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  • adamk82adamk82 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    .... you are so creative at getting money from people, but this is a new low. I've lost all motivation to play this game.
  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Here's another metaphor:

    STO is a building with 1000 flights of stairs. At the bottom is the game launch. The vets buy their subscriptions, and go up the stairs. They loyally continue up, paying along to way and keep going. They get rewarded for staying on. And finally, at the very top floor, they finish. They are handed the final reward for climbing the whole 1000 floors. And then the elevator door on the far side of the room opens and a whole bunch of people who paid a quick fee at the bottom pick up all the prizes the other people earned. And the real vets are left with nothing for their loyalty and perseverence.

    Next thing you know PWE's going to just knock over the building and kill STO altogether.
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  • amdarkwolfamdarkwolf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Your not left with nothing. Stop thinking that way. You played the game X amount of time. The game doesn't have a 1000+ day lifespan left, so you can't blame them for 'cashing in' like this, gotta admit its LESS ferngi to do it this way then release yet another ****ty low drop lockbox.(Which they will anyways)

    Look at the history of other 'successful' cryptic games, and slowly come to the dark realization that sto does not have anywhere near 3 years left.


    Can you say 'cashing out'?
  • tali9999tali9999 Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    voporak wrote: »
    Here's another metaphor:

    STO is a building with 1000 flights of stairs. At the bottom is the game launch. The vets buy their subscriptions, and go up the stairs. They loyally continue up, paying along to way and keep going. They get rewarded for staying on. And finally, at the very top floor, they finish. They are handed the final reward for climbing the whole 1000 floors. And then the elevator door on the far side of the room opens and a whole bunch of people who paid a quick fee at the bottom pick up all the prizes the other people earned. And the real vets are left with nothing for their loyalty and perseverence.

    Next thing you know PWE's going to just knock over the building and kill STO altogether.

    If for all that time playing the game was a pain and all that motivated you were the Veteran Rewards and the "need" to look special compared to no Lifers then really i do not understand what was the point for you to still play STO.

    Actually, are you even playing the game? And if so, what do you care that other players get the same stuff you will get? In the end, you still win because you were a Lifer before many others and that means that you already play for less than 15$ a month for longer than the others.

    How can you be so bitter? I understand you wanted to be the only cool guy with the next cool ship and now you won't be able to showoff to anyone. I know, that is terribly sad but get over it. No matter how many freebies devs could give to new Lifers, you will still end ahead just because you bought your Life sub long before the others. Is that not good enough?
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    **Waits for Fleet Version of the ship**

    **wonders if it will require the vet ship to obtain**
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I think you guys are missing the point here. As a LTM you are going to be eligible for all the vet awards anyway, automatically, you could log off and log back in 3 years later and pick them all up without supporting the game at all after the initial investment. The people that pay subs are still going to have to wait the required time anyway, so they will have to support the game for each hundred days to pick up the next award. I'm at 641 days so have had many of the awards, I am also a LTM and I am pleased that new LTMs will see a huge packet of goodies included with their large one-off purchase. Hopefully it will encourage more to come off F2P or Subs and make a large initial investment into the game.

    It also probably means the end of Vet awards past 1000 days because they will no longer be seen as vet awards but LTM awards. This will free up the team at Cryptic to work on other projects which can only be a good thing. I think those of you who don't like this are feeling a little ego deflation as now all LTMs will suddenly have all the same stuff as you even though they may have only started playing today. Me, I support this and wait to welcome all the new LTMs entering the game, they will have spent a lot and received a lot, they will be more likely to participate in this forum and in fleets, I see it as a win win everywhere, nice move Cryptic.

    I agree, the complainers are being very short sighted and selfish. This will be good for the game overall. Just not good for the egos around here.

    Hopefully the influx of lifers will result in extra development resources.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I am another person who is disappointed.

    Many of us have been waiting for the 800, 900, and 1000 day rewards since it was announced well over a year ago. And after waiting that duration of time, someone who has 0 days played can get all the benefits we had to wait, within the same day!

