well to be honest if this does go through as a full ship instead of a skin I would say that it is a sign of F2P ( not that it is a bad thing if they go the LOTRO route. ) but before they go to free 2 play I feel that they would need to expand the game by a factor of 2 content wise.
yeah i bet they are trying to figure out the life time subs before they go f2p imagine the uproar....
i would much prefer it if cryptic sold a mission arc that actually unlocked the ships ...
Sorry, but C-Store Mission content is an ABSOLUTE No-Go!
I will support cryptic buying preorders/cosmetics/new races ... all of them nice "toys", no "must haves" but this kind of content in the c-store is a step too far, as mission content should be be available to ALL players, not just C-Store Cutomers.
yeah i bet they are trying to figure out the life time subs before they go f2p imagine the uproar....
well that depends Dstahl talked about the DDO, and LOTRO model. in that model you have three options.
lifetime everything is unlocked for life, and 500 points for their MT store
Subscribed everything is unlocked as long as you pay, and 500 points for the MT store
Free limited parts of the game is unlocked, you do not have access to most of the game, but you have the ability of buy more content on the MT store ( if I understand it right, also it is more like a large demo )
I don't know if it's going to be that big of an uproar. there will be some.
well that depends Dstahl talked about the DDO, and LOTRO model. in that model you have three options.
lifetime everything is unlocked for life, and 500 points for their MT store
Subscribed everything is unlocked as long as you pay, and 500 points for the MT store
Free limited parts of the game is unlocked, you do not have access to most of the game, but you have the ability of buy more content on the MT store ( if I understand it right, also it is more like a large demo )
I don't know if it's going to be that big of an uproar. there will be some.
Well we will see , i just remember the uproar when they tried to claim adventure packs in their cstore....
Your sarcasm isn't working because many of us do spend money to be in this game. With the economy the way it is, it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify such a casual expense. It also isn't working because subscription fees (inherently) are believed to be what funds a game's development, but somewhere along the line, people in suits decided they could stock their pockets some more and began dictating the direction of games (read: SOE). This is another classic example.
They gave us a poll and it seemed to me that the pretense was that we would be getting these ships in-game, not in the C-Store (by opening the poll to the whole subscribed public). But in the end, we've come to learn that the budget department was simply finding out what ships we would be most ravenous for so they could charge us for them.
Bad form. Period.
You know, not to try and be snarky per say - considering what it costs to go to a movie, or even eat at a fast food restaurant these days; even if you only play the game 1 hour a day on average over a 30 day period; at $15.00 a month, that $0.50 (50 cents) an hour (and LESS if you play more often in that same period). If your finances are to a point where that level of cost for a form of entertainment you enjoy is beyond your means; then you really shouldn't even be posting here, or maintaining the cost of an internet connection.
I DO understand that the C-Store (and microtransactions) in general get the ire of some people; but I honestly have to say, that the 'bang for you buck' entertainment ratio of pay for play MMOs is very good compared to most other forms of 'pay' entertainment/recreation.
Yes, you only pay for a 'single player' PC RPG once - but at most there are usually 20 hours of entertainment; and if you like the gameplay; your only option is to replay from scratch. With most MMOs; you're constantly getting new stuff (that's included in you subscription fee) added; and sometimes whole new character classes (hasn't happened with STO as yet); or entire new content avenues and mechanics (happening with STO in the Season 2.0 update with the Federation Diplomatic Corps stuff; and the as yet to be patched onto Tribble, but coming 'Weekly Mission' system; the new minigames and the expansion of ship interiors. )
This regardless of the extra items in the C-Store or not; it's not as if the $15.00 a month is either all that expensive in the long run; and you ARE continuing to see some return on that investment as it pertains to expansion of content in the game. In fact the C-Store income also helps fund that, whether or not you personally decide to purchase something from the store yourself or not. If the C-Store was not up, and generating income; I doubt the STO Dev team would have been able to remain at the size it is; and while we would still be seeing content and game expansion; we'd being seeing less of it overall, and what we did get would be coming at a slower pace than it is now.
