The Andorian escort is as equal to a Tac BoP as any vessel and the DefiantR is still the best decloak Alpha Tac vessel the feds have ingame.
The feds are not suffering at all. Play to your strengths.
Ugh oh, and there I though the mighty and overpowered aquarius is the awesome BoP alternative of the fed side. I guess KDF needs one of those as well.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Let me present you with the all new and improved Tactical Escort Retrofit!
Patch notes for Season 2? We're about to hit "not Season 8" in a month!
/facepalm. You missing the whole point why I posted those original stats. :rolleyes:
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Yes. Verily I stand corrected. The DefR does not get cloaking for free.
Then again why should it?
It has a better turn and comes in variants with more Tac consoles, something the Qin does not possess.
Not to mention the DefR from the series had its cloaking device shoehorned in it after the fact. Possibly the added console given the DefR is meant to reflect that.
Ton for ton though it, and all fed escorts, are still better than the KDF raptors.
I can live with that.
Yes. Verily I stand corrected. The DefR does not get cloaking for free.
Then again why should it?
It has a better turn and comes in variants with more Tac consoles, something the Qin does not possess.
Not to mention the DefR from the series had its cloaking device shoehorned in it after the fact. Possibly the added console given the DefR is meant to reflect that.
Ton for ton though it, and all fed escorts, are still better than the KDF raptors.
I can live with that.
Maybe you should look on it from the other side. Why should Qin get better turn, when it does get a free cloak ? :P
Just compare fleet negh'var and fleet galaxy-r and you will get the answer to why.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Before I start, I will say it's been a while since I PvP'd versus Klingons, so some of this may no longer apply.
Back when the FvK Queues popped on a regular basis, I went in with my Engineer in a Patrol Escort. My job was to kill Birds-of-Prey. I didn't have any of the fancy C/ZStore consoles. I had put three points into +Stealth and +Sensors and would slot Mask Signature. When the fight would begin, I'd mask, and fly low/high behind my team, with power pumped into Aux and Weapons. Then I'd wait. The second a Klingon would uncloak to Alpha Strike one of my team mates, I'd respond in kind. Nine times out of 10 the BoP was vaporized, and I'd move on to the next target. Then as the other BoPs would Battle Cloak and try and flee, I'd pop an Aux Battery... Oh, look! There he is, damaged with most abilities on cooldown. Pop goes the Targ. After a few rounds of this, it started to turn into a space-borne version of "Silent Service." They'd get me, I'd get them. Cat-n-Mouse all over the place, and the BoPs would seem to be more hesitant on making attack runs if they thought I was around. Made for some fun times.
There's tools available that can help make the playing field a bit more level. Just have to use them...
Maybe you should look on it from the other side. Why should Qin get better turn, when it does get a free cloak ? :P
Just compare fleet negh'var and fleet galaxy-r and you will get the answer to why.
What does a cloaking device have to do with turn rate?
Check the many fed ***** threads and see I have supported a cruiser/battle cruiser turn buff.
Still why would the feds have no-drawback on a ship not built with cloaking but added after the fact while the Klingons have been building ships with cloaking for over a 100 years?
I still dont see the corelation between cloaks and turnrates.
KDF ships give up shield cap and regen for cloaking. Hull for turnrate (raiders anyway). Extra hull and shield loss and ensign boff loss for Uni slots.
KvK raiders vs raiders can be very fun imo. Tbh, the most fun I've had in a match recently was vs 4 good spike raiders while in my Sci B'rel w/3 other good players that ended 15-14. It's when the majority of ships are lotto ships that it diminishes the KvK feel and fun to me.
I'm hoping the uni slots are left to the kdf raiders and the rommies get partial unis w/5 boff slots and tailored console layouts. Sci oriented cruisers for the rommies vs kdf tac oriented bcs vs eng oriented fed cruisers to keep some distinction for faction cruiser tier. Fed escorts > rommie = kdf (though the gap could stand to be closed a little for the high end escorts). Fed Sci > rommie Sci > KDF Sci options.
