Good, now that we know who's the bad guy and who's the good guy, I can continue my evil deeds.
Here it comes:
1) the Negh'var is missing one aft weapon slot (as a good cruiser, he's got 4 front/4 aft weapon slots).
2) the Puyjaq raptor is listed with BoPs (raiders) and not with raptors.
3) you've omitted the free Birok skin for the Qin heavy raptor (I think all other free skins are listed on other ships).
4) the Phalanx sci vessel has mistakenly a fleet shield modifier of 1.32 listed. It should correctly be 1.2 as any non fleet Gorn vessel.
5) Euh, I guess you were doing the Orion FD cruisers late in the night, cause there's quite a bunch of mistakes: none should have subsystem targetting, none can equip dual cannons, all (non-fleet) should have a shield modifier of 1.0 and all have 1 hangar slot. The Corsair should have a hull of 32 500 and a turn rate of 7 (EDIT: probably wrong). (Now I see the wiki has lots of it wrong as well, will try to correct it. I'm sourcing my info from the C-Store, Spidermitch's many times scrutinised charts and common sense.)
Bu thank you very much for your work (otherwise I'd have nothing to nitpick about :P ).
EDIT: Oh damn, the Orion flight deck cruisers have crazy stats about everywhere, they're different on the C-Store, in the in-game store and everywhere else. As I don't have either of those ships (and don't really intend to get them), I'd try to rely on common sense. Unless someone owning the ships can tell otherwise. So here are some clarifications and changes to number (along with suggestions for as of yet not added orion ships) 5):
The Dacoit should probably have a turn rate of 9, The Corsair a turn of 8 (and Marauder 7). The Marauder should probably have a crew of 2000 (when you get around to add it). And the Fleet Corsair retrofit should have a shield mod of 1.1 and keep the Corsair's turn rate of 8 (the turn applies even for the other retrofit one).
Sorry for the mess, apparently it's all over the place. I'll try to clear out the wiki and bug report the nonsense in C-store and in in game store.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
LOL what a mess...
I'll correct it asap.
At some point one becomes blind to shortcomings when doing
this graphics again and again...
I guess the different stats could be a result from klingons,
who rather commit Hegh'bat than write documentations
LOL what a mess...
I'll correct it asap.
At some point one becomes blind to shortcomings when doing
this graphics again and again...
I guess the different stats could be a result from klingons,
who rather commit Hegh'bat than write documentations
Well, it's hard to get the right stats on ships only few use (they're not Tier 5, and speaking of Orion FDCs, don't offer any interesting console to use on other ships) and that clearly have wrong stats in their detailed descriptions.
Unless someone changed the wiki in the last hours, it should reflect the right stats (now that I've learned how to edit it, I might finally really contribute something ). Hopefully some bored dev will do a pass on both the C-Store info and the in game ship store and we'll know for sure what we're about to buy (that'd be really great).
In the meantime, good luck on your work, sorry for adding setbacks along the way.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
1) the Negh'var is missing one aft weapon slot (as a good cruiser, he's got 4 front/4 aft weapon slots).
2) the Puyjaq raptor is listed with BoPs (raiders) and not with raptors.
3) you've omitted the free Birok skin for the Qin heavy raptor (I think all other free skins are listed on other ships).
4) the Phalanx sci vessel has mistakenly a fleet shield modifier of 1.32 listed. It should correctly be 1.2 as any non fleet Gorn vessel.
5) Euh, I guess you were doing the Orion FD cruisers late in the night, cause there's quite a bunch of mistakes: none should have subsystem targetting, none can equip dual cannons, all (non-fleet) should have a shield modifier of 1.0 and all have 1 hangar slot. The Corsair should have a hull of 32 500 and a turn rate of 7 (EDIT: probably wrong). (Now I see the wiki has lots of it wrong as well, will try to correct it. I'm sourcing my info from the C-Store, Spidermitch's many times scrutinised charts and common sense.)
1) Negh'var fixed.
2) Puyjaq raptor moved.
3) There is no 2nd skin listed in the star ship selection, where I take the screenshots...
4) Phalanx fixed
5) Corsair and Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruisers fixed.
Wow, plenty new ships in the comparator. You're fast, Patarmarkan.
1) The Fleet Negh'var should also have the "dual cannons stamp".
