I was really hoping the Nebula would be saved to be the T4 anchor of another line of ships, probably more flex-role than cruiser/sci/escort, added in the future.. you know... actually add to the game and richness of the gameplay diversity, rather than selling it off (and probably with special stats, too... ugh).
TRIBBLE this. I now officially regret my lifetime subscription.
I was really hoping the Nebula would be saved to be the T4 anchor of another line of ships, probably more flex-role than cruiser/sci/escort, added in the future.. you know... actually add to the game and richness of the gameplay diversity, rather than selling it off (and probably with special stats, too... ugh).
TRIBBLE this. I now officially regret my lifetime subscription.
think ill turn of my blue name in shame myself.....
I was really hoping the Nebula would be saved to be the T4 anchor of another line of ships, probably more flex-role than cruiser/sci/escort, added in the future.. you know... actually add to the game and richness of the gameplay diversity, rather than selling it off (and probably with special stats, too... ugh).
TRIBBLE this. I now officially regret my lifetime subscription.
well it's not set in stone yet, and dstahl did talk about other ways to get the ships. we just need to get more support, and let our voices be heard before it because to late.
well it's not set in stone yet, and dstahl did talk about other ways to get the ships. we just need to get more support, and let our voices be heard before it because to late.
iv given up on cryptic if we have to argue on the forums for every bit of content that we want in the game whats the point we shuould let the game die and have some other company have a go at making a TREK MMO
think ill turn of my blue name in shame myself.....
I would keep it on as a reminder... no invest in any for profit company for a life time server, and never sale away your right to vote with your money. ( that was not meant as an offense lifers. )
iv given up on cryptic if we have to argue on the forums for every bit of content that we want in the game whats the point we shuould let the game die and have some other company have a go at making a TREK MMO
there are two problems with that.
1. the forums let us shape the game, and our arguing can change the direction of the game.
2. if this game dies chances of a real star trek MMO go out the window. CBS controls the game in the end, and they have been trying to get it since 2000. first it was with the dev team that made ever quest, but the left to do another MMO. then perpetual took over and waited their time, now it's to cryptic, and if it dies I fear that not intelligent CEO would take a risk like this again. then again there is always farm trek in 2011 / 2012.
1. the forums let us shape the game, and our arguing can change the direction of the game.
2. if this game dies chances of a real star trek MMO go out the window. CBS controls the game in the end, and they have been trying to get it since 2000. first it was with the dev team that made ever quest, but the left to do another MMO. then perpetual took over and waited their time, now it's to cryptic, and if it dies I fear that not intelligent CEO would take a risk like this again. then again there is always farm trek in 2011 / 2012.
Well making a mmo with such a BIG IP is a big risk it has a wery passionate fan base and cryptic did go out of it way to pander to us in countless video intrewievs etc and now that we sit here we kinda feel cheated atleast i do .
Well making a mmo with such a BIG IP is a big risk it has a wery passionate fan base and cryptic did go out of it way to pander to us in countless video intrewievs etc and now that we sit here we kinda feel cheated atleast i do .
well continue to complain, as i said this is not set in stone yet. ( would say you could start a letter campaign, but that didn't work out so well the last time I did that )
I was really hoping the Nebula would be saved to be the T4 anchor of another line of ships, probably more flex-role than cruiser/sci/escort, added in the future.. you know... actually add to the game and richness of the gameplay diversity, rather than selling it off (and probably with special stats, too... ugh).
TRIBBLE this. I now officially regret my lifetime subscription.
I was hoping that one day they would invent 'hybrid' roles and ships... like a sci/cruiser, escort/cruiser or even a tact/sci officer or eng/tact blend.
With the tech out in the st universe, you could refit a cruiser to hold sci equipment and a sci ship to be armed to the teeth in the books/movies/shows.
well continue to complain, as i said this is not set in stone yet. ( would say you could start a letter campaign, but that didn't work out so well the last time I did that )
Only thing that would matter now is ppl refusing to use the cstore and since cryptic gonna try push iconic stuff in there the trekkeis might bite cause they want a screen or 2 of themself in a ICON ship i know this feeling wery well i love the klingon ships especially the Bird of Prey and the K'vort is my fave .....
