I first heard about this in game but I thought to myself that it couldn't be true, turns out it is. I'm disappointed even though I have a LTS I feel bad for all the subscribers that have been here since the beggining of the game and had to wait for their rewards.
Now I just logged in to the game and now I'm a 700 day Veteran. It doesn't make any sense. I was just a few days away from being 300. Sure I couldn't wait to get the rewards but I was willing to wait just like everybody else. This doesn't seem fair. The LTS pay more and it's a nice thing but couldn't they have come up with something else? What about the players that keep paying every month: What will they get now? There is no reason to pay monthly anymore. Even if with this they probably thought that since people are a few days from receveing their 1000 day award they will keep paying it's still ungreatful. It may lead people to buy this and keep people in the game for awhile but, you still need those monthly subs. Give them something too, please. Make people want to be a gold member or have more restricted content for F2P that gold members can have access too like missions. I don't know... just a rant.
*Edit* Give regular subscribers something UNIQUE. Going around with a "700 day vet" on my character seems fake and colecting the rewards won't be something I was looking forward to if I had waited.
I feel your pain buddy. Once again, I say use my suggestions for placng aqny future Veteran rewards via the Captain's Chair. It's a Veteran/Committed members only area.
They don't have to play on that new toon to get 700 days on it. A 700 - 1000 day "veteran" means nothing to me about loyalty or even being a veteran. Just means you paid cash for 700 days.
I did want to address this part of his quote though.
Let's take it out of an MMO context and address that as a single player game with a potential online aspect. You play through an FPS or RPG and unlock multiple items in the extras menu after your 3 or more days of playing or at least going past the levels on Easy that you can now use with a second play through or another character that allows you to take a different path. That is time spent or time coasted, as some would say, in getting those perks that you can now show off in the online mode. But now EA(Electronic Arts) to those who do not know, comes along a few years ago and offers to let new players do the same thing for $2 to $7 unlock key fee. Suddenly that accomplishment no matter how easy or how easier you coasted to it, means nothing when you attempt to show it off online.
Is it better understood now why some may still be upset?
Btw, this is in response to why I was disappointed that the Vet accolade and its accompanying in-game reward no longer means as much to the player who would see ad get these before today.
But for things like ships, things that can affect in-game balance, those better not be locked away.
I think no one was really upset when Veterans got the android BOFF. I mean that was a nice gift, but nothing that would be important as a WHOLE SHIP!
1000 Days or 200 $ are just too much for a ship in a game IMO.
I think it's a more like a insult to all those who don't have the money, than a gift for the few who actually get these ships.
With the introduction of this new reward they made a nice gift for a small group of loyal customers but they also created something that makes a much bigger group of customers unhappy.
If that's how they plan to treat the majority of their customers from now on, i think/hope the best times for them are over.
Really i think they should release a C-Store version of it, at least they could limit the damage being already done.
Thank you for reading or ignoring, depending on who you are.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I said this before but I still can?t believe people are upset about this. I think it is great!
I bought a one year subscription and then I bought a lifetime subscription so I spent a lot! When I first read this new lifetime perk, right away what I thought is that it was a great idea. I mean the only difference between paying for a Lifetime two years ago and now is that those of us that bought it two year ago have gotten an extra two years to play for free. AND we have remainder of the new people that have gotten a lifetime subscription.
This just proves to me that people will complain about anything when greed and entitlement become more important than promoting this great game and inclusion.
If the game gets a 1000 more subscribers then this game has a longer lifespan potential. Also remember that the owners of this game don?t get anything from the money we spent over a year ago. I just look at my buddies that wanted a lifetime and couldn?t afford it until it went on sale. Now they have a bonus!
The main problem here is everyone thinks time equals loyalty/veteran. When it doesn't. Saying you EARNED your rewards isn't really the truth either. You PAID for those rewards.
F2P players get nothing. Even if they play for the next 10 years they will get nothing. So if you don't pay does that mean you are not loyal or a veteran player?
LTS players are 100% guaranteed to get ALL the rewards. That is set in stone. Why make them wait? Time does not make someone a veteran. Someone could have bought a LTS at the beginning and not like the game and quit for awhile. If they decide to come back 1000 days later - they would get those rewards just like they have been here. So what is the difference? They didn't play the game for 999 days came back and still got the rewards. They are now a veteran because they had to wait to get the rewards????....That doesn't make sense to me.