Anybody recall the forums prior to launch? A fair sized group of hopeful players were pretty vocal about not wanting to see a C-store or micro transactions in STO. Of course just that has become a reality and $25.00 is hardly a micro transaction, it's a third a tank of gas.
here is a good price exchange between merits and C-store points .
I believe the intent of the statement of "getting them in game" was through task accomplishments, not via alternative currencies. To monetize in game currencies through value associations that can be connected in cryptic points is a REALLY bad idea. That could set up a long ranging problems I am sure Cryptic has absolutely no intention of dealing with.
You think they wouldn't run a poll just to determine what cool new features they can have people pay for?
STO quickly became one huge cash making process and less of an actual game
ping people, make fancy marketing posts, add limited piecemeal content, charge, make money, rinse, repeat.
This has been going on since CO shipped, and people seem surprised each time it occurs. It is quite shocking to watch.
How many times does the owner need to pull the food away from a dog when they get ready to take a bite, before the dog learns not to trust the human?
How many times does the average Cryptic game buyer/follower need?
If everyone accepts that this is a pure cash making endeavor, they will be better off, and probably cease having those ulcer pains, and sleep a tad better.
to be Honest if cryptic wanna keep making trash games according to ATARI's policy of churning out mmos in a rapid order they should stop dooing it to major IP's like startrek it has a wery rabid fanbase and i know trekkeis hate most of the games that has been made for startrek up til now... most of them been trash some nice gems but mostly banking on it beeing a trek game....
to be Honest if cryptic wanna keep making trash games according to ATARI's policy of churning out mmos in a rapid order they should stop dooing it to major IP's like startrek it has a wery rabid fanbase and i know trekkeis hate most of the games that has been made for startrek up til now... most of them been trash some nice gems but mostly banking on it beeing a trek game....
YOuy wanna churn out trash make up ur own ips
making your own IPs requires planning, storyboards, development research, user acceptance testing, etc
things that really cannot be done effectively in the quick turn around they do."Remaking" a superhero game, and getting a license with material already there (whether vaporware from Perpetual, or not, the ideas were there) seems to be what they can accomplish as of now.
Though I agree that they should buy up silly little 4th and 5th tiered IPs and make silly little MMOs for those, that way less overhead to make, make a small profit, move to next IP.
ultraman, godzilla, king kong, power rangers, that bike riding one, spongebob, fairly odd parents, etc.
The value of the ships needs to be reasonable. If they cost evem $10 of Cryptic points, it will be way too much. The Gal-X has already proven how it isn't worth $25 in criptic points or 5 Recruit-a-Friend effort.
If all 4 ships where offerd at the same time in that $25 Release, or the 5 Recruite-A-Friend Bonus, then that would be far more in line with the value that they have.
Cryptic needs to change the reward gotten from the effort or money put into either of those 2 methods. You should be getting all 4 of those ships, when you pay 25 nucks or recruit 5 friends, you should get the Gal-X, the Exce;sior, the Nebula class and the Constatution class, all in one package. With what they are, what they have, that would be far closer to equile in value and worth paying for, then how it is now.
I want those ships, but I wont pay another 25, or another 10 on each of them.
making your own IPs requires planning, storyboards, development research, user acceptance testing, etc
things that really cannot be done effectively in the quick turn around they do."Remaking" a superhero game, and getting a license with material already there (whether vaporware from Perpetual, or not, the ideas were there) seems to be what they can accomplish as of now.
Though I agree that they should buy up silly little 4th and 5th tiered IPs and make silly little MMOs for those, that way less overhead to make, make a small profit, move to next IP.
ultraman, godzilla, king kong, power rangers, that bike riding one, spongebob, fairly odd parents, etc.
yeah make a legend of the seeker mmo , eureka mmo etc ...... or if they want horror and sci fi games there is plenty of books and such they can work with if they dont wanna create stuff but reskin their current engine playing the empereors new clothes over and over... Either they need to focus on one major ip or make many trash ips a major ip can bring stabile cashflow is done right if done wrong it will ruin a companys image for ever...