2) The Fleet Norgh should have Battle cloak, not merely a regular cloak.
3) The Scourge retrofit should only have 9 consoles, since it's not the Fleet version. I'd guess it only has 2 sci console slots, but being not in game, I can't say for sure. (I'll update the wiki when i find out.) EDIT: Yes, the (non fleet) Scourge retrofit has 2 sci console slots. Updated the wiki.
4) I know it's kinda evident since they are in the carrier category, but it'd be nice if you added "1 hangar bay" to the Orion Fligh deck cruisers.
5) I'm afraid the Kar'fi, while the most manoeuvrable (2 hangar bay) carrier, can't mount cannons (Dual, dual heavy). I can test this to be entirely sure.EDIT 2: Ah, no. My bad. The Kar'Fi apparently can equip dual and dual heavy cannons. Please disregard this point.
Oh, and hello there, SpiderMitch.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
3) There is no 2nd skin listed in the star ship selection, where I take the screenshots...
Damn, I was so avid to check the newly added ships that I didn't really read your post.
Either way, the Birok class sure is a free option for the Qin (as Haj is for the Hegh'ta and Qu'daj is for the Negh'var), if it weren't, it would be the signature Fleet skin of the Qin (like the Tor'kaht for the Vor'cha).
For the sake of completion, I'll screenshot the mirror Qin in the Birok option without the mirror skin when I have time.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
1) The Fleet Negh'var should also have the "dual cannons stamp".
2) The Fleet Norgh should have Battle cloak, not merely a regular cloak.
3) The Scourge retrofit should only have 9 consoles, since it's not the Fleet version. I'd guess it only has 2 sci console slots, but being not in game, I can't say for sure. (I'll update the wiki when i find out.) EDIT: Yes, the (non fleet) Scourge retrofit has 2 sci console slots. Updated the wiki.
4) I know it's kinda evident since they are in the carrier category, but it'd be nice if you added "1 hangar bay" to the Orion Fligh deck cruisers.
5) I'm afraid the Kar'fi, while the most manoeuvrable (2 hangar bay) carrier, can't mount cannons (Dual, dual heavy). I can test this to be entirely sure.EDIT 2: Ah, no. My bad. The Kar'Fi apparently can equip dual and dual heavy cannons. Please disregard this point.
1) Hallmarked.
2) Indeed.
3) Scrapped a console...
4) Added the evident to the FDCs
5) ignored.
1) Sorry to bother you again with the Scourge retrofits, unfortunately, you "scrapped a console" on the wrong Scourge. Now the Fleet version shows 9 console slots while the non-fleet retrofit still has the 10 slots. :P
2) Just found out that the B'rel retrofit was incorrectly stating to have 21 000 hull on the wiki. I've updated it with the after-season 6 value of 22 500. Please do the same in the comparator.
3) And there was apparently a typo on the wiki for Qin heavy raptor's hull points: it's correctly 33 000, same as the mirror Qin, not the 33 300 you've also put in the comparator.
4) Not sure if its merely a problem on my side, but the "Corsair_Flight-Deck_Cruiser.jpg" keeps showing me the retrofit variant, meaning the retrofit is now in there twice while the C-Store Tier 4 Corsair is currently missing.
5) On FED side, you forgot to add the Support cruiser and the Support cruiser retrofit, AKA Ambassadors, only the Fleet one from starfish's chart is in the comparator right now.
EDIT: 6) Just a smallish mistake on the Fleet Kamarag, it should have 3 device slots, like all Kamarags (and I think battlecruisers in general).
Sorry for not catching 2) and 3) sooner.
Btw, great you added the "Dual cannons" stamp on FED ships as well.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I am not entirely happy at what has happened here. Patarmarkan, I agreed to allow you to use my original chart as I was under the impression you would be creating a program which allowed the comparison of existing charts, initially mine and Spidermitches.
What you have done instead, is take my design to re-create ships which Spidermitch has already made.
Spidermitch has also given you permission to use his own charts, but instead of using his chartss you have just recreated the other ships yourself using my design, and are not using his charts at all now. Furthermore, you are continuing to use Spidermitches stickied thread for seemingly no good reason. To add insult to injury you have credited him on the frontpage of your comparator, yet consigned a credit to myself (whose chart and layout you actually have used) behind another link!
I am obviously not happy about this situation at all.