    Just to note, I have no issue of Cryptic letting people play Liberated Borg, but why give them the 1000 day rewards? Why not start them off at 400 or 500 days?


    To me, what Cryptic did was very disrespectful, just another slap in the face of those who have and continue to support this game. And for Perfect World, just more signs that Star Trek fans are just cows to be milked and not customers to be respected.
  • jtmarshjtmarsh Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I am another person who is disappointed.

    Many of us have been waiting for the 800, 900, and 1000 day rewards since it was announced well over a year ago. And after waiting that duration of time, someone who has 0 days played can get all the benefits we had to wait, within the same day!

    Just to note, I have no issue of Cryptic letting people play Liberated Borg, but why give them the 1000 day rewards? Why not start them off at 400 or 500 days?


    To me, what Cryptic did was very disrespectful, just another slap in the face of those who have and continue to support this game. And for Perfect World, just more signs that Star Trek fans are just cows to be milked and not customers to be respected.

    Not slap... "Punch" Punch and then kick when you are down
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    There is nothing that separates long time Veterans from new people who drop $200-$300. Would of been better if they added Veteran Ship Tokens.

    Losing our forum start dates.. now losing our exclusive 1000 day forum Titles

    I agree with some of the others, I'm fine with Cryptic giving access to Liberated Borg. I honestly don't even have one at 50 and I have 7 50s. I dislike losing the titles....
  • rikwesselsrikwessels Member Posts: 367 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Think it isn't about the ship ( or any other perk) but about recognition of players' loyalty to the game which is basically gone .They should add something which stills distinguishes true vets ( not just folks who bought the LTS but also those that subscribed for duration) from folks just entering the game and buying the LTS ( and get all VET perks associated with that instantly ) Doesn't even have to be something huge like a ship but a title and some exclusive uniforms would suffice....
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    pyryck wrote: »
    How would you feel if all of sudden all of the high-end STF gear wound up in the C-Store where it could be bought with Zen instead of grinding out hundreds of STF runs?

    Personally, I try to focus on what I have, not what others have.

    I am not that petty.
  • tali9999tali9999 Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    There is nothing that separates long time Veterans from new people who drop $200-$300. Would of been better if they added Veteran Ship Tokens.

    Losing our forum start dates.. now losing our exclusive 1000 day forum Titles

    I agree with some of the others, I'm fine with Cryptic giving access to Liberated Borg. I honestly don't even have one at 50 and I have 7 50s. I dislike losing the titles....

    If it annoys you and your ego that much, i guess Cryptic could let guys like you have a REALLY unique and rare title just so you can feel SPECIAL in some way.

    But really, i do not understand people like you. It reminds me of my old buddies at City of Heroes who cried because some of them were given a special item in game that all other players eventually also got but months later. They felt cheated, yet did they not enjoy that special item for months before the others could? That was not enough for them. They did not feel SPECIAL anymore i guess.... Childish behavior imho... They lost nothing but seeing others having something made them unhappy.

    It is like if you work super hard to earn a million dollar then do you start yelling at those who simply won the same at the lottery? To me it makes no sense to complain about such things.
  • tehjoneltehjonel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    when i read the announcement, here's what went through my head...

    i'll just leave this here: LINK

    /walks away slowly
  • tali9999tali9999 Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    Personally, I try to focus on what I have, not what others have.

    I am not that petty.

    This.

    And also, that would mean that now i'd be able to buy the STF stuff for my other chars who still don't have it all :)

    Some people just need to always compare themselve to the others all the time. I'd hate to live like that but to each his own i guess.
  • rickpaaarickpaaa Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I bought lifetime out of beta. I don't find that that anyone getting the full 1000 days of awards now, and all at once, in any way diminishes anything for me.

