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  • inexpugnabilisinexpugnabilis Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    While I enjoyed the music and the intrigue in "Counterpoint", I find the Devore quite bland, so I voted for the Krenim as all the other species are even more bland, but that's Voyager for you. In fact, I honestly believe this whole introducing the Voyager idea ought to be scrapped and the guilty parties fired without severance pay. Fat chance, I know, but a bit of ceterum censeo daydreaming never hurt anyone. :) Oh, BTW, are there any chances of you actually investing all that lockbox lottery dirty money back in the game? Bringing Kurtwood Smith as a voice actor might almost make me consider considering to forgive you for the Legacy of Romulus fiasco. Perhaps.
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  • alfanx01alfanx01 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I would love to see Voyager content in STO, but this breaks the canon, like Q mentioned: "Humans aren't supposed to Delta Quadrant for the next 200 years."

    From Death Wish.

    That means, human are in the DQ by late-25th or early-26th century, give or take.
  • bytusofborgbytusofborg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Actually, this is an interesting idea. Ocompa have a seven year life span, so several generations would have passed in the intervening years.
  • haurianthauriant Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Also, for the record, I hope that the Vidiians were cured, but that for some reason the cure didn't work for some. Maybe it never worked for a minority of Vidiians. Maybe the disease is adapting but only infecting a few. For now. Maybe some are too acculturated to the Phage that the can't (psychologically) live without the regular replacement of body parts. A culture with such a division and within it is interesting. Meanwhile, the cured Vidiiians could be dealing with the horrors perpetuated by the desperate generation before and the fear of the disease returning. That has storytelling potential.

    If the Delta Quadrant is locked out until reaching Vice Admiral, then every ship's Captain is assumed to have quantum slipstream. So when reaching Sector block boarders, tactical officer could say "ready to use quantum slipstream to [wherever]" allowing sector block to be far from one another.

    Besides letting people experience a "Voyager's greatest hits" in a believable way that way, it also would allow for new sector blocks to be inserted between old ones easier. For example, in Borg as a faction were added. (If it were, I would hope it woudln't be regular Borg or liberated Borg, but "awakened" Borg. Something happens, and a bunch of ships each are severed form the main collective. Some of the drones have their personality restored, "the Bridge Officers," while at least white doff equivalents aren't yet individuals. Still, even the individuals can't leave the collective. They're just themselves within a telepathic community. The player who awakens and becomes monarch/one-who-is-many has to figure out what happened and what to do now, and how to restore all drone's individuality.) Anyway, if a Borg faction were to start in the Delta Quadrant, then new sectors could be added easily if DQ sectors blocks weren't considered consecutive. I could see empty sectors on Holodeck waiting for Borg missions to be added (like Tau Dewa, to a degree, before LoR) as a problem. So to would reusing all the other systems already used in a Delta Quadrant expansion for Borg missions. Some overlap, OK, but mostly overlap? That seems a problem. to consider when developing the DQ.
  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Besides wondering about what species from the Delta Quadrant would be hostile towards us, I wonder who in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant would be hostile towards them? For example, the Tholians are very interested in temporal technology, so what if they began pestering the Krenim in an attempt to gain access to their own temporal experiments.
  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Wish we could pose and have questions questions instead of being driven to respond to a poll.
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  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I'm not voting in that pool. There's nothing that feels particularily relevant to me in there.

    Why? Because the STO metaplot doesn't justify going in the Delta Quadrant at this point in time. It makes no sense. We have other troubles that ought to have far more priority... such as the Iconian plot you've been stringing us along for the last 3 years, and given us very little resolution or progress with.

    Get to it already! Us that joined the game and stuck around were interested long ago, but if you make us wait to long we're likely to just stop giving a damn because we were baited by the promise of progression with that story for so long.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Oh god not Voyager...I love how a lot of people complain about JJ Trek not being Trek, but it was Voyager who started the Action frenzy alien of the week pew pew that became action Trek.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    alfanx01 wrote: »
    I would love to see Voyager content in STO, but this breaks the canon, like Q mentioned: "Humans aren't supposed to Delta Quadrant for the next 200 years."

    From Death Wish.

    That means, human are in the DQ by late-25th or early-26th century, give or take.

    How does it break canon when Voyager already ended up in the Delta Quadrant making Q's statement null.
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    alfanx01 wrote: »
    I would love to see Voyager content in STO, but this breaks the canon, like Q mentioned: "Humans aren't supposed to Delta Quadrant for the next 200 years."

    From Death Wish.

    That means, human are in the DQ by late-25th or early-26th century, give or take.