You appear to be more than capable of creating your own designs, so I am confused as to why you have taken mine. You have now created so many of your own frames, why didn't you just come up with one of your own to begin with. I would 'encourage' you to create a layout of your own (as I suspect it would be very good) and create your own thread to accompany it.
I am not entirely happy at what has happened here. Patarmarkan, I agreed to allow you to use my original chart as I was under the impression you would be creating a program which allowed the comparison of existing charts, initially mine and Spidermitches.
Spidermitch has also given you permission to use his own charts, but instead of using his chartss you have just recreated the other ships yourself using my design, and are not using his charts at all now. Furthermore, you are continuing to use Spidermitches stickied thread for seemingly no good reason.
I see a couple reasons for that: Several people have used this thread to at least talk about possibly somehow continuing Spidermitch's work. Patarmarkan is in my opinion the closest to Spidermitch's charts right now in that he's trying to "collect" all ships there are. Also, I guess people continuing to respond to Patarmarkan in this thread made it all natural to keep to this thread.
Of course, I see no reason for Patarmarkan to not start his own thread about the comparator. But that's his decision. As is probably Spidermitch's decision to ask that the comparator discussion be moved elsewhere.
To add insult to injury you have credited him on the frontpage of your comparator, yet consigned a credit to myself (whose chart and layout you actually have used) behind another link!
The credits are all behind the link. What you consider a credit to Spidermitch is merely a link to the previous closest "incarnation" of the ship comparator.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I am not entirely happy at what has happened here. Patarmarkan, I agreed to allow you to use my original chart as I was under the impression you would be creating a program which allowed the comparison of existing charts, initially mine and Spidermitches.
What you have done instead, is take my design to re-create ships which Spidermitch has already made.
Spidermitch has also given you permission to use his own charts, but instead of using his chartss you have just recreated the other ships yourself using my design, and are not using his charts at all now. Furthermore, you are continuing to use Spidermitches stickied thread for seemingly no good reason. To add insult to injury you have credited him on the frontpage of your comparator, yet consigned a credit to myself (whose chart and layout you actually have used) behind another link!
I am obviously not happy about this situation at all.
You appear to be more than capable of creating your own designs, so I am confused as to why you have taken mine. You have now created so many of your own frames, why didn't you just come up with one of your own to begin with. I would 'encourage' you to create a layout of your own (as I suspect it would be very good) and create your own thread to accompany it.
Dear starfish1701,
I am really sorry, that you got a wrong impression of what my intension was.
Initially I wrote in my private message to you:
"Since I want to compare ships directly, I just wrote a php script to use it on my webserver.
It will allow you to compare two ships at a time."
I thought it would make it clear - maybe I was wrong, but you answered this way:
"Yes, by all means go ahead. Obviously I don't own the chart or its contents, I just assembled it."
So I thought everything was clear and shiny.
When I started, the plan was indeed to use parts of spidermitch's charts and I did
but I learned that the format did not fit to your charts and the informations partially
were out-dated.
I wanted to create a consistent appearance to make it easy to compare the ship's stats.
Since I really liked (and like) the way you assembled the information and considered it
logical (as a very known vulcan would state) I used that shape when I started to add
more ships. In fact, there are not many ways to assemble it in a way all informations
can be seen at a single glance.
I did not want to again invent the wheel from scratch while a really good one already
existed and I wanted to safe time, since a work like that easily can get a fulltime job.
The reason I use this thread is, that my work is closely related to spidermitch's work.
I wanted to do this in the very moment I used his charts for the first time.
The comperator is kind of an evolution/addition to the charts from both of you.
So I wanted to use this thread until this evolution was finished which was by
about now, since only a hand full of special ships are missing.
The reason spidermitch's name appeared on the frontpage was the fact,
that his website and therefore his charts were offline and I hosted them.
Spidermitch now has republished his work and I already removed the charts from the
main site and added a link to him into the hall of fame as well.
To create a design of my own at this point will imply to re-create the whole thing.
It is kind of logical as well to use in-game graphics for the layout as well so all I would
do is to change the arrangement - I consider this as pointless and again I would have to
touch every single ship.
At this point it feels kind of unfair that you didn't complain more early.
Of course you can revoke your permission to use your layout, but I rather will take the
whole thing offline and use my work for my own purposes only before doing it all over again.