    I seriously think that this is a great move for all involved.
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  • zimmerman1979zimmerman1979 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    tali9999 wrote: »
    If for all that time playing the game was a pain and all that motivated you were the Veteran Rewards and the "need" to look special compared to no Lifers then really i do not understand what was the point for you to still play STO.

    Actually, are you even playing the game? And if so, what do you care that other players get the same stuff you will get? In the end, you still win because you were a Lifer before many others and that means that you already play for less than 15$ a month for longer than the others.

    How can you be so bitter? I understand you wanted to be the only cool guy with the next cool ship and now you won't be able to showoff to anyone. I know, that is terribly sad but get over it. No matter how many freebies devs could give to new Lifers, you will still end ahead just because you bought your Life sub long before the others. Is that not good enough?


    It's not over a ship and its not over the other vet rewards it was a system that was created to award players who paid a sub or bought lifetime, an achievement for reaching X number of days excited to get that new reward and a thank you for supporting the game.

    With what they did for this promo was completely invalidate the vet reward system which is pretty much dead now considering they are just handing it out to people that will throw out a credit card just to have a 200$ ship, how would you feel if they also added in full MK XII gear or everything in the Zen Store , maxed accolades etc, just so one person doesn't have to achieve anything but buy their way to the top ?

    Would you still feel the same way about it then all the hard work and support to the game thrown out the window just to have some schmoe buy his way to the top?
  • zimmerman1979zimmerman1979 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rickpaaa wrote: »
    I bought lifetime out of beta. I don't find that that anyone getting the full 1000 days of awards now, and all at once, in any way diminishes anything for me.

    I seriously think that this is a great move for all involved.

    If you don't play the game all the time then ya it is a great move for people that stick their hand out and take and not give anything back.
  • zimmerman1979zimmerman1979 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    tali9999 wrote: »
    If it annoys you and your ego that much, i guess Cryptic could let guys like you have a REALLY unique and rare title just so you can feel SPECIAL in some way.

    But really, i do not understand people like you. It reminds me of my old buddies at City of Heroes who cried because some of them were given a special item in game that all other players eventually also got but months later. They felt cheated, yet did they not enjoy that special item for months before the others could? That was not enough for them. They did not feel SPECIAL anymore i guess.... Childish behavior imho... They lost nothing but seeing others having something made them unhappy.

    It is like if you work super hard to earn a million dollar then do you start yelling at those who simply won the same at the lottery? To me it makes no sense to complain about such things.

    If i worked to earn a million dollars I wouldn't be yelling at people who won the lottery, I would be though looking down on people who sit and want handouts for doing nothing or paying for nothing just cause they can work the system and abuse it to their advantage.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Now i'm impressed, this goes to show the community that you appreicate the players who have either been here a long time and/or committed up front with a large sum.

    I haven't played STO in over a week, this will get me loading the game after mainteance on Thursday night.

    Thanks Cryptic, really appreciate it.
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  • theultimatextheultimatex Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    zoltan12th wrote: »
    This saddens me greatly. I started with Closed Beta, moved to Open Beta and purchased my Lifetime subscription as soon as it was available. I have 8 days until the ship becomes available to me. I have put in a lot of time and effort into this game and now, someone who can fork out $200 dollars can get the same benefits as those of us who have put in the time to make this a great game. I feel that this is a greedy money grab by PW.


    It's no doubt a money grab. Why is this even a surprise at this point? Since the ship was aleady being designed, this cost them NOTHING to do beyond code the way the veteran perks worked. I am sure the timer of days will go away for all but those who have paid the most in general.. monthly gold subscribers, unless they give to all of them as of ext month. Wait for it.
  • theultimatextheultimatex Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    amdarkwolf wrote: »
    Your not left with nothing. Stop thinking that way. You played the game X amount of time. The game doesn't have a 1000+ day lifespan left, so you can't blame them for 'cashing in' like this, gotta admit its LESS ferngi to do it this way then release yet another ****ty low drop lockbox.(Which they will anyways)

    Look at the history of other 'successful' cryptic games, and slowly come to the dark realization that sto does not have anywhere near 3 years left.