Another thing is I don't get is monthly suscribers (I am one) complaining. It is nobodys fault but your own if you have been subscribed for the past 2 or 3 years and never thought about getting a LTS. Simple math really. If you knew you were going to play longer then 19months then you should have bought a LTS. I subscribed monthly because I didn't have $299 to fork over on the game. With it only being 199 that might be a differnet story.
Lastly, nothing was taken away from ANYONE. We all have the SAME veteran rewards. You want them all right now? Then pay for the LTS. Saying that time (1000 days) makes someone a veteran or loyal is very misleading. You may be subscribed for 999 days, but that doesn't mean you played, logged in, or gained any skill (a Veteran).
Even before this update I have seen several 700 Day players not even a vice admiral yet. Guess it could be a 2nd toon on their account, but that just goes back to:
subscription = money = veteran rewards.
They don't have to play on that new toon to get 700 days on it. A 700 - 1000 day "veteran" means nothing to me about loyalty or even being a veteran. Just means you paid cash for 700 days.
Timed events like nanopulse or Worf baldric were "earned" in a loose sense.
Vet rewards were always earned with money like cash back or frequent flyer miles on a credit card. The difference is just delivery speed.
It's like complaining that Amazon Prime members now get free expedited shipping on all orders and that you didn't get expedited shipping on your package. Nevermind that the new people didn't get their package any sooner than you.
The one addition I'd make is to make subs by time paid so that people close to 1k days can go ahead and buy the remaining time needed and get their stuff now.
Ok I think that is a good idea to draw in more subscribers. The thing that I don't like about this is that I have been a Month-to-Month for almost 800 days now. Now if I want the perks I will have to buy this Life Time Subscription to get them.:mad: How is that fare to me when I have paid more for my month-to-month then the cost of two LTS combined. I think that those of us that fall into this catagory should be offered a reduced cost LTS since we already paid for one when we hit the price of one in 15 months, and that was the original price at that. I would just like the opportunity that all the LTS have had without having to pay out another 13 months value of subs to get it. I chose to do the month-to-month because in the long run it helps keep the game going and produces new content. To me this is just not right, if I have been paying this long I, and others like me, should get a free LTS or big cost reduction to get one. I'm not talking and extra 10% I am talking and extra 70%. Lets not forget about the other people that also help keep the game going.
Once again the point about Cryptic sticking to their word is BS, they are a company in this business to make money, that is their and ALL OTHER BUSINESSES only goal, to make money now and in the future. Nowhere in the Eula does it say you will be guaranteed to get X, Y & Z. It's a game trying to survive in an extremely competitive marketplace, this "it's not fair" and "we've waited so long" etc just makes you and others sound like spoilt little kids with no appreciation for how businesses or the real world works. Hence the grow up remark.
I find this bullocks "It's a business, so however hard they TRIBBLE you, it's all good!" rationale of yours quite amusing. Some people clearly troll the threads for a chance at non-sensical grandstanding.
And naturally, and justly so, 1,000 days vets feel shafted. For the same reason anyone would feel screwed when they bought, say, a limited edition painting, only to find out, later on, that the artist has lifted the limit, and has sold thousands of said work, after all. In some countries that's illegal even. Of course PWE will have something in their EULA that states they can TRIBBLE you over, at any time, for whatever reason. And I'm sure it's all on solid legal ground. It remains, however, for lack of a better term, a scummy thing to do.
So are those who don't own a LTS and waited 1000 days going to get anything to show they waited....because now "vetern" means zip! :mad:
TALK ABOUT PAY TO WIN...now you can pay for vetern status....WTF IS WRONG WITH WITH YOU SICK PEOPLE!? :mad:
I'm glad I'm taking a small break form Trek conventions,...but have fun meeting other 1000 day suckers!
Too bad I'll miss the rage.. :rolleyes:
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] EXPLORE.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
My view (and this is a very strong one) is that the ship is v nice, but selling LTS with the ability to march straight to 1000 day rewards upon purchase of LTS effectively kills the veteran reward program. You are saying that short term money grabbing is more important than community engagment and player longevity and in my view that is the fastest way to kill an MMO STONE DEAD. It is a very dangerous message to send to the community.
My suggestion is to do what you did with the Oddy. Offer a "free" version to new (and <1000 day) LTS accounts. It would have similar if not identical stats to those posted, perhaps a little less hull/shield mod and maybe in an extreme case lose the ensign BOFF slot. Also reverse the idea that all other rewards are earned immediately (as really how much would a crappy broken andriod a free ship slot and a white monkey really be driving new LTS sales anyway?). Then for "true" 1,000 day players they offer a version thats on par with Fleet ships (10 consoles additional hull/shields etc). That way the rewards program lives on and still rewards longevity.
