People log onto their KDF chars when they want to PvP. Simple as that. Same thing that happens in every single game that allows characters from multiple factions on the same server/shard. People PvP with characters from the faction that seems to have a slight edge.
The definition of a player as a "pure" fed or KDF player is absolute nonsense. I'd bet that 95% of players in this game are running both a Fed and a KDF char, especially those that started after the second char slot was restricted to KDF. So when you're So when you're queuing for PvP on KDf side, you can be sure that most people you end up teaming up with are "Feds" by your definition.
I know most KDF players have characters on both sides, but play 90% on their KDF toon or vice versa. Having a character on the other side does not take away from the fact that most players have a main that they sink the majority of their time into. That character defines the faction they play for, IMO. Admittedly, when the Romulans show up that may complicate the matter.
From what I have seen from playing both sides is that most Feds that PvP hit the FvF queues.
It's not that I avoid the FvK queues. It's just that, contrary to OP's experience, usually there's not enough Klingons lined up to do it. Basically, if I feel like doing an Arena, I don't care very much if it's Federation wargames or (preferably) Klingons for realz, but I queue both space Arenas, and settle for the one that comes up first. That's almost invariably the Fed one. So then the Klingons, sitting on the other end of the FvK queue, seeing they're just one Klink short of the instance starting, will suddenly see the number of queued up Feds drop dramatically. Cause I don't think I'm the only one who does it that way.
If I were to just queue FvKs, it could take twenty or thirty minutes before it comes up. Then what? I sit around twiddling my thumbs waiting for it? I can't do other stuff. I can't pop into an STF. I can't do a daily and be certain I'll be able to complete it. If I do other stuff and the PvP pop-up comes up, whatever progress I made in whatever else I did to pass the time evaporates, or I have hit Leave queue.
I think we need a type of PvP that can just start on short notice, no matter what. Sort of a queued warzone. Throw in NPC ships for one side or both. I'm thinking a PvP version of defend the starbase, possibly using actual fleet starbase (why not?) only with some drydocks sitting around it (mirror universe invasion style) spitting out NPC ships periodically, and NPC ships warping in with the defenders - maybe make them interactable so if you fly to their warp-in point (attacker) or drydock (defender) you can tell them to take wing and follow you - and just tool the strength of the NPC ships generated this way to offset whatever player numerical (dis)advantage you might have at the moment it spawns. Make it FvK with hopalong Rommies only, and maybe make it the only PvP map where fleet assets can be used (if using one of the teammates actual fleet starbase) and maybe then we'll have something fun.
Condescending and a little superiority complex. I just hope ur not a kdf PvPer so you don't give more bad rep to KDF. Yeah, that kind of language is the reason why Feddies avoid PvP like the plague. Fortunately, there are people like me that brush off ill lingo and keep PvPin' for you to stomp on . I can take the abuse, as long as I get better. Just so you know, the only advantage you have is you most likely have been playing this game longer than everyone
And there is nothing more challenging to a newbie or casual player than PvP in kerrat or in arena for that matter. PvE is so easy, you can do very well with fail builds. They are just not prepared for someone who has discovered a way to exploit abilities cool down with keybinding for optimal damage and survivability (yeah yeah, it's not a word, move on).
Anyways, it's not that feds are scared of a little challenge. That's far from the truth. People want balance. Newbies want to go against newbies, casual players against casual players. Learn together, hopefully amicably; and slowly come up with tactics to defeat each other. And this is difficult, each lockbox that comes out or new season launch, they bring in a game mechanic that breaks previous builds which veterans can adapt to very quickly but don't expect new blood and/or casual players to do the same.
At this point I'm not sure wheather you are serious or just pulling my leg?
What kind of language? What did I say that was harsh in any form? Evenmore to bring a bad rep. for the KDF??
You do realize that my post was refering to several statements made by another player stating that in order to improve STO :
1.The science class needs to be removed
2.The KDF needs to be removed
3.PvP needs to be removed
right?
I'm not that much into PvP. I PvP ocassionaly when I feel like it and I do it on both sides - Fed. as well as KDF. I don't consider myself amongst the best PvPers. I don't even try hard to be, I just play for having fun and make ship setups that make me smile.
