The same reason they played DDO, Vanguard, and SWG at their original launches?
EVE only side-stepped this by having players generate virtually everything (the price was almost no direction for those that wanted it - eliminating many players until they improved the tutorial/missions later on).
DDO became F2P. If you want to make comparisons... I would be completely understanding if STO became F2p, although Im pretty sure that would **** off every LTS.
Vanguard... yea.
SWG had depth right from the start and was rather unique. STO does not have depth, and is more generic than anything else.
Why offer it earlier? There is absolutely no need to entice people to get new players to join when they are already doing it. The carrot has to arrive when the influx is no more than a trickle.
As for canon ships? Why this one. It appeared once. There are many ships that are not in game. Many had more screen time and certainly more official canon recognition in CBS/Paramount publications.
It's just a ship, a costume, they'll sell it and a hundred more to you as long as you keep paying the bills.
If players want new ships and cryptic don't have the staff or the time then why can't cryptic offer it out to the users. Some of us can model and texture wrap models without the need for a big team. CBS might not approve many, but they would certainly have a choice.
Offering it earlier might have brought in a greater initial influx of players if everybody who wanted the ship brought in five people, for example. Now that the well is dry for so many players Cryptic might get a few who scrape together the people but on the other end they're going to get more disgruntled players that feel 'betrayed' by the system as this thread seems to be pointing out.
I'm not sure 'why' this one, to be honest. It did only appear once but I think that for a lot of people it was a 'whoa' moment for them and so a lot of the fandom has always wanted to run with it. If it were just a costume it wouldn't be a problem, or not as much of one. However, the fact is that it apparently has a special power to replicate the phaser cannon from the movie according to reports. That means it has more firepower and makes it its own ship and not 'just' a costume in that it can actual change game balance in some way.
As for giving out modeling for ships to players, I think that would cause a great deal of legal and managerial problems. Though, my personal feeling is that a lot of the fans could do a better job with the ships than some of what I've seen because of their insane attention to detail, being fans. (Not a dig a Cryptic, of course, just an observation.)
You're honestly fine with paying (a large financial outlay, either self-funded or suckering others) for a completely endgame-relevant item with unique mechanical effects in a subscription game?
Not at all.
I've said in this thread and previously in others that I would not recommend a friend, let alone five, to spend money on this game. I have more respect for them than that.
Also why is this ship suddenly necessary to end -game? Was end-game not already dealt with by the players who had their ordinary ships, the players who got bored and moved on? Walt? There is a ship they NEED to finish the game? Quick, get them all back!.
you miss my point. It's cosmetic fluff that means nothing t the game. it's just the P
Offering it earlier might have brought in a greater initial influx of players if everybody who wanted the ship brought in five people, for example. Now that the well is dry for so many players Cryptic might get a few who scrape together the people but on the other end they're going to get more disgruntled players that feel 'betrayed' by the system as this thread seems to be pointing out.
I'm not sure 'why' this one, to be honest. It did only appear once but I think that for a lot of people it was a 'whoa' moment for them and so a lot of the fandom has always wanted to run with it. If it were just a costume it wouldn't be a problem, or not as much of one. However, the fact is that it apparently has a special power to replicate the phaser cannon from the movie according to reports. That means it has more firepower and makes it its own ship and not 'just' a costume in that it can actual change game balance in some way.
As for giving out modeling for ships to players, I think that would cause a great deal of legal and managerial problems. Though, my personal feeling is that a lot of the fans could do a better job with the ships than some of what I've seen because of their insane attention to detail, being fans. (Not a dig a Cryptic, of course, just an observation.)
you are correct. It may have brought in more players. I simply do not know. But the game could not keep the majority of players it had. Would this ship have kept these hypothetical new customers?
you are correct. It may have brought in more players. I simply do not know. But the game could not keep the majority of players it had. Would this ship have kept these hypothetical new customers?
Certainly not, but I don't think that's what people are angry about. I think people are angry that they have to recruit people to this game when they've already recruited them for a ship that they feel is more powerful than the current in-game ships when Cryptic supposedly promised them that there would be nothing they couldn't get through in-game play.
