Yeah, looking at the chart I see the peregrine is the "unfinished" version. Also something i've wondered about, any plans to update the couple of ships which models have been updated? Minor thing but the T4 Galaxy appears to be the older model before it was improved. Another i'm not positive on but has the Defiant been updated as well? I thought the current ones nacelles sloped inward as it's supposed to?
Really those are minor things and as i've said before this chart is pure awesome, I keep planning to get it printed out in poster form myself...would be sweet on my wall.
They boosted the HP of the Peregrine and To'duj from 5000 to 5500. Also, the turn rate is now confirmed to be 33 deg/sec and an impulse modifier of 0.30.
There's a LOT of mistakes that need to be fixed:
Class F shuttle has a turn rate of 24, not 28 and hull of 5000, not 6000.
Starter Cruiser has an inertia of 50, not 45.
TOS Constitution has turn rate of 11.4, not 11.
Cruiser has turn rate of 9, not 8.
Heavy Cruiser has turn rate of 8, not 7.
Advanced Heavy Cruiser has an inertia of 30, not 40.
Dreadnought Cruiser has an inertia of 25, not 15.
Exploration Cruiser Retrofit has impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.17.
Light Escort has turn rate of 14, not 16 and an impulse modifier of 0.17, not 0.20.
Tactical Escort Retrofit has an inertia of 70, not 60.
Fleet Escort has an inertia of 60, not 70.
Science Vessel has turn rate of 14, not 11 and impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.13.
Research Science Vessel has impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.17.
Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit has an inertia of 50, not 33.
Advanced Research Science Vessel has an inertia of 40, not 30 and a hull of 21000, not 20000 and a turn rate of 8, not 9.
Reconnaissance Science Vessel has impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.17.
Advanced Research Science Vessel Retrofit has an inertia of 40, not 30.
Deep Space Science Vessel has a hull of 28500, not 27000.
Vulcan D'Kyr Science Vessel has a hull of 30000, not 31200.
Toron Shuttle has an inertia of 100, not 10.
Duj'hod Chariot has an inertia of 100, not 10.
B'rel Bird of Prey has a hull of 10000, not 8000.
Qorgh Raptor has a hull of 22000, not 18000.
Pach Raptor has a hull of 27500, not 22500.
K't'inga Battle Cruiser has an inertia of 35, not 30.
Negh'var Battle Cruiser has an inertia of 25, not 15.
Guramba Siege Destroyer has an inertia of 70.
Marauder Patrol Cruiser has an inertia of 30.
Vor'cha Battle Cruiser has an inertia of 30, not 20.
Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit has an inertia of 30, not 20.
Vo'quv Carrier has an inertia of 20, not 10.
Kar'fi Battle Carrier has an inertia of 25, not 10.
Varanus Fleet Support Vessel has a hull of 28500, not 34000 and an inertia of 40, not 70.
I've gone through all Federation and Klingon ships.
the chart updates are looking good spidermitch i haven't seen any inconsistensies between them yet, but i'll let you know if i do
i have noticed something however... on the Klingon chart, both of the Tor'Kaht ship costumes have the 160 Atari Tokens beneath it (this is good, because the entire ship doesn't cost that, just that costume)
shouldn't the same be done to the extra Fed ship costumes, using their respective prices? (The Adv. Escort Hephaestus; Fleet Escort Maelstrom; Assault Cruiser Imperial; Star Cruiser Noble; Reconissance Science Vessel Comet; and Deep Space Science Vessel Nimbus)
in the order I listed above, the prices for all of them are 160 Atari Tokens (except the Imperial, which is 240)
That's actually a bug with both fighters. If you save anything from the ship customization window, the model is reverted to the lower-quality NPC-version. QA is aware of the problem, so hopefully a fix will come before they're released.
Yeah, looking at the chart I see the peregrine is the "unfinished" version. Also something i've wondered about, any plans to update the couple of ships which models have been updated? Minor thing but the T4 Galaxy appears to be the older model before it was improved. Another i'm not positive on but has the Defiant been updated as well? I thought the current ones nacelles sloped inward as it's supposed to?
Really those are minor things and as i've said before this chart is pure awesome, I keep planning to get it printed out in poster form myself...would be sweet on my wall.
I hope to go through and clean up some of the 3quarter angles & a few of the models that got overhauled by Cryptic. I'll be doing this as time permits. Oh, and Skippy2k, send me a pic if you get it printed out anytime. spidermitch@live.com
...There's a LOT of mistakes that need to be fixed:...
I've gone through all Federation and Klingon ships.
