Sorry, they have been using the "saucer separation" as an excuse for holding the fleet galaxy X up for awhile now. This ship should not even have saucer separation. The thing has a gigantic SPINAL phaser lance attached to the bottom of the neck and saucer.
Please do not add a sacuer sep to this ship. Simply increase the turn rate, change the BOFF layout and and add a 4th tac console and fix the spinal lance because that ability can not hold a candle to the garumba's javelin and many other special ship specific abilities.
Seriously though, you would goto serperate the ship and use your lance ability..then what? The saucer is going to go around firing the lance or is the stardrive section going to fire the lance our of thin air? Saucer seperation makes no sense on the galaxy x.
The problem with making the Galaxy-X a decent battlecruiser style ship is that too many people already have it and would be satisfied with it enough to not bother buying any more fed cruisers. People wanting a better fed cruiser was a steady sales generator (at least until they started having this love affair with destroyers...how is the scimitar NOT a cruiser??!!)
My Gal X is pretty tanking and can hurt. I plan ahead for her slownees and I do Lance and overlord. I do aux to weapons for BO everytime and note I see ALOT of GalX's around now. heck it's GalX, Carrier, or Warbird in STF's with a smigon of escorts.
if it wasn't obvious enought, i was speaking about pvp in my last post, not pve.
there you will be able to see where you tanking capacities stand and if your burst firepower is good enought.
you will not indefinitly plan ahead an enemy that is flying circle around you, and rarely, if ever you will see galaxy x there.
if you think you are doing a pretty good job with your galaxy i suggest you to go test it in arena, just for fun.
The problem with making the Galaxy-X a decent battlecruiser style ship is that too many people already have it and would be satisfied with it enough to not bother buying any more fed cruisers. People wanting a better fed cruiser was a steady sales generator (at least until they started having this love affair with destroyers...how is the scimitar NOT a cruiser??!!)
that an hypothetical scenario that is very plausible, but their is absolutly no certainty that it will happen like that.it could be in fact a boost in their sell.
in any case, since cryptic already realize that at a certain point they will have to do a second pass on old ship, they better do it right, right from the start.
. The combined Lance + BO2 with full buffs gives well over 100K DPS.
here, you see? we are not talking about a 1 shot kill, it a 1 pass kill.it require more than 1 shot to kill
you will not one shot a full shield and hull ship with just the lance, fully buff or not.
if you do i want the video proof.
my point was not that you can't kill people, but that you will hardly 1 shot them.
Second point is that the ship still does well in dogfight mode, last arena I was in it got 7 kills and no deaths with third highest damage on a team of 10. It takes a lot of practise and complete synergy with your ship and environment, for example if I am tired I usually TRIBBLE up, there is little margin for error so in some ways you are on the right track.
i don't denied that you can't do something good with it, what i said, and that is just pure logic, is that you could have done better in that type of fight if you haven't sacrifice 2 console spot filled with some that only serve the lance.
in anycase we are still talking about a ship that can do a kill every 3 minute, and need you full attention and concentration to do a good job.
so as a captain, if i was given the choice ( dismissing my ship preference ) between an escort or a galaxy with bo3, considering that i would like to do the most kill more reliably, i will still choose an escort.
making BO an engineering skill is an absurd idea. making the torpedo skills engineering is slightly less absurd though. it would be helpful if all shields didn't have build in 75% resistance to kinetic damage though. cruisers should be torpedo boats, and that should be viable. the game is poorly designed when 8 beam arrays is the only real option, or a single cannon build on a few.
here, you see? we are not talking about a 1 shot kill, it a 1 pass kill.it require more than 1 shot to kill
you will not one shot a full shield and hull ship with just the lance, fully buff or not.
if you do i want the video proof.
my point was not that you can't kill people, but that you will hardly 1 shot them.
Matt, I don't think Neo understands the combo. :P
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I have been One-shot by the Lance with combo twice from a well played Dreadnought in PvP.
I think the Dreadnought is basically fine and plays well under a good build with an experience pvper at the helm.
It does take a good build though. Like all vessels in STO some builds will wprk and become a FOTM concept that sticks as proven, while most players just create any ol'build and expect victory without the tools to achieve it.