    Q remarks in the episode that Humans shouldn't be in this area of space for another one hundred years, that would mean that Starfleet would reach the general area of Quinn's prison around 2472. However since "Humans" clearly were around that region of space in 2372 (both Voyager and the Equinox) and he didn't know about it, perhaps the future isn't quite so easy, even for a Q, to predict.
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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    With Slipstream Drive and Transwarp, getting back to the Delta Quadrant isn't a problem. They already did that in the novels. Voyager is part of an expeditionary force exploring former Borg space. And they got there by slipstream.

    As for Species, most of them are forgettable. I never want to see another Kazon or Talaxian again. The Vidiians have lost their one interesting quirk thanks to the phage having been cured. Now they're just another bland race from a bland show.
    The Hierarchy was a stupid idea. Having to get permission from higher up for every friggin maneuver? That's a huge disadvantage in combat because it would make your reaction time incredibly slow.
    I find none of the proposed races interesting, tbh.

    What happened to the Caretaker? He died in the Pilot.
    What happened to the Hirogen com network? It was destroyed a few episodes after Voyager found it.

    Krenim ships? Sure, why not. Although we've already covered temporal mechanics with lockboxes.
    Borg ships? Oh Hell no! The new superfat Warbirds are bad enough. I don't want to have to bump my way through a dozen Borg Cubes on my way out of Quo'Nos. That would take about half an hour.
    I also can't see how you could repurpose something like a Borg ship for use by a group of individuals using a hierarchical command structure. They're not built for that at all!
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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,644 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I really need to to think upon this poll a while before I cast a vote.

    Just reading some of the popular responses, I couldn't help but imagine Ambassador Lwaxana Troi meeting the ambassador from the Devore Imperium.
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  • general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Oh god not Voyager...I love how a lot of people complain about JJ Trek not being Trek, but it was Voyager who started the Action frenzy alien of the week pew pew that became action Trek.

    -_- Everyone always has to bash one series or another don't we?

    Enterprise: "Oh they made a show that takes place before TOS those TRIBBLE and it has a theme song with lyrics in it how horrid lets gripe about it for the next 10 years!"

    Voyager: "Oh it has new species and more action, thats wrong even though it takes place in a place where the Federation has no power and the inhabitants are less the friendly they need less pew pew."

    Deep Space Nine: "Too much Comedy and cheesyness. And on a space station? No no no."

    Star Trek Reboot: "OH THE LENS FLARE! its too shiny and cinematic! And how dare they change the story even the tiniest even though it takes place in an alternate timeline"

    ....Ugh *sighs* You know I understand everyone has a right to their own opinion and may not like certain parts of trek as Trekkies are more picky and can be more bitchy then any other Sci-Fi group in the universe, but I really get tired of all the bashing on something just because they changed things up. Yes I like all trek, but I'm smart enough to know that each series, movie and game is Trek in its own way, it may have more action, more lens flare or music that isn't opera (I hate all the opening songs except the Enterprise one), but They all derive from the same place. The same dream. Because since the dawn of man we have explored the world around us, then one day when the mysteries of the world were solved Man looked to the stars and became fixated on a new place to explore, a place with an infinite number of planets to explore, lifeforms to discover and interact with, and Endless Adventures to have. Thats what Star Trek is to me, Discovery and Adventure, and adventures have fear and conflict in them, things that will stand in the way of Discovery you will have to face. My dream is the same as Johnathon Archer's was, to be the first Captain of the First Starship. Because here our world is harsh to those who dream, people want you to only be certain things. I'm no genius, I can write sure, but I'm no physicist, or scientist or mathematician, I'm horrible at math, but out there I can be anything, out there is Freedom, real freedom. I want to go out and explore the Universe some day. That is my dream. That is the dream of all Trekkies no matter what part of Trek they like best. That is the Dream of Starfleet Captains and Officers. And thats all I have to say.
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  • flatmattflatmatt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Kazon are pretty much just another generic enemy. Vidiians I was in favor of until it was pointed out that the Phage was cured. I don't even recognize the last three names on the list. Are the Malon the trash haulers in spacesuits?

    Krenim have a lot of potential, though. The ending of Year of Hell doesn't make it clear whether the ship technology will never come to be, is simply delayed, or what. Perhaps Annorax's ship still comes to exist by 2409, just a few years later and/or in a different way. Lots of possibilities with such a complicated story with an open ending.