Thank you for all these corrections; with all the changes that go on in-game, it's difficult to keep up with each and every stat, so I really appreciate you taking the time & posting it up here. I'll be including all these updates today, and should be able to upload it before this weekend. Thank you! It's the community and people like yourself that help me keep this thing accurate & up-to-date as possible!
...on the Klingon chart, both of the Tor'Kaht ship costumes have the 160 Atari Tokens beneath it (this is good, because the entire ship doesn't cost that, just that costume)
shouldn't the same be done to the extra Fed ship costumes, using their respective prices? (The Adv. Escort Hephaestus; Fleet Escort Maelstrom; Assault Cruiser Imperial; Star Cruiser Noble; Reconissance Science Vessel Comet; and Deep Space Science Vessel Nimbus)
in the order I listed above, the prices for all of them are 160 Atari Tokens (except the Imperial, which is 240)
Trek17, I'd been meaning to go back and add the skin prices. I even had it on my "to-do list" for a while, but I guess it fell through the cracks and I never remembered to go back and do this for Fed ship skin / classes. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll try to have them all included very soon, if not in the next update.
Thank you for all these corrections; with all the changes that go on in-game, it's difficult to keep up with each and every stat, so I really appreciate you taking the time & posting it up here. I'll be including all these updates today, and should be able to upload it before this weekend. Thank you! It's the community and people like yourself that help me keep this thing accurate & up-to-date as possible!
What we do is a labor of love. Thank you, Spidermitch, I know myself and the rest of STO community really appreciates your work.
Okay fellas & ladies (all two of you) . I've uploaded the new versions of the two shipcharts. Got through all the corrections pretty quick, so hopefully I haven't missed anything. If I did, just drop me a note & I'll make any corrections as soon as I can. Enjoy!
P.S. Here's a sample of the Graphical Ship Equipment Chart I'm compiling in my spare time for fun. Keep in mind, it's a rough sample. The pic is just there as a placeholder... just me flying around with my Aegis set on.
P.S. Here's a sample of the Graphical Ship Equipment Chart I'm compiling in my spare time for fun. Keep in mind, it's a rough sample. The pic is just there as a placeholder... just me flying around with my Aegis set on. [/COLOR]
Spidermitch, there's still a few corrections that weren't made into the chart that I had previously listed:
FED: Long Range Science Vessel (Retrofit) has an inertia of 50, not 33
KDF: To'Duj Fighter has a hull of 5500, not 5000; turn rate of 33, not 30; impulse modifier of 0.30, not 0.25
Spidermitch, there's still a few corrections that weren't made into the chart that I had previously listed:
FED: Long Range Science Vessel (Retrofit) has an inertia of 50, not 33
KDF: To'Duj Fighter has a hull of 5500, not 5000; turn rate of 33, not 30; impulse modifier of 0.30, not 0.25
Got it...
LRSVR corrected on FED v7.4; To'Duj Fighter corrected on KDF v4.9 now...
You may have to refresh the files to get the most current version.
Good thing I checked back here before closing the file. Thx for double-checking! :cool:
okay, seriously... PhyrexianHero, we owe you a lot of thanks, just for cleaning up all those small mistakes
(and also, the Equipment chart sample is looking great spidermitch i can't wait for the finished version!)
okay, seriously... PhyrexianHero, we owe you a lot of thanks, just for cleaning up all those small mistakes
(and also, the Equipment chart sample is looking great spidermitch i can't wait for the finished version!)
He should rename himself to AccuracyHero or something like that.
PhyrexianHero: How do you figure out the correct turn rates? I always find this difficult to do, as too much stuff affects the final value displayed.
I'm pretty sure the Klingon starter ship does not have a "Battle" Cloak.
Also, as far as I can tell Federation starter ships (Miranda, Constitution, Oberth, NX) do not get all the ship type modifiers.
I'm pretty sure the Klingon starter ship does not have a "Battle" Cloak.
Also, as far as I can tell Federation starter ships (Miranda, Constitution, Oberth, NX) do not get all the ship type modifiers.
You're correct, the starter KDF BoP only has a standard cloak. Also, as far as the Fed starters, I can confirm the only ones with any kind of ship power boost are the NX (+5 Weapons Power) and Oberth (+5 Aux Power). All the others (including the Connie) have +0 all Power. I can not speak to the other ship type modifiers.
He should rename himself to AccuracyHero or something like that.
PhyrexianHero: How do you figure out the correct turn rates? I always find this difficult to do, as too much stuff affects the final value displayed.
Haha, I try
I know of no way you can find out the turn rate from just regularly flying the vessel, but fortunately that data is given at the Tier consoles in ESD Starship Requisitions and Qo'noS Shipyard.