This situation makes me sad, since I really like the way it is now.
So what do you want me to do?
For now I will take a pause updating the app until I get your answer.
I say just give credit on the front page to anyone whose work you used in any way, shape, or form and you'd be good. Love the website and will start using it regularly.
One week has passed since starfish1701's complaint and my answer to it.
Since he still didn't sent a reply to that I decided to continue my work and implement the suggestion of entnx01:
I say just give credit on the front page to anyone whose work you used in any way, shape, or form and you'd be good. Love the website and will start using it regularly.
So I removed the Hall of Fame, added its contents to the main page and continued to correct the flaws toiva found.
I hope I catched all bugs now.
Additional I added D'Kora, Galor and Tuffli with a new color scheme for x-faction ships.
Thanks for continuing, patarmarkan. Nice golden scheme, thankfully a Cardassian faction isn't anywhene near coming yet.
Just a suggestion: Maybe you could add to the D'Kora description that it also has a trader, dabo, exchange, mail and bank aboard.
I already feel stupid with this, but will you add the ambassadors or am I just unable to find them?
And lastly, you've given the B'Rel retrofit 25 000 hull, not the correct 22 500 hull.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Well, I got nothing more to say. As far as I can tell, it's all correct (no, I wasn't cross-checking every Tier 2 ships stats... :P ).
Now there are only the LB and Lobi ships missing and visual enhancements to be made (giving Jem'Hadar ships and the Orb Weaver the cross faction golden scheme). Giving the retrofit Kamarag battle cruiser the note "was limited time reward and no longer obtainable" like the retrofit Support cruiser has.
One aspect I wasn't mentioning was ship specific power bonuses (I.E. +5 power to all subsystems for most FED cruisers). Some are listed in the comparator (usually from starfish's chart), most aren't. It's up to you if you want to add them for all ships or not.
The reason I didn't bring this up earlier is that, while sometimes important, they are sort of second rate stats (with inertia values for example) that are not too easy to "handle". For instance I wouldn't believe wiki's statements on these stats (if they're even present, not always the case).
If you'll want to add ship power bonuses, I'll do my best to find them in-game and update the wiki, if not, well, I may get to update the wiki as well, sometime.
Overall, great work.
(And for the missing ships, maybe ask in a new thread, might catch some proud owner's attention.)
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Maybe I will add the power stats at a later time - but for now I want to take a pause
until the new romulan faction forces me to start again (or toiva when he finds new bugs)
I will announce the app with a new thread soon, leaving this one since the evolution is complete.
Maybe I will add the power stats at a later time - but for now I want to take a pause
until the new Romulan faction forces me to start again (or toiva when he finds new bugs)
I will announce the app with a new thread soon, leaving this one since the evolution is complete.
Congratulations!
Only one last detail (that I failed to notice before), the Breen Chel Grett warship is technically also cross faction, so the golden scheme would fit it nicely.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Has there been anyone that stepped up to replace SpiderMitch in making the ship carts? I seen the one by Starfish1 that was linked to a few pages back, but that's just the federation VA and fleet ships.
Has there been anyone that stepped up to replace SpiderMitch in making the ship carts? I seen the one by Starfish1 that was linked to a few pages back, but that's just the federation VA and fleet ships.
I fear not, at least not for now.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Just a quick note to let you know I was never angry about the use of this thread or of my charts. You, having contacted me, requested to use them initially and I'm glad they've helped you get a jump-start on your project. I understand the need to create a new thread of your own, and I'm really really glad someone has continued making such a great community resource. I've also seen the resources Starfish has made and I'm so thankful It certainly helps those like me that can't consistently keep up with all the new hot-rods in STO anymore to not feel so overwhelmed when stepping in for a few hours after being away for a bit... :cool:
Oh hey! you changed the name. Yeppers. I'm still around, whenever i can get a bit to jump on and go to warp. :P
Hey there. How are you doing? Still no itch to make a big green Romulan chart, eh? :P
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
FYI... the http://www.stoshipcompare.tk address is kind of hit and miss... mostly miss. It doesn't seem like it (either your name or the .tk domain in general) is being replicated to all DNS servers. Your original always works though.
Just thought I'd let you know.
Thanks.
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Good, now that we know who's the bad guy and who's the good guy, I can continue my evil deeds.