2. if this game dies chances of a real star trek MMO go out the window. CBS controls the game in the end, and they have been trying to get it since 2000. first it was with the dev team that made ever quest, but the left to do another MMO. then perpetual took over and waited their time, now it's to cryptic, and if it dies I fear that not intelligent CEO would take a risk like this again. then again there is always farm trek in 2011 / 2012.
Risk? What kind of RISK do you think CBS indulges in these deals? They get paid, period. If STO folds, CBS will cheerfully look forward to the next company approaching it in the belief that they can tap the Star Trek brand and fanbase.
The only risk is that the next potential developer (not CBS) will look back at the traffic on this board and think "I wouldn't touch that customer base with a 10 foot pole." The level of slavish mimicry of the TV series that the fans demand is insane. Its like wondering why a college textbook is not the price of a newstand magazine. That level of research and precision takes far more time and money than the fans are willing to cough up to have it.
Only thing that would matter now is ppl refusing to use the cstore and since cryptic gonna try push iconic stuff in there the trekkeis might bite cause they want a screen or 2 of themself in a ICON ship i know this feeling wery well i love the klingon ships especially the Bird of Prey and the K'vort is my fave .....
I'm in the same boat. my absolute favorite ship is being added to the game, and it is going on the C-store. I love that ship, and to be honest I was expecting it to be in the game. ( no the vespa is not an excelsior ) well now it is coming to the c-store, and I don;t know if it's going to be 25 dollars, or 5 dollars, and to make matter worse if it going to be a game item, or a skin. if it is a game item I'm going to be forced to pick between what I believe about game items ( no game items unless you can get it in game) or the ship that I love.
Risk? What kind of RISK do you think CBS indulges in these deals? They get paid, period. If STO folds, CBS will cheerfully look forward to the next company approaching it in the belief that they can tap the Star Trek brand and fanbase.
The only risk is that the next potential developer (not CBS) will look back at the traffic on this board and think "I wouldn't touch that customer base with a 10 foot pole." The level of slavish mimicry of the TV series that the fans demand is insane. Its like wondering why a college textbook is not the price of a newstand magazine. That level of research and precision takes far more time and money than the fans are willing to cough up to have it.
that is the risk right there, and the risk of investing more money in something that the fans will tear apart.
I was really hoping the Nebula would be saved to be the T4 anchor of another line of ships, probably more flex-role than cruiser/sci/escort, added in the future.. you know... actually add to the game and richness of the gameplay diversity, rather than selling it off (and probably with special stats, too... ugh).
Actually, thats a pretty strong notion that doesn't directly conflict with it being released as a for-pay product. The rest of the ships would have to come later, but the basics of setting up a new line skill-wise and letting people respec into it once they high VA1 are doable with the current tech.
Even as an intermediate step you could release it as a "Mission Addaptable Cruiser" and give it a couple of selectable BO seats like some Klingon ships have.
I would do it. I would work hard in my free time to get the credits to buy the ship, and in the end I would get the ship, and a sense of accomplishment. I'm not sure about other people.
Indeed!
THIS schould be the goal, "binding" the players to the game by offering enough ingame incentives to keep them subscribed. This is what will keep the game afloat for a long time.
I'm in the same boat. my absolute favorite ship is being added to the game, and it is going on the C-store. I love that ship, and to be honest I was expecting it to be in the game. ( no the vespa is not an excelsior ) well now it is coming to the c-store, and I don;t know if it's going to be 25 dollars, or 5 dollars, and to make matter worse if it going to be a game item, or a skin. if it is a game item I'm going to be forced to pick between what I believe about game items ( no game items unless you can get it in game) or the ship that I love.
As just a costume pack, doing the Excelsior isn't worth the time - you're only in that level bracket a brief period which makes it a terible sales product.
Best compromise that comes to my mind is have the "Excelsior Pack" include BOTH a costume set for tier 2 cruisers AND a tier 5 "Refit Cruiser" version with unique stats.
If you ask really, REALLY nicely, you might see the Excelsior released as a free set of costumes for tier 2 cruisers AND as a for-points t5 refit option. That way fans get a taste, but Cryptic still ends up with a strongly salable item. If anythign it makes the t2 ships a sort of in game advertisment for the add-on.
Okay, everyone saying "OMG what's so wrong with paying for stuff to keep the game floating?" Y'know... I bought the game in the first place and I continue to pay a subscription fee every month. Is that not supporting the game?
I don't like the C-Store and I don't like it even more now that the Excelsior is being added. I figured Cryptic would do this, though, to cash in on everyone's love for such an iconic ship.