Players feel they're being forced to get their friends to buy and play a game they don't even feel is very good just to get a 'quality of life' update that they feel should be in the game to begin with. They believe Cryptic should've been filling out the canon roster and adding the canon ships everybody has been asking for instead of messing around with their own designs. It's the fact they have to sell our their friends to get a ship a lot of players feel should've been in the game from the beginning that they're angry about.
False. It is an item with a unique mechanical effect (the forward superlaser), as confirmed by dstahl.
and that's imperative to have for what reason? Are they bringing in more enemies and content that you can only kill with this super weapon? Or can you just still complete it all quite easily with what's already in game?
So...another day another Cryptic PR disaster, i can see this getting as bad as salegate.
They are adding one of the most wanted ships but making it so that very, very few people will have access to it, and on top of that we now find out that it will also get a unique power that no other ship has, did the guys at cryptic really think this was a good idea?
I like many others already convinced my MMO playing friends to try STO, i doubt i can even get 1 more person to try it now let alone 5.
I like this game (despite all the current problems) but Cryptic just seems to be finding new ways every 2nd week to annoy the people that have stuck with them, things like this ship should be rewards to the people that are sticking with them (making it one of the Vet rewards would have made a lot more sense).
I really hope they change their minds about the way they are going to make this ship available because otherwise i can see yet more player dissatisfaction hurting subscriber numbers and this promotion costing them subs rather than gaining them subs.
I can probably get a couple people to subscribe. Though one has to get a better computer, the other is in Basic Training right now, and he's gonna get a better computer when he's out too.
As for the 400 day reward, is that 400 calendar days, or 400 played days? If that's the case, won't that take FOREVER?? I've only just played 7 hours total, and that is since the beta.
I can probably get a couple people to subscribe. Though one has to get a better computer, the other is in Basic Training right now, and he's gonna get a better computer when he's out too.
As for the 400 day reward, is that 400 calendar days, or 400 played days? If that's the case, won't that take FOREVER?? I've only just played 7 hours total, and that is since the beta.
Certainly not, but I don't think that's what people are angry about. I think people are angry that they have to recruit people to this game when they've already recruited them for a ship that they feel is more powerful than the current in-game ships when Cryptic supposedly promised them that there would be nothing they couldn't get through in-game play.
Players feel they're being forced to get their friends to buy and play a game they don't even feel is very good just to get a 'quality of life' update that they feel should be in the game to begin with. They believe Cryptic should've been filling out the canon roster and adding the canon ships everybody has been asking for instead of messing around with their own designs. It's the fact they have to sell our their friends to get a ship a lot of players feel should've been in the game from the beginning that they're angry about.
Sure, it's an unsubtle and awful thing to force obsessives to claim the prize. I don't doubt there are those so needy that they will pay for five strangers to join just to fly around Sol in USS. Epeen
My whole point is that it simply does not matter and if we disagree? Whatya gonna do? it takes all sorts
That said, we still don't know if the ship is in-game via other means (or even on the c-store).
Ehn... well, you're right. No real purpose in getting out the Molotov Snapples at this point. Best to wait for the actual unveiling of the ship itself and whatever official announcement accompanies it. At the moment, I'll remain more curious than OMZod KEELL DEM AAAAALL! or the like.
I'm gonna be mighty surprised to actually see it in the game if they keep it a Referal bennie, though!
Sure, it's an unsubtle and awful thing to force obsessives to claim the prize. I don't doubt there are those so needy that they will pay for five strangers to join just to fly around Sol in USS. Epeen
My whole point is that it simply does not matter and if we disagree? Whatya gonna do? it takes all sorts
Well, if players disagree then they don't help Cryptic out, they badmouth the game even more and Cryptic doesn't get its new subscribers, possibly loses some and their reputation continues to drop as it began to when they released Champions Online.
Subscribers are the lifeblood of the game, if you alienate them then your MMO is as good as dead, especially if all you have left after Lifers who you aren't drawing much income from aside from C-Store items.