Here it comes:
1) the Negh'var is missing one aft weapon slot (as a good cruiser, he's got 4 front/4 aft weapon slots).
2) the Puyjaq raptor is listed with BoPs (raiders) and not with raptors.
3) you've omitted the free Birok skin for the Qin heavy raptor (I think all other free skins are listed on other ships).
4) the Phalanx sci vessel has mistakenly a fleet shield modifier of 1.32 listed. It should correctly be 1.2 as any non fleet Gorn vessel.
5) Euh, I guess you were doing the Orion FD cruisers late in the night, cause there's quite a bunch of mistakes: none should have subsystem targetting, none can equip dual cannons, all (non-fleet) should have a shield modifier of 1.0 and all have 1 hangar slot. The Corsair should have a hull of 32 500 and a turn rate of 7 (EDIT: probably wrong). (Now I see the wiki has lots of it wrong as well, will try to correct it. I'm sourcing my info from the C-Store, Spidermitch's many times scrutinised charts and common sense.)
Bu thank you very much for your work
EDIT: Oh damn, the Orion flight deck cruisers have crazy stats about everywhere, they're different on the C-Store, in the in-game store and everywhere else. As I don't have either of those ships (and don't really intend to get them), I'd try to rely on common sense. Unless someone owning the ships can tell otherwise. So here are some clarifications and changes to number (along with suggestions for as of yet not added orion ships) 5):
The Dacoit should probably have a turn rate of 9, The Corsair a turn of 8 (and Marauder 7). The Marauder should probably have a crew of 2000 (when you get around to add it). And the Fleet Corsair retrofit should have a shield mod of 1.1 and keep the Corsair's turn rate of 8 (the turn applies even for the other retrofit one).
Sorry for the mess, apparently it's all over the place. I'll try to clear out the wiki and bug report the nonsense in C-store and in in game store.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I'll correct it asap.
At some point one becomes blind to shortcomings when doing
this graphics again and again...
I guess the different stats could be a result from klingons,
who rather commit Hegh'bat than write documentations
Watch out for my Starship Comparator app at
http://ssc.levega.de or http://www.stoshipcompare.tk
Well, it's hard to get the right stats on ships only few use (they're not Tier 5, and speaking of Orion FDCs, don't offer any interesting console to use on other ships) and that clearly have wrong stats in their detailed descriptions.
Unless someone changed the wiki in the last hours, it should reflect the right stats (now that I've learned how to edit it, I might finally really contribute something
In the meantime, good luck on your work, sorry for adding setbacks along the way.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
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YEAHHHHHHHHHH
1) Negh'var fixed.
2) Puyjaq raptor moved.
3) There is no 2nd skin listed in the star ship selection, where I take the screenshots...
4) Phalanx fixed
5) Corsair and Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruisers fixed.
moving on...
Watch out for my Starship Comparator app at
http://ssc.levega.de or http://www.stoshipcompare.tk
1) The Fleet Negh'var should also have the "dual cannons stamp".
2) The Fleet Norgh should have Battle cloak, not merely a regular cloak.
3) The Scourge retrofit should only have 9 consoles, since it's not the Fleet version. I'd guess it only has 2 sci console slots, but being not in game, I can't say for sure. (I'll update the wiki when i find out.) EDIT: Yes, the (non fleet) Scourge retrofit has 2 sci console slots. Updated the wiki.
4) I know it's kinda evident since they are in the carrier category, but it'd be nice if you added "1 hangar bay" to the Orion Fligh deck cruisers.
5) I'm afraid the Kar'fi, while the most manoeuvrable (2 hangar bay) carrier, can't mount cannons (Dual, dual heavy). I can test this to be entirely sure. EDIT 2: Ah, no. My bad. The Kar'Fi apparently can equip dual and dual heavy cannons. Please disregard this point.
Oh, and hello there, SpiderMitch.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Damn, I was so avid to check the newly added ships that I didn't really read your post.
Either way, the Birok class sure is a free option for the Qin (as Haj is for the Hegh'ta and Qu'daj is for the Negh'var), if it weren't, it would be the signature Fleet skin of the Qin (like the Tor'kaht for the Vor'cha).
For the sake of completion, I'll screenshot the mirror Qin in the Birok option without the mirror skin when I have time.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I want to complete it before I have to add Romulans
1) Hallmarked.