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Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
KDF ships give up shield cap and regen for cloaking. Hull for turnrate (raiders anyway). Extra hull and shield loss and ensign boff loss for Uni slots.
KvK raiders vs raiders can be very fun imo. Tbh, the most fun I've had in a match recently was vs 4 good spike raiders while in my Sci B'rel w/3 other good players that ended 15-14. It's when the majority of ships are lotto ships that it diminishes the KvK feel and fun to me.
I'm hoping the uni slots are left to the kdf raiders and the rommies get partial unis w/5 boff slots and tailored console layouts. Sci oriented cruisers for the rommies vs kdf tac oriented bcs vs eng oriented fed cruisers to keep some distinction for faction cruiser tier. Fed escorts > rommie = kdf (though the gap could stand to be closed a little for the high end escorts). Fed Sci > rommie Sci > KDF Sci options.
The match in question. And agreed KvK can still be fun.
I'm hoping the uni slots are left to the kdf raiders and the rommies get partial unis w/5 boff slots and tailored console layouts. Sci oriented cruisers for the rommies vs kdf tac oriented bcs vs eng oriented fed cruisers to keep some distinction for faction cruiser tier. Fed escorts > rommie = kdf (though the gap could stand to be closed a little for the high end escorts). Fed Sci > rommie Sci > KDF Sci options.
"With an emphasis on the tactical use of potent abilities stemming from advanced Romulan technology, Romulan Warbirds are built to fight like the Romulans themselves - with a high risk, high reward style."
"Romulan ships tend to be large and heavy, making them somewhat slower and less maneuverable than comparable Federation and Klingon Defense Force ships."
"As a quick and mobile vessel, the T'liss may appeal to players who currently enjoy flying Raiders."
"Fast, but with moderate defensive capabilities, the Dhelan might be a good choice of ship for a player who currently likes the style of Escorts."
"With a solid mix of maneuverability, firepower, and defense, players might find the play style of the Mogai similar to a Destroyer."
"Extremely focused on defense, but capable of carrying heavy weaponry, the D'deridex will likely appeal to players who enjoy the current style of play of Battle Cruisers."
"The Ha'apax Advanced Warbird represents the latest developments in Romulan technology. Larger than even the mighty D'deridex, it has superior firepower and even greater hull strength. While slow to maneuver, the Ha'apax is a juggernaut on the battlefield, capable of withstanding tremendous damage while unleashing its weapons on its foes."
It tends to read more as bringing Raiders, Raptors, and Battle Cruisers to the Feds from the KDF than bringing anything...different to both sides.
"With an emphasis on the tactical use of potent abilities stemming from advanced Romulan technology, Romulan Warbirds are built to fight like the Romulans themselves - with a high risk, high reward style."
"Romulan ships tend to be large and heavy, making them somewhat slower and less maneuverable than comparable Federation and Klingon Defense Force ships."
"As a quick and mobile vessel, the T'liss may appeal to players who currently enjoy flying Raiders."
"Fast, but with moderate defensive capabilities, the Dhelan might be a good choice of ship for a player who currently likes the style of Escorts."
"With a solid mix of maneuverability, firepower, and defense, players might find the play style of the Mogai similar to a Destroyer."
"Extremely focused on defense, but capable of carrying heavy weaponry, the D'deridex will likely appeal to players who enjoy the current style of play of Battle Cruisers."
"The Ha'apax Advanced Warbird represents the latest developments in Romulan technology. Larger than even the mighty D'deridex, it has superior firepower and even greater hull strength. While slow to maneuver, the Ha'apax is a juggernaut on the battlefield, capable of withstanding tremendous damage while unleashing its weapons on its foes."
It tends to read more as bringing Raiders, Raptors, and Battle Cruisers to the Feds from the KDF than bringing anything...different to both sides.
keep hope alive :P
[Zone] Dack@****: cowards can't take a fed 1 on 1 crinckley cowards Hahahaha you smell like flowers
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
Maybe you should look on it from the other side. Why should Qin get better turn, when it does get a free cloak ? :P
Just compare fleet negh'var and fleet galaxy-r and you will get the answer to why.
