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spidermitch0spidermitch0 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
edited February 2015 in Federation Discussion
To all those that supported and used these charts:
I have enjoyed making these charts & contributing to the passion of this community. It's what's tied me to this game (in an unofficial capacity) and I've always looked at this project as a "labor of love." But moving forward, I don't think I can give the attention needed to continue making this resource - at least not in the capacity that everyone using it deserves. I used to keep track of the dev blogs and listen to podcasts, anticipating new ships as they came out (often showing on the shipcharts with "placeholders"). I was usually on tribble with the test ships AS SOON as they were available; those that weren't on Tribble, I'd beg others for screenshots of the latest and greatest ship. With time constraints on me and working two jobs just to make ends meet, I really don't think I can continue, no matter how much I wish I could. If it was a paid gig, then yeah! bring it on! but, as I said, it's always been a "labor of love" and sometimes, love just isn't enough. *sad panda*

Don't want to leave on a sad note though... I again want to thank everyone who's supported this project and gave me encouragement. Working on something like this for the better part of 2 years is a commitment I have enjoyed and held proudly. It's our love of Star Trek & it's ideals that unites us all - as a community and through our humanity, and I've learned so much through doing this for everyone.

Thanks & I'll see you all in the stars...



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STO FEDERATION Ship Tier Chart v8.1.8 (Updated 7/6/12)
  • Future FED chart changes:
    • Maybe change Oddysey subclass consoles to numeric (like the rest of the chart now)
    • Change angles on Exploration & Assault Cruisers to match the rest of the chart
  • Most recent FED Chart Changes
    • FED v8.1.8 (7/06/12):
      • Cleaned up alot of rows / text / etc...
      • Retrofit all ship silhouettes (HUDs) with Shield stats & Graphic
      • Replaced all impulse trails & added IMP ##
      • changed all console bars to single bar with numeric stat
      • changed Fleet Escort section title to Blockade Escort
      • changed MVAM Escort & Heavy Escort Carrier's HULL amount to new amount
    • FED v8.1.5 - v8.1.6 (6/17/12):
      • Added device slot count on the Adv Odyssey Just stuck it at the top for lack of better placing LOL :rolleyes:
      • Corrected prices of Lieutenant Commander FED ships, it is 15 000 dilithium, not 40k (thx Toiva)
      • Resized entire chart to accomidate for new VA tier column
      • Added Heavy Escort Carrier section with stats
      • Added new Shield UI HUD element and stat for Oddy, Atrox and Armitage
    • FED v8.1.3 - v8.1.4 (5/5/12):
      • Recreated Advanced Odyssey Cruiser section: moved Subclasses to the right, Broke apart all consoles, Changed color of console backdrops, & grouped with Subclasses
      • Add the Caitian Atrox Carrier LCARsish section & stats
      • Correct positions of some of the class lines
      • Correct Star Cruiser impulse stat (15)
      • Correct Tactical Escort - Retrofit impulse stat (20)
    • FED v8.1.2 (4/16/12):
      • Removed all Shuttles / Fighters (they are now on the SS Ship Chart - see below)
      • Replaced Odyssey pics (2nd year anniversary giveaway) with Odyssey Advanced Cruiser (c-store ship) pics
      • Modified Odyssey subclass config sections
    • FED v8.1.1 (3/29/12):
      • Added Subclass information to Odyssey Advanced Cruiser & Stat changes.
    • FED v8.1.0 (2/27/12):
      • Added Yellowstone section, stats, angles
      • Moved and corrected some stuff on Shuttlecraft row
    • FED v8.0.8 - v8.0.9 (2/20/12):
      • Revamped background of Cardassian Galor section
      • modified bkg of Magellan
      • Replaced all ship pictures of Advanced Escort, Fleet Escort, Star Cruiser, Recon Science Vessel, & Deep Space Science Vessel / all classes with newer HQ shots & angles. (still have Exp Cruisers & Assault Cruisers to go)
  • Link to Archived FED Chart Changes
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STO Shuttle & Special Ship Chart v1.1.3 (Updated 07/05/12)
  • Upcoming SS chart changes
    • Retrofit all ships (maybe shuttles, not sure) with shield HUD in stats w SHD modifier stat
  • Most recent SS Chart Changes
    • SS v1.1.3 (07/05/12):
      • Replaced Ferengi Na'Far Shuttle price text to icon of Lobi Crystal
      • Replaced Ferengi Na'Far Shuttle HUD icon with correct ship silhouette
      • Added Caitian Stalker Fighter section, stats & pics
      • Added Tuffli Class Freighter section, stats & pics
    • SS v1.1.1 - 1.1.2 (05/02/12 - 05/03/12):
      • Added Cross-Faction ship: Ferengi D???Kora
      • Added Cross-Faction Shuttle: Ferengi Na???Far Shuttle
    • SS v1.0.1 - v1.0.8 (04/13/12):
      • Corrected Yellowstone crew (5 not 4)
      • Altered colors & KDF banner
      • Added 02 flag for second year anniv text for Bortas
      • Added Bortas (2nd Year Anniversary give away)
      • Added Odyssey (2nd Year Anniversary give away)
      • Added KDF Shuttles / Fighters
      • Added FED Shuttles / Fighters
      • Added Cross-Faction Ships (Jem'Hadar Bug & Cardassian Galor)
      • Corrected Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Crew (50 not 300)
  • Link to Archived SS Chart Changes
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STO KLINGON DEFENSE FORCE Ship Tier Chart v6.1.6
  • Upcoming KDF chart changes
    • Still need the following console / wep icons: ChTang, Varanus
  • Most recent KDF Chart Changes
    • KDF v6.1.6 (4/10/12):
      • Replaced Bortasq (2nd year anniv giveaway) pics with Bortasqu' (c-store) & subclass configs & stats
      • Removed JemHadar & Cardassian Galor sections (will be moved to the upcoming SS Chart)
      • Removed Shuttlecraft & Fighter sections (will be moved to the upcoming SS Chart)
      • Added Console for Scourge Destroyer
    • KDF v6.1.5 (2/19/12):
      • Corrected most usability text on all console infos
      • Added Galor Section Stats & Shots (thx to Framesplicer of the 12th Fleet for the shots!)
      • Resized JemHadar section
    • KDF v6.1.4 (2/12/12):
      • Added VA ship: Bortas pics, stats & backdrop
      • Changed KarFi backdrop
  • Link to Archived KDF Chart Changes
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  • spidermitch0spidermitch0 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2012
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  • suricattasuricatta Member Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Weeeeee, new thread, Reminds me I need to remake my old one as well! :-)