    Can you say 'cashing out'?

    I unfortunately must agree with you. It's why I suggested perks only via Captains chair as only veterans could get it. I correct that now to veterans and those with the CA$H.
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    probably because it's still a big insult to those who have been supporting this game for that long as well as being a blatant "we care about the money more than the fans". Had it not been for those who've actually been playing for 1000 days this game would have probably tanked during a lot of the earlier rough spots. Now everything we've been given as a "thank you for being there for us" is now available to buy. At this point they might as well throw it all in the C-store along side the liberated borg because Veteran doesn't mean anything now.



    Even though i've earned the Veteran title by playing every month since beta, i refuse to use it because now it's just a joke with a price tag.
  • mindmagemindmage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Bravo craptic Bravo. TRIBBLE off lifetimers more why don't ya? You people keep getting more and more pathetic every year. I hope CBS pulls the plug.
    Playing since launch in 2010.
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well, sorry for being born so late that I was only starting college 3 years ago, and so couldn't afford LTS when I really wanted to, and will only do so after next year.

    Sucks to be permanently 1300 days behind. Which btw occurs A LOT in PWE's other games.

    I'm glad the Ferengi Collective is learning a lesson or two from their 3/4 dead (and 1 completely dead) mmos. LOL


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  • tali9999tali9999 Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It's not over a ship and its not over the other vet rewards it was a system that was created to award players who paid a sub or bought lifetime, an achievement for reaching X number of days excited to get that new reward and a thank you for supporting the game.

    With what they did for this promo was completely invalidate the vet reward system which is pretty much dead now considering they are just handing it out to people that will throw out a credit card just to have a 200$ ship, how would you feel if they also added in full MK XII gear or everything in the Zen Store , maxed accolades etc, just so one person doesn't have to achieve anything but buy their way to the top ?

    Would you still feel the same way about it then all the hard work and support to the game thrown out the window just to have some schmoe buy his way to the top?

    I will be honest. I would not feel ANYTHING because i do not care what other players are doing and what they have.

    Some people have time and grind stuff. Some people have money and buy stuff. Different means to the same end. I don't care.

    The only thing i care about is me enjoying the game. If i feel it is worth my time and money, i am in. I do not go out to look at what clothes or jewelry other people are wearing. I only care about what is good for myself.

    And please let's not call "hard work" someone who bought a Lifetime sub a year ago and then disapeared to later come back from time ot time and get free stuff. That is not hard work.

    Americans ( or young people generally ) seem to have an issue with people buying themselve stuff to the top because they consider time invested is more an accomplishment than money invested ( which really is not in truth ). While i agree this statement can be open to debate, i can bet with you that devs really favor money invested by players alot more than their time invested in the game. So it is a no brainer to know what inclination devs will have and who they will tend to favor when they can.
  • xsharpexxsharpex Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This recent move by PWE/Cryptic has certainly left a bitter, disgusting taste in the mouths of many players who have been here since the early days. To fully understand why we feel this way, you have to look as the situation through our perspective.

    We were the foundation for which this game has built itself upon. Without us, there would have been no game.

    We paid for this game. Literally. I remember people buying multiple copies of the retail boxed version of STO for the special items that they came with. Each vendor had a special item you can claim through the c-store. People bought multiple copies @ $50 a piece (regular) or $90 a piece (collector's), on top of a subscription (monthly or LTS). In the very beginning, when there was only a promise of a Star Trek game, we made this commitment and have stuck with it ever since. Free to play is only 9 months old. There were no gold and silver players before that. We were all subscribers. We paid to play the game you enjoy for free today. Without the initial investment and the ongoing commitment of many other players, Atari then Cryptic then PWE wouldn't have had the resources to continue let alone expand the game to where it is today.

