You're absolutely right, Suri, about the size of these charts. I've once or twice thought about breaking it up, with higher tiers on a separate instance, but personally, I like the way the thing looks with all tiers on it right now. However, if in the far future there are too many per tier, and it warrants such a split, that may be a direction we both have to go
I think the problem stems from the fact that we want to make the charts so they can be printed out (thus they need to be high resolution), it was much easier when the game launched as there wasn't as many ships! Currently my chart is made from 3 seperate files, otherwise the computer starts slowing down and makes working on the chart tedious!
Currently I have both the KDF and Federation on one chart, which makes the chart even bigger, lol.
You and I have talked a bit offline, and even though we see differently about the way we want to present the information, I'm always thankful for suggestions & criticism... it's how we can work to make the best possible resources! So thanks for taking the time for the suggestions!
It's great to see the different ways people present the same information, I'm still glad the interface in game for the shipyards seems to of been inspired by our charts. :-)
So glad I refound this post. I've been lost without the charts!!
Yeah, the devs asked me to put it under Federation Shipyards & Klingon Fleetyards. I know some people were used to it being under the Academy. Spread the word; let anyone know where it's listed now! Also: at the very top of the chart, I put a bit.ly URL redirector that will always go to this post. FYI: It's http://bit.ly/stoshipchart
I love these charts. I'm just thankful to SpiderMitch for creating them.
In terms of improvements you might want to:
1). Add the saucer separation icon button to the bottom of the Exploration Cruiser (Retrofit).
2). Delete the second period in impulse modifier under the Star Cruiser section.
Everything looks great! Please keep up the good work. I am a big fan!
Thanks!
1) Got it v7.8.3 posted today (8/12) - you may need to refresh the image if you still don't see it.
2) Didn't even notice that! Thanks for letting me know!
3) Thx for being a fan
Okay. Gots that there Venture up there. Let me know if you spot any mistakes / changes that need fixin. Remember to hit F5 (refresh) if you still see the old image up there. As always, your opinions are welcomed and suggestions considered. Below is the update log:
FED v7.8.4 - 7.8.6 - Major changes: Combined all LCARS brackets from T1-T4 | Added new LCARS style drop down for BOFS and Consoles T2-T4 | changed all image dropshadows | Created new Header Graphic, with new colors and rearrange verbiage of title | revamped energy credit cost of T2-T4 w EC icon graphic | Created new column for Captain level ships | Added Venture class ship angle pics & stats (still subject to change) Also, power icon and description will be added / corrected when the ship hits holodeck | Also added Venture to VA ships (will take a pic of saucer sep laters). | Modified Captain tier header | Removed Wep Type and Projectile type info boxes on the right... Not sure if I'll add them back later or not. | moved wep arc info to right corner (my add it to the bottom left newbie corner... not sure yet.)
P.S. I thought you guys may wanna see a peek at the craziness this chart's become <<LINK>>
@spidermitch
Hey thanks for your hard work! The charts are a thing of beauty.
This is a really minor thing, but if it isn't already on your todo list, the lines saying "Atari tokens" should get changed to "Cryptic points" or C-Store points" at some point. I've seen conflicting reports of what exactly they will be called since apparently the Gold subscriber stipend points will not be usable in the Champions store, for instance? Not sure.
Although, considering the C-Store itself hasn't patched out all of the little Atari logos I'd say you're good for a while.
So if anyone out there would like to help out this lowly chart-maker, and has a Dreadnought and purchased the Venture class skin.... Please consider taking a few minutes to take pictures of the various angles of your ship in the ship creator with a pure VentureX skin. Use the Gal-X pictures on the chart to see the angles I need.
First person to send me these pics earns 2000 Cryptic Points! (LOL Right --- like I've ever had that many.) But you will be thanked for your contribution! If not, the default Venture will remain there until the game goes F2P and I can spend my stipend points on the Dread, then Venture.... and I think that will be quite a while from now, as I love my Excelsior!
By the way, any feedback on the Player Rank ability sections on the column / tier headers? I think it's a nice addition to let you know what space powers you get at that rank... but I wanted to get feedback if anyone has anything to say.
FED v7.8.8 - Added Player Rank ability section to each tier header with icons representing abilities | replaced (hopefully all) Atari Point text with the C-store Cryptic Point icon | Corrected font sizes on many prices | Moved wep firing arc section to branch off Starter section | Revamped background legend | put a ? for antimatter spread icon. (i gotta remember to get in the game and take a pic of that console!) | Replaced Venture pics for Refit (still gotta go back and take pics of saucer sep and if anyone has the default skin on their Dreadnought, send me some pics!) | added placeholder Venture class on Dread section | changed lighting on a few ships
The only real drawback to your awesome chart is that it's so large, everytime I open it I wish I had a bigger monitor.
