Let's try to cut down on the flaming guys. We don't need to look like rioters, and we don't need to get this thread shut down. This is a petition, not a riot thread.
You're right, so here I go...
/signed
Please open this ship up to us all as a T5 ship. It's one of many canon ships I was really hoping you'd all add and as much as I wish I could find 5 friends to buy this game, I can't get 5 friends who already did to come back. Just add it, if we're all lucky those who stopped playing will see all the cool things added and return as well.
Hmm, i think the marketing guys from crypic actually did it with this reward. It seems they found a reward many people would love to have.So you can say what you want about it, but their marketing ideas seem to work
Another thread that is much ado about nothing, IMPO. "Regularly scheduled riot' - truer words were never typed on these forums, IMPO. Any time Cryptic or Atari tries to do some sort of promotion (you know, to get people interested in the game, which would mean more money for development and other things), somebody gets offended. Then it turns into a giant thread of wailing and teeth-gnashing.
One tier 5 ship with a special pew-pew. Meh. I like it as a promo for having people invite other people into the game. Whatever. Either recruit people or don't. I doubt this is the last time we'll see ships with special abilities, especially once we get into RA6+. Heck, it might even be the equivalent of the Connie if Tier 6 is ever created... a cool item that is eventually outgrown.
It's like the same argument as pre-order items, like Connies, Red Matter Reactors, Defense Turrets, etc. People who do special things get special things. Seems logical to me. Maybe I'm just dumbing it down too much. Maybe I've seen this in every MMO I've ever played. Maybe it's a way to get more players into the game, which would be beneficial for everyone. Maybe getting wrapped around the axle about one special item on a video game is a little to silly for me to personally do.
I kinda have to weep for any John Q. Public who goes through the forums before he decided to pick up the game. But on the other hand, I think anyone who's researched or played an MMO expects the forums to be filled with mostly drivel.
Yes, this very post included.
The sad part is, it's still better than some MMO forums. :cool:
That's my 2 ECs, and my only post for this thread.
Hmm, i think the marketing guys from crypic actually did it with this reward. It seems they found a reward many people would love to have.So you can say what you want about it, but their marketing ideas seem to work
I know that dstahl passed this off as a riot post, and that was my fault for letting it turn into a riot by not posting that it was a petition in the op, but I've noticed that admist the flamers and Cryptic haters, several of the most respected forum members have spoken out against this issue. I hope that someone from Cryptic will take the time to see that if some of the most respected forum members don't like it, maybe it should be changed. Many others besides me are people that have supported this game from the start and have done everything we can to make sure the game is fair and that it improves.
They really need to see that giving this ship to an elite group of players before anyone else can obtain the T5 Galaxy is just asking for trouble. Not only is it unfair that regular joe's will be forced to watch this elite group show off their ships and taunt other players for not having it (if you don't think this will happen, go back and look into the blue name fiasco, in which a decent sized group of lifers began holding there blue titles over others heads, and began acting like they were better than everyone else), but they have made it almost impossible for the vast majority of players to obtain the ship to start with, since very few people have 5 friends they could recruit to the game that they haven't already recruited.
The devs need to seriously sit back, review this decision, and realize that they need to be fair about this. Yeah, it's nice that a dev is making this ship as a reward in his free time, and yes it's nice that they're giving rewards to players that rae able to recruit, but it is totally unfair to give it only to those players that can recruit.
Instead, it would be far more fair to make the ship the price of the points that players would normally get for recruiting 5 friends (400 c points x 5 = 2000 c points). Then, recruiters would still be able to get the ship for free, but others would have the oppurtunity to buy it as well.
Let's try to cut down on the flaming guys. We don't need to look like rioters, and we don't need to get this thread shut down. This is a petition, not a riot thread.
Aw, man.... *puts away the pallet of Molotov Snapples*
Before any more pitchforks get handed out... let me offer up some info before you go burning down the village.
The 3-Nacelle Future Enterprise config will be an exclusive variant of a T5 Galaxy ship we are planning to add to the game as we increase the skillcap at various points in the future. In fact I see plans on the schedule to add T5 versions of the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant class.