    We dedicated ourselves to this game. We invested countless hours running missions and exploring the game, all the while identifying issues, bugs and other areas that needed improvement so the game could become better. People usually get paid for their time to do this. We did it for them and we paid them for the pleasure of doing it for them. We paid to play this game, which upon release was barebones. We paid to play this incomplete game and had to time after time report issues for the dev team to fix. We provided feedback and suggestions for the dev teams time and time again. We dedicated ourselves to a to this dream of a game; the very game that many of you ***** and moan about, yet play for free. Sure there will always be bugs. There will always be something to fix. But we put in the time and the money so we could make this a better, more enjoyable experience.

    We played the game when there was no game. Imagine leveling a klingon from level 1-40 with nothing except PVP. Yup, we did it. We created our own fun. In the long droughts where there was no new content, we endured it. Many paid to endure it. The game simply did not stop during that year when there was nothing to do. People still played and they paid to do so. We've seen the content come and go. We beta tested this content for you, so you wouldn't have to deal with all the bugs and issues that we had to deal with. We spent time developing our characters. We didn't reach level 50 in one weekend. Levels took time to achieve. It took patience and dedication. We actually had to do all the sector block missions in addition to the story line to make rank. We played everything, because frankly, we had to in order to progress.

    All in all, it is about the Vet Rewards and it isn't about the Vet Rewards. The reason why most of us are mad is because of how we're being treated. These Vet Rewards were something that made us special. Something that differentiated us from all the rest. It was their way of saying thank you to us vets for all the reasons listed above and more. Sure, the rewards themselves aren't the issue. It's the lack of acknowledgement, recognition and overall thanks from both the company and the players that we've seen. Some of us are mad, but most of us are just simply hurt. We just want to hold onto something that makes us special. We're not entitled brats with selfish motives. We have a legitimate reason to feel hurt and betrayed.

    We truly loved this game. We truly love the franchise. Why else would we have stuck around for so long? For many of us, this game has been our work in progress. It has been our second homes and our sanctuary. So excuse us as we fume while the house we built is being foreclosed on and our sanctuary pillaged.
  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I own at least 6 retail/digital copies of the game and an LTS and love they letting everyone have the LTS perks out of the gate. I'm not sure how keeping something away from someone that they will eventually get anyway some how makes the game more fun for me.

    I say GJ cryptic and it should pump more money into the game that should help keep the afloat and that helps all players LTS & even F2P.
  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xsharpex wrote: »
    Imagine leveling a klingon from level 1-40 with nothing except PVP. Yup, we did it.

    Hey now, don't even try telling me that Empire Defense wasn't exciting and awesome! I leveled one character to Brigadier General on that alone!

    No. Seriously. I did.

    I actually kind of wish I were joking there. I like Birds-of-Prey that much.
    xsharpex wrote: »
    In the long droughts where there was no new content, we endured it. Many paid to endure it.

    I bought my way up to fifteen character slots during the drought, and bought several of them new ships. Beyond leveling alts there was nothing else to do. Remember when you had to spec into ships nearly individually? Also remember when Emblem Gear and the like wasn't character bound on pickup? Basically what I'm saying is... do you remember when it made some kind of sense to do that, before Cryptic changed the playing field and made all of what I'd done and paid for there a waste?

    I now use all of those nearly worthless alts for DOffing because, really, who wants to grind on fifteen different characters...?
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well it's not really just LTS'ers, is it? I know gold members who have been playing monthly since launch, with all the pre-orders as well... Thoose are people who feel cheated too.

    This decision is stupid, and bordeline insane, considering the rep both Cryptic and PWE have out on the internet (at least the ones I could find).

    This is a method of luring naive people into spending more... nothing else. It's Cryptic and PWE's way of creating the illusion that theese new LTS'ers have spend less, but in fact they have spend more...

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  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I am a 957 Day LTS player in STO who isn't playing anymore, so I'm not going to benefit from this new feature here.

    However! I am a 545 Day LTS player in CO... I have more to gain over there....

    Cryptic: Please bring this feature to your other games. :D

    :cool:

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