The same reason they played DDO, Vanguard, and SWG at their original launches?
EVE only side-stepped this by having players generate virtually everything (the price was almost no direction for those that wanted it - eliminating many players until they improved the tutorial/missions later on).
Tell this to the cast and crew of Arrested Development.
The show wasn't able to sell itself and the marketers weren't as clever as the writing crew. It got cancelled.
Not at all.
I've said in this thread and previously in others that I would not recommend a friend, let alone five, to spend money on this game. I have more respect for them than that.
Also why is this ship suddenly necessary to end -game? Was end-game not already dealt with by the players who had their ordinary ships, the players who got bored and moved on? Walt? There is a ship they NEED to finish the game? Quick, get them all back!.
you miss my point. It's cosmetic fluff that means nothing t the game. it's just the P
you may now go back to your regularly scheduled riot...
Dstahl, I'd like to know where my incentive to recruit 5 players is? I have no interest in the AGT Galaxy as I fly escort or science ships. I don't care for cruisers. Will there me an incentive for other classes to recruit 5 players?
Well, if players disagree then they don't help Cryptic out, they badmouth the game even more and Cryptic doesn't get its new subscribers, possibly loses some and their reputation continues to drop as it began to when they released Champions Online.
Subscribers are the lifeblood of the game, if you alienate them then your MMO is as good as dead, especially if all you have left after Lifers who you aren't drawing much income from aside from C-Store items.
if you don't badmouth a game that is poor, If you allow people to gain reputation from sub-standard product then you will only end up being burned.
I'd rather STO died a death than allow it to continue as the con-job it is today.
Subscribers are already alienated. That ship has sailed. All that are left are the lifetimers who are too ashamed to admit they have been shafted and a few new players not yet up to speed.
if you don't badmouth a game that is poor, If you allow people to gain reputation from sub-standard product then you will only end up being burned.
I'd rather STO died a death than allow it to continue as the con-job it is today.
Subscribers are already alienated. That ship has sailed. All that are left are the lifetimers who are too ashamed to admit they have been shafted and a few new players not yet up to speed.
So the damage is done either way, really, it's simply a matter of if Cryptic can do damage control well enough and fast enough at this rate to prop up their subscriptions and keep the players they are alienating.
when Cryptic supposedly promised them that there would be nothing they couldn't get through in-game play.
Exactly. I'm angry they're selling off this Armed and Operational Battle Station - err, Galaxy-X with the forward superlaser actually represented (and unique) mechanically.
Dstahl, I'd like to know where my incentive to recruit 5 players is? I have no interest in the AGT Galaxy as I fly escort or science ships. I don't care for cruisers. Will there me an incentive for other classes to recruit 5 players?
I wouldn't need the incentive if my out of game friends didn't find the game too boring to join me (or, in one case, laugh in my face when I asked them if they'd subscribe).
and that's imperative to have for what reason? Are they bringing in more enemies and content that you can only kill with this super weapon? Or can you just still complete it all quite easily with what's already in game?
It doesn't to me - dstahl left it deliberately vague (removing the third nacelle was only one of the options he listed, afterall).
It's being discussed - which means this thread might not be entirely in vain.
Darren, I applaud you for trying to be level-headed and the devil's advocate here, but unfortunately, the post left here was, as you said, vauge at best. The implication is that the Canon ship that appeared in All Good Things will be exclusive to this referral scheme. The vaugeness in the response is likely an out to allow for that change if enough...'discontent' with the idea is shown. The overwhelming consensus appears to be that, at the moment, Cryptic's plan is make this ship referral-exclusive; If that consensus is wrong, I'd have to seriously fault the PR guys for not getting the message across, not the players who, unfortunately, have come to expect these sort of things.
As for people voicing their disapproval, one of the Cryptic staff said rather bluntly on IRC earlier today that the only way change will happen in this game, is if the community is vocal about it. If you're silent, and hope for the best, you're most likely to find yourself waiting a very long time.
