As a lot of people have said PVP in the game does need improvement. It's currently OP in favour of the Klinks and I very rarely see any game where there isn't at least 2-3 BOPs with the enhanced battle cloak.
As with most aspects of the game, it is a learning curve and everything can be countered. Luckily my own setup is now good to the point that I very rarely die from any klink regardless of who or what they are flying.
This means it's a challenge, and that's what I like. I fly a Wells or a Galaxy X most of the time just for fun.
With regards to Ker'rat, yes it's open. But each side has goals to try and destroy the facility. It is in a lot of cases where the Klinks simply ignore this which is possibly what upsets other players.
I'd be quite happy if they were able to add a truly open PVP area and try to balance to some degree by the amount of players entering per instance.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
I disagree with pvp is OP in the KDF favor.
Both sides have thier strengths and both sides can field thier own version of devastating spam builds that when specialized can lockup an unprepared player in pvp by iether CC for the feds or Drain for the KDF.
Ehil? Dalnar...I see your fight against the evul KDF Minister of Propaganda continues...:D
The crucial point is that our Escorts must be healed at the right time in a prolonged clash, because they can't battle cloaking and disengage from the battlefield.
They need a tanking healer Cruiser doing the job, but we all know about the noobish "wanna be Kirk" complex.:o
Our UP Cruisers just can't compare with the powerful evul Battle Cruisers and all the brave Fed Tac Captains have to deal with the reality: you can't hit with a massive damage, it's a matter of fact your DPS can only tickle the enemy, so leave your ship to an Eng Captain and take an Escort for the sake of the Federation!
The UFP science vessels are very good when piloting by a skilled player and their magic is marvelous about debuffing a target, but they must act in synergy with the Escorts to be really effective in combat.
So, to answer the topic, the average and the lone Fed avoids the PvP queues being well aware of the fate that awaits him.
Teamworking and crosshealing are two words of critical importance for a group of Feds who want pugging against the evul Klinguns...but unfortunately in a pug this is almost impossible.:mad:
Much as the feds have better escorts versus KDF raptor or that the KDF cruisers are better for combat than the bulk of fed cruisers, feds perform better in premades than the KDF and the KDF does better in a pug.
Each has thier advantages and one must play to thier strengths to overcome the inherent disadvantages.
I don't consider my self a Feddie.. or a Fed.. not really..
I mean sure I have Federation Characters, and I will play them, but no, not a Feddie..
I've been glancing through some of this thread, and I have to say I find it interesting, at least in basics. Do you PVP in STO? Simple question really.
Obvious answer should be Yes, and the reason would be many but could boil down to it's fun. Even at the end of the day, whether it's Griefing, Griefers, Gankers, Spawn Camping, drag out brawls, strategic planned premades, or pug mades, it is fun.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Well Roach...the KDF isn't really OP in absolute terms, but it feels like that because the average and lone Fed player can't survive against your terrific sucking...ahem...power draining abilities and your awesome surprise alpha strikes.
But a skilled Fed like me know you are only the evul Klinguns, our vicious enemies to fight with all our strength!:P
Lol. Even I feel that way when I die to a well played vessel.
Doesnt mean said attacker was OP.
At some point the blame just falls down to be outplayed or outnumbeeed
After playing this game since beta, I'm about to start playing PvP. Just bought an AP setup for my Fleet Defiant. I've been using and all Tetryon setup which is great for PvE, but I heard not so great for PvP. Now, I'm going to get in and take my whoopin'.
Have you ever joined Instanced PvP(the Q's - vs Ker'rat)?
Yes I have.... but when i first started (Begining of F2P) i didn't know that it was PVP in Kerrat, so i thought that it was ComputerBot's that uncloked and killed me when I was trying to do the "mission".
When I later learned that this was actual players from KDF that uncloked and killed me in about 4 sec I just thought "What the hell?? So Im competing with invisible targets? This can't be right... But it was. There is no way in hell Im gonna even try PVP when battlecloak is there.
This is not what I call balanced. Rule nr 1. To be able to see your opponent.
And don't give me the speach about "There is feds with battle cloak". As long not everyone has battle cloak it's not fair play. End of Story
And because of the totally different ship setup from PvE you have a really deep intrest in PVP. And that cuts about 90% who just maybe once in a while would like to PvP.
This is just a part of the problem, there is "only" experienced people that PvP. Maybe have put months or years to perfect their ship.
