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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    No the Galaxy-X ship should be available in game. Many people would be interested in playing this class, but almost no one will be able to reqrut 5 people. It not fair the the majority of players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I once thought as you.

    Now I realize that the Galaxy X will be the great equalizer in PvP.

    It will defeat both the cowardly Klingons and the nubered Fed sci ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    No the Galaxy-X ship should be available in game. Many people would be interested in playing this class, but almost no one will be able to reqrut 5 people. It not fair the the majority of players.[/QUOTE

    many people wanting it is what makes it agreat motivator to get people to recruit

    next it is completely fair i have seen nothng that puts a time limit on this so you and everyone else has time to get the 5 peopple it's not like it ends in a week or something
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    panthro wrote: »

    many people wanting it is what makes it agreat motivator to get people to recruit

    next it is completely fair i have seen nothng that puts a time limit on this so you and everyone else has time to get the 5 peopple it's not like it ends in a week or something

    You're either missing the point made or ignoring it for the sake of it. A lot of people are the only ones in their group of friends that like Trek, others have friends that like it but wouldn't pay to play a game. No amount of time makes a difference to this and throwing out "make new friends" is really quite stupid. Purposely going out of your way to make friends with people because you think they might help you get an item in a game. What is reasonable, sensible or good about that?

    I know nobody that would be willing to pay for the game on a subscription basis and I certainly won't be pimping myself out to get people to play the game. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth having this carrot dangled in front of me. If I was to recommend the game to anyone it should be because I think it's worth it, which I don't currently, not to get some exclusive in-game item.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Dyonas wrote: »
    Purposely going out of your way to make friends with people because you think they might help you get an item in a game. What is reasonable, sensible or good about that?

    It's called social networking and people do it all the time for personal gain. Boy, meet world.
    Dyonas wrote: »
    I know nobody that would be willing to pay for the game on a subscription basis and I certainly won't be pimping myself out to get people to play the game.

    And you certainly won't be getting this ship. Apparently the task is beneath you, and any effort on your part is out of the question. Meanwhile, my referrals, all strangers until I met them, keep rolling in.

    When your ready to climb down from your high-horse, come join the rest of us pimps. You might make some new friends with something in common. Or, you can stay up there and keep raging over a toy ship.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cygnus-X-1 wrote:
    It's called social networking and people do it all the time for personal gain. Boy, meet world.

    I don't think that last bit was necessary, I'll look at it as me misunderstanding intent rather than you trying to insult me though. That's how it usually goes :D
    And you certainly won't be getting this ship. Apparently the task is beneath you, and any effort on your part is out of the question. Meanwhile, my referrals, all strangers until I met them, keep rolling in.

    I said nothing about the task being beneath me and I'm not averse to putting in effort to get something but you miss a big point - not everyone has the opportunity or social skills to get referrals. It's fair to say I have an abrasive personality at best, long boring story that isn't important, suffice to say my chances of getting five people to pay for the game and stay long enough to subscribe a month is between 0 and -5.
    When your ready to climb down from your high-horse, come join the rest of us pimps. You might make some new friends with something in common. Or, you can stay up there and keep raging over a toy ship.
    :cool:

    I don't see that me wanting to avoid recommending a game that is in a mediocre state at best currently is being on a high horse. I didn't and don't look down on anyone that does so, I just said I wouldn't be doing it. The changes are coming thick and fast and that's great but with my previous reasons still there, I won't be able to recommend anyone really. I used my buddy key for the only person I thought *might* be interested in playing and he didn't last more than an hour in the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cryptic has had art and story writing contests before, and even gave away lifetime subscriptions valued at $300. Not everyone is an author or an artist, myself included, but I don't recall anyone crying foul when those prizes were given away. So why all the hubbub over this valueless little ship design?

    :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    As its the only way to get a Galaxy at tier5 i want the X , even though its a awful horrible looking ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    it doesn't matter what the reward is there will always be whiners crying not fair see avatar
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cygnus-X-1 wrote:
    It's called social networking and people do it all the time for personal gain. Boy, meet world.