So yes - the Future Enterprise - 3 Nacelle config is an exclusive "variant" and may be the only T5 Galaxy for a while, but there will be ways to get similar ships in the future - they just might not have the 3rd Nacelle - or front mount single phaser cannon.
you may now go back to your regularly scheduled riot...
well Dstahl, this type of promotion would have been nice to have in place BEFORE I already invited my gaming crew (thats been a crew since MW2 Netmech days) of 10 friends to play STO back in Feb. Of the 10, 3 plus myself are left as the others canceled their subs in dismay and utter disappointment in March and early April. So now in order to get a cool new T5 cruiser, I have to hijack 5 strangers and get them to sub for a month......yeah like thats going to happen.
"Come play this bug filled, repetitive game with practically zero end game things to do other than grind a few mission with 20 hour clocks and do STF's which on top of being probably the worst end game task forces I have ever experienced, they too are on 20 hour timers. Ok, thats not going to work....lets try this...."Come play a cool game with a vibrant PvP system".....oh wait....youve made the Que system even more borked than it was (if that was even possible, but you did it anyway) where new players now get the chance to wait an hour in order to be consistently on lopsided teams (ground) with no way to now get out of the match in order to get in one thats even.
Sigh I guess any 5 new players I could get to give STO a try could do what the rest of us do on a daily basis....file bug reports, that never get updated (or looked at from where I sit) or bug test on Tribble, where problems are identified and ignored until the bug hits the live server and the Dev team springs into action.
...../e shakes head
Whoever is running the marketing for this game...........is doing it wrong.
I rolled the dice on STO and got a LT sub, as the game sits right now I could not in good conciseness ask someone else to get into this game in the state it is in right now. If I asked my buddies to re-sub, I'd get laughed at. Sorry but thats how I see things.
Instead, it would be far more fair to make the ship the price of the points that players would normally get for recruiting 5 friends (400 c points x 5 = 2000 c points). Then, recruiters would still be able to get the ship for free, but others would have the oppurtunity to buy it as well.
I'm still vehemently opposed to selling off something mechanically unique and endgame-relevant. Once the other variants are in, if they have special gimmick powers, then maybe this would be something reasonable.
I'm still vehemently opposed to selling off something mechanically unique and endgame-relevant. Once the other variants are in, if they have special gimmick powers, then maybe this would be something reasonable.
Generally speaking, I agree with you. I don't like the idea of making the super-cannon functional. How will it balace with the regular Tier 5 Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant? Will the Intrepid get Ablative Armor Plating Generators and the Defiant Cloaking? How will it balance with exitsting Tier 5 ships? Will a Sovereign suddenly become obsolete compared to a Galaxy, which is several years older?
It is not right to add an exclusive gameplay mechanic to a ship in end-game. This is a completely different matter from the pre-order bonuses, which were only effective during lower levels. This is a unique gameplay mechanic that only an elite group of players will recive, which is completely unfair, and will only breed jealousy, which totally undermines what makes Star Trek, Star Trek.
Well... To be honest with everyone. My friends love star trek. Just dont like STO. My entire WoW guild either read the reviews or played Beta and the mixture of the 2 have caused 20 plus people to not want to play STO or play it again even if it were free.
I agree with OP about making the Galaxy-X a Vet reward, since I've already recruited five friends to this game. Now, I need to recruit 5 MORE friends? Lame.
I have nothing against the recruit-a-friend program. Other MMO companies do it. The problem I have is that it requires FIVE people to sign up and play for over a month to get the good stuff. I can't, in good conscience, ***** myself out to a company that has a track record of TRIBBLE over the fanbase. And all of my friends already play the game (some with an LTS).
I think that offering a perk for recruiting someone is a good idea. I think it should be for recruiting only ONE person...or make them available by other means like shikamaru stated. Offering something that can only be attained realistically by aggressive marketing and spam mailing is a VERY bad idea. You would alienate a large portion of the player population by doing so.
I would LOVE to have the Future Enterprise in my stable. I will never see it unless it becomes available through another avenue. It'll be an even bigger slap-in-the-face if the front-mounted cannon is more useful than, say, the Automated Defense Turret. And we don't know if that is the case until we hear it from the horse's mouth, so I'm just speculating at this point.