The thread in which he made the post was about the refitted Galaxy, Defiant, and Intrepid. We will get one of those ship tokens when we reach level 51. If you want others, you can buy them from the C-Store. That was what I took from that quote.
that said, the Excelsior may well end up on the C-Store. The original Constitution that I got for pre-order bonus was 800 cp when released in the C-Store, I think that cost, and the cost of the Galaxy X, were reflective of the fact that other people had to pay real money earlier on to get that bonus, so they felt justified in charging a high price. I'd hope the other ships wont cost anywhere near the 2000cp that the Galaxy X costed. It's quite possible I'd buy none at that price. The 800 that the original Connie costs though, I could see that.
I'm still hoping we can refit the other tier 5 ships too or else the new skins people bought wont be seen anymore.
I felt a little burned by the cost of the Galaxy X. Don't get me wrong, it's neat and using cloak changes the entire course of a fight for the Fed, but I can probably kill stuff just as fast and as well using the regular assault cruiser. So I hope the new refits don't cost that high, and getting the first one free will probably be enough for most of us. Hopefully the Excelsior doens't try to charge so much; I love that ship, but not enough for just a skin to pay a very high price.
yeah make a legend of the seeker mmo , eureka mmo etc ...... or if they want horror and sci fi games there is plenty of books and such they can work with if they dont wanna create stuff but reskin their current engine playing the empereors new clothes over and over... Either they need to focus on one major ip or make many trash ips a major ip can bring stabile cashflow is done right if done wrong it will ruin a companys image for ever...
oooo eureka!!!!
That could be so fun with unlimited qadgets and missions... except we would be back in the c-store mania... buy the latest invention NOW!!!
The C-Store is the paradigm by which this Cryptic Game adds items and abilities to the game. We should all be aware of that by now and not besurpised that ships, emotes, bridges and such will be added in this way. As others have said it is a revenue stream which is importnat since there are lifetime memberships.
I see no reason why it should be the 2000 cryptic points that they are charging for the galaxy x...I mean sure, it's popular but what's so fancy about the excelsior that you need to charge an arm, leg, and first born child for???
Make it a skin for a T5.5 or make it a regular 5.0 ship that people as VA can fly around and be effective in. I am assuming that there is no penalty for flying a T5 ship around once we hit VA correct?...It wont benefit us to go forward...if that is the case make it a skin option or a ship option for T5 and call it a day...buy from cryptic store to unlock the availability from shipyard...Or sell it as a skin available for an assault and star cruiser.....
yeah the cstore thing is getting out of hand i hope cryptic understand it wount go down good with TREKKIES and once they leave this game is dead .
I hate to say this but I hink the stiore is going fine with most Trekkies as if stuff wasn't selling, I kind of doubt they'd continue adding to it. Yes, the Galaxy-X and the TOS 1701 ARE expensive (and the most expensive items there); but honestly, the MAJORITY of the items ARE 'fluff and rannge between $1 to $3 a pop. hardly bank breaking for the majority of the stuff there, even if you do decide you want it all.
On most Free to Play games, the small items START at $10.00.
I for one aint gonna buy any of the ships they gonna try to peddle for 25bucks ill be happy to buy skins and cosmetic stuff but i myself will not bend over for buying 25 dollars of somerhing that dont eaven exsist cause some marketing department think they found a way to print their own money.....
If i was a trek fan (like me ) i wouldent touch the ships unless they where skins...
Oh, the irony. Video games are luxuries, not necessities. You'd think Cryptic was denying you an organ transplant the way you carry on.
The buyer is the one with the final say. Customer satisfaction matters. Cryptic is a company providing a product to sell, not a goverment making laws that has to be obeyed. If we are not happy with the product, we have a right to complain, especially if the product quality and value does not match up with the money we gave it. As much as I understand that a company cannot run without selling product, and cannot maintain their equipment without paying their staff, or make new stuff to sell, they still must provide a quality product that is worth buying.