    Looking forward to seeing how the new Fleet starbase ships will fall into the current tier setup, its getting really messy now! :-P
  • suricattasuricatta Member Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    According to Al in the latest Priority One podcast, 'Fleet Escorts' are been renamed 'Patrol Escorts', so they don't get confused with the new Fleet ships, just so ya know :-)

    Also, according to Al, they are adding 45 new ships with the fleet system, including retrofits of almost all ships 'above' tier 1 :-)
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I guess that would make sense, changing Fleet Escorts to Patrol Escorts :) Fleets get their own special ships, so there probably would be confusion.

    It's a shame to leave the old thread... but with the charts here, this one will quickly build up just like it :)
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,270 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Yay! Congrats on starting anew (well, thankfully just the forum posts, not the charts). :D

    Wish you good luck on future updating. ;)

    Also, thanks, we owe you much.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,032 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2012
    Fantastic charts. Do you have the images for the Stalker Fighter? If not I do.
    Also the Tuffli-Class Freighter is now in DOF packs.
    Also if I may; the Shuttle charts might look better if the Fed Shuttles where arranged in this order: Class F, Type 8, Type 10, Delta, Danube, Yellowstone, Peregrine, Stalker, Tal'Kyr, Yacht. So Shuttle, Flyer, Runabout, Fighters, and Auxiliary craft.