For those that haven't heard yet, the rewards for the referral Program have been announced. A holographic bridge officer is the reward for 1 friend buying a 1 month subscription, and The All Good Things Galaxy class variant will be the reard for 5 friends buying 1 month subscriptions. Now many players have wanted to see this ship in-game, but this will make it almost impossible to get. Many of us don't have friends that like Star Trek to begin with, and for those that do, many of them have already recruited their friends through CE buddy cards and other means. This will make the class all but impossible to obtain for many players. I propose 1 of two ideas for fixing this problem:
Switch the 400 day veteran reward, the Captain's Yacht with the All Good Things Galaxy, since all players can obtain the 400 day reward. Or make it a 500 day reward.
Make the All Good Things Galaxy available in the C-store for a premium fee at the same time the first few players unlock it through the Referral Program.
I for one have done everything I can to support Cryptic and improve this game, and though the devs have done other controversial things in the past, I have stuck by them for the sake of the game. However, this is the first things they've done that could break the game for me. If this isn't remedied, I for one might end up leaving STO.
Other posts by me about this issue:
I for one HATE the galaxy x and would hate to get suck w/ it as the 400 day reward. I also see nothing wrong w/ Cryptic keeping this ship exclusive to the recruit a friend program. WoW has the same thing going w/ their rare Zhevra mount and I know for a fact that there are people who go out of their way to make a second account JUST for the mount.
.. so to get something i have to ***** out this game to my friends? Your kidding right? I love the part about they have to stay a month, so buying the game itself isnt enough, go go micro-transaction! Heres a concept, add something ot the game, an stop trying to ***** out my real life cash for a ' new bridge '.. getting really boring at RA5 with nothing to do but the same 4 things..
Actually, it does have the bad-TRIBBLE phaser cannon on the underside of the saucer - it is a unique power that comes with the ship (ie not a weapon slot) and fires a narrow cylindor beam that (I believe) will be capable of hitting multiple targets.
I for one HATE the galaxy x and would hate to get suck w/ it as the 400 day reward. I also see nothing wrong w/ Cryptic keeping this ship exclusive to the recruit a friend program. WoW has the same thing going w/ their rare Zhevra mount and I know for a fact that there are people who go out of their way to make a second account JUST for the mount.
I'm sorry, but the continued comparisons to WoW are just not valid on so many levels; Here's the most relevant.
Warcraft is not Star Trek. Do people want to play WoW to aquire that specific mount for reasons beyond it's stats and bonuses? I highly doubt it. Do Star Trek fans want to play this game, and be able to play it with the ships they've seen in the various series and movies? Yes, that's almost the very basic drawing point of this game. You cannot in good conscience run a game that relies almost entirely on the base IP, while making it inordinately difficult for fans of that IP to have access to the relevant IP material.
If Cryptic wants to hand out their own original designs as incentive rewards everywhere, that is a very different issue. This thread would have half as many complaints if the bonus being handed out was one of the Cryptic designed ships. The TOS Enterprise is restricted to Gamestop customers, the series Uniforms are restricted to DDE and CE customers, and the Mirror uniforms are restricted to people who shelled out for a CO subscription. The more Cryptic withholds material originating from the IP that's drawing people into the game, the more problems like this that are going to crop up.
I've heard a couple of designers and developers state how proud they are of their original designs and ideas (ships, costumes, etc). If that's truly the case, start linking your stuff to these incentives and promotions, instead of relying on established stuff from the IP to draw people into them.
Let the rank and file Star Trek fans who've already dumped a great deal of money into this game start having the Star Trek experience they've wanted from day one.
Or Cryptic could stop nickle and diming every chance they get and actually come up with legitimate ways to keep players playing their game, like making it an STF reward or something (from the upcoming Terrordome?)
But I suppose that would be considered good game design, and they seem incapable of that.
This is uncanny in how similar my first thought on this issue was.
Nickle and diming indeed! I'm pretty sure they have a motivation poster in their office related to nickle and diming.
Before any more pitchforks get handed out... let me offer up some info before you go burning down the village.
The 3-Nacelle Future Enterprise config will be an exclusive variant of a T5 Galaxy ship we are planning to add to the game as we increase the skillcap at various points in the future. In fact I see plans on the schedule to add T5 versions of the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant class.