And who the hell do you think after 3 PVP "tries" (when you start your char) gets blown up to smithereens time after time. And see that you only live about 3-4 sec.
First you don't see them ... and then you do.... and then you die!!! all in 4 sec ... FUN!!!! NOT!!!!!
Have you given up PvP?
What do you think?
You don't like PvP?
There is NO Player vs Player there is Player vs "There he is.. nope .. yes there.. nooo...ohh Im dead"
i started pvp as a fed. i have the best ships, best weapons, best consoles, etc. i can hold my own versus feds, but klingons are a lot tougher. as a fed in pvp i am on the winning team maybe 3 out of 10 times against klingons.
i recently started a klingon. i do not have the best of anything, but i can wipe feds out like they are nothing. as a klingon i am on the winning team probably 7 times out of 10 or better against feds.
so when i pvp as a fed, i fight feds. when i pvp as a klingon i will fight either faction.
klingons do pvp better. i guess it is just another balance issue.
The build you would want to fight Feds is not the same build you would want to fight KDF.
Though, with the Romulans coming, that should change. You'll want the same build you'd want for fighting KDF to fight Feds.
Which leads me to wonder if Cryptic is going to be selling the ability to run a second spec in the C-Store down the line - so people can run their PvE and their PvP builds for the same toon.
Yes I have.... but when i first started (Begining of F2P) i didn't know that it was PVP in Kerrat, so i thought that it was ComputerBot's that uncloked and killed me when I was trying to do the "mission".
When I later learned that this was actual players from KDF that uncloked and killed me in about 4 sec I just thought "What the hell?? So Im competing with invisible targets? This can't be right... But it was. There is no way in hell Im gonna even try PVP when battlecloak is there.
This is not what I call balanced. Rule nr 1. To be able to see your opponent.
And don't give me the speach about "There is feds with battle cloak". As long not everyone has battle cloak it's not fair play. End of Story
And because of the totally different ship setup from PvE you have a really deep intrest in PVP. And that cuts about 90% who just maybe once in a while would like to PvP.
This is just a part of the problem, there is "only" experienced people that PvP. Maybe have put months or years to perfect their ship.
And who the hell do you think after 3 PVP "tries" (when you start your char) gets blown up to smithereens time after time. And see that you only live about 3-4 sec.
First you don't see them ... and then you do.... and then you die!!! all in 4 sec ... FUN!!!! NOT!!!!!
What do you think?
There is NO Player vs Player there is Player vs "There he is.. nope .. yes there.. nooo...ohh Im dead"
Oh, 'not fair' is it? Perhaps you might have a point, if there weren't half-a-dozen ways of dealing with cloaked opponents, and another half-a-dozen ways of REVEALING them.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
This is not what I call balanced. Rule nr 1. To be able to see your opponent.
And don't give me the speach about "There is feds with battle cloak". As long not everyone has battle cloak it's not fair play. End of Story
No one would say Feds have Battle cloak, because they don't. They only have cloak via console. There's a difference. Know your enemy.
Enhanced Battle Cloak - auto-decloak/recloak when firing torpedoes, no shields while cloaked, allowed to cloak at any time (as long as they are not being tractored and not on cooldown), gets a turn and speed bonus
Battle Cloak - no shields while cloaked, allowed to cloak at any time (as long as they are not being tractored and not on cooldown)
Cloak - no shields while cloaked (but if they are fired on, they will automatically decloak with their shields up...it's impossible to hit their hull when this happens), can only cloak while out of red alert status
Again, Feds only have the latter. And not all KDF ships have any sort of cloaking capabilities. Sure, they have more ships with cloak, battle cloak, and enhanced battle cloak. But they all don't have it.
Oh, 'not fair' is it? Perhaps you might have a point, if there weren't half-a-dozen ways of dealing with cloaked opponents, and another half-a-dozen ways of REVEALING them.
Well that's my point... You have to play for a really long time, experiment, reading and have super knowledge about this "dealings". There is a handfull of PvE people that know what that is.
My point is that a PvE guy/girl does not have the intest in spending months of research just to get blown up 1000 times before you could survive 15-20 sec...
You have to know so much about alot of things just to get to the part "Maybe this is fun" stage.
It's very complicated. And it that's probably why it's fun for those who PVP.
But for the average guy/girl this is a big Fu..Off on that part.
Yes I have.... but when i first started (Begining of F2P) i didn't know that it was PVP in Kerrat, so i thought that it was ComputerBot's that uncloked and killed me when I was trying to do the "mission".