If it was up to me I would buff Turn rates on Cruisers and Battle Cruisers like so (with corresponding inertia tweeks)
I figure Enertia is the key to keeping down fighter like zippyness. The C or BC may go turn a little faster but all that enrtia is still a factor and will cause turns to be as broad arcing unless throttle is used to control it.
I'm one of those folks that believes that it is not a case that Cruiser/Battle Cruiser turn/inertia needs to be buffed. I believe that Raider/Raptor/Escort turn/inertia needs to be nerfed. They're not little fighters. They're still big ships by comparison to fighters.
Also, much like Cryptic learned from their mistake with the Subterfuge trait - I can only hope that one day they realize that +Turn (etc) buffs should be flat buffs rather than percentages. Heck, I'd make that change first and then see if the Raider/Raptor/Escort actually needed to have anything nerfed. It's not so much the base turn as much as it is how high it can be taken and how long it can be kept there. Maybe if they ever fixed the 5s to be 5s instead of 15s too, eh?
It's not only about the turn rate Roach. Fleet negh'var has, better turn, dhc, cloak and on top of that universal ensign, compared to fleet g-r.
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I am started playing the game way before it went f2p. I als did pvp quite often( FvF and FvK), but since the f2p change it isn?t that much fun anymore. The amount of spam (mines, figthers) and certain special-consoles (on both sides) are just anoying. Nowadays i do it just for dilithium mostly. Same with Kerrat, i just go there for the daylie, that?s it.
If i do pvp i mostly go for the FvF queue also, cause the FvK is most of the time empty anyways and i don?t like to deal with the "Aceton Assimilator". On the bright side, most FvK pvp is quite fast done, so you get your daylie fast. Same with Kerrat doesn?t matter if you get killed several times if you just want to do it for the dil.
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I am started playing the game way before it went f2p. I als did pvp quite often( FvF and FvK), but since the f2p change it isn?t that much fun anymore. The amount of spam (mines, figthers) and certain special-consoles (on both sides) are just anoying.
Completely agree.
I played STO since open beta, quit and returned to STO several times after the pay to win...errr I mean free to play conversion, and the thing is, at the start PvP was quite fun. Sure some things were unbalanced (cruisers chaining reverse shield polarity, viral matrix disabling everything, etc.) but overall it was fun especially after they fixed those issues.
However after FTP whenever I returned to the game on several occasions and tried PvP, I found PvP had gone into a downwards spiral.
I ran into carrier spam with so many fighters it was near impossible to target the player controlled BOP's zipping in and out of cloak between them, the fighters leeching my energy causing me to drift helpless after a short while, then there were the escorts capable of blowing up my super tanky cruiser in a matter of seconds in an amazing alpha strike.
Add to this the total lack of any PvP improvements in terms of new maps or mechanics that I am aware of, and now that I've returned to the game for the upcoming Romulan expansion PvP is simply not on my mind, which is a shame as I usually love PvP and do it in every other MMO.
It's not only about the turn rate Roach. Fleet negh'var has, better turn, dhc, cloak and on top of that universal ensign, compared to fleet g-r.
I agree the turn is appalling but the cloak DHC complaint is irrelevant.
The galaxy class was never shown to have cloaking and never used cannons of any type in the IP. Though I do believe they can mount up to DCs.
The Dreadnought though does have cloaking, can mount DHCs and is only hampered by its poor turn rate.
I certainly dont see how a lack of a universal ensign could make it a poor vessel but if that and a turn buff makes it more fun, have at it.
I agree the turn is appalling but the cloak DHC complaint is irrelevant.
The galaxy class was never shown to have cloaking and never used cannons of any type in the IP. Though I do believe they can mount up to DCs.
The Dreadnought though does have cloaking, can mount DHCs and is only hampered by its poor turn rate.