    Also: Please, please, please start working now for special guest voiceover by Kurtwood Smith! :D
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Normally I'd say that I'd enjoy seeing Starfleet try to justify to the Devore the actions of Voyager's crew while inside their sovereign territory; from the flagrant violation of the Prime Directive, to the god awful First Contact frak up that would no doubt plague any future dealings between them. However these days we'd just shoot them in the face and steal their stuff. Result. :D
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  • eristhevortaeristhevorta Member Posts: 1,049 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Why not add more than just one new species besides the Voth? Maybe at least three new species with each frigates, cruisers and battleships at least? That would be cute. The Baneth are also an interesting species, or the Kobali, the Brunali etc. So many species worth integrating. Maybe with an enhanced character creator, it would be even better for fundry authors to include species like the Baneth. ^^

    Also, I'd like to know if the eventual and badly needed upgrade to Level 60 is coming in Season 8 (as promised about a year ago). Or is it now gunna be Season 9 or 10? :(
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  • flatmattflatmatt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Oh, and might I add that "Season 8 takes place entirely within a Dyson sphere" is the type of sentence you expect to read on April Fools Day and wish it weren't April Fools Day. But it's not April Fools Day! (This is the first I've heard of this.)
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  • sevmragesevmrage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    At first, I had a thought about smashing one of us Fed captains into another section of the Delta Quadrant, weaken the Slipstream Drive through that act, and follow how things work out with that captain. Make a followable story for one lucky captain, and give the Devs someone to pick on for fun.

    In retrospect, it sounds cheesy now. I feel like there can be some potential there, though. How would a different ship fare? An Oddysey, A Galaxy X, or a commandeered Mirror Adv. Escort, for instance?

    Just a thought.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Sad to see the Malon so far down. They bear so much social-critisism potential. Would be awesome to see STO deliver some bold jabs to society Star Trek style.
  • aaronh42aaronh42 Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    One of the big problems with doing the Delta quadrant is that we don't actually see one long long journey from the Caretaker array back to earth. Several times Voyager makes major "jumps" through space or encounters barriers that would act as effectively limiting factors for who we would encounter in a potential voyager storyline points.

    You bascially have from the start of Voyager up to Fair Trade (due to the vast region of empty space known as the Nekrit Expanse) or possibly Scorpion (due to borg space) (So Seasons one two and three)

    After this voyager gets flung through space in the Gift and continue with normal flight until Hope and Fear they traveled briefly in slipstream, I can't remember how far or in what direction, but I am going to say it is a dividing point. So basically season four is one block.

    Because at the beginning of season five in Night they find a vortex that allows them to jump ahead again, this time to the other side of a void which would act as a barrier if represented in gameplay.

    Of course, you only get six episodes out of season five before they jump again in one of my favorites, Timeless, they use a slipstream drive to cover 10 years worth of travel time (how much this is in current travel time is unknown, so it may not really be a barrier)

    Unfortunately by the 15th episodes of the season they jump another 20k lightyears, so we have another barrier.

    The next jump is in Dragon's Teeth, but this time it is via a subspace corridor, which is implied to run pretty much the length of their course through the Delta quadrant, so not necessarily being a barrier could potentially be a way of linking various parts of the Voyager journey, normally spread out over great distance, together. (this was of course, in season six, episode 7)

    And I think that's all of them. So it looks like you have:
    Seasons one two and Three as one group
    Seasons Four as one group
    Season five episode one through six as another group
    Season five episode seven through fifteen as another group
    Season five episode fifteen through season six episode seven as another group
    Then the rest of the episodes after that.

    So, pick one of those blocks and choose which one has the best enemies, aliens, encounters, and allies and somehow get the players there.

    I personally vote for season one through three. This would give us the Kazon (blech) the Vidiians (One of the greatest star trek villains, unfortunately supposedly cured), the Planet Sikaris (Potentially the way we get to the Delta Quadrant), Whoever brought the 37s to the Delta Quadrant (maybe Iconians or their servants?), The Swarm, The Praylor (one of my personal favorites), and various other minor races. It would also be nice if the story wasn't all kill kill kill. What if there was a fledging alliance similar to the early federation and the players goal in coming to the Delta quadrant was to prevent it from falling to pieces at the hands of some Iconian plot.

    Also, wasn't the Dyson Sphere we were going to visit supposed to be located in the Delta Quadrant? If this is the case why not simply place the sphere wherever, then when the players are given the option to explore the gamma quadrant, they start at the Dyson sphere.

    If you ever decided to introduce a new faction, it could then be this fledgling alliance in the Delta quadrant, and the main storyline could focus around trying to hold it together in the face of numerous threats.
  • captaindoug1captaindoug1 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    It would be nice to see the vaadwaur because where are they and what are they doing?
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Sad to see the Malon so far down. They bear so much social-critisism potential. Would be awesome to see STO deliver some bold jabs to society Star Trek style.

    The Malon are probably way down there because people know that they are pretty uninteresting species. I mean, everyone that we've seen in the four episodes they've been featured on have been Garbage Haulers.

    I think more people should be surprised with where the Kazon landed. The Krenim were only a few episodes as well, but they spent a lot more time fleshing them out.