I never dissed or insulted any other person in STO regardless wheater it's PvP or PvE. I always try to be helpfull and share my knowledge & experience with any new player asking something in zone chat or in my PvP or PvE teams.
Please point out one place in my previous post where i even mentioned Fed.? I was not claiming that Feds. are afraid of challenges. I was refering to a single person that made those 3 unbeliveable statements.
But you on the other hand have lot of nerve making such ridiculous claims and assumptions about a person you have never met in game.
because 9 out of the 10 time's,they are cowards who need to spawn camp.
they always cloack, wich isnt fair,or do i need to bring a team of feds with all the cloack defiant and dread's to be on equal feet?
the baattle cloack cowards who stay always cloacked, when they finally decloack get TRIBBLE *****, and cloack again to go to the corner of a map,get away from there pc's to make a sandwich, and go back to earn as a freaking leech there stuff, say in zone: lolz you got pwnd! and leave to do it all over again.
they have an unstoppeble amount of assimilators, to make my first point even worse.
enough reasons? need more?
i only pvp fed vs fed, or a fleet pvp,
want suggestions?
make an option to get rid of the leeches,
yesterday i did a pvp, someone in a shuttle, and then they have the courage to say they oure team suck ( because we lost) and that he/she was smart to use a shuttle,i'm glad i got a team against me, who where kindly enough to only target that shuttle craft.\
i may sound a little pisst off,but that because i'm pisst off,pvp is screwed up by those kind of people.
because 9 out of the 10 time's,they are cowards who need to spawn camp.
they always cloack, wich isnt fair,or do i need to bring a team of feds with all the cloack defiant and dread's to be on equal feet?
the baattle cloack cowards who stay always cloacked, when they finally decloack get TRIBBLE *****, and cloack again to go to the corner of a map,get away from there pc's to make a sandwich, and go back to earn as a freaking leech there stuff, say in zone: lolz you got pwnd! and leave to do it all over again.
they have an unstoppeble amount of assimilators, to make my first point even worse.
enough reasons? need more?
i only pvp fed vs fed, or a fleet pvp,
want suggestions?
make an option to get rid of the leeches,
yesterday i did a pvp, someone in a shuttle, and then they have the courage to say they oure team suck ( because we lost) and that he/she was smart to use a shuttle,i'm glad i got a team against me, who where kindly enough to only target that shuttle craft.\
i may sound a little pisst off,but that because i'm pisst off,pvp is screwed up by those kind of people.
I am sure there are KDF on here that could set up a match for you with 5 players flying ships that don't have a cloak - would that be better? There are several ships the KDF uses that don't have a cloak.
Condescending and a little superiority complex. I just hope ur not a kdf PvPer so you don't give more bad rep to KDF. Yeah, that kind of language is the reason why Feddies avoid PvP like the plague. Fortunately, there are people like me that brush off ill lingo and keep PvPin' for you to stomp on . I can take the abuse, as long as I get better. Just so you know, the only advantage you have is you most likely have been playing this game longer than everyone
And there is nothing more challenging to a newbie or casual player than PvP in kerrat or in arena for that matter. PvE is so easy, you can do very well with fail builds. They are just not prepared for someone who has discovered a way to exploit abilities cool down with keybinding for optimal damage and survivability (yeah yeah, it's not a word, move on).
Anyways, it's not that feds are scared of a little challenge. That's far from the truth. People want balance. Newbies want to go against newbies, casual players against casual players. Learn together, hopefully amicably; and slowly come up with tactics to defeat each other. And this is difficult, each lockbox that comes out or new season launch, they bring in a game mechanic that breaks previous builds which veterans can adapt to very quickly but don't expect new blood and/or casual players to do the same.
When i pvp with my kdf, I queue/fly to kerrat with a temporal destroyer. This ship can't cloak and i don't need that ability anyway. I play with plenty of people using the Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey, or the voquv, which are free 9 console ships with vastly inferior stats.