When I later learned that this was actual players from KDF that uncloked and killed me in about 4 sec I just thought "What the hell?? So Im competing with invisible targets? This can't be right... But it was. There is no way in hell Im gonna even try PVP when battlecloak is there.
This is not what I call balanced. Rule nr 1. To be able to see your opponent.
And don't give me the speach about "There is feds with battle cloak". As long not everyone has battle cloak it's not fair play. End of Story
And because of the totally different ship setup from PvE you have a really deep intrest in PVP. And that cuts about 90% who just maybe once in a while would like to PvP.
This is just a part of the problem, there is "only" experienced people that PvP. Maybe have put months or years to perfect their ship.
And who the hell do you think after 3 PVP "tries" (when you start your char) gets blown up to smithereens time after time. And see that you only live about 3-4 sec.
First you don't see them ... and then you do.... and then you die!!! all in 4 sec ... FUN!!!! NOT!!!!!
What do you think?
There is NO Player vs Player there is Player vs "There he is.. nope .. yes there.. nooo...ohh Im dead"
My point is that a PvE guy/girl does not have the intest in spending months of research just to get blown up 1000 times before you could survive 15-20 sec...
You have to know so much about alot of things just to get to the part "Maybe this is fun" stage.
It's very complicated. And it that's probably why it's fun for those who PVP.
But for the average guy/girl this is a big Fu..Off on that part.
That happened to all of us. There's nothing extra special about becoming effective in this game. It's way easier now then it used to be because you no longer have to hunt for info in the forums or research your own findings to learn how to play the game effectively. Becoming a master is another story.
It's not complicated to use a basic build and do well with it.
It just takes a bit of patience. Read my sig link, or here:
If half the feds out there stopped whinging and actually learned how to take the fight to the KDF they would find things much easier. Get a competent build, work together as a team, don't let taunts get under your skin.
It will be very interesting to See what they do with the Scimitar - in the move it could fire energy weapons while cloaked - so do they put an enhanced battle cloak on it like the B'rel?
And being as big as it is I would think a similar hull to the Jem Carrier - around 45k
Stahl said the Scimitar IS coming but sadly not at Launch.
Also the Fleet Mogai and Fleet D'deridex - each with around the low 40k hull 10 consoles and battle cloak should be interesting.
Normally Battle cloaking in a bop in combat can be risky - but with 60k hull maxed out - I don't think so any more.
Also with the traits for reduced cloaking cool-down for Romulans + all romulan boffs - you should be getting pretty close to Enhanced battle cloaking abilities on the Big ships!
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Easy answer. Hiding from the Klingons, because Klingons are vastly better at PVP.
You want to keep beating up on the Z-team? Keep playing KDF alongside all the other good PVPers.
... You want an *actual challenge* in PVP? Play Fed
As with most aspects of the game, it is a learning curve and everything can be countered. Luckily my own setup is now good to the point that I very rarely die from any klink regardless of who or what they are flying.
This means it's a challenge, and that's what I like. I fly a Wells or a Galaxy X most of the time just for fun.
With regards to Ker'rat, yes it's open. But each side has goals to try and destroy the facility. It is in a lot of cases where the Klinks simply ignore this which is possibly what upsets other players.
I'd be quite happy if they were able to add a truly open PVP area and try to balance to some degree by the amount of players entering per instance.
Both sides have thier strengths and both sides can field thier own version of devastating spam builds that when specialized can lockup an unprepared player in pvp by iether CC for the feds or Drain for the KDF.
R.I.P
Each has thier advantages and one must play to thier strengths to overcome the inherent disadvantages.
R.I.P
I mean sure I have Federation Characters, and I will play them, but no, not a Feddie..
I've been glancing through some of this thread, and I have to say I find it interesting, at least in basics. Do you PVP in STO? Simple question really.
Obvious answer should be Yes, and the reason would be many but could boil down to it's fun. Even at the end of the day, whether it's Griefing, Griefers, Gankers, Spawn Camping, drag out brawls, strategic planned premades, or pug mades, it is fun.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Lol. Even I feel that way when I die to a well played vessel.
Doesnt mean said attacker was OP.
At some point the blame just falls down to be outplayed or outnumbeeed
R.I.P
+1
I want PVP to count for more than just fun, challenge, dilithium, and post-match trash-talk
So you've considered how some of the new Romulan consoles will work in regard with the KDF consoles for the K-Roms, eh?
