more advance technology
gameplay 'always' trumps canon.
that should put an end to any canon pizzing contest debates that pop up here .... but seems to be ignored or forgotten alot.
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I think in the STO timeline Lenara is dead.
It's at least implied by having a Trill character named after the Khan symbiote and he is male.
The NPC is also a scientist but into TW gates instead of wormholes...
I'm still opposing to that.
First: lets fix all of those massive holes in the galaxy may atm, like Sirius --> Beta Ursae
Then: Gamma Quadrant.
We can have an entry at DS9, similar like the Battle Group Omega entry into Gamma Orionis.
The Dominion could use more story writing: we last saw their culture when Odo joined the link and we don't know what effect he has had. Also, the Female changeling is just back after that mess with 2800 missing ships.
There could be a Dominion Reputation system, with Jem'Hadar Polaron weaponry, new space set, new ground set, while keeping the existing Mk XI and XII intact, just functioning differently.
There are many, many species in the Dominion. Its not just Changeling, Vorta, Jem'Hadar. There are also all the species conquered by the Dominion. This could be a perfect opportunity for exploration.
The Dominion only said they are avoiding the Iconians. Who is to say that the Iconians do not interfere with the Dominion? Surely grabbing control of this super power would be benefitial for the Iconians?
And the Delta Quadrant, well, I'm not really wanting to get stranded myself. We can't get stranded: every ship comes standard with a big "Transwarp back to ESD/Qo'Nos/New Romulus" button. We would be lost for about 3 hours, then get bored OR wanting to play other content and just press the above mentioned button.
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Q and his embellishing. :P
How do you think Janeway would've reacted if he said the truth that the Federation would be exploring this part of the Delta Quadrant in 40 years and was influenced because of the overall plot of the Iconians?
I don't recall her being mentioned in the Path to 2409. Even she is, Cryptic can easily write in someone else.
And Khan symbiote? Wha?
It's the Kahn symbiont. Ricardo didn't have spots.
That hardly counts as established cannon lol
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Damar_Kahn
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mission:_Heading_Out
See that's what threw me off, he said "Khan" not "Kahn". That and I forgot about that guy. :P
I don't think you read my post fully. I do NOT want it to be a mission you have to complete to return. That should be some other mechanic. I was thinking a mission like NWS but instead of continuous waves of enemies coming after a transport, you travel through space encountering different species with different tactics and weapons etc etc.
You would be able to quit anytime, but it was not meant to be a requirement for anything.
Also I just realized I took a huge assumption in thinking that the poll we took a while back meant we were getting the delta Q. But if we aren't, then oh well. but if we are, I think this would be fun.