So yes - the Future Enterprise - 3 Nacelle config is an exclusive "variant" and may be the only T5 Galaxy for a while, but there will be ways to get similar ships in the future - they just might not have the 3rd Nacelle - or front mount single phaser cannon.
you may now go back to your regularly scheduled riot...
Um yeah. The 3 nacelled Galaxy is the Galaxy X. WHICH IS THE ONE WE WANT.
So no, we will not accept it as "exclusive".
I agree with this squidhead. Back when Zinc posted about taking "action" to reverse the developing perception of Cryptic as schemers and money grabbers, it seems like very little "action" is being done.
I for one am very disappointed with this. There are too many exclusives in this game to make any of them special anymore, and in order to gain access to them it would require tremendous money or effort on our part that doesn't actually mean in-game effort. It translates into us somehow making business for them better.
Frankly, shilling the Galaxy X like this is basically a confession on Cryptic's part that STO can't stand on it's own merits.
Here's a ship design that a lot of people have said they wanted. So what do they do? Put it on the c-store? Make it a vet reward? Make it an upgrade for in-game merit? No! They dangle it in front of us like a carrot from a stick and tell us to not only convince 5 people to try the game, but to badger them into making at least a one-month sub.
"If you were REALLY my friend you'd put down the money so I can get a Galaxy X!"
I have already recruited as many friends as I can to play this game with me, there is no way I could get 5 more to join up. I don't think that new ships or even items should be dependant on continued recruiting efforts. Part of the reason I play the game at all is for the environment and feel of the star trek universe, I love all the ships, and have purchased every new variant that has come out in the c-store. It is really going to anger me if there are ships that I cannot have. I might be tempted to sell my lifetime subscription account, the ships are literally my favorite part of the trek universe. I'm not hating on criptic for offering a bonus for recruiting, it's a smart move, but I think that if those bonuses are unique items they should be available thru the c-store. I agree with other posts about having cryptic point bonuses instead of ships.
And if people were offered free Porsches and Ponies - people would clamor that it's not fair for anyone to have them for doing something above and beyond their capacity.
That said, we still don't know if the ship is in-game via other means (or even on the c-store).
Which leads to a bigger issue: some of this C-Store stuff must pay for itself hundreds of times over.
Wouldn't that mean more funds to go toward core development too?
The 3-Nacelle Future Enterprise config will be an exclusive variant of a T5 Galaxy ship we are planning to add to the game as we increase the skillcap at various points in the future. In fact I see plans on the schedule to add T5 versions of the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant class.
FINALLY! Tier 5 Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy. I think I have faith in the game now!!!!
And if people were offered free Porsches and Ponies - people would clamor that it's not fair for anyone to have them for doing something above and beyond their capacity.
That said, we still don't know if the ship is in-game via other means (or even on the c-store).
dstahl seemed to say it was exclusive to this referral program in that rather bizarre post that amounted to "now before you all get angry because you think you're not getting this ship by other means, let me be clear and say you're not getting this ship by other means."
I totally agree that the restriction of cannon designed items is wrong. I joined to have access to the star trek universe in an MMO, not to be limited to certain uniforms or ships that arent even original trek. If it is in the show, it shouldn't be unique bonuses for people crazy enough to buy 6 different accounts or to continue to recruit people off the street.
I'm sorry, but the continued comparisons to WoW are just not valid on so many levels; Here's the most relevant.
Warcraft is not Star Trek. Do people want to play WoW to aquire that specific mount for reasons beyond it's stats and bonuses? I highly doubt it. Do Star Trek fans want to play this game, and be able to play it with the ships they've seen in the various series and movies? Yes, that's almost the very basic drawing point of this game. You cannot in good conscience run a game that relies almost entirely on the base IP, while making it inordinately difficult for fans of that IP to have access to the relevant IP material.
If Cryptic wants to hand out their own original designs as incentive rewards everywhere, that is a very different issue. This thread would have half as many complaints if the bonus being handed out was one of the Cryptic designed ships. The TOS Enterprise is restricted to Gamestop customers, the series Uniforms are restricted to DDE and CE customers, and the Mirror uniforms are restricted to people who shelled out for a CO subscription. The more Cryptic withholds material originating from the IP that's drawing people into the game, the more problems like this that are going to crop up.