That is what is not happening. Payment has been given, but value has not been recived. A perception of having our intrested in the ST universe has been abused, is then left in our minds.
A Gal-X, for what it is, requiring either 5 recruited friends, or $25 worth of Cryptic points? The cloak, the lance, the boff configuration and the small ammount of extra hull are no where near that ammount of money or recruiting effort.
This fan base is the type to remember a problem like that, and is the type that will apply "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me." and will have a stronge reluctance to buying more ships.
The value recived, must equile the value that was either paid, or worked for.
That has not been met.
SO WITHOUT SPELLCHECKING YOU COULDENT READ WHAT I SAID ? i suggest you should learn norwegian instead here is a start for you DUST = thats norwegian for idiot
I see no reason why it should be the 2000 cryptic points that they are charging for the galaxy x...I mean sure, it's popular but what's so fancy about the excelsior that you need to charge an arm, leg, and first born child for???
I don't think it'll be 2000 cryptic points for a much more practical reason: they already know how many players they have that will shell out $25 CASH for a ship. This is an opportunity to test the water for other price ranges. Gather some data for future products. I'm still guessing $8-$10. I think the next ship release after the Excelsior and Nebula will be the ones that tell us what price point they've settled on as the best return for their developement time.
YOU MEAN WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY TO MAINTAIN THE GAME AND TO ALLOW UPDATES AND ADVANCE THE GAME AS A WHOLE!?! WTF!?! THATS HORRIBLE! CRYPTIC IS GREEDY! HOW DARE THEY EXPECT TO GET PAID FOR THE WORK THEY DO!!! GRRRRRRRR
(btw, that was sarcasm) ( lol )
Other than membership fee's which seem to be shrinking daily, this is the one thing that keeps Cryptic afloat, thus, I really don't care if they charge $10 for fluff, btw, no one's forcing you to buy it. You just won't be playing with that fluff is all.
I guess a monthly sub from the majority of players doesn't constitute as paying for content. So...pay a sub to get access to buy more content. Sounds like a great deal.
Had I known I'd have to purchase the game bit by bit after a lifetime purchase, I'd have made a wiser choice. Fool me once...
I'd also like to point out, if they spent more money on adding game elements instead of rehashing old missions, they might be able to bring in and keep more subs without having to rely on the c-store so much.
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yeah i bet they are trying to figure out the life time subs before they go f2p imagine the uproar....
Sorry, but C-Store Mission content is an ABSOLUTE No-Go!
I will support cryptic buying preorders/cosmetics/new races ... all of them nice "toys", no "must haves" but this kind of content in the c-store is a step too far, as mission content should be be available to ALL players, not just C-Store Cutomers.
well that depends Dstahl talked about the DDO, and LOTRO model. in that model you have three options.
lifetime everything is unlocked for life, and 500 points for their MT store
Subscribed everything is unlocked as long as you pay, and 500 points for the MT store
Free limited parts of the game is unlocked, you do not have access to most of the game, but you have the ability of buy more content on the MT store ( if I understand it right, also it is more like a large demo )
I don't know if it's going to be that big of an uproar. there will be some.
Well we will see , i just remember the uproar when they tried to claim adventure packs in their cstore....
You know, not to try and be snarky per say - considering what it costs to go to a movie, or even eat at a fast food restaurant these days; even if you only play the game 1 hour a day on average over a 30 day period; at $15.00 a month, that $0.50 (50 cents) an hour (and LESS if you play more often in that same period). If your finances are to a point where that level of cost for a form of entertainment you enjoy is beyond your means; then you really shouldn't even be posting here, or maintaining the cost of an internet connection.
I DO understand that the C-Store (and microtransactions) in general get the ire of some people; but I honestly have to say, that the 'bang for you buck' entertainment ratio of pay for play MMOs is very good compared to most other forms of 'pay' entertainment/recreation.