When I fight feds, all i see is odysseys, kumaris, jem'hadar bugs, Tholian carriers, fleet defiants... Free 9 console ships? not so much. I also see many people using the supposedly "OP" KDF consoles on the fed side, via the lockbox trades. On the KDF side? Well, when there's a plasmonic leech and an aceton beam in the team, it's mine and not that many people use it.
So feds play with "OP" consoles, most of them fly ships with 20% superior stats, and when i engage the fed herds on kerrat, even if it's like 10 vs 2 I still have time to blow up 1 or 2 of them, often a lot more, even without cloak, most of the times, with my destroyer.
It's not about balance. Feds have the odds in their favour, they got the best escorts lately (kumari, fleet defiant, many people will open the bug on a fed char), they have the best sci ships, they will pay for +20% stats, consoles, but still, they lose.
At some point people might see that the problem is what they do and what they don't do instead of "balance". Balance is a convenient excuse for "I can't improve my gameplay". Do you even want to? If you don't, why?
I am sure there are KDF on here that could set up a match for you with 5 players flying ships that don't have a cloak - would that be better? There are several ships the KDF uses that don't have a cloak.
Since reading these pvp topics i did some matches and to be honest the only non-bop i saw in roughly 15-20 pvp matches was a dominion dreadnought.
Klingons spawn camping and advanced battle cloak are greatly annoying. Sure they can be countered pretty easy, but this doesn't change that they annoy and drive starting federation pvp players away.
Not even talking about the trash that's thrown into the zone chat.
I tested PVP, got more than my fair share of kills and ultimately decided i loath pvp and will not be returning in any matches against klingons.
Even when i get the romulan character with cloak i will not touch pvp against klingons with a 10-foot pole.
The gameplay is easy enough to overcome, but the attitude of klingon "elitists in their own mind" is a major turn-off.
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You either go against complete idiots that can't equalize shields, or you fight people that pop AA's like spots and bleed you dry in tedious builds. Do I wish it were different? Yeah, do I think it's their own fault for crutching up on cheese? Well yeah. Do I find it laughable that the FvK seems quieter, and do i think it's a bit ironic?
I'm sure you can answer that one for me. FvF & Kerrat satisfies me.
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I am a casual player. As others have pointed out, PvP proficiency takes time (builds, BOFFS, DOFFS, etc.) that I just haven't felt the need to put in. I have tried PvP on both sides and became space dust fairly quickly. I could improve, I'm a member of a fleet that has active PvP players that would help me. I just don't see the need. There isn't any incentive for a casual player like me to PvP so I stay out of the Qs and Kerrat.
I have had fun doing PvP in other games: Medal of Honor:Allied Assualt and seasonal events in Guild Wars. Both of these use a very simple game style that doesn't require a steep learning curve (maybe I'm just lazy ).
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You either go against complete idiots that can't equalize shields, or you fight people that pop AA's like spots and bleed you dry in tedious builds. Do I wish it were different? Yeah, do I think it's their own fault for crutching up on cheese? Well yeah. Do I find it laughable that the FvK seems quieter, and do i think it's a bit ironic?
I'm sure you can answer that one for me. FvF & Kerrat satisfies me.
Players use what they have, the fault lies with Cryptic. They actively made the KDF consoles better to "balance" the KDF not having as many story missions. Really. I'm not kidding. Its also why they have vastly superior Doffing. They even go ahead and say as much in a podcast. This type of thing NEVER works out, as we have seen.
I have had fun doing PvP in other games: Medal of Honor:Allied Assualt and seasonal events in Guild Wars. Both of these use a very simple game style that doesn't require a steep learning curve (maybe I'm just lazy ).
Its not laziness, its the fact you're not tied to just one game that you devote all your free time to. This is actually a good thing.
Players use what they have, the fault lies with Cryptic. They actively made the KDF consoles better to "balance" the KDF not having as many story missions. Really. I'm not kidding. Its also why they have vastly superior Doffing. They even go ahead and say as much in a podcast. This type of thing NEVER works out, as we have seen.
It's not uncommon to give some slightly better widgets to the unpopulated faction to draw in players.
It's not uncommon to give some slightly better widgets to the unpopulated faction to draw in players.