Some just like the look of the Dreadnought so much they refuse to use a better ship for thier purposes.
Full attention and control is always needed for PvP. Anything less and you are going to lose.
making BO an engineering skill is an absurd idea. making the torpedo skills engineering is slightly less absurd though. it would be helpful if all shields didn't have build in 75% resistance to kinetic damage though. cruisers should be torpedo boats, and that should be viable. the game is poorly designed when 8 beam arrays is the only real option, or a single cannon build on a few.
yeah, like i said i don't think it is a good idea either, not because one could think it would make escort obsolete ( i can't see that happening just by that ), but it could give more power to some escort or hybrid ship more than typical cruiser.
a combo, just like it name impli, is a combination of 2 actions.
1 shot = 1 action
combo = 2 action
combo is not equal to 1 shot.
so, i stand to my position, if you 1 shot a ship with just the lance, this ship have already sustained damage or debuff.
but since 3 years that i have played this game i have yet to see a galaxy x 1 shoting a ship that were at full shield and hull.
now if anyone said that this is something he can achieve, just post the video about it.
just like jadzia said when playing senator vreenak role:
not more words.....proof!
The Galaxy class should have more weapons consoles than the excelsior class and the enterprise C class ships
simple as that
And
like in canon TNG at the second encounter with the borg a Tactical version of the Galaxy
Call it the Mk-II and charge 25 $ for it cryptic , It will sell better than the scimitar , Add a fish tank to the fleet version and get a fleet module sale
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
a combo, just like it name impli, is a combination of 2 actions.
1 shot = 1 action
combo = 2 action
combo is not equal to 1 shot.
And point proven, you don't understand what the strategy is.
so, i stand to my position, if you 1 shot a ship with just the lance, this ship have already sustained damage or debuff.
And if you 1-shot a ship with just one dual beam bank, that ship must have pretty low health! Why on Q'onoS would you fire a weapon intended to kill in one shot, without buffs?
ps: sorry but one shoting shuttle don't count
Yup, I know that. Shuttles aren't ships, they're shuttles.
stardestroyer001, Admiral, Explorers Fury PvE/PvP Fleet | Retired PvP Player
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The Galaxy class should have more weapons consoles than the excelsior class and the enterprise C class ships
simple as that
And
like in canon TNG at the second encounter with the borg a Tactical version of the Galaxy
Call it the Mk-II and charge 25 $ for it cryptic , It will sell better than the scimitar , Add a fish tank to the fleet version and get a fleet module sale
These posts are my favs...
That tactical version from the Borg encounter, I'm guessing it comes with a "Data" console that puts Borg to sleep and makes PvE even more rofleasy...
And point proven, you don't understand what the strategy is.)
and what exactly in my last post proove to you that i don't anderstand that you are speaking about a 1 pass kill? hm?
just don't call it a 1 shot kill, that my point.
what is it difficult to anderstand about it?
in any case if there anything you think i do not anderstand, please explain.
And if you 1-shot a ship with just one dual beam bank, that ship must have pretty low health!
that was the point i am making with the lance since the beguining, and that, buff or no buff
Why on Q'onoS would you fire a weapon intended to kill in one shot, without buffs?
don't make me said something that i didn't.
the damage or debuff are not your own, the ship could have been sensor scan or any other debuff that do not come from your ship, and these ading to your could explain, with a crit, that you end up with a one shot kill.
Yep you are mostly correct there, it's really a 4 min kill if you want to be sure with Tac Fleet too, or is that 5 min, I forget. But for your last point I think it's only valid if you have just one toon. I have two bug ships, and a host of other escorts, cruisers etc all on different toons and all specced precisely for that ship. I fly the Gal-X and pop people for the gob smacked reactions it gets, it's also very leisurely waiting around for the CDs to disappear, go get a coffee, walk the dog lol, far different from the frenetic pace of flying a bug ship or other escort without a cloak. Different days, different moods, different toons and ships.
yes, we are agree, galaxy x and escort have different pro and con, and you have to choose the one that suit better your playstyle because they are different "animals".
yes, and why use the exelsior and the ambassador at all?
because the exelsior have been replace with the ambassador wich then have been replace with the galaxy, well you known, it is just basic star trek history facts...
you known star trek don't you? kirk, spock, picard, do these name tell you something?
at 40, the class isn't even middle aged yet, the replacement adessy is frankly 20 years ahead of scheduled. if you apply the basic workings of phaser arrays to all the fed ships in sto, there is STILL no ship that would yet outgun a properly upgraded galaxy.