Seriously, it looks great. I like the new Captain Abilities added at the top. Nice touch.
Here's something I've noticed for a while now: You have different backdrop colors ("beam effect"), and you've got a legend for three of the colors Gold for C-Store Only, Pink for Optional C-Store, Green for Vet. But you've also got three other shades of blue that aren't defined. By context I figure these are just "free with game basic ships." Personally, I like best the bright blue you've got behind the Type-8 and Runabout shuttles, followed by the "purple-ish" darker blue behind the Starter, Commander, etc. ships. I don't much care for the "green-ish" blue behind the Lt.Commander, Captain, etc. ships. Looks dirty, and frankly it looks too much like the Vet reward color to me.
What's your thought behind why there's three different shades for "basic" ships? Ever considered adding this to the legend and/or making them one color (go with the bright blue )?
I absolutely love your ship charts. I think I might be able to help you out with the Venture-X. I've uploaded all of the images to an album on photobucket. Feel free to help yourself if you think these images will work!
Don't know if you know of this or not, but each time I try to access the Federation Chart, the image won't load and I receive the message: "The image 'http://www.spidermitch.com/sto/spidermitchfedshipchart.jpg' cannot be displayed because it contains errors."
LOVE the work you've done, especially the captain's powers it's a nice touch
though i did notice... on your first post in this thread, it says your Equipment Chart 0.5 is in 'Hiadus'. Isn't it supposed to be Hiatus, or is that intentional?
What's your thought behind why there's three different shades for "basic" ships? Ever considered adding this to the legend and/or making them one color (go with the bright blue )?
Haha... well, my thought process is that I was really busy when I added a dropshadow behind every ship and was toying with the idea of dimming the beam effects. After reading what you said and reviewing the chart, I agree. I'm going to restore the brighter blue colors behind the ships in the next version. Thanks for pointing it out; I probably would have overlooked it a few more times before noticing it.
I absolutely love your ship charts. I think I might be able to help you out with the Venture-X. I've uploaded all of the images to an album on photobucket. Feel free to help yourself if you think these images will work!
This is absolutely what I needed. Granted, these pics aren't super high-quality, but they will work for the time being. Thank you for contributing, SlothfulDragoon!!!! I'll put the shots on the next version of the chart (hopefully today or this weekend.)
LOVE the work you've done, especially the captain's powers it's a nice touch
though i did notice... on your first post in this thread, it says your Equipment Chart 0.5 is in 'Hiadus'. Isn't it supposed to be Hiatus, or is that intentional?
Okay, the Ship Equipment Chart.... I began work on it; had all the Aegis stuff and Borg stuff (the borg interface looked really awesome, by the way), but then after looking it over, I felt there needs to be more added to it. I then worked on the Breen Absolute Zero section and Reman prototype shield section... The problem becomes Cryptic is up in the air about future sets, and I'd rather put this off for a bit until things are finalized. I left the text in the original post to keep a reminder (and placeholder), but I was going to remove it until more sets are out there and I feel like I can give the chart some more attention. Needless-to-say, I have a chart that's rearing to go, but not until there's more things to fill it in with.
I took some higher res shots of the X from those angles as well, if you still need them or not here they are. With all these new ships these charts are getting crazy...but AWESOME-ER!
Haha... ...After reading what you said and reviewing the chart, I agree. I'm going to restore the brighter blue colors behind the ships in the next version. Thanks for pointing it out; I probably would have overlooked it a few more times before noticing it.
I took some higher res shots of the X from those angles as well, if you still need them or not here they are. With all these new ships these charts are getting crazy...but AWESOME-ER!
WOW THANK YOU! Both you and SlothfulDragoon really deserve props for contributing! Unfortunately, I didn't see your post until a bit after I had uploaded v7.8.9 this afternoon... :rolleyes:
But that's okay. I'll go back and add the higher-quality versions in there on my next pass through the Fed chart.
Next up: Getting the KDF chart updated with the Vor'Kang in the Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit section...