I would not be so against the C-Store if the prices were more reasonable. 200 Cryptic points for a couple bridges? Paying for EMOTES? 240 Cryptic Points for iconic TNG/TOS/Etc iconic uniforms? 800 Cryptic points for a tier1 alternate to the Miranda, the original USS Enterprise? I could go on, but I think these things are too expensive. It's supposed to be "microtransactions" not "pay 10 dollars for a tier1 ship". How much is the Excelsior going to be? Is it just going to be a "ship costume" or a ship in its own right? What price range are we looking at? 1000 points? 1500? :rolleyes:
I already pay to play this game. We shouldn't have to be paying so much extra for a lot of these things. The game could really use having many of these added, at least at a lower price. Or give people, like it was mentioned a hybrid way to earn these. Half the price if you pay 10k, 20k, or whatever merits along with it. Or just give it a merits/marks price, whatever.
Even though you have to pay for it, you have to realize that this helps the game in the long-term. Purchasing from the c-store allows for more content to be added to the game. I enjoy buying from the c-store, I look forward to it, and it's a situation where I can support the authors directly.
Agreed, I think they should add cool stuff to the c-store and make it paid for. I could understand if maybe they never added anything cool without price but that's not the case, I think the new refitted ships they're adding is really awesome. If you don't think the ship is worth paying for then don't buy it, but there's plenty of people who will (and we've seen that with the Galaxy-X).
Whatever helps to keep the Devs working to keep this game going is all good in my books.
dude i am sure the trekkies would pay more for having holographic trophys of famous captains like kirk picard janeway etc in their torphyroom as fluff items then most ships actually they would pay for both LOL ohh well we are doomed...
Agreed, I think they should add cool stuff to the c-store and make it paid for. I could understand if maybe they never added anything cool without price but that's not the case, I think the new refitted ships they're adding is really awesome. If you don't think the ship is worth paying for then don't buy it, but there's plenty of people who will (and we've seen that with the Galaxy-X).
Whatever helps to keep the Devs working to keep this game going is all good in my books.
The problem with this mentality is:
If the C-Store is "the way to go" then that means the Devs will only put in time on C-Store fluff, rather than directly contributing to the game itself. They can swear up and down "Oh no, we won't do that!!!" but the bottom line is....the bottom line. If the accounting gurus see money coming in from C-Store, then management decisions get made, and suddenly it's all C-Store all the time.
Fine, if they want to go solely C-Store, then so be it. Put ALL the content on the C-Store, and in return, remove the Subsciption Fee. Problem solved.
dude i am sure the trekkies would pay more for having holographic trophys of famous captains like kirk picard janeway etc in their torphyroom as fluff items then most ships actually they would pay for both LOL ohh well we are doomed...
This is why George Lucas guards the Star Wars name so closely. Too easy to corrupt the name by churning out a poor product with the sole intent of turning a buck. Star Trek has had the unfortunate luck of being lent to substandard titles enough times to make even hardcore fans a bit wary of the next game.
True fans of anything will gladly part with their money for a piece of their title. Of course this dedication can turn ugly on a dime when we feel a company is dragging it through the mud.
This is why George Lucas guards the Star Wars name so closely. Too easy to corrupt the name by churning out a poor product with the sole intent of turning a buck..
umm a quick note before I have to leave for about an hour. Lucas Arts were the driving force behind the NGE in SWG, the idea was to make the game more like WOW to that way they would make more money. but instead of making more money they failed, and lost money.
If the C-Store is "the way to go" then that means the Devs will only put in time on C-Store fluff, rather than directly contributing to the game itself. They can swear up and down "Oh no, we won't do that!!!" but the bottom line is....the bottom line. If the accounting gurus see money coming in from C-Store, then management decisions get made, and suddenly it's all C-Store all the time.
Fine, if they want to go solely C-Store, then so be it. Put ALL the content on the C-Store, and in return, remove the Subsciption Fee. Problem solved.
yes thats drastic but true , but then comes all the lifetimers ... they gonna be upset especially since money is a huge issue for ppl in general...
umm a quick note before I have to leave for about an hour. Lucas Arts were the driving force behind the NGE in SWG, the idea was to make the game more like WOW to that way they would make more money. but instead of making more money they failed, and lost money.
just a fun fact now I'm out of here for now.
take care and thats what i been saying all along WOW is destroying other games cause the money holders that arent invested in wow wants another wow....
umm a quick note before I have to leave for about an hour. Lucas Arts were the driving force behind the NGE in SWG, the idea was to make the game more like WOW to that way they would make more money. but instead of making more money they failed, and lost money.
just a fun fact now I'm out of here for now.