    Also have you thought about making a pets chart?
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  • spidermitch0spidermitch0 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    artan42 wrote: »
    Fantastic charts. Do you have the images for the Stalker Fighter? If not I do.
    Also the Tuffli-Class Freighter is now in DOF packs.
    Also if I may; the Shuttle charts might look better if the Fed Shuttles where arranged in this order: Class F, Type 8, Type 10, Delta, Danube, Yellowstone, Peregrine, Stalker, Tal'Kyr, Yacht. So Shuttle, Flyer, Runabout, Fighters, and Auxiliary craft.

    Also have you thought about making a pets chart?

    Haha. Probably a 'no thx' to the shuttle pets chart, since I've been limiting the charts to 'what a player can fly' and for now, I'll probably keep em like that. Unless it's an afterthought that goes on the Shuttle/Special (SS) chart. Lemme mull it over... ;)

    I currently have shots from the Freighter and the Stalker Fighters, so I'll be adding that to the SS chart as soon as I get around to updating it (hopefully this weekend!)

    About rearranging the SS chart: I'll look into what to do when I go adding the above-mentioned ships. I may take your suggestion, or put it as an 'order in which it comes out'... not sure yet tho. Either way, thx for the input. :)
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    After looking closely at the Odyssey's device icon, i thought about where to place it, since you're not sure

    I think maybe instead of where it is now, it should be placed in the header, directly to the right of the pricing. The devices are always placed near other important info (consoles slots and unique consoles), but with the Odyssey and it's 3 variants, that wouldn't look right.

    By placing it near the pricing, you're also placing it above the ship's other stats (hull, weapon slots, etc), keeping the trend, somewhat. I think it's a good alternative :)

    And also, maybe you can do the same to the other ships. Because now that I look at the Fed chart closely, the third ship variant in most places is a little squished under the device icon. By changing this, you can align them up a little more.

    What do you think?
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Having listened to the new PriorityOne podcast, we have new info about the upcoming Fleet Starships: (still subject to change though)

    Will be Fleet only (had to be said)
    Will ALL be Tier 5
    Total of 40+ ships to be added, divided between Fed and KDF (these ships are retrofits/refits of existing ones, but they will have new materials for the refit skins)
    These ships will not have the C-Store skin options, or C-Store only consoles, unless you have bought the ship (Then you can use them on the new Fleet ships)
    Some will have 10 console slots of various arrangements, and some will have +10% to shields and hull (some because not all info is available; no other stat info is available either)


    This might be fairly obvious... but this would wreck HAVOC on your charts if you added 20 ships to each chart's Tier 5 sections. You might have to consider a Fleet-only chart(s) to add this... :eek:
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • takeshi6takeshi6 Member Posts: 752 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Really like your charts, and look forward to seeing them updated. :)
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  • raptor63549raptor63549 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Oh new thread, Nice.

    Thanks for all the work on the charts.
    Here's my thought on fleet ships: Seperate the Fed and KDF charts in standard and fleet ships sections. Standard is the same chart as it is now, the fleet charch would be placed at the bottom of the standard chart and have the new fleet refits seperated by which Tactical tier unlocks the hull (with the headers listing how much FXP that takes ) and haveing all the regular stuff.

    On a side note, on the carrier ships, you should put the icons of the fighters that can be launched by them, since not all carriers can use all fighters. Additionally, the Atrox might use a note about its ability to fit dual cannons.

    On a side, side note, I sent you a message. Not sure if you got it, what with these new forums and all (it took me long enough to find the send message button, I'm sure I screwed it up)
  • lmrtlmrt Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Amazing to see this thread back!, thanks a lot! :D
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  • bghostbghost Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sticky this plz unstick the old one
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bghost wrote: »
    sticky this plz unstick the old one
    i believe only devs/moderators have the power to do either
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • cptwilliam2cptwilliam2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    As mentioned prior, the Fleet Escort is being renamed to Patrol escort according to Al Rivera.

    However, on Tribble the standard one has been renamed Blockade Escort while the Fleet Version is called Fleet Patrol Escort.