FED v7.8.9 - Replaced BOFF & Console backdrops with new LCARS hotness on RA & VA tiers, so they match with the rest. Currently First tier and Dread sections have faded look to BOFF Backdrop | Did some back end fancypantsing of LCARS interface on RA & VA columns | Reversed MVAE LCARS to match the rest of the chart | swapped faded gradients on all Shuttle row headers / footers | Re-enabled brighter blue beam effect background for all classes(thx PatricianVetinari) | modified dropshadow and outline of every ship, other than the larger ship pics | Added shots of Venture-X (thx SlothfulDragoon) - will be changing these out for higher quality pics from Skippy2k (didn't see the post in time ) | Fixed console ability icon on Oberth
Well, it was nice to have my fifteen minutes of forum fame (saved this version of the chart for nostalgia's sake). Thanks for making these charts and keep up the great work!
Wow. Indeed!!! I'll try to add the newest additions to the charts this weekend, possibly tomorrow.
I tried to get some shots of the new Thunderchild from the ship designer, but it looks like it's bugged on Redshirt right now, so unless I plan on ponying up the money on Holodeck, I may have to settle for the little pictures in the c-store. Since their new iteration of the store, their preview pics are small I'd much rather take them from the ship designer dude @ ESD.
That being said, I think I'll be updating some of the ship pics this weekend too. The RA Adv Escort angles bug me (and I just made RA with my kitty cat, so it kinda works out.) I'll update this post if I think of anything else while I'm working on it tomorrow / the weekend.
Oh, and I'm thinking about removing all prices (since they're all changing soon anyway). Whatcha think?
Wow. Indeed!!! I'll try to add the newest additions to the charts this weekend, possibly tomorrow.
I tried to get some shots of the new Thunderchild from the ship designer, but it looks like it's bugged on Redshirt right now, so unless I plan on ponying up the money on Holodeck, I may have to settle for the little pictures in the c-store. Since their new iteration of the store, their preview pics are small I'd much rather take them from the ship designer dude @ ESD.
That being said, I think I'll be updating some of the ship pics this weekend too. The RA Adv Escort angles bug me (and I just made RA with my kitty cat, so it kinda works out.) I'll update this post if I think of anything else while I'm working on it tomorrow / the weekend.
Oh, and I'm thinking about removing all prices (since they're all changing soon anyway). Whatcha think?
i'd wait on removing the prices Spidermitch here's why: the prices reflect what's on holodeck, not Tribble. sure they'll change when F2P hits holodeck, but that isn't till the end of the year (at the earliest). plus, all the prices are still in testing, so they'll be changing all over the place... removing the prices now would only confuse anyone using your ship charts, since they still need them until F2P hits.
just my two cents
and you have my sympathy for the load of work you have to work on
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I think the problem stems from the fact that we want to make the charts so they can be printed out (thus they need to be high resolution), it was much easier when the game launched as there wasn't as many ships! Currently my chart is made from 3 seperate files, otherwise the computer starts slowing down and makes working on the chart tedious!
Currently I have both the KDF and Federation on one chart, which makes the chart even bigger, lol.
It's great to see the different ways people present the same information, I'm still glad the interface in game for the shipyards seems to of been inspired by our charts. :-)
In terms of improvements you might want to:
1). Add the saucer separation icon button to the bottom of the Exploration Cruiser (Retrofit).
2). Delete the second period in impulse modifier under the Star Cruiser section.
Everything looks great! Please keep up the good work. I am a big fan!
Yeah, the devs asked me to put it under Federation Shipyards & Klingon Fleetyards. I know some people were used to it being under the Academy. Spread the word; let anyone know where it's listed now! Also: at the very top of the chart, I put a bit.ly URL redirector that will always go to this post. FYI: It's http://bit.ly/stoshipchart
Thanks!
1) Got it v7.8.3 posted today (8/12) - you may need to refresh the image if you still don't see it.
2) Didn't even notice that! Thanks for letting me know!
3) Thx for being a fan
Keep it up!!!
P.S. I thought you guys may wanna see a peek at the craziness this chart's become <<LINK>>
Hey thanks for your hard work! The charts are a thing of beauty.
This is a really minor thing, but if it isn't already on your todo list, the lines saying "Atari tokens" should get changed to "Cryptic points" or C-Store points" at some point. I've seen conflicting reports of what exactly they will be called since apparently the Gold subscriber stipend points will not be usable in the Champions store, for instance? Not sure.
Although, considering the C-Store itself hasn't patched out all of the little Atari logos I'd say you're good for a while.
I Love your charts
First person to send me these pics earns 2000 Cryptic Points! (LOL Right --- like I've ever had that many.) But you will be thanked for your contribution!
By the way, any feedback on the Player Rank ability sections on the column / tier headers? I think it's a nice addition to let you know what space powers you get at that rank... but I wanted to get feedback if anyone has anything to say.