Its certainly worked. I have two max level KDF alts for farming Dil. Admittedly one was max level and geared pre-grind rampup, but still. And yet, I can't help but think that's not what Cryptic or the real KDF players want. I stopped considering myself a real KDF player the moment it became clear the new grinds just wouldn't let me keep up on my KDF tac so she became a Dil farmer... in Omega Force armor lol.
Most casual pvpers do not queue FvK, simple because it's commonly unfun (swarms of pets,drains, aceton spam etc). Can't blame them. But klingons can queue KvK....
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Most casual pvpers do not queue FvK, simple because it's commonly unfun (swarms of pets,drains, aceton spam etc). Can't blame them. But klingons can queue KvK....
And what is the point of this fake war? The war that cryptic is trying to ramp up/justify adding the romulans into?
Who cares why the feds do not que for FvK at this point in STOs existance?
The answers given are always the same and hold absolutely no substance considering 99% of the cheese the feds use as the excuse on the "why" is now availible to them as well ingame.
Its been excuses on why since before the game officially luanched before the KDF even had the so called cheese and the excuses will always exist as to why some find FvK bad wrong or otherwise.
I dont expect the "complaints" to ever change or have much in substance to lend credability to them.
I do not pvp for the same reason I generally avoid pvp in all mmos. At the core mmo pvp is designed around inequality. I have more gear than you, I have higher rep than you, I have a bigger x than you, and your performance in an individual match is more related to work you did outside of the match than what you did during it.
That can mean several, in this game it both relates to gear(either Mk XII or Zen) and the fact that this game is incredibly dense. It has a lot going on mechanically and as a player there are many small variations (Do I take rank 2 of skill x and rank 3 of Y, or 2 of Y and 3 of X, or what about skill z....), and the compare generic purple shields/engines to the Omega/Romulan items. Basically this means that a players activities beyond a match wildly dictate how they will do.
This learning curve is intrinsic to other types of pvp, whether it be a fps or MOBA, but at least in those games all players start off on an even footing. In particular I love Heroes of Newerth, and if I want competitive pvp action, I play that game. Because regardless of my knowledge of that game, I still have to go into a game and preform, because I start off the with exact same 600 gold and pool of heroes as everyone else does. It is a more fair and interesting environment.
2 things they do need to get rid off is Acetons and Adv power siphon drones
People spamming those in arena makes the match completely unfair for the Feds.
No amount of skills in insulators can overcome several acetons dropped + tons of flying adv siphon drones
I am 100% behind a major NERF to those things!!
put advanced interceptors (i'm totally convinced they're much worser than danubes!) and leech in there and you got my vote.
fvk can be much fun, until one of the mentioned comes in (one player with those toys is not really a problem, but more than one player f.e. spamming aa, etc.... ....).
Carry torpedoes. Aceton Assimilators will die quickly then. Drones? Use FAW or CSV.
Adapt and overcome, rather than nerf.
Or just warp out, if you can't take it.
...as said: one or two player with such toys are not that problem. but mostly there are more players than one spamming aa's f.e...... also one carrier with siphons is good to handle, but more than 2 starts to get freaky.... advanced interceptors are such as fast as me while using evasives and engbatts, shutting me down allday except during my apo-secs ^^....
sry man, but your toys are broken. that's the reason i come into fvk (if i do) on my klink (without spam!), or in my torp/mine-spam boat with a clustertorp out about every 16 secs ^^... only to be on par ...
I don't do much public pvp because the behavior in these matches is appalling. Federation and Klingon alike are a bunch of asses. I've been on the receiving end of some nasty comments whether I win or lose. It just seems like public pvp is where all the asses hang out and thus I avoid them. I do private matches and fleet pvp, but that's about it.
Carry torpedoes. Aceton Assimilators will die quickly then. Drones? Use FAW or CSV.
Adapt and overcome, rather than nerf.
Or just warp out, if you can't take it.
You misunderstand I was on the KDF side and the others were using all this cheese - I won't participate in spam filled cheese so i sat there.
