Two things there will be always in the PvP forum...Fed who complaint (I'm one of them!) and the bothered replay of Roach!:cool:
Im not bothered by the comments of some feds at all, just no longer a believer that the complaints on "KDF unfairness" will ever end.
"The KDF has cloak and its an unfair advantage"
Viola, the feds got some cloaking vessels to use.
" The KDF consoles are too good"
Lo and behold the Devs are good to thier word and the KDF consoles hit the lockboxes so the feds can get them too.
For every complaint about KDF superiority the Devs have made something availible to attempt to balance said u fairness yet the feds still complain.
Frany I think those feds whom complain do so more from ego than anything consider that any valid imbalanced has been addressed or at least the attempt has be made.
Im not bothered by the comments of some feds at all, just no longer a believer that the complaints on "KDF unfairness" will ever end.
"The KDF has cloak and its an unfair advantage"
Viola, the feds got some cloaking vessels to use.
Luckily the KDF will get to see just how imbalanced fighting squads of cloak ships are next month when the Fed-Roms start using Rom ships.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
KDF players have played frequently against other KDF players in cloaked ships.
Really? I never would have guessed that - especially since, apparently, so few Fed PvPers.
My point was that the Feds who want to PvP will now have cloaking choices rather then just Defiant or Galaxy X. Let's be real here, no one considered a 9 console Galaxy X to be a major PvP player against 10-console foes.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Really? I never would have guessed that - especially since, apparently, so few Fed PvPers.
My point was that the Feds who want to PvP will now have cloaking choices rather then just Defiant or Galaxy X. Let's be real here, no one considered a 9 console Galaxy X to be a major PvP player against 10-console foes.
The Fleet Defiant is the hardest hitting ship in the game that has a cloak.
Off topic - but how do I increase my bop's defense % - right now I have 77.7% with max skills in manuvers + the Reman engine XII(only increase defense by 4%)
Luckily the KDF will get to see just how imbalanced fighting squads of cloak ships are next month when the Fed-Roms start using Rom ships.
Nah. It will be fine as we KDF already know the existing Cloaked tactics for combat and should be able to adapt to any new ones devised by the rommies.
Im not bothered by the comments of some feds at all, just no longer a believer that the complaints on "KDF unfairness" will ever end.
"The KDF has cloak and its an unfair advantage"
Viola, the feds got some cloaking vessels to use.
There are no ships with free cloak on fed side.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
And we Feds don't have the awesome battle and enhanced cloaks!:rolleyes:
Dalnar, probably you agree with me...Roach is the KDF Minister of Propaganda!:D
Roach is right in many things, but sometimes it feels like he lives in another universe where all these nasty feds abuse poor klingons, have op ships and every goodie, while the poor klingons are inferior in every aspect of the game.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Since the Devs redesigned the only two cloakers fedside to have an extra consoles slot to hold that cloaking device its not costing anything to use it and if you decide not to the vessels get an extra slot to use.
So hows it costing to use again?
Since the Devs redesigned the only two cloakers fedside to have an extra consoles slot to hold that cloaking device its not costing anything to use it and if you decide not to the vessels get an extra slot to use.
So hows it costing to use again?
Huh Roach ? All ships have same amount of console slots 9 or 10 for fleet. A fed cloak costs a console slot. So tell me, how does it not cost anything ?
KDF ships have free cloak with no compensation elsewhere, justified only by the RP factor.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Huh Roach ? All ships have same amount of console slots 9 or 10 for fleet. A fed cloak costs a console slot. So tell me, how does it not cost anything ?
KDF ships have free cloak with no compensation elsewhere, justified only by the RP factor.
I was under the belief that the Devs had given the defiantR an extra console slot to hold that cloaking device a long while back giving the vessel the ability without sacrifice or giving the option to not use the cloak at all and have an extra conse slot.
Guess I may be wrong.
So how does it suffer since you say it doesnt have that free cloak?
I was under the belief that the Devs had given the defiantR an extra console slot to hold that cloaking device a long while back giving the vessel the ability without sacrifice or giving the option to not use the cloak at all and have an extra conse slot.