    No, it's called being a salesman.
    And you certainly won't be getting this ship. Apparently the task is beneath you, and any effort on your part is out of the question. Meanwhile, my referrals, all strangers until I met them, keep rolling in.

    I'm sure Cryptic are immensely gratified that you're doing their job for them.
    And I'm sure your "new friends" will like to have a few words with you once they realise you badgered them into paying for a hollow game so YOU can get a shiny.
    When your ready to climb down from your high-horse, come join the rest of us pimps. You might make some new friends with something in common. Or, you can stay up there and keep raging over a toy ship.

    :cool:

    Or we can just put people like you on ignore.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    <a selection of words that made me smile>

    Why is it when someone has a concern and asks for other options they're labelled a whiner? There's a useful old saying, if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all. I won't be drawn into it any more but seriously, what is the point of it? There are those that would like the Galaxy X without going out and selling the game for Cryptic. Why do some people have such a bug up their TRIBBLE over those people voicing that thought?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Dyonas wrote: »
    Why is it when someone has a concern and asks for other options they're labelled a whiner? There's a useful old saying, if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all. I won't be drawn into it any more but seriously, what is the point of it? There are those that would like the Galaxy X without going out and selling the game for Cryptic. Why do some people have such a bug up their TRIBBLE over those people voicing that thought?

    Exactly why they get labeled whiners you don't want to go out and sell their game for them selling the game for them is why they're willing to reward you with the ship do you go to a store and ask if theres another way to pay besides cash credit or check?

    seriously why don't people either do what's required to get the ship or just let it go
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    [edited myself because a moderator surely would have. nvm. have a nice day.]
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    OK to sum it up:

    Is it too bad that the only way to get this ship is through referrals?

    Yes, but it's the only way to get this ship.

    Is it sad that we are being enlisted as salesmen to get this ship?

    Yes, but it's the only way to get this ship.

    See the trend?

    I'm going to get one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    OK to sum it up:

    Is it too bad that the only way to get this ship is through referrals?

    Yes, but it's the only way to get this ship.

    Is it sad that we are being enlisted as salesmen to get this ship?

    Yes, but it's the only way to get this ship.

    See the trend?

    I'm going to get one.

    From one sad salesman to another:

    HIGH FIVE !!! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    panthro wrote: »
    do you go to a store and ask if theres another way to pay besides cash credit or check?

    Poor analogy - the RaF is more like going to a car dealership and being told the only way to get the paint job on the model you want is to get 5 of your friends to buy a car.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Bad analogy again.

    Its more like the only way to get the exclusive club jacket at the club you belong to is to recruit 5 new members who each pay their fees and stay for at least 2 months. You can still wear a jacket otherwise, just not that one.

    Promotions like this are as old as there have been things to promote. You don't get the right to display a reward unless you earn it, and recruitment is not easy, believe me (no takes so far, but I'm not stopping). Just being a member does not entitle you to exclusive rewards in other things in life. And there are millions of rewards I'd like from the organizations I am a member of that I simply never will see, no matter how badly I want them, unless I earn that entitlement.

    Its sad to see so many people under the impression that basic membership and desire should give them the right to demand them advanced rewards reserved for remarkable members.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    Bad analogy again.

    I don't see much difference between yours and mine. The point I was making is that people aren't saying "I don't want to pay for this" because there's no payment involved...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    Bad analogy again.
    Your's too!
    Its more like the only way to get the exclusive club jacket at the club you belong to is to recruit 5 new members who each pay their fees and stay for at least 2 months. You can still wear a jacket otherwise, just not that one.

    You forgot to mention that the "5 friends jacket" comes with a special card that let's you into the sexy ladies room in the back, that only the Klingon members can go to right now.

    I had no problem with this offer until the cloak. Of course, all they need to do is give that option to all the Feds or remove it from that ship entirely. Then it is just a "shiny", right now it is a "shiny" that is also a "do somethingy".
    Promotions like this are as old as there have been things to promote. You don't get the right to display a reward unless you earn it
    Soliciting strangers is not something I call "earning". And I don't solicit my friends, because they are my friends. I don't want to "use" them for a "shiny".
    Its sad to see so many people under the impression that basic membership and desire should give them the right to demand them advanced rewards reserved for remarkable members.
    It is even sadder to see that people are using their friends for a new "shiny".