The only real drawback to your awesome chart is that it's so large, everytime I open it I wish I had a bigger monitor.
Seriously, it looks great. I like the new Captain Abilities added at the top. Nice touch.
Here's something I've noticed for a while now: You have different backdrop colors ("beam effect"), and you've got a legend for three of the colors Gold for C-Store Only, Pink for Optional C-Store, Green for Vet. But you've also got three other shades of blue that aren't defined. By context I figure these are just "free with game basic ships." Personally, I like best the bright blue you've got behind the Type-8 and Runabout shuttles, followed by the "purple-ish" darker blue behind the Starter, Commander, etc. ships. I don't much care for the "green-ish" blue behind the Lt.Commander, Captain, etc. ships. Looks dirty, and frankly it looks too much like the Vet reward color to me.
What's your thought behind why there's three different shades for "basic" ships? Ever considered adding this to the legend and/or making them one color (go with the bright blue
http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/SlothfulDragoon/My%20Venture%20X/
Don't know if you know of this or not, but each time I try to access the Federation Chart, the image won't load and I receive the message: "The image 'http://www.spidermitch.com/sto/spidermitchfedshipchart.jpg' cannot be displayed because it contains errors."
Just thought I'd let you know...
though i did notice... on your first post in this thread, it says your Equipment Chart 0.5 is in 'Hiadus'. Isn't it supposed to be Hiatus, or is that intentional?
Haha... well, my thought process is that I was really busy when I added a dropshadow behind every ship and was toying with the idea of dimming the beam effects. After reading what you said and reviewing the chart, I agree. I'm going to restore the brighter blue colors behind the ships in the next version. Thanks for pointing it out; I probably would have overlooked it a few more times before noticing it.
This is absolutely what I needed. Granted, these pics aren't super high-quality, but they will work for the time being. Thank you for contributing, SlothfulDragoon!!!! I'll put the shots on the next version of the chart (hopefully today or this weekend.)
Okay, the Ship Equipment Chart.... I began work on it; had all the Aegis stuff and Borg stuff (the borg interface looked really awesome, by the way), but then after looking it over, I felt there needs to be more added to it. I then worked on the Breen Absolute Zero section and Reman prototype shield section... The problem becomes Cryptic is up in the air about future sets, and I'd rather put this off for a bit until things are finalized. I left the text in the original post to keep a reminder (and placeholder), but I was going to remove it until more sets are out there and I feel like I can give the chart some more attention. Needless-to-say, I have a chart that's rearing to go, but not until there's more things to fill it in with.
Oh, and sometimes spell-check doesn't do its job
Front:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7356/screenshot2011092311273.jpg
Side:
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8728/screenshot2011092311264.jpg
Top:
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/9912/screenshot2011092311284.jpg
Angle Views:
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1014/screenshot2011092311333.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1866/screenshot2011092311354.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6673/screenshot2011092311350.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8800/screenshot2011092311335.jpg
- Your "Biggest Fan"
H. Vetinari
WOW THANK YOU! Both you and SlothfulDragoon really deserve props for contributing! Unfortunately, I didn't see your post until a bit after I had uploaded v7.8.9 this afternoon... :rolleyes:
But that's okay. I'll go back and add the higher-quality versions in there on my next pass through the Fed chart.
Next up: Getting the KDF chart updated with the Vor'Kang in the Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit section...
Well done!!
http://startrekonline.com/node/2654
Wow. Indeed!!! I'll try to add the newest additions to the charts this weekend, possibly tomorrow.
I tried to get some shots of the new Thunderchild from the ship designer, but it looks like it's bugged on Redshirt right now, so unless I plan on ponying up the money on Holodeck, I may have to settle for the little pictures in the c-store. Since their new iteration of the store, their preview pics are small
That being said, I think I'll be updating some of the ship pics this weekend too. The RA Adv Escort angles bug me (and I just made RA with my kitty cat, so it kinda works out.) I'll update this post if I think of anything else while I'm working on it tomorrow / the weekend.
Oh, and I'm thinking about removing all prices (since they're all changing soon anyway). Whatcha think?
just my two cents
and you have my sympathy for the load of work you have to work on
But it's not just new ships you get to add, it's new stats. For example:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=3808976#post3808976
Lucky you.
Obviously things might change further, and the OP's judgements aside, but here's another heads-up/more details on Tribble ship updates:
>snip<
Edit: I took out this link, the one I posted below is more up to date.
they may not have the angles you need, but it's better than nothing, even if the stats change over time. hope this helps