Guess I may be wrong.
So how does it suffer since you say it doesnt have that free cloak?
You are right about what are you saying - partially. But you are missing the fact, that those ships with extra abilities (cloak, tachyon defence grid etc) had one console slot LESS to begin with...so they just got the same number of slots like other ships and console to equip should they wish it.
So right now, a defiant can use a cloak, but sacrficies one console for it. If I would drop to your level of rhetoric, it means that klingon ships have one hidden EXTRA console slot, that is always occupied with cloaking device. But I understand that does not sound very well for your "kdf ships are underpowered" propaganda.
So please, do not repeat that bull**** that fed ships have "free" cloak, and "extra" console slots. Because it's actually the opposite. I understand you are the minister of kdf propaganda, but perhaps checking the facts first would be a more wiser aproach.
With that said, I do not thing cloak is some iWin button. I'm just tired of the KDF propagandy claiming that feds got some extra, better cloak for nothing.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Tactical Escort Retrofit (T5 Defiant with Cloak - Fed Only)
Bridge Officer Slots (Seating changed)
Commander Tactical Station
Lieutenant Commander Tactical Station
Ensign Tactical Station
Lieutenant Engineering Station
Lieutenant Science Station
Weapon Slots
4 Fore
3 Aft
Console Mods
2 Engineering
4 Tactical
2 Science
Cloak
Regular, non battle, cloak
Last time i checked my dear Roach, 2+4+2 = 8
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
True enough.
To be fair give the DefR a free cloak and drop its turn to 15.
Or make the Qin have to burn a console slot for cloak and raise its turn to 17.
To hear the arguement one wpuld think the Defiant is suffering instead of being the better vessel it is in both mobility and firepower.
We can quibble over a 5 Tac console Qin and fairness later in light of the so called BS of how the Defiant is suffering for its cloak.
True enough.
To be fair give the DefR a free cloak and drop its turn to 15.
Or make the Qin have to burn a console slot for cloak and raise its turn to 17.
To hear the arguement one wpuld think the Defiant is suffering instead of being the better vessel it is in both mobility and firepower.
We can quibble over a 5 Tac console Qin and fairness later.
Noone said, anyone or anything is suffering. I did just destroy your claim that feds get a free cloak. No more, no less.
The real problem is, KDF lacks a smaller, highly mobile escort type vessel with similar stats to defiant. I agree. But on the other hand, Fed side lacks some highly mobile DHC using cruiser as well.
Moral of the story. You can't have everything.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Dont want everything. Quite happy with the KDF having better battle cruisers and weaker escorts in comparison.
Very tired of hearing some feds crying about thier ships and how unfair they have been treated in comparison to the KDF. As if the feds are flying spacejunk and everyone else is rolling in style.
The feds are far from mistreated in STO.
Well...the evul KDF has the powerful Battle Cruisers and weaker Escorts while the UFP has stronger Escorts and silly pacifist underpowered Cruisers.
But the KDF has also the awesome Bop and the UFP has...uhm...cough cough...ahem...
You know...I'm the Fed Minister of the Truth!:D
The Andorian escort is as equal to a Tac BoP as any vessel and the DefiantR is still the best decloak Alpha Tac vessel the feds have ingame.
The feds are not suffering at all. Play to your strengths.
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Im not bothered by the comments of some feds at all, just no longer a believer that the complaints on "KDF unfairness" will ever end.
"The KDF has cloak and its an unfair advantage"
Viola, the feds got some cloaking vessels to use.
" The KDF consoles are too good"
Lo and behold the Devs are good to thier word and the KDF consoles hit the lockboxes so the feds can get them too.
For every complaint about KDF superiority the Devs have made something availible to attempt to balance said u fairness yet the feds still complain.
Frany I think those feds whom complain do so more from ego than anything consider that any valid imbalanced has been addressed or at least the attempt has be made.
R.I.P
KDF players have played frequently against other KDF players in cloaked ships.
It won't be as much of a steep learning curse as some would imagine.