I have no doubt that there's a lot of the posters in this thread who'd be thrilled to find this all was 'entirely in vain', but I suspect that's definately not the case. If a change in this plan comes about, I'd have to credit the people who've been vocal in criticizing it for that change, not enlightened introspection or pure chance.
Which also brings a concluding thought; Shikamaru has said repeatedly that his intent for this thread is a petition to ensure the ship does not become exclusive to the referral scheme. If you disagree, and feel it should, I suggest you start your own thread, and see what support you can gather, rather than attempting to argue on DStahl's behalf; I'm sure he's capable of clarifying his own statements, and defending Cryptic's plans and policy himself.
if you don't badmouth a game that is poor, If you allow people to gain reputation from sub-standard product then you will only end up being burned.
I'd rather STO died a death than allow it to continue as the con-job it is today.
Subscribers are already alienated. That ship has sailed. All that are left are the lifetimers who are too ashamed to admit they have been shafted and a few new players not yet up to speed.
I know some lifers who are pretty fed up with the way Cryptic is handling the ****** job of running STO, myself included. I won't accept such a blatant blackmail attempt and from my viewpoint I see doom on the horizon if marketing is stooping to this kind of tactic. It smells like they're starting to panic and trying to grab as much revenue as possible. The game is still in the beta phase, no matter what some people might try to convince us otherwise...a game that is probably half finished (and that's looking on the bright side).
The Future Enterprise is a canon ship....a canon ship that lots of people want but will never see unless Cryptic offers it outside of the referral program. It also has functionality that no other ship currently has, namely a fully functional and operating front cannon. Lots of us already have all of our friends either playing, they don't want to play, or they decided STO isn't for them. Things might be a little different if the offering was not the Galaxy-X or if Cryptic offered it for getting only one other person to join.
perhaps you shouldn't really be playing an MMO if all you want to do is solo.
I forgot most people on this forum are INSANE.
I suppose i'll just have to let you people run the game into the ground with your ridiculous ideas then.
Yeah, stop having fun playing the game alone (if you do, that is. And more power to you if you do!)
The voices in your head are not your inner child.
Ridiculous ideas like getting friends to play the game with you, and that gets you a reward?
If I wasn't insane, I'd call it a good idea.
Yeah, stop having fun playing the game alone (if you do, that is. And more power to you if you do!)
The voices in your head are not your inner child.
Ridiculous ideas like getting friends to play the game with you, and that gets you a reward?
If I wasn't insane, I'd call it a good idea.
missing the point.
Why do they make the only 2 things people would actually want to buy not available in the c-store and instead come up with this bs raf scheme?
It looks like things have gotten off-topic again. Need I remind you this is a petition, not a rant-thread, nor a thread for calling Cryptic nickel and dimers, nor a place to insult those that are signing the petition. Get it back on topic.
I support shikamaru and his petition. The Galaxy X should not be a referral exclusive.
As was mentioned above, everyone I know how *wants* to play this game is already playing it. Anyone else I know to refer has already quit, or has told me straight up they will not touch it.
The Galaxy X is a ship that I have wanted to play since I heard STO was being developed, now I probably will not have the chance to do that because of this referral thing.
I is now officially sad.
Edit: TBH, I would love for Cryptic to nickel and dime me for this ship, outside a referral reward.
i agree with shikamaru, i would buy cryptic points or whatever for this. theres no way i could get 5 people to subscribe to this game. this is just the same to me as the excelsior, ambassador, nebula, oberth etc, excelsior especially, any chance to fly one of those ships around would keep me in game longer even if i had to pay for it...as long as its not ridiculously over priced that is..
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DDO became F2P. If you want to make comparisons... I would be completely understanding if STO became F2p, although Im pretty sure that would **** off every LTS.
Vanguard... yea.
SWG had depth right from the start and was rather unique. STO does not have depth, and is more generic than anything else.
Offering it earlier might have brought in a greater initial influx of players if everybody who wanted the ship brought in five people, for example. Now that the well is dry for so many players Cryptic might get a few who scrape together the people but on the other end they're going to get more disgruntled players that feel 'betrayed' by the system as this thread seems to be pointing out.