I've heard a couple of designers and developers state how proud they are of their original designs and ideas (ships, costumes, etc). If that's truly the case, start linking your stuff to these incentives and promotions, instead of relying on established stuff from the IP to draw people into them.
Let the rank and file Star Trek fans who've already dumped a great deal of money into this game start having the Star Trek experience they've wanted from day one.
dstahl seemed to say it was exclusive to this referral program in that rather bizarre post that amounted to "now before you all get angry because you think you're not getting this ship by other means, let me be clear and say you're not getting this ship by other means."
So yes - the Future Enterprise - 3 Nacelle config is an exclusive "variant" and may be the only T5 Galaxy for a while, but there will be ways to get similar ships in the future - they just might not have the 3rd Nacelle - or front mount single phaser cannon.
Expecially when most people wanted an alternate way to get a T5 Galaxy - and that has been in the plans the entire time - it just required a few minutes for us to find the thread and respond with the answer.
So...how does someone who's already recruited their friends to play this game, paid in a Lifetimer subscription, bought multiple copies of the game to get the uniforms they want, AND already dumped money into C-Store points to get playable races implied to already be in the game at launch aquire this particular ship, with the third nacelle and special phaser cannon...without participating in a questionably-legal Pyramid scheme?
This is a good question. I've done all that except buy the life time subscription.
Except, now my friends no longer play.
Think the ship should be given to all players that have stayed with this game, since it launched. IMHO
Dude.
T5 Galaxy =! Galaxy X
Galaxy X = 3 nacelles
what ship we're not getting outside of the referall program = ship with 3 nacelles
hence
We're not getting the Galaxy X unless we shill like madmen.
I'm not surprised this was happening, I warned about this a good month ago and got shouted down by Cryptic defenders left and right that this would never happen.
This game should have anything "canon" as free to teh customers (save exclusive collector sets items like uniforms, red matter, etc,). Excelsiors, Galaxy-X, Nebulas, etc, all should be free.
Just another example of how this game is going to TRIBBLE customers up the TRIBBLE for every cent and Cryptic expects we'll pay it because, hell, we're "trekkies" we pay for anything with the spock ears or the Starfleet delta.
Dude.
T5 Galaxy =! Galaxy X
Galaxy X = 3 nacelles
what ship we're not getting outside of the referall program = ship with 3 nacelles
hence
We're not getting the Galaxy X unless we shill like madmen.
He didn't rule that outright.
The T5 Galaxy is getting a 3 nacelle variant (Galaxy X). It'll be available at first through the refer-a-friend.
It hasn't been ruled out to make it available through other means, according to dstahl.
I'd quote the original post again but it'd be meaningless. I've got to find a wall to soothe the ache in my head.
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You're right, so here I go...
/signed
Please open this ship up to us all as a T5 ship. It's one of many canon ships I was really hoping you'd all add and as much as I wish I could find 5 friends to buy this game, I can't get 5 friends who already did to come back. Just add it, if we're all lucky those who stopped playing will see all the cool things added and return as well.
Another thread that is much ado about nothing, IMPO. "Regularly scheduled riot' - truer words were never typed on these forums, IMPO. Any time Cryptic or Atari tries to do some sort of promotion (you know, to get people interested in the game, which would mean more money for development and other things), somebody gets offended. Then it turns into a giant thread of wailing and teeth-gnashing.
One tier 5 ship with a special pew-pew. Meh. I like it as a promo for having people invite other people into the game. Whatever. Either recruit people or don't. I doubt this is the last time we'll see ships with special abilities, especially once we get into RA6+. Heck, it might even be the equivalent of the Connie if Tier 6 is ever created... a cool item that is eventually outgrown.
It's like the same argument as pre-order items, like Connies, Red Matter Reactors, Defense Turrets, etc. People who do special things get special things. Seems logical to me. Maybe I'm just dumbing it down too much. Maybe I've seen this in every MMO I've ever played. Maybe it's a way to get more players into the game, which would be beneficial for everyone. Maybe getting wrapped around the axle about one special item on a video game is a little to silly for me to personally do.
I kinda have to weep for any John Q. Public who goes through the forums before he decided to pick up the game. But on the other hand, I think anyone who's researched or played an MMO expects the forums to be filled with mostly drivel.
Yes, this very post included.