My point was that the Feds who want to PvP will now have cloaking choices rather then just Defiant or Galaxy X. Let's be real here, no one considered a 9 console Galaxy X to be a major PvP player against 10-console foes.
The Fleet Defiant is the hardest hitting ship in the game that has a cloak.
Nah. It will be fine as we KDF already know the existing Cloaked tactics for combat and should be able to adapt to any new ones devised by the rommies.
R.I.P
I think its the best pvp ship in the game. Its pretty much a JHAS with alpha-strike capability.
Never have, never going to happen, and would simply stop playing if anything even remotely like nonconsensual PvP were ever introduced into the game.
There are no ships with free cloak on fed side.
Roach is right in many things, but sometimes it feels like he lives in another universe where all these nasty feds abuse poor klingons, have op ships and every goodie, while the poor klingons are inferior in every aspect of the game.
Since the Devs redesigned the only two cloakers fedside to have an extra consoles slot to hold that cloaking device its not costing anything to use it and if you decide not to the vessels get an extra slot to use.
So hows it costing to use again?
R.I.P
Huh Roach ? All ships have same amount of console slots 9 or 10 for fleet. A fed cloak costs a console slot. So tell me, how does it not cost anything ?
KDF ships have free cloak with no compensation elsewhere, justified only by the RP factor.
I was under the belief that the Devs had given the defiantR an extra console slot to hold that cloaking device a long while back giving the vessel the ability without sacrifice or giving the option to not use the cloak at all and have an extra conse slot.
Guess I may be wrong.
So how does it suffer since you say it doesnt have that free cloak?
R.I.P
You are right about what are you saying - partially. But you are missing the fact, that those ships with extra abilities (cloak, tachyon defence grid etc) had one console slot LESS to begin with...so they just got the same number of slots like other ships and console to equip should they wish it.
So right now, a defiant can use a cloak, but sacrficies one console for it. If I would drop to your level of rhetoric, it means that klingon ships have one hidden EXTRA console slot, that is always occupied with cloaking device. But I understand that does not sound very well for your "kdf ships are underpowered" propaganda.
So please, do not repeat that bull**** that fed ships have "free" cloak, and "extra" console slots. Because it's actually the opposite. I understand you are the minister of kdf propaganda, but perhaps checking the facts first would be a more wiser aproach.
With that said, I do not thing cloak is some iWin button. I'm just tired of the KDF propagandy claiming that feds got some extra, better cloak for nothing.
http://www.stowiki.org/Release_notes/20100727
Tactical Escort Retrofit (T5 Defiant with Cloak - Fed Only)
Bridge Officer Slots (Seating changed)
Commander Tactical Station
Lieutenant Commander Tactical Station
Ensign Tactical Station
Lieutenant Engineering Station
Lieutenant Science Station
Weapon Slots
4 Fore
3 Aft
Console Mods
2 Engineering
4 Tactical
2 Science
Cloak
Regular, non battle, cloak
Last time i checked my dear Roach, 2+4+2 = 8
To be fair give the DefR a free cloak and drop its turn to 15.
Or make the Qin have to burn a console slot for cloak and raise its turn to 17.
To hear the arguement one wpuld think the Defiant is suffering instead of being the better vessel it is in both mobility and firepower.
We can quibble over a 5 Tac console Qin and fairness later in light of the so called BS of how the Defiant is suffering for its cloak.
R.I.P
Noone said, anyone or anything is suffering. I did just destroy your claim that feds get a free cloak. No more, no less.
The real problem is, KDF lacks a smaller, highly mobile escort type vessel with similar stats to defiant. I agree. But on the other hand, Fed side lacks some highly mobile DHC using cruiser as well.
Moral of the story. You can't have everything.
Very tired of hearing some feds crying about thier ships and how unfair they have been treated in comparison to the KDF. As if the feds are flying spacejunk and everyone else is rolling in style.
The feds are far from mistreated in STO.
R.I.P
The Andorian escort is as equal to a Tac BoP as any vessel and the DefiantR is still the best decloak Alpha Tac vessel the feds have ingame.
The feds are not suffering at all. Play to your strengths.
R.I.P