    Lastly, do you deny that the X has a cloak? Do you deny that a cloak is game changing?

    Out of battle cloak? I mean it is sooo hard to "run away" from battle so I guess that it isn't game changing (/sarcasm)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    They have stated the Galaxy X is one of several top-end models they will be introducing, and is the only one to be limited to a promotion. They even mentioned multi-vector in that same thread (I'll dig for it after work)

    I'd bet creds that a cloaking Defiant, an inter-phasing Oberth, a multi-vector Prometheus, and a fire from cloak BoP will be among the other top-tier unlockables, but the fact of the matter is, I don't know what they have planned, only that similarly powered ships are coming...

    So, that said, expect more and possibly better things to be in-game through accolades, or some other system.



    In the end though, I don't care what the reward is. Too many posts here are arguing exclusivity because they want the item. The disconnect I read is, the item and the exclusivity of reward must be kept separate issues. A reward is required. RECRUITMENT is difficult (if it isn't, why don't you just go get 5 people, hmm?). Reward for effort is justified.

    THIS reward perhaps is under scrutiny, but don't go bashing the need for exclusive reward for rare achievements like recruitment. The argument that the X should not be the referral reward (and something else should) is perfectly valid. The argument that there should not be an exclusive for referral is, in my opinion, flawed, and detracts from the first argument (and draws fire from the likes of me).

    I don't want the X, specifically.

    In fact, I only want the BO.

    But I do want there to be an exclusive carrot at the end of the referral stick.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    I'd bet creds that a cloaking Defiant, an inter-phasing Oberth, a multi-vector Prometheus, and a fire from cloak BoP will be among the other top-tier unlockables
    Do you not find it odd that they say "Sure the X will have a cloak" but those other ships require a bet?
    Jnoh wrote:
    ...but the fact of the matter is, I don't know what they have planned
    No, the fact of the matter is NO ONE knows what they have planned. THAT is the problem, all they have to do is say "Yo! We are adding a non-battle cloak for Feds." Which, incidentally, is just as easy to say as "The Galaxy X will have a cloak." You know that, I know that, and Cryptic knows that. Marketing, at its finest.
    Jnoh wrote:
    only that similarly powered ships are coming...
    I have seen NO OTHER FED SHIP WITH A CLOAK. (Emphasis, not yelling.)

    Similar? I don't think so, but that is my opinion. And, apparently, MANY others.
    Jnoh wrote:
    In the end though, I don't care what the reward is. Too many posts here are arguing exclusivity because they want the item.
    Wait, you were upset at the upset posts, so you made a post about their upset posts? Maybe I misunderstood...
    Jnoh wrote:
    Reward for effort is justified.
    Really? Then how come 30% of the US of A is covered in a "No Soliciting" blanket? (That is a guesstimate, but you get the idea.)

    You are getting rewarded for getting them closer to their "Bonus". Zoot (I think is the person's handle) has the info on that, just read the boards.

    It all boils down to that cloak, and everyone knows it (Or should.) Feds want a cloak, and they want a "shiny". One should be given as a "fluff reward", specifically the one made of fluff. Drop the cloak from the ship, and the "We deserve the X too!" argument will dissolve and you will have the correct position. As it stands, they are giving a game changing item as a soliciting reward.

    As for me, if they do not change the rules I will just buy 5 more accounts. Give them to my friends, and when they are dissatisfied with the game the subs will disappear.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    One of the main points Cryptic has emphasized in various interviews is that they listen to their players. And TBH, they've done a pretty good job so far. For example, the game launched without PvE for Klingons, the community requested it, and they have started to deliver and have more in the works. The game launched with a pretty lame crafting system, but people expressed their desires and Cryptic is reworking it. The list goes on and on from the DP to the difficulty slider to end game content.