The sad part is, it's still better than some MMO forums. :cool:
That's my 2 ECs, and my only post for this thread.
Edit: I have to agree.
They really need to see that giving this ship to an elite group of players before anyone else can obtain the T5 Galaxy is just asking for trouble. Not only is it unfair that regular joe's will be forced to watch this elite group show off their ships and taunt other players for not having it (if you don't think this will happen, go back and look into the blue name fiasco, in which a decent sized group of lifers began holding there blue titles over others heads, and began acting like they were better than everyone else), but they have made it almost impossible for the vast majority of players to obtain the ship to start with, since very few people have 5 friends they could recruit to the game that they haven't already recruited.
The devs need to seriously sit back, review this decision, and realize that they need to be fair about this. Yeah, it's nice that a dev is making this ship as a reward in his free time, and yes it's nice that they're giving rewards to players that rae able to recruit, but it is totally unfair to give it only to those players that can recruit.
Instead, it would be far more fair to make the ship the price of the points that players would normally get for recruiting 5 friends (400 c points x 5 = 2000 c points). Then, recruiters would still be able to get the ship for free, but others would have the oppurtunity to buy it as well.
Aw, man.... *puts away the pallet of Molotov Snapples*
well Dstahl, this type of promotion would have been nice to have in place BEFORE I already invited my gaming crew (thats been a crew since MW2 Netmech days) of 10 friends to play STO back in Feb. Of the 10, 3 plus myself are left as the others canceled their subs in dismay and utter disappointment in March and early April. So now in order to get a cool new T5 cruiser, I have to hijack 5 strangers and get them to sub for a month......yeah like thats going to happen.
"Come play this bug filled, repetitive game with practically zero end game things to do other than grind a few mission with 20 hour clocks and do STF's which on top of being probably the worst end game task forces I have ever experienced, they too are on 20 hour timers. Ok, thats not going to work....lets try this...."Come play a cool game with a vibrant PvP system".....oh wait....youve made the Que system even more borked than it was (if that was even possible, but you did it anyway) where new players now get the chance to wait an hour in order to be consistently on lopsided teams (ground) with no way to now get out of the match in order to get in one thats even.
Sigh I guess any 5 new players I could get to give STO a try could do what the rest of us do on a daily basis....file bug reports, that never get updated (or looked at from where I sit) or bug test on Tribble, where problems are identified and ignored until the bug hits the live server and the Dev team springs into action.
...../e shakes head
Whoever is running the marketing for this game...........is doing it wrong.
I rolled the dice on STO and got a LT sub, as the game sits right now I could not in good conciseness ask someone else to get into this game in the state it is in right now. If I asked my buddies to re-sub, I'd get laughed at. Sorry but thats how I see things.
I'm still vehemently opposed to selling off something mechanically unique and endgame-relevant. Once the other variants are in, if they have special gimmick powers, then maybe this would be something reasonable.
Generally speaking, I agree with you. I don't like the idea of making the super-cannon functional. How will it balace with the regular Tier 5 Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant? Will the Intrepid get Ablative Armor Plating Generators and the Defiant Cloaking? How will it balance with exitsting Tier 5 ships? Will a Sovereign suddenly become obsolete compared to a Galaxy, which is several years older?
It is not right to add an exclusive gameplay mechanic to a ship in end-game. This is a completely different matter from the pre-order bonuses, which were only effective during lower levels. This is a unique gameplay mechanic that only an elite group of players will recive, which is completely unfair, and will only breed jealousy, which totally undermines what makes Star Trek, Star Trek.
I think that offering a perk for recruiting someone is a good idea. I think it should be for recruiting only ONE person...or make them available by other means like shikamaru stated. Offering something that can only be attained realistically by aggressive marketing and spam mailing is a VERY bad idea. You would alienate a large portion of the player population by doing so.
I would LOVE to have the Future Enterprise in my stable. I will never see it unless it becomes available through another avenue. It'll be an even bigger slap-in-the-face if the front-mounted cannon is more useful than, say, the Automated Defense Turret. And we don't know if that is the case until we hear it from the horse's mouth, so I'm just speculating at this point.