I confirmed the following:
Light Cruiser & TOS Constitution: +5 Power to all Subsystems
NX: +5 Power to Weapons
Oberth: +5 Power to Auxiliary
...Light Cruiser & TOS Constitution: +5 Power to all Subsystems...
Huh, well this is new.
I wonder when this went live. The last time I did testing on the starter birds was in January and the LC/Connie gave no bonus at that time... :rolleyes:
Anyone have the Release Notes on this, or was it a Stealth Update?
Looks like I have to make another change to my Power Calculatr. :cool:
I have just run the tutorial to check a completely unmodified (no traits or skills) Light Cruiser. I can confirm with complete certainty that the Light Cruiser has no power modifiers. It had straight 50s for power.
Unless there have been some major unpublished modifications to the TOS Connie. It should have very similar stats to the Miranda (variance in turn rate) with the following exceptions. It has 20% more hull points and an extra Engineering console slot.
@PhyrexianHero are you certain about your stats? Could they be getting thrown off by bonuses of some sort?
You're correct, the starter KDF BoP only has a standard cloak. Also, as far as the Fed starters, I can confirm the only ones with any kind of ship power boost are the NX (+5 Weapons Power) and Oberth (+5 Aux Power). All the others (including the Connie) have +0 all Power. I can not speak to the other ship type modifiers.
Hey guys just a quick note that ill try to get the bop cloak Nx and oberth extras on there in the next day or two. Lemme know what we figure out about the Connie. Ill check back,here when I start on the updates. Either way, I really,appreciate everyone's passion for accuracy!
P.s. thx to those that dropped by to say thanks. While praise is not required, it's always welcomed & makes me smile. Haha
I have just run the tutorial to check a completely unmodified (no traits or skills) Light Cruiser. I can confirm with complete certainty that the Light Cruiser has no power modifiers. It had straight 50s for power.
Unless there have been some major unpublished modifications to the TOS Connie. It should have very similar stats to the Miranda (variance in turn rate) with the following exceptions. It has 20% more hull points and an extra Engineering console slot.
@PhyrexianHero are you certain about your stats? Could they be getting thrown off by bonuses of some sort?
The stats I quoted for the Tier 1's was from the consoles at ESD (the Oberth is supposed to have the +5 Aux according to Salaimi_Inferno). If practice differs from the stats, then there is either a typo on the page or a bug with the ship -- nevertheless, Cryptic should be notified to fix it. The ship info in the shipyard isn't always accurate -- I remember an instance where the Nebula had some wrong console information.
The stats I quoted for the Tier 1's was from the consoles at ESD (the Oberth is supposed to have the +5 Aux according to Salaimi_Inferno). If practice differs from the stats, then there is either a typo on the page or a bug with the ship -- nevertheless, Cryptic should be notified to fix it...
Ok, I just retested with a new Ensign 2 character, fresh out of the Training Mission, who has no space buffing Traits and no points invested in power altering skills.
Currently on Holodeck the Light Cruiser (including the TOS Connie) provide no Ship Power Buff. I own the NX and tested that as well, it is working as described in my link above and gives +5 to Weapon Power. I do not have the Oberth, so can not test that.
I was able to further confirm PH's note about the ESD Ship Database and it does say the Light Cruisers should have a +5 to all Subsystems. I opened the following ticket:
The ESD Ship Database describes both the Light Cruiser and TOS Constitution Class Cruiser as having +5 Power to all Subsystems. I just tested both ships, and neither has any Power buff affecting any of the subsystems. Please correct either the buff or the database (I prefer the former).
Bug Ticket #1,124,095.
Actually, now that I think about it, that doesn't make sense. I mean the Light Escort and Light Sci Vessel each get a reduced buff in the respective subsystem (+5, instead of +15, to Weapons and Aux respectively). Why should the Light Cruisers get the full Cruiser +5 to all Subs? It seems to me they should only be getting +2 or +3 to all four Subs...
Meh. We're out of Lieutenant so fast it doesn't really matter, does it? :rolleyes:
Actually, now that I think about it, that doesn't make sense. I mean the Light Escort and Light Sci Vessel each get a reduced buff in the respective subsystem (+5, instead of +15, to Weapons and Aux respectively). Why should the Light Cruisers get the full Cruiser +5 to all Subs? It seems to me they should only be getting +2 or +3 to all four Subs...