I certainly dont see how a lack of a universal ensign could make it a poor vessel but if that and a turn buff makes it more fun, have at it.
It's not complain, it's a fact. I do not care about RP Roach. But ship stats budgets. If one ships gets so many goodies without any serious drawbacks, and it's faction mirror doesn't get anything in return, there is something wrong going on. I'm all for factions unique stuff and perks, but the overall stats must be "balanced".
DHC, Free cloak, +3 turn rate, and universal ensign are worth 1100 hps. Your Qin raptor looses -1 turn and gets 2k hps over patrol escort (its mirror).
Also, Dreadnought has no free cloak, just access to cloak console. It has free phaser lance, that does miss 8/10 times because of the poor implementation.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
KDF and RSE get free cloaks as per thier IP derived nature. Its a fact, and depending on the vessels small handicaps come with it.
Ok, so tell me, these small handicapts of Negh'Var compared to Galaxy-R :P I understand it is pretty hard to admit, that KDF ships get a free cloak, and most fed ships are hardly OP. But then again, it does not go well along with your, Feds are OP and have OP ship propaganda.
But at least you finally admit it is a free cloak, and it is not just some compensation for having underpowered ships so it is a start.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Oh and btw, no hard feelings. I'm sure when we see romulan ship stats, we both will be angry :P
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Ok, so tell me, these small handicapts of Negh'Var compared to Galaxy-R :P I understand it is pretty hard to admit, that KDF ships get a free cloak, and most fed ships are hardly OP. But then again, it does not go well along with your, Feds are OP and have OP ship propaganda.
But at least you finally admit it is a free cloak, and it is not just some compensation for having underpowered ships so it is a start.
Or you could recognize that the KDF has its advantages, and the Federation has theirs. . .as it should be. The Federation has the edge in escorts (not a huge one, but it is there), and they have a dedicated science ship line (complete with Fleet sci ships with a whopping 1.43 shield mod). They also have a bit more choice in terms of ships.
The KDF has the edge in cruisers (specifically, battlecruisers), and it has the carrier 'edge' (which is mostly restricted to its pets and maybe the Kar'fi) and the BoPs (which aren't as big of an edge as certain Feddies might claim). KDF raptors actually give up a few things for the cloak, and the BoPs give up a fair amount for the battlecloak and universal consoles.
The Federation has more than enough capabilities to handle KDF opponents. Federation sci ships are deadly in the right hands, especially with escort backing. They're also hard to friggin kill due to their shield tanking. Federation cruisers, while lacking in burst DPS (the main thing that distinguishes most of the Fed cruisers from KDF battlecruisers), can still tank and outgoing heal quite well.
Lastly, the regular cloak does one thing, and one thing only: It gives a first-strike advantage. This advantage is almost meaningless against competent groups of PvPers, due to the cross-healing. This first-strike advantage is unlikely to come up again in the same scrap. The only ships that truly rely on cloaks for anything are the BoPs, and they pay for it. BoP pilots also get to be very good at spotting weak points and exploiting them, they do NOT blast through defenses with a blunt hammer.
Feddies don't have a cloak. The Federation doesn't use cloaks as a matter of course. You won't GET 'free cloaks'. Deal with it.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Who said I wan't free cloak ? My whole point is that the "fed ships are OP" and "defiant has free cloak" arguments that are bull****. I couldn't care less about cloak myself, I do not even fly Defiant. I'm just always angry when someone complains that his raptor has -1 turn rate compared to some other fed escorts, when the klingon cruisers are two levels above most of the fed cruisers. And the "feds are op" argument just boils my blood :P
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Oh and btw, no hard feelings. I'm sure when we see romulan ship stats, we both will be angry :P
Absolutely no hard feelings.
As to handicaps, I can not say. KDF raptors are subpar to fed escorts in turn though they do have marginally more hull. This is fine by me as KDF battle cruisers are better than fed cruisers on average and it evens out in my opinion.
This is not to say that the cruiser/battle cruiser could not benefit from a bump in turn.