There is nothing that separates long time Veterans from new people who drop $200-$300. Would of been better if they added Veteran Ship Tokens.
Losing our forum start dates.. now losing our exclusive 1000 day forum Titles
Although I think Cryptic are greedy as all hell and not be trusted... I l laughed heartily at this. POOR BABY lost his forum start date!!! And his 1000 day forum title - however will he stand out from the forum crowd now
But look you have a big, bright new title now - how cute!
We're GOING to have it, why not give it to us now? I fail to see the problem. I'm glad cryptic will ignore you guys.
People like you are why STO is nothing more than a below average MMO.
Could I afford LTS? You bet. Did I want to waste that money? No.
LTS = never having to PAY again to get the game, that is the reason for LTS. Not a "Haha those who have been here sinse start, I just joined and I have 1000 day status already!" OR well, posts like yours. :rolleyes:
This was just a lazy and low gimmick to just get fast cash because STO is not doing as well for obvious reasons.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] EXPLORE.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Although I think Cryptic are greedy as all hell and not be trusted... I l laughed heartily at this. POOR BABY lost his forum start date!!! And his 1000 day forum title - however will he stand out from the forum crowd now
But look you have a big, bright new title now - how cute!
So which account were you before you got banned form that one? :rolleyes:
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] EXPLORE.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
I posted this on the champions forums, but it almost seems like they're now gold farming their own game with this. "Don't feel like waiting? Give us money!" "want to be a veteran without investing the time? We can help you!" "you know that shiny new ship your friends are about to earn? $200 and it's yours!"
In the short term yeah they're making a small pile of money for PWE to roll around in, but in the long term they're losing a lot more because they're losing the monthly income, people aren't buying respec tokens, character slots, ship slots, costume pieces, entire ships, experience boosts, they're losing the respect of long term players, they're promoting pay to win, they've completely rendered any veteran title or status a complete joke, and to top that off not only are they not making as much money for each of these people they're losing it since they'll be paying them $5 for absolutely nothing.
In the long run continuing the Vet rewards passed 100 would have been much better business because they're giving something to the fans, for a little over $45 they're giving out very little but making sure they're getting returning customers as well as having people continue to pay monthly.
Which is why saying that giving the gold members life times is just a bad idea because
A) it's a moot point since they've already earned all the rewards at 1000 days Doing that means that they'll be having to pay each of these members $5 for no reason
C) it just defeats the purpose all together
Putting a price tag on a time based incentive program is telling cryptic that it's okay to disregard the fans for money, that it's okay to lie about things if you get paid, and that pay to win is a good thing, all of which most of the people indeed are not okay with. Nobody wants pay to win, yet somehow doing this is okay by a lot of those same people and it just seems to show a lot of the bad side of business.
I love the idea though for people who are just now buying LTS's.. I hope this is a permanent feature for all future LTS sales. Really makes the LTS a nice package.. costumes, slots, ships, all sorts of goodies the moment you sign up. Great idea.
Pity I'm not really getting any serious benefit from it, since I've been lifetime since beta. Maybe this means that future veteran's rewards will be released earlier than the game's 1000th, 1100th, and 1701st days?
Seriously cryptic.. 1701 day veteran's reward: Tier 5 Constitution. :P Surely you can get CBS onboard with that kind of milestone.
So which account were you before you got banned form that one? :rolleyes:
You may think you're joking, but look at his join date: Oct 2012. You may just be on to something.
I have to say though, it bugs me a little to see people with Sep 2012 as their join date, who have been here for at least a not quite soild two weeks, are now sporting Starfleet or Empire Veteran titles. It's kind of hilarious and tragic at the same time.
Anyway, I don't begrudge people their shortcut. First post of mine in this thread I started with, "Look, I get it..." It's not your fault. It's the dishonesty on the part of Cryptic that gets to me. Every time again. You'd think I'd be used to it. We're told we have to do something to get something, and we do, and then the rules change. Time and again. It truly is not worth playing STFs anymore, cause you know we'll be able to buy Prototype Borg Tech on the Z-store for 700 zen a pop before the year ends. And their 'big gesture' toward small fleets will be a Buy Your Own Starbase Program. And all those guys that sank hundreds of millions of credits into buying Doffs and Dosi Rotgut and whatnot will rage, and a bunch of people who joined last wednesday will mock them and say they got what they wanted and why should they complain? It may take a while, but it will happen, and there will be no apologies, no semblence of understanding and nothing remotely like a compromise from Cryptic.