Just because the ship it self is a 40 year old design does not mean it is running on 40 year old tech. You can have a old shell design with totally new guts.
Take the excelsior. Trust me it is not running on the tech it was first designed with.
Okay to go over why use a super old design? A few people have argued the Iowa versus modern ships. But the way war is fought at all has made and kept them obsolete.
What will illustrate things is the B-52 bomber. When it was made they put in all the best they new at the time of how physics worked. Those rules of physics have not changed. It still flys and is functional. How many times have they tried to replace it with a newer plane? Oh once every 5-10 years. Each new plane has it's new and cool, but the pickup truck of bombers can do more or carry more.
So let's compare. All the way to TNG Farpoint, what brought Admiral McCoy out to the Enterprise? An Excelsior, the frame is still functional. The attempted replacement for that ship, the Ambassador was using newer tech and was bigger, but some how missed the points it needed. So they phased it out. In comes the Galaxy. Built for very different circumstances it begins to take jobs away from the Excelsior as it just does them better. And as Scotty noted in Relics. "Where have ya put me?" "These are standard visitors quarters, I can put you in something larger if you require." "Larger? In my day an admiral would not get these appointments."
The galaxy class has comfort. Look at Stiles/Sulu's cabin on Excelsior. They use them as closets by TNG.
And for most of the show it seems to be the cutting edge ship of the Federation. But in the last episode where Riker arrives with his dreadnaughted Enterprise. He saved the Enterprise from being scrapped because he was an admiral. A ship that was intended for 100+ years of service was to be scrapped in what 20? Sounds like the Federation was not very happy with the design after all.
Now look back at that clip of the Enterprise showing her firepower.
Blew holes in a cube. Cube then healed and began slicing the helpless Enterprise up like a turkey. Saved by better fire power? No. Q sent them home.
Defending Enterprise C she takes on three B'rel and kills one. And the remaining two blowup the Enterprise D. Saved by cunning firepower or durability? Nope timeline changed by Enterprise C.
Oh and ships other than the Oddessy have been shown dying. Yamato killed by Iconian virus. Unknown galaxy blown up when cube destroyed in First Contact. Enterprise D when a bird of prey gets to shoot through her shields. Did not do even as well as the Oddessy really.
I think the best fix to the Galaxy if it really needs one is give the base ship the separation console and give the refit an enhanced warp core only usable in Galaxy class ships. To show the improvements Geordi had done to the Enterprise.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
One major problem with this game is people keep trying compare RL to Star trek, this is a failure. As was those carriers that were brought into the game. Example in the tos universe, up to the movies of the tos universe, starfleet only had one ship design active. The constitution class starship. So already you theory about older ships and newer ones is blown out of the water.
Stafleet can not be compared to a RL military. The excelsior class starship was designed to replace the aging constitution class starship, well maintaining the defense of the Federation, as well as exploring. It did that job well, also it was extremely popular with star trek fans, so they kept using it. They used that ship design in TNG, and DS9. The galaxy class starship was the first starship with excellent combat capabilities, but also had the uniqueness to have a large support base for science, and exploration. It also had the ability to support evacuations, or support in a humanitarian form. That list alone would allow this ship to be active and in use in this time line. Also it was the first starship to represent what the federation was all about. Previously starfleet had cruisers, escorts/miranda class, and science ships. The galaxy was the first to combine all three into one. Why I said miranda is it outgunned a constitution class starship.
My point is this stafleet has always kept ships around that could fill many roles. As great as the constitution class starship was, it was at heart a patrol cruiser designed to protect the federation.
Back to the topic, I believe cryptic should improve the Galaxy, and make the LT commander spot a universal. Not just the Fleet, BUT ALSO the one in the c store.