I for one HATE the galaxy x and would hate to get suck w/ it as the 400 day reward. I also see nothing wrong w/ Cryptic keeping this ship exclusive to the recruit a friend program. WoW has the same thing going w/ their rare Zhevra mount and I know for a fact that there are people who go out of their way to make a second account JUST for the mount.
I want a Galaxy-X so very bad!
LoL
I'm sorry, but the continued comparisons to WoW are just not valid on so many levels; Here's the most relevant.
Warcraft is not Star Trek. Do people want to play WoW to aquire that specific mount for reasons beyond it's stats and bonuses? I highly doubt it. Do Star Trek fans want to play this game, and be able to play it with the ships they've seen in the various series and movies? Yes, that's almost the very basic drawing point of this game. You cannot in good conscience run a game that relies almost entirely on the base IP, while making it inordinately difficult for fans of that IP to have access to the relevant IP material.
If Cryptic wants to hand out their own original designs as incentive rewards everywhere, that is a very different issue. This thread would have half as many complaints if the bonus being handed out was one of the Cryptic designed ships. The TOS Enterprise is restricted to Gamestop customers, the series Uniforms are restricted to DDE and CE customers, and the Mirror uniforms are restricted to people who shelled out for a CO subscription. The more Cryptic withholds material originating from the IP that's drawing people into the game, the more problems like this that are going to crop up.
I've heard a couple of designers and developers state how proud they are of their original designs and ideas (ships, costumes, etc). If that's truly the case, start linking your stuff to these incentives and promotions, instead of relying on established stuff from the IP to draw people into them.
Let the rank and file Star Trek fans who've already dumped a great deal of money into this game start having the Star Trek experience they've wanted from day one.
This is uncanny in how similar my first thought on this issue was.
Nickle and diming indeed! I'm pretty sure they have a motivation poster in their office related to nickle and diming.
Um yeah. The 3 nacelled Galaxy is the Galaxy X. WHICH IS THE ONE WE WANT.
So no, we will not accept it as "exclusive".
I for one am very disappointed with this. There are too many exclusives in this game to make any of them special anymore, and in order to gain access to them it would require tremendous money or effort on our part that doesn't actually mean in-game effort. It translates into us somehow making business for them better.
Here's a ship design that a lot of people have said they wanted. So what do they do? Put it on the c-store? Make it a vet reward? Make it an upgrade for in-game merit? No! They dangle it in front of us like a carrot from a stick and tell us to not only convince 5 people to try the game, but to badger them into making at least a one-month sub.
"If you were REALLY my friend you'd put down the money so I can get a Galaxy X!"
Brilliant.
That said, we still don't know if the ship is in-game via other means (or even on the c-store).
Which leads to a bigger issue: some of this C-Store stuff must pay for itself hundreds of times over.
Wouldn't that mean more funds to go toward core development too?
FINALLY! Tier 5 Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy. I think I have faith in the game now!!!!
dstahl seemed to say it was exclusive to this referral program in that rather bizarre post that amounted to "now before you all get angry because you think you're not getting this ship by other means, let me be clear and say you're not getting this ship by other means."
If promises were gasoline I could drive to Tokyo and get me some Japanese whale candy.
He actually said:
and later elaborated:
if them=apples
then
{
print << "Do you like?";
}
This is a good question. I've done all that except buy the life time subscription.
Except, now my friends no longer play.
Think the ship should be given to all players that have stayed with this game, since it launched. IMHO
Dude.
T5 Galaxy =! Galaxy X
Galaxy X = 3 nacelles
what ship we're not getting outside of the referall program = ship with 3 nacelles
hence
We're not getting the Galaxy X unless we shill like madmen.
This game should have anything "canon" as free to teh customers (save exclusive collector sets items like uniforms, red matter, etc,). Excelsiors, Galaxy-X, Nebulas, etc, all should be free.
Just another example of how this game is going to TRIBBLE customers up the TRIBBLE for every cent and Cryptic expects we'll pay it because, hell, we're "trekkies" we pay for anything with the spock ears or the Starfleet delta.
He didn't rule that outright.
The T5 Galaxy is getting a 3 nacelle variant (Galaxy X). It'll be available at first through the refer-a-friend.
It hasn't been ruled out to make it available through other means, according to dstahl.
I'd quote the original post again but it'd be meaningless. I've got to find a wall to soothe the ache in my head.