There were 2 carriers - Adv Interceptors and drone siphons/aceton and another who was also dropping aceton. eventually they were dropping 3 aceton around the spawn point with drones interceptors and the 4th guy with tractors. Sorry that is just shooting fish in a barrel - After asking them not to do it with no response -I will put KDF players like that on ignore just for acting like bad sportsman.
Spam filled cheese and TRIBBLE like that should not be in PvP. There is no need for it and I want more Feds to play FvK - stuff like that will force them to warp out and not come back - as 1 Fed did and 1 never respawed.
Carry torpedoes. Aceton Assimilators will die quickly then. Drones? Use FAW or CSV.
Adapt and overcome, rather than nerf.
Or just warp out, if you can't take it.
Feds adapted, and do not queue KvF. Then KDF players complain about lack of feds queing for FvK. so make up your mind. Should they adapt or not ?
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Even I have to admit - when I'm on my Fed toons, FvF is more likely to provide a fun game. (In arenas, at least.)
I suspect the best answer is that all queues would be mixed. Not very canon, but more practical. (and we're all in Dominion ships anyway!)
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I know most KDF players have characters on both sides, but play 90% on their KDF toon or vice versa. Having a character on the other side does not take away from the fact that most players have a main that they sink the majority of their time into. That character defines the faction they play for, IMO. Admittedly, when the Romulans show up that may complicate the matter.
It's not that I avoid the FvK queues. It's just that, contrary to OP's experience, usually there's not enough Klingons lined up to do it. Basically, if I feel like doing an Arena, I don't care very much if it's Federation wargames or (preferably) Klingons for realz, but I queue both space Arenas, and settle for the one that comes up first. That's almost invariably the Fed one. So then the Klingons, sitting on the other end of the FvK queue, seeing they're just one Klink short of the instance starting, will suddenly see the number of queued up Feds drop dramatically. Cause I don't think I'm the only one who does it that way.
If I were to just queue FvKs, it could take twenty or thirty minutes before it comes up. Then what? I sit around twiddling my thumbs waiting for it? I can't do other stuff. I can't pop into an STF. I can't do a daily and be certain I'll be able to complete it. If I do other stuff and the PvP pop-up comes up, whatever progress I made in whatever else I did to pass the time evaporates, or I have hit Leave queue.
I think we need a type of PvP that can just start on short notice, no matter what. Sort of a queued warzone. Throw in NPC ships for one side or both. I'm thinking a PvP version of defend the starbase, possibly using actual fleet starbase (why not?) only with some drydocks sitting around it (mirror universe invasion style) spitting out NPC ships periodically, and NPC ships warping in with the defenders - maybe make them interactable so if you fly to their warp-in point (attacker) or drydock (defender) you can tell them to take wing and follow you - and just tool the strength of the NPC ships generated this way to offset whatever player numerical (dis)advantage you might have at the moment it spawns. Make it FvK with hopalong Rommies only, and maybe make it the only PvP map where fleet assets can be used (if using one of the teammates actual fleet starbase) and maybe then we'll have something fun.
At this point I'm not sure wheather you are serious or just pulling my leg?
What kind of language? What did I say that was harsh in any form? Evenmore to bring a bad rep. for the KDF??
You do realize that my post was refering to several statements made by another player stating that in order to improve STO :
1.The science class needs to be removed
2.The KDF needs to be removed
3.PvP needs to be removed
right?
I'm not that much into PvP. I PvP ocassionaly when I feel like it and I do it on both sides - Fed. as well as KDF. I don't consider myself amongst the best PvPers. I don't even try hard to be, I just play for having fun and make ship setups that make me smile.
I never dissed or insulted any other person in STO regardless wheater it's PvP or PvE. I always try to be helpfull and share my knowledge & experience with any new player asking something in zone chat or in my PvP or PvE teams.
Please point out one place in my previous post where i even mentioned Fed.? I was not claiming that Feds. are afraid of challenges. I was refering to a single person that made those 3 unbeliveable statements.