Sorry not strawman because the analogy is how technology can grow but still be not sufficient to render previous technology obsolete.
Claiming an aircraft is nothing like a starship therefore a pointless gesture IS however a strawman argument as you missed the point.
From the Star Trek point of view the Excelsior is still a solid design that can't quite be phased out as it still operates as solid basis for better technology.
If you wish me to follow the logic that this is a game and thus trying to make an in universe justification is invalid then it is quite simple to point out that it is a game and they balance things based on how a manager decided to make a profit from it and not bother whining at all.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Okay to go over why use a super old design? A few people have argued the Iowa versus modern ships. But the way war is fought at all has made and kept them obsolete.
What will illustrate things is the B-52 bomber. When it was made they put in all the best they new at the time of how physics worked. Those rules of physics have not changed. It still flys and is functional. How many times have they tried to replace it with a newer plane? Oh once every 5-10 years. Each new plane has it's new and cool, but the pickup truck of bombers can do more or carry more.
So let's compare. All the way to TNG Farpoint, what brought Admiral McCoy out to the Enterprise? An Excelsior, the frame is still functional. The attempted replacement for that ship, the Ambassador was using newer tech and was bigger, but some how missed the points it needed. So they phased it out. In comes the Galaxy. Built for very different circumstances it begins to take jobs away from the Excelsior as it just does them better. And as Scotty noted in Relics. "Where have ya put me?" "These are standard visitors quarters, I can put you in something larger if you require." "Larger? In my day an admiral would not get these appointments."
The galaxy class has comfort. Look at Stiles/Sulu's cabin on Excelsior. They use them as closets by TNG.
And for most of the show it seems to be the cutting edge ship of the Federation. But in the last episode where Riker arrives with his dreadnaughted Enterprise. He saved the Enterprise from being scrapped because he was an admiral. A ship that was intended for 100+ years of service was to be scrapped in what 20? Sounds like the Federation was not very happy with the design after all.
Now look back at that clip of the Enterprise showing her firepower.
Blew holes in a cube. Cube then healed and began slicing the helpless Enterprise up like a turkey. Saved by better fire power? No. Q sent them home.
Defending Enterprise C she takes on three B'rel and kills one. And the remaining two blowup the Enterprise D. Saved by cunning firepower or durability? Nope timeline changed by Enterprise C.
Oh and ships other than the Oddessy have been shown dying. Yamato killed by Iconian virus. Unknown galaxy blown up when cube destroyed in First Contact. Enterprise D when a bird of prey gets to shoot through her shields. Did not do even as well as the Oddessy really.
I think the best fix to the Galaxy if it really needs one is give the base ship the separation console and give the refit an enhanced warp core only usable in Galaxy class ships. To show the improvements Geordi had done to the Enterprise.
THe Ambassador actually did well having a 20 year rule. why the Excel seen so much well from late 23rd century to 2335 earliest where Ambassador takes over. that is a long production run just there and not to say it stop after that. Excel Miranda, and Oberth are the most produce ships in Starfleet history. thus why we see a good deal of them. at start of dominion war my opinion was 60% of Starfleet was Excel and miranada class thus you saw the bulk of them in the fleets. Note I figure 10 Galaxy's active at star of Dominion war so the fleets that didn't have Gals at the core had Ambassador's Which i figure maybe 30 of them active.
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The problem with making the Galaxy-X a decent battlecruiser style ship is that too many people already have it and would be satisfied with it enough to not bother buying any more fed cruisers. People wanting a better fed cruiser was a steady sales generator (at least until they started having this love affair with destroyers...how is the scimitar NOT a cruiser??!!)
if it wasn't obvious enought, i was speaking about pvp in my last post, not pve.
there you will be able to see where you tanking capacities stand and if your burst firepower is good enought.
you will not indefinitly plan ahead an enemy that is flying circle around you, and rarely, if ever you will see galaxy x there.
if you think you are doing a pretty good job with your galaxy i suggest you to go test it in arena, just for fun.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
that an hypothetical scenario that is very plausible, but their is absolutly no certainty that it will happen like that.it could be in fact a boost in their sell.