The buffs gained by the NX and Oberth appear to have been balanced out by both ships having less than half the crew of the Light Cruiser types. I can't really say if that's an effective mitigation. *shrugs* With all the Borg BOffs and Efficient captains running around a small buff to Light Cruiser power is hardly worth the resource allocation. The little Miranda/Luna kitbash ships I've flown have performed more than sufficiently to get my Fed' captains to their LtC promotions.:)
I know of no way you can find out the turn rate from just regularly flying the vessel, but fortunately that data is given at the Tier consoles in ESD Starship Requisitions and Qo'noS Shipyard.
The shipyard information used to be false for a very long time, it didn't contain the upgrade to the Cruiser turn rates and the turn rates of DSSV and RSV were switched.
It is possible that could fixed, but they have to be taken with care.
OP: I tried to have a copy of this up on the Klingon ship forums as well. Sadly copying breaks your format. If you would make a copy of your opening post in the klingon forums, I'll be happy to sticky it there, too.
OP: I tried to have a copy of this up on the Klingon ship forums as well. Sadly copying breaks your format. If you would make a copy of your opening post in the klingon forums, I'll be happy to sticky it there, too.
Nifty!
Congrats on the well deserved attention SpiderMitch!
OP: I tried to have a copy of this up on the Klingon ship forums as well. Sadly copying breaks your format. If you would make a copy of your opening post in the klingon forums, I'll be happy to sticky it there, too.
Edit post, Right click, Select All, Copy, (Back out of Edit post without saving)
Copy post to KDF forum, edit 1st post there, Clear everything, Paste, Save edit.
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Really those are minor things and as i've said before this chart is pure awesome, I keep planning to get it printed out in poster form myself...would be sweet on my wall.
There's a LOT of mistakes that need to be fixed:
Class F shuttle has a turn rate of 24, not 28 and hull of 5000, not 6000.
Starter Cruiser has an inertia of 50, not 45.
TOS Constitution has turn rate of 11.4, not 11.
Cruiser has turn rate of 9, not 8.
Heavy Cruiser has turn rate of 8, not 7.
Advanced Heavy Cruiser has an inertia of 30, not 40.
Dreadnought Cruiser has an inertia of 25, not 15.
Exploration Cruiser Retrofit has impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.17.
Light Escort has turn rate of 14, not 16 and an impulse modifier of 0.17, not 0.20.
Tactical Escort Retrofit has an inertia of 70, not 60.
Fleet Escort has an inertia of 60, not 70.
Science Vessel has turn rate of 14, not 11 and impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.13.
Research Science Vessel has impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.17.
Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit has an inertia of 50, not 33.
Advanced Research Science Vessel has an inertia of 40, not 30 and a hull of 21000, not 20000 and a turn rate of 8, not 9.
Reconnaissance Science Vessel has impulse modifier of 0.15, not 0.17.
Advanced Research Science Vessel Retrofit has an inertia of 40, not 30.
Deep Space Science Vessel has a hull of 28500, not 27000.
Vulcan D'Kyr Science Vessel has a hull of 30000, not 31200.
Toron Shuttle has an inertia of 100, not 10.
Duj'hod Chariot has an inertia of 100, not 10.
B'rel Bird of Prey has a hull of 10000, not 8000.
Qorgh Raptor has a hull of 22000, not 18000.
Pach Raptor has a hull of 27500, not 22500.
K't'inga Battle Cruiser has an inertia of 35, not 30.
Negh'var Battle Cruiser has an inertia of 25, not 15.
Guramba Siege Destroyer has an inertia of 70.
Marauder Patrol Cruiser has an inertia of 30.
Vor'cha Battle Cruiser has an inertia of 30, not 20.
Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit has an inertia of 30, not 20.
Vo'quv Carrier has an inertia of 20, not 10.
Kar'fi Battle Carrier has an inertia of 25, not 10.
Varanus Fleet Support Vessel has a hull of 28500, not 34000 and an inertia of 40, not 70.
I've gone through all Federation and Klingon ships.
i have noticed something however... on the Klingon chart, both of the Tor'Kaht ship costumes have the 160 Atari Tokens beneath it (this is good, because the entire ship doesn't cost that, just that costume)
shouldn't the same be done to the extra Fed ship costumes, using their respective prices? (The Adv. Escort Hephaestus; Fleet Escort Maelstrom; Assault Cruiser Imperial; Star Cruiser Noble; Reconissance Science Vessel Comet; and Deep Space Science Vessel Nimbus)
in the order I listed above, the prices for all of them are 160 Atari Tokens (except the Imperial, which is 240)
I hope to go through and clean up some of the 3quarter angles & a few of the models that got overhauled by Cryptic. I'll be doing this as time permits. Oh, and Skippy2k, send me a pic if you get it printed out anytime. spidermitch@live.com
Thank you for all these corrections; with all the changes that go on in-game, it's difficult to keep up with each and every stat, so I really appreciate you taking the time & posting it up here. I'll be including all these updates today, and should be able to upload it before this weekend. Thank you! It's the community and people like yourself that help me keep this thing accurate & up-to-date as possible!