    The naming convention is starting to get funny. :D
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  • pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited July 2012
    NOTE: Due to the new forum changes, I've recreated this thread. I'm working on getting formatting / links / etc... working, so please be patient. I've fixed some of the URL redirects, and will post as soon as they go into effect.

    Hey Spidermitch! :) Thanks for remaking this -- I've unstuck the old and stickied this one. Also, I've sent you the text and BB code from your original post so that it is easy to recreate/ replace the formatting.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    And now it's officially stickied :D

    Also Spidermitch, if you ever need the stats of the Fleet ships, this thread has them listed: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=290291

    They're the Tribble stats, so they could still change.
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    /Subscribed.

    Thanks for keeping this updated SpiderMitch!

    (And congrats on Sticky 2.0 :D)

    You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
  • ravinravin Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Don't forget to update the hull numbers on the Armitage, and MVAM I believe. The Armitage is now 32000, I think the MVAM is the same but not sure.

    **Edit** MVAM is now 31,000.
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  • spidermitch0spidermitch0 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Okay. Just spent quite a bit of time revamping some stuff on the Federation chart. I've added the shield stat and graphic to all ships, and while I was add it, I've replaced all the console indicators with a numeric number and consolidated the icons into one row.

    I've done this to make comparisons a bit easier, to make it look a bit cleaner, & for future expand-ability. I went over them twice to make sure I transferred the amount of each console correctly, but zoomed in looking at numbers all day may have made me bypass one or whatnot. So, if you see some consoles / weapon counts that are off, just lemme know.

    P.S. I know the new indicators are missing in the "Starter Ships" section and the "Adv Odyssey Cruiser" sections. Gotta revisit these in the future. Also, on my to-do list is to create something for carriers showing pet-compatibility and whatnot, but seeing as how there's like 40+ ships coming :eek:, I may be doing that a little later rather than sooner...

    Thanks! Hope u guys like the changes!
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Okay. Just spent quite a bit of time revamping some stuff on the Federation chart. I've added the shield stat and graphic to all ships, and while I was add it, I've replaced all the console indicators with a numeric number and consolidated the icons into one row.

    I've done this to make comparisons a bit easier, to make it look a bit cleaner, & for future expand-ability. I went over them twice to make sure I transferred the amount of each console correctly, but zoomed in looking at numbers all day may have made me bypass one or whatnot. So, if you see some consoles / weapon counts that are off, just lemme know.

    P.S. I know the new indicators are missing in the "Starter Ships" section and the "Adv Odyssey Cruiser" sections. Gotta revisit these in the future. Also, on my to-do list is to create something for carriers showing pet-compatibility and whatnot, but seeing as how there's like 40+ ships coming :eek:, I may be doing that a little later rather than sooner...

    Thanks! Hope u guys like the changes!
    Definitely loving the changes :)

    And other than your mentioned ships that don't have the changes, the only thing that seems off with the new changes is with the Vulcan D'Kyr. It's console and device bar is set just a little bit lower than the others... but it's a very minor change.

    And yeah, 40+ ships, spread out between the Federation and the KDF... that's gonna be a handful. And as far as I've seen, every single one of the Fleet Refits/Retrofits will be Tier 5... and at about 20 per faction, will expand the Tier 5 sections signficantly. In fact, imagining you adding ships like you have in the past... would just make them look clunky and oversized, maybe ridiclious, IMO.

    If you choose not to make an entire new chart just for these ships, maybe you could add them in separate rows below (rows being the standard Escort, Cruiser and Science Vessel rows).

    Possibly a space between the Fleet ships and the current ships?

    Edit: Oh, and also, the Caitian Atrox Carrier's device number is separate from the bar with the consoles.
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • spidermitch0spidermitch0 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Just to keep everyone in the loop:
    Hard @ work on S6 changes & Fleet ships & whatnot. I anticipate having something available probably before S6 goes out, and may go ahead and post to get everyone's thoughts/reactions/suggestions to the new changes... In doing this, I may wind up leaving the PRE-Season 6 chart up too.... Not sure. Keep an eye out here on this thread (& the original post) for the latest stuffs.