I would love to see that in black and white, please? Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) made SWG and all of the subsequent updates, The game was published by Lucas Arts. in all fairness the whiners of yesteryear had a major hand in NGE coming around. Player losing their jedi after the 3rd death after spending countless hours unlocking the class in the first place can wear that crown.
See my fellow STOers and 10ites, careful what you ask for or whine about out loud. You never know when somebody is going to take it seriously and effect a change, good or bad.
This is why George Lucas guards the Star Wars name so closely. Too easy to corrupt the name by churning out a poor product with the sole intent of turning a buck. Star Trek has had the unfortunate luck of being lent to substandard titles enough times to make even hardcore fans a bit wary of the next game.
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I was really hoping the Nebula would be saved to be the T4 anchor of another line of ships, probably more flex-role than cruiser/sci/escort, added in the future.. you know... actually add to the game and richness of the gameplay diversity, rather than selling it off (and probably with special stats, too... ugh).
TRIBBLE this. I now officially regret my lifetime subscription.
think ill turn of my blue name in shame myself.....
well it's not set in stone yet, and dstahl did talk about other ways to get the ships. we just need to get more support, and let our voices be heard before it because to late.
iv given up on cryptic if we have to argue on the forums for every bit of content that we want in the game whats the point we shuould let the game die and have some other company have a go at making a TREK MMO
I would keep it on as a reminder... no invest in any for profit company for a life time server, and never sale away your right to vote with your money. ( that was not meant as an offense lifers. )
there are two problems with that.
1. the forums let us shape the game, and our arguing can change the direction of the game.
2. if this game dies chances of a real star trek MMO go out the window. CBS controls the game in the end, and they have been trying to get it since 2000. first it was with the dev team that made ever quest, but the left to do another MMO. then perpetual took over and waited their time, now it's to cryptic, and if it dies I fear that not intelligent CEO would take a risk like this again. then again there is always farm trek in 2011 / 2012.
Well making a mmo with such a BIG IP is a big risk it has a wery passionate fan base and cryptic did go out of it way to pander to us in countless video intrewievs etc and now that we sit here we kinda feel cheated atleast i do .
well continue to complain, as i said this is not set in stone yet. ( would say you could start a letter campaign, but that didn't work out so well the last time I did that
I was hoping that one day they would invent 'hybrid' roles and ships... like a sci/cruiser, escort/cruiser or even a tact/sci officer or eng/tact blend.
With the tech out in the st universe, you could refit a cruiser to hold sci equipment and a sci ship to be armed to the teeth in the books/movies/shows.
Only thing that would matter now is ppl refusing to use the cstore and since cryptic gonna try push iconic stuff in there the trekkeis might bite cause they want a screen or 2 of themself in a ICON ship i know this feeling wery well i love the klingon ships especially the Bird of Prey and the K'vort is my fave .....
Risk? What kind of RISK do you think CBS indulges in these deals? They get paid, period. If STO folds, CBS will cheerfully look forward to the next company approaching it in the belief that they can tap the Star Trek brand and fanbase.
The only risk is that the next potential developer (not CBS) will look back at the traffic on this board and think "I wouldn't touch that customer base with a 10 foot pole." The level of slavish mimicry of the TV series that the fans demand is insane. Its like wondering why a college textbook is not the price of a newstand magazine. That level of research and precision takes far more time and money than the fans are willing to cough up to have it.
I'm in the same boat. my absolute favorite ship is being added to the game, and it is going on the C-store. I love that ship, and to be honest I was expecting it to be in the game. ( no the vespa is not an excelsior ) well now it is coming to the c-store, and I don;t know if it's going to be 25 dollars, or 5 dollars, and to make matter worse if it going to be a game item, or a skin. if it is a game item I'm going to be forced to pick between what I believe about game items ( no game items unless you can get it in game) or the ship that I love.
that is the risk right there, and the risk of investing more money in something that the fans will tear apart.
Actually, thats a pretty strong notion that doesn't directly conflict with it being released as a for-pay product. The rest of the ships would have to come later, but the basics of setting up a new line skill-wise and letting people respec into it once they high VA1 are doable with the current tech.