Which is really the only thing fed cruisers suffer under.
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Ugh oh, and there I though the mighty and overpowered aquarius is the awesome BoP alternative of the fed side. I guess KDF needs one of those as well.
Lately, I've been going to Ker'rat.
We KDF are fine. Dont need an Aquarius clone.
We already have BoPs.
R.I.P
FRoms 'n KRoms, eh?
What if it goes well? What's next?
FCards 'n KCards, eh?
And if that goes well as well?
FLib 'n KLib?
Then we're looking at the FGam/FDel 'n KGam/KGel?
LOL
Let me present you with the all new and improved Tactical Escort Retrofit!
Patch notes for Season 2? We're about to hit "not Season 8" in a month!
/facepalm. You missing the whole point why I posted those original stats. :rolleyes:
Then again why should it?
It has a better turn and comes in variants with more Tac consoles, something the Qin does not possess.
Not to mention the DefR from the series had its cloaking device shoehorned in it after the fact. Possibly the added console given the DefR is meant to reflect that.
Ton for ton though it, and all fed escorts, are still better than the KDF raptors.
I can live with that.
R.I.P
Maybe you should look on it from the other side. Why should Qin get better turn, when it does get a free cloak ? :P
Just compare fleet negh'var and fleet galaxy-r and you will get the answer to why.
Before I start, I will say it's been a while since I PvP'd versus Klingons, so some of this may no longer apply.
Back when the FvK Queues popped on a regular basis, I went in with my Engineer in a Patrol Escort. My job was to kill Birds-of-Prey. I didn't have any of the fancy C/ZStore consoles. I had put three points into +Stealth and +Sensors and would slot Mask Signature. When the fight would begin, I'd mask, and fly low/high behind my team, with power pumped into Aux and Weapons. Then I'd wait. The second a Klingon would uncloak to Alpha Strike one of my team mates, I'd respond in kind. Nine times out of 10 the BoP was vaporized, and I'd move on to the next target. Then as the other BoPs would Battle Cloak and try and flee, I'd pop an Aux Battery... Oh, look! There he is, damaged with most abilities on cooldown. Pop goes the Targ. After a few rounds of this, it started to turn into a space-borne version of "Silent Service." They'd get me, I'd get them. Cat-n-Mouse all over the place, and the BoPs would seem to be more hesitant on making attack runs if they thought I was around. Made for some fun times.
There's tools available that can help make the playing field a bit more level. Just have to use them...
What does a cloaking device have to do with turn rate?
Check the many fed ***** threads and see I have supported a cruiser/battle cruiser turn buff.
Still why would the feds have no-drawback on a ship not built with cloaking but added after the fact while the Klingons have been building ships with cloaking for over a 100 years?
I still dont see the corelation between cloaks and turnrates.
R.I.P
KvK raiders vs raiders can be very fun imo. Tbh, the most fun I've had in a match recently was vs 4 good spike raiders while in my Sci B'rel w/3 other good players that ended 15-14. It's when the majority of ships are lotto ships that it diminishes the KvK feel and fun to me.
I'm hoping the uni slots are left to the kdf raiders and the rommies get partial unis w/5 boff slots and tailored console layouts. Sci oriented cruisers for the rommies vs kdf tac oriented bcs vs eng oriented fed cruisers to keep some distinction for faction cruiser tier. Fed escorts > rommie = kdf (though the gap could stand to be closed a little for the high end escorts). Fed Sci > rommie Sci > KDF Sci options.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
The match in question. And agreed KvK can still be fun.
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http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=858671
"With an emphasis on the tactical use of potent abilities stemming from advanced Romulan technology, Romulan Warbirds are built to fight like the Romulans themselves - with a high risk, high reward style."
"Romulan ships tend to be large and heavy, making them somewhat slower and less maneuverable than comparable Federation and Klingon Defense Force ships."
"As a quick and mobile vessel, the T'liss may appeal to players who currently enjoy flying Raiders."