Trek17, I'd been meaning to go back and add the skin prices. I even had it on my "to-do list" for a while, but I guess it fell through the cracks and I never remembered to go back and do this for Fed ship skin / classes. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll try to have them all included very soon, if not in the next update.
What we do is a labor of love. Thank you, Spidermitch, I know myself and the rest of STO community really appreciates your work.
P.S. Here's a sample of the Graphical Ship Equipment Chart I'm compiling in my spare time for fun.
Kewl
FED: Long Range Science Vessel (Retrofit) has an inertia of 50, not 33
KDF: To'Duj Fighter has a hull of 5500, not 5000; turn rate of 33, not 30; impulse modifier of 0.30, not 0.25
Got it...
LRSVR corrected on FED v7.4; To'Duj Fighter corrected on KDF v4.9 now...
You may have to refresh the files to get the most current version.
Good thing I checked back here before closing the file. Thx for double-checking! :cool:
(and also, the Equipment chart sample is looking great spidermitch
PhyrexianHero: How do you figure out the correct turn rates? I always find this difficult to do, as too much stuff affects the final value displayed.
Also, as far as I can tell Federation starter ships (Miranda, Constitution, Oberth, NX) do not get all the ship type modifiers.
Haha, I try
I know of no way you can find out the turn rate from just regularly flying the vessel, but fortunately that data is given at the Tier consoles in ESD Starship Requisitions and Qo'noS Shipyard.
I confirmed the following:
Light Cruiser & TOS Constitution: +5 Power to all Subsystems
NX: +5 Power to Weapons
Oberth: +5 Power to Auxiliary
I wonder when this went live. The last time I did testing on the starter birds was in January and the LC/Connie gave no bonus at that time... :rolleyes:
Anyone have the Release Notes on this, or was it a Stealth Update?
Looks like I have to make another change to my Power Calculatr. :cool:
Unless there have been some major unpublished modifications to the TOS Connie. It should have very similar stats to the Miranda (variance in turn rate) with the following exceptions. It has 20% more hull points and an extra Engineering console slot.
@PhyrexianHero are you certain about your stats? Could they be getting thrown off by bonuses of some sort?
Hey guys just a quick note that ill try to get the bop cloak Nx and oberth extras on there in the next day or two. Lemme know what we figure out about the Connie. Ill check back,here when I start on the updates. Either way, I really,appreciate everyone's passion for accuracy!
P.s. thx to those that dropped by to say thanks. While praise is not required, it's always welcomed & makes me smile. Haha
The stats I quoted for the Tier 1's was from the consoles at ESD (the Oberth is supposed to have the +5 Aux according to Salaimi_Inferno). If practice differs from the stats, then there is either a typo on the page or a bug with the ship -- nevertheless, Cryptic should be notified to fix it. The ship info in the shipyard isn't always accurate -- I remember an instance where the Nebula had some wrong console information.
Currently on Holodeck the Light Cruiser (including the TOS Connie) provide no Ship Power Buff. I own the NX and tested that as well, it is working as described in my link above and gives +5 to Weapon Power. I do not have the Oberth, so can not test that.
I was able to further confirm PH's note about the ESD Ship Database and it does say the Light Cruisers should have a +5 to all Subsystems. I opened the following ticket:
Bug Ticket #1,124,095.
Actually, now that I think about it, that doesn't make sense. I mean the Light Escort and Light Sci Vessel each get a reduced buff in the respective subsystem (+5, instead of +15, to Weapons and Aux respectively). Why should the Light Cruisers get the full Cruiser +5 to all Subs? It seems to me they should only be getting +2 or +3 to all four Subs...
Meh. We're out of Lieutenant so fast it doesn't really matter, does it? :rolleyes:
The shipyard information used to be false for a very long time, it didn't contain the upgrade to the Cruiser turn rates and the turn rates of DSSV and RSV were switched.
It is possible that could fixed, but they have to be taken with care.
Congrats on the well deserved attention SpiderMitch!
Edit post, Right click, Select All, Copy, (Back out of Edit post without saving)
Copy post to KDF forum, edit 1st post there, Clear everything, Paste, Save edit.
Or have Mitch do it, yeah :P
I want him to have his name up there, not mine.
this is why klingons can't have nice things