    Also:
    I've heard the special cross-faction ships are supposed to have their stats upgraded. Anyone know what they're going to be?

    Thx everyone!


    EDIT 7/13/12: Looks like I missed my deadline... Oh well, I'd rather it be accurate and nice looking than rushed. I'll try to put the finishing touches on it tonight / tomorrow & get it up on the weekend.
  • robdmcrobdmc Member Posts: 1,618 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Hull 34500
    5th tac console

    I'm not sure how to find the shield modifier on a commissioned ship.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Well, Season 6 has launched, so the new Fleet ships are available for viewing and buying (will take awhile though). From the patch notes though, there are these small changes:
    * Increased HP of B'Rel Retrofit.
    * Increased Turn Rate of T3 and T4 Orion Flight Deck Cruiser.
    * Renamed Fleet Escorts to Patrol Escorts.
    * Added Sensor Analysis to Vulcan Tal'Kyr Auxiliary craft.
    * Updated the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, Cardassian Galor, and Ferengi D'Kora so they have bonus HP, bonus shields, and an additional console slot so they are competitive with the fleet ships.

    Unfortunately, I don't all know the exact numbers, but I have heard the B'Rel Retrofit got a 4K boost to it's HP. But at least you can add half of these changes right away, considering they're just text changes.
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Well, they're offering another lockbox on PWE's orders, but the rewards are quite interesting:

    The ultra-rare prize = Tholian Orb Weaver ship
    Alternate rare prizes = Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser and Vor'cha Battle Cruiser (will have different consoles and Boff seating than the standard ones)
    New additions to Lobi Store = Flyable Tholian Widow Fighter, and Tholian Recluse Carrier


    This is only half of it, but this is the important ship stuff you need to know. There are no stats yet, but you're gonna need an update on the Fighters/Shuttles/Special Ships chart in a few weeks :)

    Full dev blog on the subject is here, if you're interested: http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=612521
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,130 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    to pop the question: you guys gunna update the cryptic points / zen conversion?
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    a3001 wrote: »
    to pop the question: you guys gunna update the cryptic points / zen conversion?
    He probably will at some point, since Cryptic points are now replaced by Zen.

    Oh and Spidermitch, here's the new blog with the stats of the upcoming special ships: http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=614731 :)

    And yeah, the Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser and Star Cruiser are supposed to look like the other version, along with have the other's stats. That is intentional.

    Also, the MU ships will be able to use the standard options of the regular versions (just in MU style). This includes the C-Store ship costumes (Star Cruiser Nomad costume can be used on the MU's 'Assault Cruiser', ie the Star Cruiser)

    Plus, if you've gotten it, the MU skin can be used on the regular versions.

    It's fairly confusing, yeah, but that's how it is
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,032 Bug Hunter
    edited July 2012
    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=614731
    All the new LB ships details.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • artj204artj204 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I would just like to point out that on the KDF ship chart, the 3/4 view shot of the Scourge Destroyer is actually a 3/4 view of the Vandal Destroyer.

    You can tell by the 'mouth' opening being larger like on the Vandal, whereas on the Scourge it is more closed. And the bottom 'fins' in the screen shot follows a more horizontal line like on the Vandal instead of a more diagonal/45 degree angle.

    There are other notable differences, but I won't mention them as I believe I have already made my point.

    Thanks.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    artj204 wrote: »
    I would just like to point out that on the KDF ship chart, the 3/4 view shot of the Scourge Destroyer is actually a 3/4 view of the Vandal Destroyer.

    You can tell by the 'mouth' opening being larger like on the Vandal, whereas on the Scourge it is more closed. And the bottom 'fins' in the screen shot follows a more horizontal line like on the Vandal instead of a more diagonal/45 degree angle.

    There are other notable differences, but I won't mention them as I believe I have already made my point.

    Thanks.
    The more accurate though, the less time he wastes changing them though :)
    artan42 wrote: »
    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=614731
    All the new LB ships details.
    I've already posted that same link, so you're a bit late, sorry.
    Was named Trek17, but still an author.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.
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