Yes, you only pay for a 'single player' PC RPG once - but at most there are usually 20 hours of entertainment; and if you like the gameplay; your only option is to replay from scratch. With most MMOs; you're constantly getting new stuff (that's included in you subscription fee) added; and sometimes whole new character classes (hasn't happened with STO as yet); or entire new content avenues and mechanics (happening with STO in the Season 2.0 update with the Federation Diplomatic Corps stuff; and the as yet to be patched onto Tribble, but coming 'Weekly Mission' system; the new minigames and the expansion of ship interiors. )
This regardless of the extra items in the C-Store or not; it's not as if the $15.00 a month is either all that expensive in the long run; and you ARE continuing to see some return on that investment as it pertains to expansion of content in the game. In fact the C-Store income also helps fund that, whether or not you personally decide to purchase something from the store yourself or not. If the C-Store was not up, and generating income; I doubt the STO Dev team would have been able to remain at the size it is; and while we would still be seeing content and game expansion; we'd being seeing less of it overall, and what we did get would be coming at a slower pace than it is now.
I believe the intent of the statement of "getting them in game" was through task accomplishments, not via alternative currencies. To monetize in game currencies through value associations that can be connected in cryptic points is a REALLY bad idea. That could set up a long ranging problems I am sure Cryptic has absolutely no intention of dealing with.
well, all I can say is 'duh'.
You think they wouldn't run a poll just to determine what cool new features they can have people pay for?
STO quickly became one huge cash making process and less of an actual game
ping people, make fancy marketing posts, add limited piecemeal content, charge, make money, rinse, repeat.
This has been going on since CO shipped, and people seem surprised each time it occurs. It is quite shocking to watch.
How many times does the owner need to pull the food away from a dog when they get ready to take a bite, before the dog learns not to trust the human?
How many times does the average Cryptic game buyer/follower need?
If everyone accepts that this is a pure cash making endeavor, they will be better off, and probably cease having those ulcer pains, and sleep a tad better.
YOuy wanna churn out trash make up ur own ips
At launch day, that bargain appears to have paid off handsomely. These days, it's harder to tell.
making your own IPs requires planning, storyboards, development research, user acceptance testing, etc
things that really cannot be done effectively in the quick turn around they do."Remaking" a superhero game, and getting a license with material already there (whether vaporware from Perpetual, or not, the ideas were there) seems to be what they can accomplish as of now.
Though I agree that they should buy up silly little 4th and 5th tiered IPs and make silly little MMOs for those, that way less overhead to make, make a small profit, move to next IP.
ultraman, godzilla, king kong, power rangers, that bike riding one, spongebob, fairly odd parents, etc.
If all 4 ships where offerd at the same time in that $25 Release, or the 5 Recruite-A-Friend Bonus, then that would be far more in line with the value that they have.
Cryptic needs to change the reward gotten from the effort or money put into either of those 2 methods. You should be getting all 4 of those ships, when you pay 25 nucks or recruit 5 friends, you should get the Gal-X, the Exce;sior, the Nebula class and the Constatution class, all in one package. With what they are, what they have, that would be far closer to equile in value and worth paying for, then how it is now.
I want those ships, but I wont pay another 25, or another 10 on each of them.
yeah make a legend of the seeker mmo , eureka mmo etc ...... or if they want horror and sci fi games there is plenty of books and such they can work with if they dont wanna create stuff but reskin their current engine playing the empereors new clothes over and over... Either they need to focus on one major ip or make many trash ips a major ip can bring stabile cashflow is done right if done wrong it will ruin a companys image for ever...
that said, the Excelsior may well end up on the C-Store. The original Constitution that I got for pre-order bonus was 800 cp when released in the C-Store, I think that cost, and the cost of the Galaxy X, were reflective of the fact that other people had to pay real money earlier on to get that bonus, so they felt justified in charging a high price. I'd hope the other ships wont cost anywhere near the 2000cp that the Galaxy X costed. It's quite possible I'd buy none at that price. The 800 that the original Connie costs though, I could see that.
I'm still hoping we can refit the other tier 5 ships too or else the new skins people bought wont be seen anymore.