    I'm also not surprised by where the Viidians showed up since we never got a clear ending as to what happened to them. It would be a good excuse for them to continue the Klingon storyline about using their DNA to correct the problems.

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  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Eh ... Krenim seem to win this poll. People here are obviously very into temporal shenanigans and don't really care for reasons why the Krenim would suddenly oppose alpha quadrant factions (yes, we are basically choosing our next target to mass murder here ). After the timeline got restored they seemed actually very peaceful in comparison. Chronitonweapons and a potential giant doomship are IMO not enough to make an interesting enemy.

    Vidiians on the other hand (if we assume the think tank lied and the phage was never cured) actually have a reason to go full onslaught on every faction they encounter.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The Krenim of course. With that kickass temporal incursion weapon ship as the boss of some PvE mission. And yes, I know it was erased from history, but I'm invoking the First Law of Resurrection on it ("The will of a creator to bring a dead character back to life trumps everything else").

    There is no need to overthink how to get to the delta quadrant or to the various distant areas Voyager visited. The game already features an area only accessible by transwarp gate.
  • symetreus69symetreus69 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Personally I would vote for the Vaadwaur. I imagine they would be pretty spiteful to the Federation.
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  • johncampbell07johncampbell07 Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    All that I ask, beyond fixing the existing bugs and other things that just don't fit (like Photonic officers that get bruised ribs when played on elite) is that if we go into the Delta Quadrant the existing Vice Admiral along with currently existing species and existing ships of our best Federation ships, such as the latest Operations Cruiser, are more then up to the challenge.

    Lets face it. I'm human and I like being human. My ship is a known and at some point we all approach everything else around us with certain base knowns, not variables we cannot trust. After three years of STO it would be nice to not be nerfed and even improve without first being cut down. You can't enjoy a story line if you're ship and crew are not up to the challenge. Respawn this and respawn that dramatically take away from the story. Learning ones ship, crew, skills, and so on, is what should take presidence. Then take on the adventure with at least some knowns for a foundation to build upon as well as the learned capability to do so.

    Keeping in mind that much of Star Trek throughout the years has been based upon realistic scientific theory, some of which is reality today, anything added to STO should incorporate that same realm and method. It's the part that lets us not only see the future, but become a part of it. Some of the latest offerings such as those available in the Dilithium mine bases have good combined features, but make no sense for the actual capabilities. This tends to make the science look more like magic from a fairytale. We need to get back to the science.
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The Malon are probably way down there because people know that they are pretty uninteresting species. I mean, everyone that we've seen in the four episodes they've been featured on have been Garbage Haulers.

    I think more people should be surprised with where the Kazon landed. The Krenim were only a few episodes as well, but they spent a lot more time fleshing them out.

    I'm also not surprised by where the Viidians showed up since we never got a clear ending as to what happened to them. It would be a good excuse for them to continue the Klingon storyline about using their DNA to correct the problems.

    Thats probably why they have more votes which in turn makes me a bit sad because of the cool story potential Malon could have and my personal lack of interest in "we are meany warriahs Kazon"; "Hey moar time travel Krenim" or the others. Its not that I questioned the results of the voting or required explanation of why it is as its is. :o

    But since my personal favourite of voy species, the Voth, is already set in stone it all does not bother me much anyway. :)
  • voicesdarkvoicesdark Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I originally voted for Voyager because I love the intrepid ship design, not because I thought they were going to add the bloody delta quadrant to the game. As much s I hated the fraking religious emissary BS of DS9 I would have much rather they opened up the Gamma quadrant and added some truly unique species and ships to the mix.

    Atleast going to the Gamma quadrant would have made sense looking for more resources and allies to fight against the iconians, but if you're going to add in a section of the delta quadrant you might as well say frak all to the current setup end the war, have the feds, roms, kdf all allies and and the undine and iconians as a playable alliance and turn this into alpha/beta against delta game.

    And for that matter who the frak cares about the Voth, one of the biggest pieces of Voyager trash writing and that's what you focus on for an entire season???

    With the course you've been taking this game ever since the fleetbase release (minus lor) this game is becoming more and more a filler until the better space mmos release.
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  • voicesdarkvoicesdark Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Thats probably why they have more votes which in turn makes me a bit sad because of the cool story potential Malon could have and my personal lack of interest in "we are meany warriahs Kazon"; "Hey moar time travel Krenim" or the others. Its not that I questioned the results of the voting or required explanation of why it is as its is. :o

    But since my personal favourite of voy species, the Voth, is already set in stone it all does not bother me much anyway. :)

    Everyone seems to be forgetting that the "Think Tank" cured the viidians so they're pretty much irrelevant now anyways.
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