"Fast, but with moderate defensive capabilities, the Dhelan might be a good choice of ship for a player who currently likes the style of Escorts."
"With a solid mix of maneuverability, firepower, and defense, players might find the play style of the Mogai similar to a Destroyer."
"Extremely focused on defense, but capable of carrying heavy weaponry, the D'deridex will likely appeal to players who enjoy the current style of play of Battle Cruisers."
"The Ha'apax Advanced Warbird represents the latest developments in Romulan technology. Larger than even the mighty D'deridex, it has superior firepower and even greater hull strength. While slow to maneuver, the Ha'apax is a juggernaut on the battlefield, capable of withstanding tremendous damage while unleashing its weapons on its foes."
It tends to read more as bringing Raiders, Raptors, and Battle Cruisers to the Feds from the KDF than bringing anything...different to both sides.
keep hope alive :P
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
If it was up to me I would buff Turn rates on Cruisers and Battle Cruisers like so (with corresponding inertia tweeks)
I figure Enertia is the key to keeping down fighter like zippyness. The C or BC may go turn a little faster but all that enrtia is still a factor and will cause turns to be as broad arcing unless throttle is used to control it.
KDF Variants (and any associated subvariants*)
1 K'Tanco Battle Cruiser (13) no change
2 K't'inga Battle Cruiser (11) +1 = 12 turn
3 K't'inga Battle Cruiser Refit (11) +1 = 12 turn
4 Vor'cha Battle Cruiser (10) +1 = 11 turn
5 Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Refit (10) +1 = 11 turn
6 Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser (9) +1 = 10 turn**
7 Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit (10) +2 = 12 turn
8 Bortas Battle Cruiser (5.5) +2.55 = 8.5 turn
fed Variants (and any associated subvaraints)
1 Light Cruiser (11.4) no change
2 TOS Constitution Class Cruiser (11.4) no change
3 Cruiser (9) +1 = 10 turn
4 Heavy Cruiser (8) +1 = 9 turn
5 Advanced Heavy Cruiser (8) +2 = 10 turn
6 Exploration Cruiser (6) +2 = 8 turn
7 Assault Cruiser (7) +2 = 9 turn
8 Star Cruiser (7) +2 = 9 turn
9 Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (8) +1 = 9 turn
10 Dreadnought Cruiser (6) +4 = 10 turn
11 Exploration Cruiser Retrofit (6) +3 = 9 turn
12 Odyssey Star Cruiser (6) +3 = 9 turn
* for example the raptor has been called a cruiser escort hybryd and may get a small +1 buff to turn.
** On a mirror Universe Neghvar the bonus would be +0 and the turn would stay 9
R.I.P
Also, much like Cryptic learned from their mistake with the Subterfuge trait - I can only hope that one day they realize that +Turn (etc) buffs should be flat buffs rather than percentages. Heck, I'd make that change first and then see if the Raider/Raptor/Escort actually needed to have anything nerfed. It's not so much the base turn as much as it is how high it can be taken and how long it can be kept there. Maybe if they ever fixed the 5s to be 5s instead of 15s too, eh?
Don't forget Geko wants to do a Fleet Assault Negh'Var...Regent-like.
If i do pvp i mostly go for the FvF queue also, cause the FvK is most of the time empty anyways and i don?t like to deal with the "Aceton Assimilator". On the bright side, most FvK pvp is quite fast done, so you get your daylie fast. Same with Kerrat doesn?t matter if you get killed several times if you just want to do it for the dil.
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Completely agree.
I played STO since open beta, quit and returned to STO several times after the pay to win...errr I mean free to play conversion, and the thing is, at the start PvP was quite fun. Sure some things were unbalanced (cruisers chaining reverse shield polarity, viral matrix disabling everything, etc.) but overall it was fun especially after they fixed those issues.
However after FTP whenever I returned to the game on several occasions and tried PvP, I found PvP had gone into a downwards spiral.