I'm not sure 'why' this one, to be honest. It did only appear once but I think that for a lot of people it was a 'whoa' moment for them and so a lot of the fandom has always wanted to run with it. If it were just a costume it wouldn't be a problem, or not as much of one. However, the fact is that it apparently has a special power to replicate the phaser cannon from the movie according to reports. That means it has more firepower and makes it its own ship and not 'just' a costume in that it can actual change game balance in some way.
As for giving out modeling for ships to players, I think that would cause a great deal of legal and managerial problems. Though, my personal feeling is that a lot of the fans could do a better job with the ships than some of what I've seen because of their insane attention to detail, being fans. (Not a dig a Cryptic, of course, just an observation.)
Not at all.
I've said in this thread and previously in others that I would not recommend a friend, let alone five, to spend money on this game. I have more respect for them than that.
Also why is this ship suddenly necessary to end -game? Was end-game not already dealt with by the players who had their ordinary ships, the players who got bored and moved on? Walt? There is a ship they NEED to finish the game? Quick, get them all back!.
you miss my point. It's cosmetic fluff that means nothing t the game. it's just the P
you are correct. It may have brought in more players. I simply do not know. But the game could not keep the majority of players it had. Would this ship have kept these hypothetical new customers?
Certainly not, but I don't think that's what people are angry about. I think people are angry that they have to recruit people to this game when they've already recruited them for a ship that they feel is more powerful than the current in-game ships when Cryptic supposedly promised them that there would be nothing they couldn't get through in-game play.
Players feel they're being forced to get their friends to buy and play a game they don't even feel is very good just to get a 'quality of life' update that they feel should be in the game to begin with. They believe Cryptic should've been filling out the canon roster and adding the canon ships everybody has been asking for instead of messing around with their own designs. It's the fact they have to sell our their friends to get a ship a lot of players feel should've been in the game from the beginning that they're angry about.
and that's imperative to have for what reason? Are they bringing in more enemies and content that you can only kill with this super weapon? Or can you just still complete it all quite easily with what's already in game?
Nobody needs it. Cake lovers want it. P
They are adding one of the most wanted ships but making it so that very, very few people will have access to it, and on top of that we now find out that it will also get a unique power that no other ship has, did the guys at cryptic really think this was a good idea?
I like many others already convinced my MMO playing friends to try STO, i doubt i can even get 1 more person to try it now let alone 5.
I like this game (despite all the current problems) but Cryptic just seems to be finding new ways every 2nd week to annoy the people that have stuck with them, things like this ship should be rewards to the people that are sticking with them (making it one of the Vet rewards would have made a lot more sense).
I really hope they change their minds about the way they are going to make this ship available because otherwise i can see yet more player dissatisfaction hurting subscriber numbers and this promotion costing them subs rather than gaining them subs.
As for the 400 day reward, is that 400 calendar days, or 400 played days? If that's the case, won't that take FOREVER?? I've only just played 7 hours total, and that is since the beta.
Calender days.
Sure, it's an unsubtle and awful thing to force obsessives to claim the prize. I don't doubt there are those so needy that they will pay for five strangers to join just to fly around Sol in USS. Epeen
My whole point is that it simply does not matter and if we disagree? Whatya gonna do? it takes all sorts
Ehn... well, you're right. No real purpose in getting out the Molotov Snapples at this point. Best to wait for the actual unveiling of the ship itself and whatever official announcement accompanies it.
I'm gonna be mighty surprised to actually see it in the game if they keep it a Referal bennie, though!
Well, if players disagree then they don't help Cryptic out, they badmouth the game even more and Cryptic doesn't get its new subscribers, possibly loses some and their reputation continues to drop as it began to when they released Champions Online.
Subscribers are the lifeblood of the game, if you alienate them then your MMO is as good as dead, especially if all you have left after Lifers who you aren't drawing much income from aside from C-Store items.