    However, a new issue has arisen that people are voicing their concerns about; namely the Galaxy-X ship introduced through the referral program. Cryptic has made a pattern thus far of listening to the players, and thats a good thing. So lets have an unofficial poll to show how the community feels about this issue, so Cryptic can have another opportunity to prove they are listening:

    Should the Galaxy-X remain exclusive to the referral program?

    After you vote, please share your thoughts.

    absolutely NOT no ship should be they need to add more ships and fast and they need to make them all available for credits!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    why does everyone keep assuming this thing is going to b so powerful? cryptic has not released stats on the canon or confirmed cloak until that is done by cryptic you're all jumping the gun
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    panthro wrote: »
    why does everyone keep assuming this thing is going to b so powerful? cryptic has not released stats on the canon or confirmed cloak until that is done by cryptic you're all jumping the gun

    I remember seeing a DEV comment that the cloak would be there (though I do not remember verbatim)

    With that aside, let's look at these questions.
    panthro wrote: »
    why does everyone keep assuming this thing is going to b so powerful?
    So you agree that there is a degree of power to it then? Let's assume, for argument sake, that there is a scale of 1 to 10 in regards to power.

    By your comment, I will say you think it is a 1 in power. I would give it a 7 to 8. Which one of us is right? How does that one prove that his/their opinion is the right? (Or, is it possible, that even with a 1 power, it should not be given as a "reward"?)

    Like I said, no problem with the X. In fact, I say "Great Job!", the cloak on the other hand is not proper (Again, my opinion.)

    I was going to hunt down the quote of the DEV, but I realized they have a whole forum dedicated to DEV posts. Have a hunt for it, in fact I want to say it has been quoted in this thread (twice).

    They said it would be, and this I do quote: "A Non-Battle Cloak"

    They also mentioned that the 3rd nacelle was to take up a slot, and some other information. I also want to say it was dstahl.

    EDIT (Cause I am nice)
    dstahl wrote: »
    The Galaxy X was a specific ship created specifically for the Referral program. The goal with the other end game ships is that they would be unlockable by reaching the next tier level but the specifics of that are still be discussed.



    Here's what I know about it so far - The cannon is specific to this ship, and takes the place of a weapon's slot, but is not an item that can be removed and placed on another ship. It shows up as a captain's power on your weapon tray. The beam is intendend to be a very narrow front cylinder beam that can pass through objects and hit multiple targets if you are lined up properly (out to a set distance).

    There are no details yet on recharge timers or how it impacts cooldowns of other powers/weapons.

    I've also heard rumor that it may have a non-battle cloak - which means that it might be able to cloak - but only out of combat.

    Once the designer is finished with the ship - I'll see if I can get the full details.

    The ship will be available by the time that your referals hit their first 30 day billing cycle.

    also...

    Management is aware of this thread ...

    (Watch this, I have powers: "He said 'might be' and 'may have')
    Alright then, where did they say those things about the other ships that weren't involved in this marketing scheme?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I don't think I've said it has to be made available to all players or via a different method (bad memory means I may be wrong) but I would like to know if there could be another option. Is wanting to know this so wrong? I certainly don't think it warrants being labelled a whiner or being told that I'm simply not willing to put in the effort or do what is necessary.

    I don't care if the thing has a cloak or not, I don't care if the cannon just does equal damage to a normal cannon in one burst. For me it isn't about damage, or cloak for that matter, I just want more variety and this is a unique ship in Star Trek. Just as the Pegasus phase-cloak was unique, the Galaxy X was too. Granted the Pegasus cloak was illegal and broke major laws and treaties but it was something different. In the game right now there are far too many limits and far too much identical equipment. I just want something different, shiny or not.

    Pretty much every other MMORPG out there has hard to reach rewards but the effort required is time invested in playing, working out strategies and being able to fight in those epic encounters. We have nothing in STO. Even the STF drops are sitting there at a vendor. Tribble right now has something that I haven't seen before that makes me think some variety is coming. What is it? I looted a ship weapon that wasn't Acc, CritD or CritH. That's all I'm saying.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Dyonas wrote: »
    ...but I would like to know if there could be another option.
    Most likely, though it is possible that it won't.