I felt a little burned by the cost of the Galaxy X. Don't get me wrong, it's neat and using cloak changes the entire course of a fight for the Fed, but I can probably kill stuff just as fast and as well using the regular assault cruiser. So I hope the new refits don't cost that high, and getting the first one free will probably be enough for most of us. Hopefully the Excelsior doens't try to charge so much; I love that ship, but not enough for just a skin to pay a very high price.
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oooo eureka!!!!
That could be so fun with unlimited qadgets and missions... except we would be back in the c-store mania... buy the latest invention NOW!!!
hehe
Oh, the irony. Video games are luxuries, not necessities. You'd think Cryptic was denying you an organ transplant the way you carry on.
yeah the cstore thing is getting out of hand i hope cryptic understand it wount go down good with TREKKIES and once they leave this game is dead .
i like your signature thats about it...
In short, I have no issue with it.
same premise... word is word, broken is broken
it matters not life nor death, just that a word is broken
if someone lies about a game, or lies about a transplant, both are still lies.
Make it a skin for a T5.5 or make it a regular 5.0 ship that people as VA can fly around and be effective in. I am assuming that there is no penalty for flying a T5 ship around once we hit VA correct?...It wont benefit us to go forward...if that is the case make it a skin option or a ship option for T5 and call it a day...buy from cryptic store to unlock the availability from shipyard...Or sell it as a skin available for an assault and star cruiser.....
That's just my 2 cents.
I hate to say this but I hink the stiore is going fine with most Trekkies as if stuff wasn't selling, I kind of doubt they'd continue adding to it. Yes, the Galaxy-X and the TOS 1701 ARE expensive (and the most expensive items there); but honestly, the MAJORITY of the items ARE 'fluff and rannge between $1 to $3 a pop. hardly bank breaking for the majority of the stuff there, even if you do decide you want it all.
On most Free to Play games, the small items START at $10.00.
Please touch the spell-check instead.
Next poll everyone should vote for something they hate and wouldn't want in the game
The buyer is the one with the final say. Customer satisfaction matters. Cryptic is a company providing a product to sell, not a goverment making laws that has to be obeyed. If we are not happy with the product, we have a right to complain, especially if the product quality and value does not match up with the money we gave it. As much as I understand that a company cannot run without selling product, and cannot maintain their equipment without paying their staff, or make new stuff to sell, they still must provide a quality product that is worth buying.
That is what is not happening. Payment has been given, but value has not been recived. A perception of having our intrested in the ST universe has been abused, is then left in our minds.
A Gal-X, for what it is, requiring either 5 recruited friends, or $25 worth of Cryptic points? The cloak, the lance, the boff configuration and the small ammount of extra hull are no where near that ammount of money or recruiting effort.
This fan base is the type to remember a problem like that, and is the type that will apply "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me." and will have a stronge reluctance to buying more ships.
The value recived, must equile the value that was either paid, or worked for.
That has not been met.
SO WITHOUT SPELLCHECKING YOU COULDENT READ WHAT I SAID ? i suggest you should learn norwegian instead here is a start for you DUST = thats norwegian for idiot
Can you link us to these lies? I'd like to see the binding contract that guarantees everything in STO will be free.
I don't think it'll be 2000 cryptic points for a much more practical reason: they already know how many players they have that will shell out $25 CASH for a ship. This is an opportunity to test the water for other price ranges. Gather some data for future products. I'm still guessing $8-$10. I think the next ship release after the Excelsior and Nebula will be the ones that tell us what price point they've settled on as the best return for their developement time.
I guess a monthly sub from the majority of players doesn't constitute as paying for content. So...pay a sub to get access to buy more content. Sounds like a great deal.
Had I known I'd have to purchase the game bit by bit after a lifetime purchase, I'd have made a wiser choice. Fool me once...
I'd also like to point out, if they spent more money on adding game elements instead of rehashing old missions, they might be able to bring in and keep more subs without having to rely on the c-store so much.