in any case, since cryptic already realize that at a certain point they will have to do a second pass on old ship, they better do it right, right from the start.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
I have a pretty good idea of what the ship is capable of after owning it for close to 3 years now.
here, you see? we are not talking about a 1 shot kill, it a 1 pass kill.it require more than 1 shot to kill
you will not one shot a full shield and hull ship with just the lance, fully buff or not.
if you do i want the video proof.
my point was not that you can't kill people, but that you will hardly 1 shot them.
i don't denied that you can't do something good with it, what i said, and that is just pure logic, is that you could have done better in that type of fight if you haven't sacrifice 2 console spot filled with some that only serve the lance.
in anycase we are still talking about a ship that can do a kill every 3 minute, and need you full attention and concentration to do a good job.
so as a captain, if i was given the choice ( dismissing my ship preference ) between an escort or a galaxy with bo3, considering that i would like to do the most kill more reliably, i will still choose an escort.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
in pve or pvp?
because the real challenge for this ship, is pvp.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Matt, I don't think Neo understands the combo. :P
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I think the Dreadnought is basically fine and plays well under a good build with an experience pvper at the helm.
It does take a good build though. Like all vessels in STO some builds will wprk and become a FOTM concept that sticks as proven, while most players just create any ol'build and expect victory without the tools to achieve it.
Some just like the look of the Dreadnought so much they refuse to use a better ship for thier purposes.
Full attention and control is always needed for PvP. Anything less and you are going to lose.
R.I.P
yeah, like i said i don't think it is a good idea either, not because one could think it would make escort obsolete ( i can't see that happening just by that ), but it could give more power to some escort or hybrid ship more than typical cruiser.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
a combo, just like it name impli, is a combination of 2 actions.
1 shot = 1 action
combo = 2 action
combo is not equal to 1 shot.
so, i stand to my position, if you 1 shot a ship with just the lance, this ship have already sustained damage or debuff.
but since 3 years that i have played this game i have yet to see a galaxy x 1 shoting a ship that were at full shield and hull.
now if anyone said that this is something he can achieve, just post the video about it.
just like jadzia said when playing senator vreenak role:
not more words.....proof!
ps: sorry but one shoting shuttle don't count
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
simple as that
And
like in canon TNG at the second encounter with the borg a Tactical version of the Galaxy
Call it the Mk-II and charge 25 $ for it cryptic , It will sell better than the scimitar , Add a fish tank to the fleet version and get a fleet module sale
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Yup, I know that. Shuttles aren't ships, they're shuttles.
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
These posts are my favs...
That tactical version from the Borg encounter, I'm guessing it comes with a "Data" console that puts Borg to sleep and makes PvE even more rofleasy...
When you're in a war for your survival (with the Klingons, Borg, Breen, etc.), you use what you've got.
I agree it's like these losers you see driving 40 year old Mustangs and Corvettes... What are they thinking??? Great point...
and what exactly in my last post proove to you that i don't anderstand that you are speaking about a 1 pass kill? hm?
just don't call it a 1 shot kill, that my point.
what is it difficult to anderstand about it?
in any case if there anything you think i do not anderstand, please explain.
that was the point i am making with the lance since the beguining, and that, buff or no buff
don't make me said something that i didn't.
the damage or debuff are not your own, the ship could have been sensor scan or any other debuff that do not come from your ship, and these ading to your could explain, with a crit, that you end up with a one shot kill.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
yes, we are agree, galaxy x and escort have different pro and con, and you have to choose the one that suit better your playstyle because they are different "animals".
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
yes, and why use the exelsior and the ambassador at all?
because the exelsior have been replace with the ambassador wich then have been replace with the galaxy, well you known, it is just basic star trek history facts...
you known star trek don't you? kirk, spock, picard, do these name tell you something?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
at 40, the class isn't even middle aged yet, the replacement adessy is frankly 20 years ahead of scheduled. if you apply the basic workings of phaser arrays to all the fed ships in sto, there is STILL no ship that would yet outgun a properly upgraded galaxy.
Take the excelsior. Trust me it is not running on the tech it was first designed with.
Okay to go over why use a super old design? A few people have argued the Iowa versus modern ships. But the way war is fought at all has made and kept them obsolete.