Even as an intermediate step you could release it as a "Mission Addaptable Cruiser" and give it a couple of selectable BO seats like some Klingon ships have.
beeing a trekker isent just about the series anymore its a lifestyle for many .....
THIS schould be the goal, "binding" the players to the game by offering enough ingame incentives to keep them subscribed. This is what will keep the game afloat for a long time.
lol and those fans are way to picky. I think this says it best for all of us.
As just a costume pack, doing the Excelsior isn't worth the time - you're only in that level bracket a brief period which makes it a terible sales product.
Best compromise that comes to my mind is have the "Excelsior Pack" include BOTH a costume set for tier 2 cruisers AND a tier 5 "Refit Cruiser" version with unique stats.
If you ask really, REALLY nicely, you might see the Excelsior released as a free set of costumes for tier 2 cruisers AND as a for-points t5 refit option. That way fans get a taste, but Cryptic still ends up with a strongly salable item. If anythign it makes the t2 ships a sort of in game advertisment for the add-on.
In fact, I think I'll go start that thread now.
I don't like the C-Store and I don't like it even more now that the Excelsior is being added. I figured Cryptic would do this, though, to cash in on everyone's love for such an iconic ship.
I would not be so against the C-Store if the prices were more reasonable. 200 Cryptic points for a couple bridges? Paying for EMOTES? 240 Cryptic Points for iconic TNG/TOS/Etc iconic uniforms? 800 Cryptic points for a tier1 alternate to the Miranda, the original USS Enterprise? I could go on, but I think these things are too expensive. It's supposed to be "microtransactions" not "pay 10 dollars for a tier1 ship". How much is the Excelsior going to be? Is it just going to be a "ship costume" or a ship in its own right? What price range are we looking at? 1000 points? 1500? :rolleyes:
I already pay to play this game. We shouldn't have to be paying so much extra for a lot of these things. The game could really use having many of these added, at least at a lower price. Or give people, like it was mentioned a hybrid way to earn these. Half the price if you pay 10k, 20k, or whatever merits along with it. Or just give it a merits/marks price, whatever.
Agreed, I think they should add cool stuff to the c-store and make it paid for. I could understand if maybe they never added anything cool without price but that's not the case, I think the new refitted ships they're adding is really awesome. If you don't think the ship is worth paying for then don't buy it, but there's plenty of people who will (and we've seen that with the Galaxy-X).
Whatever helps to keep the Devs working to keep this game going is all good in my books.
The problem with this mentality is:
If the C-Store is "the way to go" then that means the Devs will only put in time on C-Store fluff, rather than directly contributing to the game itself. They can swear up and down "Oh no, we won't do that!!!" but the bottom line is....the bottom line. If the accounting gurus see money coming in from C-Store, then management decisions get made, and suddenly it's all C-Store all the time.
Fine, if they want to go solely C-Store, then so be it. Put ALL the content on the C-Store, and in return, remove the Subsciption Fee. Problem solved.
This is why George Lucas guards the Star Wars name so closely. Too easy to corrupt the name by churning out a poor product with the sole intent of turning a buck. Star Trek has had the unfortunate luck of being lent to substandard titles enough times to make even hardcore fans a bit wary of the next game.
True fans of anything will gladly part with their money for a piece of their title. Of course this dedication can turn ugly on a dime when we feel a company is dragging it through the mud.
umm a quick note before I have to leave for about an hour. Lucas Arts were the driving force behind the NGE in SWG, the idea was to make the game more like WOW to that way they would make more money. but instead of making more money they failed, and lost money.
just a fun fact now I'm out of here for now.
yes thats drastic but true , but then comes all the lifetimers ... they gonna be upset especially since money is a huge issue for ppl in general...
take care and thats what i been saying all along WOW is destroying other games cause the money holders that arent invested in wow wants another wow....
I would love to see that in black and white, please? Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) made SWG and all of the subsequent updates, The game was published by Lucas Arts. in all fairness the whiners of yesteryear had a major hand in NGE coming around. Player losing their jedi after the 3rd death after spending countless hours unlocking the class in the first place can wear that crown.
See my fellow STOers and 10ites, careful what you ask for or whine about out loud. You never know when somebody is going to take it seriously and effect a change, good or bad.
...That's sarcasm, right?