Just dev blog #81 "******** you and give us money!" :rolleyes:
I don't think I have laughed as loud as I have after reading all these posts.
I find it highly amusing that many old school lifers on here, have given me grief over the years when I have given Cryptic and PW stick and have defending them to the hilt, however, once something happens that they are not happy about, they bleat and moan just like I do.
Oh the irony...
To be honest, anyone past or future with a LTS, I think your all mad anyway:P
Gotta be the best thread I have read in years. Oh the tears...
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
So, any plans to add new vet rewards past 1000 days? I heard rumors about it a while back but all I'm seeing now is, you get to a 1000 days, and have very little incentive to stay subscribed because you have everything.
So I emailed Cryptic to see if they can shed any light on the decision, and they basically said that since Lifetime Subscribers will get the perks eventually anyways they might as well have them from the start. It makes sense, but the way they went about initiating it (and the timing of it) was really a poor choice as it upset a lot of longtime supporters of the game. If they had done it at any other time (or even waited a bit past the 1,000 day mark) it probably wouldn't have been as upsetting.
That being said, I hope everyone is enjoying the new Vet Rewards! I really am enjoying the new ship. It's the most versatile one I've played so far and I really love the transformation animation.
You may think you're joking, but look at his join date: Oct 2012. You may just be on to something.
I would probably think the same thing TBH - but I've only now transferred my account onto the PW system to stick my oar in before I leave STO and MMO's for good. Cryptic have encouraged me to leave STO with their AWFUL lootboxes and complete lack of morals, whilst the wailing from so-called 'adults' has made decide I don't want to play with any of these people, who value pathetic virtual trinkets (which don't actually exist) to give meaning to their (what must be) empty lives. Anyway, cheers
So, any plans to add new vet rewards past 1000 days? I heard rumors about it a while back but all I'm seeing now is, you get to a 1000 days, and have very little incentive to stay subscribed because you have everything.
I think they've said a few times that they aren't going to be initating them. As it stands, anyone who isn't a Lifer who has paid for 1,000 days of monthly subs has sunk a lot of change into this game. If there are people who end up doing that I suggest Cryptic creates a special reward just for them. They'll have certainly paid the money for it.
Yeah, it's the death of the Veteran Rewards system, no more rewards past 1,000 methinks.
Though I do think I saw higher than 1,000 on Champions Online, I could be wrong. Might be a different MMORPG.
EDIT: Though an interesting note... only 983 Day Subscriber... the patch has hit, and I'm not getting my forum title for 1K Days. Maybe that is still linked to your actual days subscribed. Meh.
Original Join Date: January 2010 Original Name: -Gen-Alaris Days Subscribed: 1211 (As of May 26, 2013)
If for all that time playing the game was a pain and all that motivated you were the Veteran Rewards and the "need" to look special compared to no Lifers then really i do not understand what was the point for you to still play STO.
Actually, are you even playing the game? And if so, what do you care that other players get the same stuff you will get? In the end, you still win because you were a Lifer before many others and that means that you already play for less than 15$ a month for longer than the others.
How can you be so bitter? I understand you wanted to be the only cool guy with the next cool ship and now you won't be able to showoff to anyone. I know, that is terribly sad but get over it. No matter how many freebies devs could give to new Lifers, you will still end ahead just because you bought your Life sub long before the others. Is that not good enough?
Um... I am not a lifer. Never have been gold, never plan to. And I was simply puting forth a metaphor for this situation. There is no need for anger and insults.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
To be fair, the end of vet rewards wasn't a surprise. Dan hinted in the September Ask Cryptic that future vet rewards beyond 1,000 days were not on the radar anymore.
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I feel your pain buddy. Once again, I say use my suggestions for placng aqny future Veteran rewards via the Captain's Chair. It's a Veteran/Committed members only area.
I know you and others may feel that's all it means, but trust me I did not only see it as I paid $300 up front kind of thing.
Edit: Oh btw, I happen to agree with posts like Quickdraw's after reading all the various comments out there. See my posts in the Champion Online's forum: http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=2548531&posted=1#post2548531.
I did want to address this part of his quote though.