What will illustrate things is the B-52 bomber. When it was made they put in all the best they new at the time of how physics worked. Those rules of physics have not changed. It still flys and is functional. How many times have they tried to replace it with a newer plane? Oh once every 5-10 years. Each new plane has it's new and cool, but the pickup truck of bombers can do more or carry more.
So let's compare. All the way to TNG Farpoint, what brought Admiral McCoy out to the Enterprise? An Excelsior, the frame is still functional. The attempted replacement for that ship, the Ambassador was using newer tech and was bigger, but some how missed the points it needed. So they phased it out. In comes the Galaxy. Built for very different circumstances it begins to take jobs away from the Excelsior as it just does them better. And as Scotty noted in Relics. "Where have ya put me?" "These are standard visitors quarters, I can put you in something larger if you require." "Larger? In my day an admiral would not get these appointments."
The galaxy class has comfort. Look at Stiles/Sulu's cabin on Excelsior. They use them as closets by TNG.
And for most of the show it seems to be the cutting edge ship of the Federation. But in the last episode where Riker arrives with his dreadnaughted Enterprise. He saved the Enterprise from being scrapped because he was an admiral. A ship that was intended for 100+ years of service was to be scrapped in what 20? Sounds like the Federation was not very happy with the design after all.
Now look back at that clip of the Enterprise showing her firepower.
Blew holes in a cube. Cube then healed and began slicing the helpless Enterprise up like a turkey. Saved by better fire power? No. Q sent them home.
Defending Enterprise C she takes on three B'rel and kills one. And the remaining two blowup the Enterprise D. Saved by cunning firepower or durability? Nope timeline changed by Enterprise C.
Oh and ships other than the Oddessy have been shown dying. Yamato killed by Iconian virus. Unknown galaxy blown up when cube destroyed in First Contact. Enterprise D when a bird of prey gets to shoot through her shields. Did not do even as well as the Oddessy really.
I think the best fix to the Galaxy if it really needs one is give the base ship the separation console and give the refit an enhanced warp core only usable in Galaxy class ships. To show the improvements Geordi had done to the Enterprise.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Stafleet can not be compared to a RL military. The excelsior class starship was designed to replace the aging constitution class starship, well maintaining the defense of the Federation, as well as exploring. It did that job well, also it was extremely popular with star trek fans, so they kept using it. They used that ship design in TNG, and DS9. The galaxy class starship was the first starship with excellent combat capabilities, but also had the uniqueness to have a large support base for science, and exploration. It also had the ability to support evacuations, or support in a humanitarian form. That list alone would allow this ship to be active and in use in this time line. Also it was the first starship to represent what the federation was all about. Previously starfleet had cruisers, escorts/miranda class, and science ships. The galaxy was the first to combine all three into one. Why I said miranda is it outgunned a constitution class starship.
My point is this stafleet has always kept ships around that could fill many roles. As great as the constitution class starship was, it was at heart a patrol cruiser designed to protect the federation.
Back to the topic, I believe cryptic should improve the Galaxy, and make the LT commander spot a universal. Not just the Fleet, BUT ALSO the one in the c store.
Claiming an aircraft is nothing like a starship therefore a pointless gesture IS however a strawman argument as you missed the point.
From the Star Trek point of view the Excelsior is still a solid design that can't quite be phased out as it still operates as solid basis for better technology.
If you wish me to follow the logic that this is a game and thus trying to make an in universe justification is invalid then it is quite simple to point out that it is a game and they balance things based on how a manager decided to make a profit from it and not bother whining at all.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
THe Ambassador actually did well having a 20 year rule. why the Excel seen so much well from late 23rd century to 2335 earliest where Ambassador takes over. that is a long production run just there and not to say it stop after that. Excel Miranda, and Oberth are the most produce ships in Starfleet history. thus why we see a good deal of them. at start of dominion war my opinion was 60% of Starfleet was Excel and miranada class thus you saw the bulk of them in the fleets. Note I figure 10 Galaxy's active at star of Dominion war so the fleets that didn't have Gals at the core had Ambassador's Which i figure maybe 30 of them active.