Yes I have.... but when i first started (Begining of F2P) i didn't know that it was PVP in Kerrat, so i thought that it was ComputerBot's that uncloked and killed me when I was trying to do the "mission".
When I later learned that this was actual players from KDF that uncloked and killed me in about 4 sec I just thought "What the hell?? So Im competing with invisible targets? This can't be right... But it was. There is no way in hell Im gonna even try PVP when battlecloak is there.
This is not what I call balanced. Rule nr 1. To be able to see your opponent.
And don't give me the speach about "There is feds with battle cloak". As long not everyone has battle cloak it's not fair play. End of Story
And because of the totally different ship setup from PvE you have a really deep intrest in PVP. And that cuts about 90% who just maybe once in a while would like to PvP.
This is just a part of the problem, there is "only" experienced people that PvP. Maybe have put months or years to perfect their ship.
And who the hell do you think after 3 PVP "tries" (when you start your char) gets blown up to smithereens time after time. And see that you only live about 3-4 sec.
First you don't see them ... and then you do.... and then you die!!! all in 4 sec ... FUN!!!! NOT!!!!!
What do you think?
There is NO Player vs Player there is Player vs "There he is.. nope .. yes there.. nooo...ohh Im dead"
i recently started a klingon. i do not have the best of anything, but i can wipe feds out like they are nothing. as a klingon i am on the winning team probably 7 times out of 10 or better against feds.
so when i pvp as a fed, i fight feds. when i pvp as a klingon i will fight either faction.
klingons do pvp better. i guess it is just another balance issue.
The build you would want to fight Feds is not the same build you would want to fight KDF.
Though, with the Romulans coming, that should change. You'll want the same build you'd want for fighting KDF to fight Feds.
Which leads me to wonder if Cryptic is going to be selling the ability to run a second spec in the C-Store down the line - so people can run their PvE and their PvP builds for the same toon.
Oh, 'not fair' is it? Perhaps you might have a point, if there weren't half-a-dozen ways of dealing with cloaked opponents, and another half-a-dozen ways of REVEALING them.
Enhanced Battle Cloak - auto-decloak/recloak when firing torpedoes, no shields while cloaked, allowed to cloak at any time (as long as they are not being tractored and not on cooldown), gets a turn and speed bonus
Battle Cloak - no shields while cloaked, allowed to cloak at any time (as long as they are not being tractored and not on cooldown)
Cloak - no shields while cloaked (but if they are fired on, they will automatically decloak with their shields up...it's impossible to hit their hull when this happens), can only cloak while out of red alert status
Again, Feds only have the latter. And not all KDF ships have any sort of cloaking capabilities. Sure, they have more ships with cloak, battle cloak, and enhanced battle cloak. But they all don't have it.
Well that's my point... You have to play for a really long time, experiment, reading and have super knowledge about this "dealings". There is a handfull of PvE people that know what that is.
My point is that a PvE guy/girl does not have the intest in spending months of research just to get blown up 1000 times before you could survive 15-20 sec...
You have to know so much about alot of things just to get to the part "Maybe this is fun" stage.
It's very complicated. And it that's probably why it's fun for those who PVP.
But for the average guy/girl this is a big Fu..Off on that part.
R.I.P
That happened to all of us. There's nothing extra special about becoming effective in this game. It's way easier now then it used to be because you no longer have to hunt for info in the forums or research your own findings to learn how to play the game effectively. Becoming a master is another story.
It's not complicated to use a basic build and do well with it.
It just takes a bit of patience. Read my sig link, or here:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=427091
Very true. We KDF hate for a fed to die alone:P
R.I.P
http://i.imgur.com/8tCZVFg.jpg
See? It can be done.
I have sent plenty of klinks to Sto-vo-kor. If I return, I will continue this practice but this time as a mighty Romulan!
Veni Vidi Vici
Confucius says "A Panda is most dangerous when Sad".
And being as big as it is I would think a similar hull to the Jem Carrier - around 45k
Stahl said the Scimitar IS coming but sadly not at Launch.
Also the Fleet Mogai and Fleet D'deridex - each with around the low 40k hull 10 consoles and battle cloak should be interesting.
Normally Battle cloaking in a bop in combat can be risky - but with 60k hull maxed out - I don't think so any more.
Also with the traits for reduced cloaking cool-down for Romulans + all romulan boffs - you should be getting pretty close to Enhanced battle cloaking abilities on the Big ships!
Should be sweet:D