Let's take it out of an MMO context and address that as a single player game with a potential online aspect. You play through an FPS or RPG and unlock multiple items in the extras menu after your 3 or more days of playing or at least going past the levels on Easy that you can now use with a second play through or another character that allows you to take a different path. That is time spent or time coasted, as some would say, in getting those perks that you can now show off in the online mode. But now EA(Electronic Arts) to those who do not know, comes along a few years ago and offers to let new players do the same thing for $2 to $7 unlock key fee. Suddenly that accomplishment no matter how easy or how easier you coasted to it, means nothing when you attempt to show it off online.
Is it better understood now why some may still be upset?
Btw, this is in response to why I was disappointed that the Vet accolade and its accompanying in-game reward no longer means as much to the player who would see ad get these before today.
1000 Days or 200 $ are just too much for a ship in a game IMO.
I think it's a more like a insult to all those who don't have the money, than a gift for the few who actually get these ships.
With the introduction of this new reward they made a nice gift for a small group of loyal customers but they also created something that makes a much bigger group of customers unhappy.
If that's how they plan to treat the majority of their customers from now on, i think/hope the best times for them are over.
Really i think they should release a C-Store version of it, at least they could limit the damage being already done.
Thank you for reading or ignoring, depending on who you are.
I mean, you just basically characterized it as losing out on epeen waving.
I bought a one year subscription and then I bought a lifetime subscription so I spent a lot! When I first read this new lifetime perk, right away what I thought is that it was a great idea. I mean the only difference between paying for a Lifetime two years ago and now is that those of us that bought it two year ago have gotten an extra two years to play for free. AND we have remainder of the new people that have gotten a lifetime subscription.
This just proves to me that people will complain about anything when greed and entitlement become more important than promoting this great game and inclusion.
If the game gets a 1000 more subscribers then this game has a longer lifespan potential. Also remember that the owners of this game don?t get anything from the money we spent over a year ago. I just look at my buddies that wanted a lifetime and couldn?t afford it until it went on sale. Now they have a bonus!
Timed events like nanopulse or Worf baldric were "earned" in a loose sense.
Vet rewards were always earned with money like cash back or frequent flyer miles on a credit card. The difference is just delivery speed.
It's like complaining that Amazon Prime members now get free expedited shipping on all orders and that you didn't get expedited shipping on your package. Nevermind that the new people didn't get their package any sooner than you.
The one addition I'd make is to make subs by time paid so that people close to 1k days can go ahead and buy the remaining time needed and get their stuff now.
I find this bullocks "It's a business, so however hard they TRIBBLE you, it's all good!" rationale of yours quite amusing. Some people clearly troll the threads for a chance at non-sensical grandstanding.
And naturally, and justly so, 1,000 days vets feel shafted. For the same reason anyone would feel screwed when they bought, say, a limited edition painting, only to find out, later on, that the artist has lifted the limit, and has sold thousands of said work, after all. In some countries that's illegal even. Of course PWE will have something in their EULA that states they can TRIBBLE you over, at any time, for whatever reason. And I'm sure it's all on solid legal ground. It remains, however, for lack of a better term, a scummy thing to do.
- Kira, 90-day vet.
TALK ABOUT PAY TO WIN...now you can pay for vetern status....WTF IS WRONG WITH WITH YOU SICK PEOPLE!? :mad:
I'm glad I'm taking a small break form Trek conventions,...but have fun meeting other 1000 day suckers!
Too bad I'll miss the rage..
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
My suggestion is to do what you did with the Oddy. Offer a "free" version to new (and <1000 day) LTS accounts. It would have similar if not identical stats to those posted, perhaps a little less hull/shield mod and maybe in an extreme case lose the ensign BOFF slot. Also reverse the idea that all other rewards are earned immediately (as really how much would a crappy broken andriod a free ship slot and a white monkey really be driving new LTS sales anyway?). Then for "true" 1,000 day players they offer a version thats on par with Fleet ships (10 consoles additional hull/shields etc). That way the rewards program lives on and still rewards longevity.
...#LLAP...
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
We are LTS!
L T S.
LIFE TIME
FOR EVER
NOT
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We're GOING to have it, why not give it to us now? I fail to see the problem. I'm glad cryptic will ignore you guys.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Although I think Cryptic are greedy as all hell and not be trusted... I l laughed heartily at this. POOR BABY lost his forum start date!!! And his 1000 day forum title - however will he stand out from the forum crowd now
But look you have a big, bright new title now - how cute!
People like you are why STO is nothing more than a below average MMO.
Could I afford LTS? You bet. Did I want to waste that money? No.
LTS = never having to PAY again to get the game, that is the reason for LTS. Not a "Haha those who have been here sinse start, I just joined and I have 1000 day status already!" OR well, posts like yours.