But you on the other hand have lot of nerve making such ridiculous claims and assumptions about a person you have never met in game.
because 9 out of the 10 time's,they are cowards who need to spawn camp.
they always cloack, wich isnt fair,or do i need to bring a team of feds with all the cloack defiant and dread's to be on equal feet?
the baattle cloack cowards who stay always cloacked, when they finally decloack get TRIBBLE *****, and cloack again to go to the corner of a map,get away from there pc's to make a sandwich, and go back to earn as a freaking leech there stuff, say in zone: lolz you got pwnd! and leave to do it all over again.
they have an unstoppeble amount of assimilators, to make my first point even worse.
enough reasons? need more?
i only pvp fed vs fed, or a fleet pvp,
want suggestions?
make an option to get rid of the leeches,
yesterday i did a pvp, someone in a shuttle, and then they have the courage to say they oure team suck ( because we lost) and that he/she was smart to use a shuttle,i'm glad i got a team against me, who where kindly enough to only target that shuttle craft.\
i may sound a little pisst off,but that because i'm pisst off,pvp is screwed up by those kind of people.
I am sure there are KDF on here that could set up a match for you with 5 players flying ships that don't have a cloak - would that be better? There are several ships the KDF uses that don't have a cloak.
When i pvp with my kdf, I queue/fly to kerrat with a temporal destroyer. This ship can't cloak and i don't need that ability anyway. I play with plenty of people using the Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey, or the voquv, which are free 9 console ships with vastly inferior stats.
When I fight feds, all i see is odysseys, kumaris, jem'hadar bugs, Tholian carriers, fleet defiants... Free 9 console ships? not so much. I also see many people using the supposedly "OP" KDF consoles on the fed side, via the lockbox trades. On the KDF side? Well, when there's a plasmonic leech and an aceton beam in the team, it's mine and not that many people use it.
So feds play with "OP" consoles, most of them fly ships with 20% superior stats, and when i engage the fed herds on kerrat, even if it's like 10 vs 2 I still have time to blow up 1 or 2 of them, often a lot more, even without cloak, most of the times, with my destroyer.
It's not about balance. Feds have the odds in their favour, they got the best escorts lately (kumari, fleet defiant, many people will open the bug on a fed char), they have the best sci ships, they will pay for +20% stats, consoles, but still, they lose.
At some point people might see that the problem is what they do and what they don't do instead of "balance". Balance is a convenient excuse for "I can't improve my gameplay". Do you even want to? If you don't, why?
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Since reading these pvp topics i did some matches and to be honest the only non-bop i saw in roughly 15-20 pvp matches was a dominion dreadnought.
Klingons spawn camping and advanced battle cloak are greatly annoying. Sure they can be countered pretty easy, but this doesn't change that they annoy and drive starting federation pvp players away.
Not even talking about the trash that's thrown into the zone chat.
I tested PVP, got more than my fair share of kills and ultimately decided i loath pvp and will not be returning in any matches against klingons.
Even when i get the romulan character with cloak i will not touch pvp against klingons with a 10-foot pole.
The gameplay is easy enough to overcome, but the attitude of klingon "elitists in their own mind" is a major turn-off.
You either go against complete idiots that can't equalize shields, or you fight people that pop AA's like spots and bleed you dry in tedious builds. Do I wish it were different? Yeah, do I think it's their own fault for crutching up on cheese? Well yeah. Do I find it laughable that the FvK seems quieter, and do i think it's a bit ironic?
I'm sure you can answer that one for me. FvF & Kerrat satisfies me.
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First time i was spawn camped by the klinks, second time was spawn camped by the klinks, gave up and went back to PVE.
I have had fun doing PvP in other games: Medal of Honor:Allied Assualt and seasonal events in Guild Wars. Both of these use a very simple game style that doesn't require a steep learning curve (maybe I'm just lazy
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Players use what they have, the fault lies with Cryptic. They actively made the KDF consoles better to "balance" the KDF not having as many story missions. Really. I'm not kidding. Its also why they have vastly superior Doffing. They even go ahead and say as much in a podcast. This type of thing NEVER works out, as we have seen.
Its not laziness, its the fact you're not tied to just one game that you devote all your free time to. This is actually a good thing.
It's not uncommon to give some slightly better widgets to the unpopulated faction to draw in players.