2) Indeed.
3) Scrapped a console...
4) Added the evident to the FDCs
5) ignored.
Watch out for my Starship Comparator app at
http://ssc.levega.de or http://www.stoshipcompare.tk
I still need some screenshots though:
Tholian Recluse Carrier
Tholian Shuttle
Ferengi Shuttle
Temporal Science Vessel
Temporal Destroyer
Temporal Shuttle
Jem'Hadar Escort Carrier
The following I will take myself:
Cardassian Galor
Ferengi Marauder
Tuffli Class Freighter
Thats it... (or did I miss any ship?)
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2) Just found out that the B'rel retrofit was incorrectly stating to have 21 000 hull on the wiki. I've updated it with the after-season 6 value of 22 500. Please do the same in the comparator.
3) And there was apparently a typo on the wiki for Qin heavy raptor's hull points: it's correctly 33 000, same as the mirror Qin, not the 33 300 you've also put in the comparator.
4) Not sure if its merely a problem on my side, but the "Corsair_Flight-Deck_Cruiser.jpg" keeps showing me the retrofit variant, meaning the retrofit is now in there twice while the C-Store Tier 4 Corsair is currently missing.
5) On FED side, you forgot to add the Support cruiser and the Support cruiser retrofit, AKA Ambassadors, only the Fleet one from starfish's chart is in the comparator right now.
EDIT: 6) Just a smallish mistake on the Fleet Kamarag, it should have 3 device slots, like all Kamarags (and I think battlecruisers in general).
Sorry for not catching 2) and 3) sooner.
Btw, great you added the "Dual cannons" stamp on FED ships as well.
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Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
What you have done instead, is take my design to re-create ships which Spidermitch has already made.
Spidermitch has also given you permission to use his own charts, but instead of using his chartss you have just recreated the other ships yourself using my design, and are not using his charts at all now. Furthermore, you are continuing to use Spidermitches stickied thread for seemingly no good reason. To add insult to injury you have credited him on the frontpage of your comparator, yet consigned a credit to myself (whose chart and layout you actually have used) behind another link!
I am obviously not happy about this situation at all.
You appear to be more than capable of creating your own designs, so I am confused as to why you have taken mine. You have now created so many of your own frames, why didn't you just come up with one of your own to begin with. I would 'encourage' you to create a layout of your own (as I suspect it would be very good) and create your own thread to accompany it.
I understand I may not be welcome to intrude in this, but from the beginning, Patarmarkan's been mentioning using your "graphics" (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8475851&postcount=102) and use it on all ships.
I see a couple reasons for that: Several people have used this thread to at least talk about possibly somehow continuing Spidermitch's work. Patarmarkan is in my opinion the closest to Spidermitch's charts right now in that he's trying to "collect" all ships there are. Also, I guess people continuing to respond to Patarmarkan in this thread made it all natural to keep to this thread.
Of course, I see no reason for Patarmarkan to not start his own thread about the comparator. But that's his decision. As is probably Spidermitch's decision to ask that the comparator discussion be moved elsewhere.
The credits are all behind the link. What you consider a credit to Spidermitch is merely a link to the previous closest "incarnation" of the ship comparator.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Dear starfish1701,
I am really sorry, that you got a wrong impression of what my intension was.
Initially I wrote in my private message to you:
"Since I want to compare ships directly, I just wrote a php script to use it on my webserver.
It will allow you to compare two ships at a time."
I thought it would make it clear - maybe I was wrong, but you answered this way:
"Yes, by all means go ahead. Obviously I don't own the chart or its contents, I just assembled it."
So I thought everything was clear and shiny.
When I started, the plan was indeed to use parts of spidermitch's charts and I did
but I learned that the format did not fit to your charts and the informations partially
were out-dated.
I wanted to create a consistent appearance to make it easy to compare the ship's stats.
Since I really liked (and like) the way you assembled the information and considered it
logical (as a very known vulcan would state) I used that shape when I started to add
more ships. In fact, there are not many ways to assemble it in a way all informations
can be seen at a single glance.
I did not want to again invent the wheel from scratch while a really good one already
existed and I wanted to safe time, since a work like that easily can get a fulltime job.
The reason I use this thread is, that my work is closely related to spidermitch's work.