This was just a lazy and low gimmick to just get fast cash because STO is not doing as well for obvious reasons.
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
So which account were you before you got banned form that one? :rolleyes:
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
In the short term yeah they're making a small pile of money for PWE to roll around in, but in the long term they're losing a lot more because they're losing the monthly income, people aren't buying respec tokens, character slots, ship slots, costume pieces, entire ships, experience boosts, they're losing the respect of long term players, they're promoting pay to win, they've completely rendered any veteran title or status a complete joke, and to top that off not only are they not making as much money for each of these people they're losing it since they'll be paying them $5 for absolutely nothing.
In the long run continuing the Vet rewards passed 100 would have been much better business because they're giving something to the fans, for a little over $45 they're giving out very little but making sure they're getting returning customers as well as having people continue to pay monthly.
Which is why saying that giving the gold members life times is just a bad idea because
A) it's a moot point since they've already earned all the rewards at 1000 days
C) it just defeats the purpose all together
Putting a price tag on a time based incentive program is telling cryptic that it's okay to disregard the fans for money, that it's okay to lie about things if you get paid, and that pay to win is a good thing, all of which most of the people indeed are not okay with. Nobody wants pay to win, yet somehow doing this is okay by a lot of those same people and it just seems to show a lot of the bad side of business.
I love the idea though for people who are just now buying LTS's.. I hope this is a permanent feature for all future LTS sales. Really makes the LTS a nice package.. costumes, slots, ships, all sorts of goodies the moment you sign up. Great idea.
Pity I'm not really getting any serious benefit from it, since I've been lifetime since beta. Maybe this means that future veteran's rewards will be released earlier than the game's 1000th, 1100th, and 1701st days?
Seriously cryptic.. 1701 day veteran's reward: Tier 5 Constitution.
You may think you're joking, but look at his join date: Oct 2012. You may just be on to something.
I have to say though, it bugs me a little to see people with Sep 2012 as their join date, who have been here for at least a not quite soild two weeks, are now sporting Starfleet or Empire Veteran titles. It's kind of hilarious and tragic at the same time.
Anyway, I don't begrudge people their shortcut. First post of mine in this thread I started with, "Look, I get it..." It's not your fault. It's the dishonesty on the part of Cryptic that gets to me. Every time again. You'd think I'd be used to it. We're told we have to do something to get something, and we do, and then the rules change. Time and again. It truly is not worth playing STFs anymore, cause you know we'll be able to buy Prototype Borg Tech on the Z-store for 700 zen a pop before the year ends. And their 'big gesture' toward small fleets will be a Buy Your Own Starbase Program. And all those guys that sank hundreds of millions of credits into buying Doffs and Dosi Rotgut and whatnot will rage, and a bunch of people who joined last wednesday will mock them and say they got what they wanted and why should they complain? It may take a while, but it will happen, and there will be no apologies, no semblence of understanding and nothing remotely like a compromise from Cryptic.
Just dev blog #81 "******** you and give us money!" :rolleyes:
I don't think I have laughed as loud as I have after reading all these posts.
I find it highly amusing that many old school lifers on here, have given me grief over the years when I have given Cryptic and PW stick and have defending them to the hilt, however, once something happens that they are not happy about, they bleat and moan just like I do.
Oh the irony...
To be honest, anyone past or future with a LTS, I think your all mad anyway:P
Gotta be the best thread I have read in years. Oh the tears...
That being said, I hope everyone is enjoying the new Vet Rewards! I really am enjoying the new ship. It's the most versatile one I've played so far and I really love the transformation animation.
I think they've said a few times that they aren't going to be initating them. As it stands, anyone who isn't a Lifer who has paid for 1,000 days of monthly subs has sunk a lot of change into this game. If there are people who end up doing that I suggest Cryptic creates a special reward just for them. They'll have certainly paid the money for it.
Though I do think I saw higher than 1,000 on Champions Online, I could be wrong. Might be a different MMORPG.
EDIT: Though an interesting note... only 983 Day Subscriber... the patch has hit, and I'm not getting my forum title for 1K Days. Maybe that is still linked to your actual days subscribed. Meh.
Original Name: -Gen-Alaris
Days Subscribed: 1211 (As of May 26, 2013)
Champions stops at 1,000 as well, and they were several hundred days behind in even releasing them.
Um... I am not a lifer. Never have been gold, never plan to. And I was simply puting forth a metaphor for this situation. There is no need for anger and insults.
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Amen.
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Join Date: Sept 2008
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