I wanted to get an idea and hear from the people who DON'T PvP and why.
People who DON'T PvP - mostly Fed players - are NOT going to visit the PVP forum.
ergo - this thread is now useless.
Thanks
I queue both really. I'm almost playing daily.
I'd like to see mixed faction queues with higher rewards. It would be fun to see different setups than usual.
Its certainly worked. I have two max level KDF alts for farming Dil. Admittedly one was max level and geared pre-grind rampup, but still. And yet, I can't help but think that's not what Cryptic or the real KDF players want. I stopped considering myself a real KDF player the moment it became clear the new grinds just wouldn't let me keep up on my KDF tac so she became a Dil farmer... in Omega Force armor lol.
And what is the point of this fake war? The war that cryptic is trying to ramp up/justify adding the romulans into?
The answers given are always the same and hold absolutely no substance considering 99% of the cheese the feds use as the excuse on the "why" is now availible to them as well ingame.
Its been excuses on why since before the game officially luanched before the KDF even had the so called cheese and the excuses will always exist as to why some find FvK bad wrong or otherwise.
I dont expect the "complaints" to ever change or have much in substance to lend credability to them.
R.I.P
That can mean several, in this game it both relates to gear(either Mk XII or Zen) and the fact that this game is incredibly dense. It has a lot going on mechanically and as a player there are many small variations (Do I take rank 2 of skill x and rank 3 of Y, or 2 of Y and 3 of X, or what about skill z....), and the compare generic purple shields/engines to the Omega/Romulan items. Basically this means that a players activities beyond a match wildly dictate how they will do.
This learning curve is intrinsic to other types of pvp, whether it be a fps or MOBA, but at least in those games all players start off on an even footing. In particular I love Heroes of Newerth, and if I want competitive pvp action, I play that game. Because regardless of my knowledge of that game, I still have to go into a game and preform, because I start off the with exact same 600 gold and pool of heroes as everyone else does. It is a more fair and interesting environment.
People spamming those in arena makes the match completely unfair for the Feds.
No amount of skills in insulators can overcome several acetons dropped + tons of flying adv siphon drones
I am 100% behind a major NERF to those things!!
Carry torpedoes. Aceton Assimilators will die quickly then. Drones? Use FAW or CSV.
Adapt and overcome, rather than nerf.
Or just warp out, if you can't take it.
put advanced interceptors (i'm totally convinced they're much worser than danubes!) and leech in there and you got my vote.
fvk can be much fun, until one of the mentioned comes in (one player with those toys is not really a problem, but more than one player f.e. spamming aa, etc....
...as said: one or two player with such toys are not that problem. but mostly there are more players than one spamming aa's f.e...... also one carrier with siphons is good to handle, but more than 2 starts to get freaky.... advanced interceptors are such as fast as me while using evasives and engbatts, shutting me down allday except during my apo-secs ^^....
sry man, but your toys are broken. that's the reason i come into fvk (if i do) on my klink (without spam!), or in my torp/mine-spam boat with a clustertorp out about every 16 secs ^^... only to be on par
Low level PvP - yeah, sure. Everytime queues pops. FvK, FvF, Ker'rat. I do it. At lvl 50 I delete my toon and start from scratch.
You misunderstand I was on the KDF side and the others were using all this cheese - I won't participate in spam filled cheese so i sat there.
There were 2 carriers - Adv Interceptors and drone siphons/aceton and another who was also dropping aceton. eventually they were dropping 3 aceton around the spawn point with drones interceptors and the 4th guy with tractors. Sorry that is just shooting fish in a barrel - After asking them not to do it with no response -I will put KDF players like that on ignore just for acting like bad sportsman.
Spam filled cheese and TRIBBLE like that should not be in PvP. There is no need for it and I want more Feds to play FvK - stuff like that will force them to warp out and not come back - as 1 Fed did and 1 never respawed.
Feds adapted, and do not queue KvF. Then KDF players complain about lack of feds queing for FvK. so make up your mind. Should they adapt or not ?
I suspect the best answer is that all queues would be mixed. Not very canon, but more practical. (and we're all in Dominion ships anyway!)
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