I wanted to do this in the very moment I used his charts for the first time.
The comperator is kind of an evolution/addition to the charts from both of you.
So I wanted to use this thread until this evolution was finished which was by
about now, since only a hand full of special ships are missing.
The reason spidermitch's name appeared on the frontpage was the fact,
that his website and therefore his charts were offline and I hosted them.
Spidermitch now has republished his work and I already removed the charts from the
main site and added a link to him into the hall of fame as well.
To create a design of my own at this point will imply to re-create the whole thing.
It is kind of logical as well to use in-game graphics for the layout as well so all I would
do is to change the arrangement - I consider this as pointless and again I would have to
touch every single ship.
At this point it feels kind of unfair that you didn't complain more early.
Of course you can revoke your permission to use your layout, but I rather will take the
whole thing offline and use my work for my own purposes only before doing it all over again.
This situation makes me sad, since I really like the way it is now.
So what do you want me to do?
For now I will take a pause updating the app until I get your answer.
Watch out for my Starship Comparator app at
http://ssc.levega.de or http://www.stoshipcompare.tk
Since he still didn't sent a reply to that I decided to continue my work and implement the suggestion of entnx01:
So I removed the Hall of Fame, added its contents to the main page and continued to correct the flaws toiva found.
I hope I catched all bugs now.
Additional I added D'Kora, Galor and Tuffli with a new color scheme for x-faction ships.
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Just a suggestion: Maybe you could add to the D'Kora description that it also has a trader, dabo, exchange, mail and bank aboard.
I already feel stupid with this, but will you add the ambassadors or am I just unable to find them?
And lastly, you've given the B'Rel retrofit 25 000 hull, not the correct 22 500 hull.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Watch out for my Starship Comparator app at
http://ssc.levega.de or http://www.stoshipcompare.tk
Now there are only the LB and Lobi ships missing and visual enhancements to be made (giving Jem'Hadar ships and the Orb Weaver the cross faction golden scheme). Giving the retrofit Kamarag battle cruiser the note "was limited time reward and no longer obtainable" like the retrofit Support cruiser has.
One aspect I wasn't mentioning was ship specific power bonuses (I.E. +5 power to all subsystems for most FED cruisers). Some are listed in the comparator (usually from starfish's chart), most aren't. It's up to you if you want to add them for all ships or not.
The reason I didn't bring this up earlier is that, while sometimes important, they are sort of second rate stats (with inertia values for example) that are not too easy to "handle". For instance I wouldn't believe wiki's statements on these stats (if they're even present, not always the case).
If you'll want to add ship power bonuses, I'll do my best to find them in-game and update the wiki, if not, well, I may get to update the wiki as well, sometime.
Overall, great work.
(And for the missing ships, maybe ask in a new thread, might catch some proud owner's attention.)
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
They are all in!
Maybe I will add the power stats at a later time - but for now I want to take a pause
until the new romulan faction forces me to start again (or toiva when he finds new bugs)
I will announce the app with a new thread soon, leaving this one since the evolution is complete.
Watch out for my Starship Comparator app at
http://ssc.levega.de or http://www.stoshipcompare.tk
Congratulations!
Only one last detail (that I failed to notice before), the Breen Chel Grett warship is technically also cross faction, so the golden scheme would fit it nicely.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I fear not, at least not for now.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=9257791
So I leave this one now.
Watch out for my Starship Comparator app at
http://ssc.levega.de or http://www.stoshipcompare.tk
Just a quick note to let you know I was never angry about the use of this thread or of my charts. You, having contacted me, requested to use them initially and I'm glad they've helped you get a jump-start on your project. I understand the need to create a new thread of your own, and I'm really really glad someone has continued making such a great community resource. I've also seen the resources Starfish has made and I'm so thankful It certainly helps those like me that can't consistently keep up with all the new hot-rods in STO anymore to not feel so overwhelmed when stepping in for a few hours after being away for a bit... :cool:
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Hey there. How are you doing? Still no itch to make a big green Romulan chart, eh? :P
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Hi, patarmarkan.
FYI... the http://www.stoshipcompare.tk address is kind of hit and miss... mostly miss. It doesn't seem like it (either your name or the .tk domain in general) is being replicated to all DNS servers. Your original always works though.
Just thought I'd let you know.
Thanks.
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