Dstahl, I'd like to know where my incentive to recruit 5 players is? I have no interest in the AGT Galaxy as I fly escort or science ships. I don't care for cruisers. Will there me an incentive for other classes to recruit 5 players?
if you don't badmouth a game that is poor, If you allow people to gain reputation from sub-standard product then you will only end up being burned.
I'd rather STO died a death than allow it to continue as the con-job it is today.
Subscribers are already alienated. That ship has sailed. All that are left are the lifetimers who are too ashamed to admit they have been shafted and a few new players not yet up to speed.
So the damage is done either way, really, it's simply a matter of if Cryptic can do damage control well enough and fast enough at this rate to prop up their subscriptions and keep the players they are alienating.
Exactly. I'm angry they're selling off this Armed and Operational Battle Station - err, Galaxy-X with the forward superlaser actually represented (and unique) mechanically.
I wouldn't need the incentive if my out of game friends didn't find the game too boring to join me (or, in one case, laugh in my face when I asked them if they'd subscribe).
Darren, I applaud you for trying to be level-headed and the devil's advocate here, but unfortunately, the post left here was, as you said, vauge at best. The implication is that the Canon ship that appeared in All Good Things will be exclusive to this referral scheme. The vaugeness in the response is likely an out to allow for that change if enough...'discontent' with the idea is shown. The overwhelming consensus appears to be that, at the moment, Cryptic's plan is make this ship referral-exclusive; If that consensus is wrong, I'd have to seriously fault the PR guys for not getting the message across, not the players who, unfortunately, have come to expect these sort of things.
As for people voicing their disapproval, one of the Cryptic staff said rather bluntly on IRC earlier today that the only way change will happen in this game, is if the community is vocal about it. If you're silent, and hope for the best, you're most likely to find yourself waiting a very long time.
I have no doubt that there's a lot of the posters in this thread who'd be thrilled to find this all was 'entirely in vain', but I suspect that's definately not the case. If a change in this plan comes about, I'd have to credit the people who've been vocal in criticizing it for that change, not enlightened introspection or pure chance.
Which also brings a concluding thought; Shikamaru has said repeatedly that his intent for this thread is a petition to ensure the ship does not become exclusive to the referral scheme. If you disagree, and feel it should, I suggest you start your own thread, and see what support you can gather, rather than attempting to argue on DStahl's behalf; I'm sure he's capable of clarifying his own statements, and defending Cryptic's plans and policy himself.
I know some lifers who are pretty fed up with the way Cryptic is handling the ****** job of running STO, myself included. I won't accept such a blatant blackmail attempt and from my viewpoint I see doom on the horizon if marketing is stooping to this kind of tactic. It smells like they're starting to panic and trying to grab as much revenue as possible. The game is still in the beta phase, no matter what some people might try to convince us otherwise...a game that is probably half finished (and that's looking on the bright side).
The Future Enterprise is a canon ship....a canon ship that lots of people want but will never see unless Cryptic offers it outside of the referral program. It also has functionality that no other ship currently has, namely a fully functional and operating front cannon. Lots of us already have all of our friends either playing, they don't want to play, or they decided STO isn't for them. Things might be a little different if the offering was not the Galaxy-X or if Cryptic offered it for getting only one other person to join.
Yeah, stop having fun playing the game alone (if you do, that is. And more power to you if you do!)
The voices in your head are not your inner child.
Ridiculous ideas like getting friends to play the game with you, and that gets you a reward?
If I wasn't insane, I'd call it a good idea.
missing the point.
Why do they make the only 2 things people would actually want to buy not available in the c-store and instead come up with this bs raf scheme?
Everyone i know that wants to play, already does.
There is no one else.
As was mentioned above, everyone I know how *wants* to play this game is already playing it. Anyone else I know to refer has already quit, or has told me straight up they will not touch it.
The Galaxy X is a ship that I have wanted to play since I heard STO was being developed, now I probably will not have the chance to do that because of this referral thing.
I is now officially sad.
Edit: TBH, I would love for Cryptic to nickel and dime me for this ship, outside a referral reward.
That would give me joy joy feelings inside.