    On one hand, we have the "Lifers only station" that is soon to not be "lifers only".

    On the same hand, we have the "TOS Uniforms".

    On the other hand, we have the "Borg BO's"

    Also on that hand, we have the "Borg Captains"

    As for answering questions, well the same odds (In my opinion.)

    My personal predictions:

    1: No cloak, they use the maybe and might as selling points (Notice we have not seen any specs on the ship.)

    2: Once their "Bonus" has been achieved they will release the ship to the C-Store, where it can make them more money.

    For the rest of your post, no offense but there is quite a bit of variety when it comes to the ships. Or can you not modify them in a "character generator"? I will give you this, not many "choices" at each level. But, altogether, there is quite an assortment. (And they have nickle and dimed more in the C-store.)

    If you want the ship, for no other reason than a new ship. Then I am with the others, get 5 accounts and receive the reward. Those folks deserve something for their solicitations, just because I do not agree with the tactics doesn't null their efforts.

    Really, the only problem with the promo is the cloak. Unless they give the feds cloak, then it matters not for the playing field would be equal (Ignoring/not including: PvP and Klingon stuff, hey Cryptic does so I can too!)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Really? Then how come 30% of the US of A is covered in a "No Soliciting" blanket? (That is a guesstimate, but you get the idea.)

    Recruitment and Solicitation are not the same, and even if they were... wouldn't the idea of there being a general public distaste for recruitment make the act of recruitment --harder-- (aka: take more effort)?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Similar? I don't think so, but that is my opinion. And, apparently, MANY others.

    Seems this may be a founded concern... mixed signals abound.
    dstahl wrote: »
    there is a goal to bring iconic ships to the end game - not just as geo variants - but with unique functionality. The Galaxy X is the first such ship he's working on but it is setting the tone for how the others will/may work. The trade-off may be that these ships will be restricted from customization. Take for example the Galaxy. One of the reason's we haven't implemented a Galaxy saucer separation yet is because the fx to do so will not work with all the different parts that players can customize on their ship. However if we restrict the geo customization - we could do cool features like that and make some of these end tier ship super unique. btw.. we are currently *not* working on a Galaxy saucer separation power - but we'd sure like to.
    dstahl wrote: »
    The Galaxy X was a specific ship created specifically for the Referral program. The goal with the other end game ships is that they would be unlockable by reaching the next tier level but the specifics of that are still be discussed.
    dstahl wrote: »
    As far as I've seen - those ships would be in game rewards. I could see where they might also put them in the C-Store - but as far as I know - they would be just like the new ships you get at each tier.

    That reads to me that:

    1) The galaxy is the first in a line of uniquely powered new ships. The others will be earnable, in-game, somehow.
    2) The galaxy x is specifically going to set the tone for these other ships' powers (so shut up about the *** cloak and maybe we'll get it elsewhere too??? *shrug*)
    3) The other, iconic ship designs will become T6. (this may be a seperate concept to the specuial-power ships the X is setting the tone for)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    Recruitment and Solicitation are not the same, and even if they were... wouldn't the idea of there being a general public distaste for recruitment make the act of recruitment --harder-- (aka: take more effort)?
    so·lic·it
    –verb (used with object)
    1.
    to seek for (something) by entreaty, earnest or respectful request, formal application, etc.: He solicited aid from the minister.
    2.
    to entreat or petition (someone or some agency): to solicit the committee for funds.
    3.
    to seek to influence or incite to action, esp. unlawful or wrong action.
    4.
    to offer to have sex with in exchange for money.
    –verb (used without object)
    5.
    to make a petition or request, as for something desired.
    6.
    to solicit orders or trade, as for a business: No soliciting allowed in this building.
    7.
    to offer to have sex with someone in exchange for money.

    —Synonyms
    2. beseech, beg. 3. excite, arouse, provoke.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/solicit

    I'm sorry, but it is solicitations. But hey, so are fundraisers...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/solicit

    I'm sorry, but it is solicitations. But hey, so are fundraisers...

    Ok... read the second half my statement, regardless.
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