I ran into carrier spam with so many fighters it was near impossible to target the player controlled BOP's zipping in and out of cloak between them, the fighters leeching my energy causing me to drift helpless after a short while, then there were the escorts capable of blowing up my super tanky cruiser in a matter of seconds in an amazing alpha strike.
Add to this the total lack of any PvP improvements in terms of new maps or mechanics that I am aware of, and now that I've returned to the game for the upcoming Romulan expansion PvP is simply not on my mind, which is a shame as I usually love PvP and do it in every other MMO.
Aid in leading the Romulan Star Empire back to its former greatness.
Join the Romulan Praetorian Guard and teach those epohh loving hippies what it means to be a true Romulan!
I agree the turn is appalling but the cloak DHC complaint is irrelevant.
The galaxy class was never shown to have cloaking and never used cannons of any type in the IP. Though I do believe they can mount up to DCs.
The Dreadnought though does have cloaking, can mount DHCs and is only hampered by its poor turn rate.
I certainly dont see how a lack of a universal ensign could make it a poor vessel but if that and a turn buff makes it more fun, have at it.
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It's not complain, it's a fact. I do not care about RP Roach. But ship stats budgets. If one ships gets so many goodies without any serious drawbacks, and it's faction mirror doesn't get anything in return, there is something wrong going on. I'm all for factions unique stuff and perks, but the overall stats must be "balanced".
DHC, Free cloak, +3 turn rate, and universal ensign are worth 1100 hps. Your Qin raptor looses -1 turn and gets 2k hps over patrol escort (its mirror).
Also, Dreadnought has no free cloak, just access to cloak console. It has free phaser lance, that does miss 8/10 times because of the poor implementation.
The Patrol Escort is mirrored by the Somraw raptor, not the Qin.
The Qin is the mirror of the Defiant.
I though where discussing the Dreadnought and GalX's though.
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Ok, so tell me, these small handicapts of Negh'Var compared to Galaxy-R :P I understand it is pretty hard to admit, that KDF ships get a free cloak, and most fed ships are hardly OP. But then again, it does not go well along with your, Feds are OP and have OP ship propaganda.
But at least you finally admit it is a free cloak, and it is not just some compensation for having underpowered ships
Or you could recognize that the KDF has its advantages, and the Federation has theirs. . .as it should be. The Federation has the edge in escorts (not a huge one, but it is there), and they have a dedicated science ship line (complete with Fleet sci ships with a whopping 1.43 shield mod). They also have a bit more choice in terms of ships.
The KDF has the edge in cruisers (specifically, battlecruisers), and it has the carrier 'edge' (which is mostly restricted to its pets and maybe the Kar'fi) and the BoPs (which aren't as big of an edge as certain Feddies might claim). KDF raptors actually give up a few things for the cloak, and the BoPs give up a fair amount for the battlecloak and universal consoles.
The Federation has more than enough capabilities to handle KDF opponents. Federation sci ships are deadly in the right hands, especially with escort backing. They're also hard to friggin kill due to their shield tanking. Federation cruisers, while lacking in burst DPS (the main thing that distinguishes most of the Fed cruisers from KDF battlecruisers), can still tank and outgoing heal quite well.
Lastly, the regular cloak does one thing, and one thing only: It gives a first-strike advantage. This advantage is almost meaningless against competent groups of PvPers, due to the cross-healing. This first-strike advantage is unlikely to come up again in the same scrap. The only ships that truly rely on cloaks for anything are the BoPs, and they pay for it. BoP pilots also get to be very good at spotting weak points and exploiting them, they do NOT blast through defenses with a blunt hammer.
Feddies don't have a cloak. The Federation doesn't use cloaks as a matter of course. You won't GET 'free cloaks'. Deal with it.
Absolutely no hard feelings.
As to handicaps, I can not say. KDF raptors are subpar to fed escorts in turn though they do have marginally more hull. This is fine by me as KDF battle cruisers are better than fed cruisers on average and it evens out in my opinion.
This is not to say that the cruiser/battle cruiser could not benefit from a bump in turn.
Which is really the only thing fed cruisers suffer under.
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