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For those that haven't heard yet, the rewards for the referral Program have been announced. A holographic bridge officer is the reward for 1 friend buying a 1 month subscription, and The All Good Things Galaxy class variant will be the reard for 5 friends buying 1 month subscriptions. Now many players have wanted to see this ship in-game, but this will make it almost impossible to get. Many of us don't have friends that like Star Trek to begin with, and for those that do, many of them have already recruited their friends through CE buddy cards and other means. This will make the class all but impossible to obtain for many players. I propose 1 of 3 ideas for fixing this problem:
I for one have done everything I can to support Cryptic and improve this game, and though the devs have done other controversial things in the past, I have stuck by them for the sake of the game. However, this is the first things they've done that could break the game for me. If this isn't remedied, I for one might end up leaving STO.
Other posts by me about this issue:
- Make the Galaxy X a Veteran Reward instead of a Referral reward.
- Make the All Good Things Galaxy available in the C-store for a premium fee at the same time the first few players unlock it through the Referral Program.
- Make both the Holographic BO and Galaxy X unlock from 1 referral. This would be far more fair, as no other MMO I can think of has a reward requiring so many referrals.
I for one have done everything I can to support Cryptic and improve this game, and though the devs have done other controversial things in the past, I have stuck by them for the sake of the game. However, this is the first things they've done that could break the game for me. If this isn't remedied, I for one might end up leaving STO.
Other posts by me about this issue:
shikamaru317 wrote: »First off, I'd like to apologize to dstahl if this has become a riot. That was not my intention, I didn't want this to become a full blown riot like the salegate fiasco was. Riots are bad for the game, as they get people quiting, and all I care about is improving the game. This was intended to be a petition, and if you guys can't keep the posts civil, please leave the thread.
Now, let me gets this straight. The AGT Galaxy will have a unique power? What happened to the previous statement about exclusives not having lasting affects on gameplay. You said this back when people were worried about the effects preorder exclusives would have. At least those were low tier items that weren't useful at the higher levels, this is an end-game ship, where players spend most of their time. How is this power supposed to balance in PvP without becoming unfair? This was bad enough when an elite group of players were getting an aesthetic skin. Now they're getting unique powers?
Also, the statement about T5 versions of the Tier 4 ships is both exciting and disheartining. Though I'm happy to see lower tier ships made available at higher tiers, I had hoped for a full blown refit system, instead of just one tier getting bumped up.
Thanks for the quick response dstahl, and thinks for shedding some light on this mystery.
shikamaru317 wrote: »I know that dstahl passed this off as a riot post, and that was my fault for letting it turn into a riot by not posting that it was a petition in the op, but I've noticed that admist the flamers and Cryptic haters, several of the most respected forum members have spoken out against this issue. I hope that someone from Cryptic will take the time to see that if some of the most respected forum members don't like it, maybe it should be changed. Many others besides me are people that have supported this game from the start and have done everything we can to make sure the game is fair and that it improves.
They really need to see that giving this ship to an elite group of players before anyone else can obtain the T5Galaxy is just asking for trouble. Not only is it unfair that regular joe's will be forced to watch this elite group show off their ships and taunt other players for not having it (if you don't think this will happen, go back and look into the blue name fiasco, in which a decent sized group of lifers began holding there blue titles over others heads, and began acting like they were better than everyone else), but they have made it almost impossible for the vast majority of players to obtain the ship to start with, since very few people have 5 friends they could recruit to the game that they haven't already recruited.
The devs need to seriously sit back, review this decision, and realize that they need to be fair about this. Yeah, it's nice that a dev is making this ship as a reward in his free time, and yes it's nice that they're giving rewards to players that rae able to recruit, but it is totally unfair to give it only to those players that can recruit.
Instead, it would be far more fair to make the ship the price of the points that players would normally get for recruiting 5 friends (400 c points x 5 = 2000 c points). Then, recruiters would still be able to get the ship for free, but others would have the oppurtunity to buy it as well.
shikamaru317 wrote: »Generally speaking, I agree with you. I don't like the idea of making the super-cannon functional. How will it balace with the regular Tier 5 Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant? Will the Intrepid get Ablative Armor Plating Generators and the Defiant Cloaking? How will it balance with exitsting Tier 5 ships? Will a Sovereign suddenly become obsolete compared to a Galaxy, which is several years older?
It is not right to add an exclusive gameplay mechanic to a ship in end-game. This is a completely different matter from the pre-order bonuses, which were only effective during lower levels. This is a unique gameplay mechanic that only an elite group of players will recive, which is completely unfair, and will only breed jealousy, which totally undermines what makes Star Trek, Star Trek.
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But I suppose that would be considered good game design, and they seem incapable of that.
I agree 100% that this is bad move on there part and it should be in the c-store to since all my friends would want me to pay them to play this game lol
Same, and if I were Cryptic, 20 bucks worth of points would be the C-store price I would use. It needs to be igh enough to control the population, high enough so that those that do unlock it through referrals don't feel ripped off, and low enough so that everyone could potentially afford it. 15 or 20 sounds right to me.
It doesn't say "exclusive", it says "special."
That doesn't mean it won't wind up on c-store or vet rewards - just that it's a free incentive (among a list of six incentives).
Even if it said exclusive, we already know that can mean it can wind up as a vet reward too.
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why is everyone so content to shovel money into cryptics hands all the time? instead of demanding that they make it cheaper why isn't it that they improve the game and actually add incentive to play the end-game STF's and offer unique rewards like this?
all this nickle and diming for a quick boost of cash isn't going to save the game can't they, and you people see that?
I think we're just letting the dev's know that many of us don't find finding 5 friends to play as practical. My friend will only try the game if i pay for it and i has no money. But i am very interested in getting the Galaxy incentive. So i'm just looking for an alternative.
I got over raids and the like over ten years ago in EverQuest. I'd rather never play this game again than play an STF.
I don't know if I would define a 5 man group in a 'dungeon' setting a raid, but whatever, that is neither here nor there. thanks for the input though, I guess?
That's pretty much the way it is for me. I have no friends that like Star Trek. My brother and dad like Star Trek, but my dad doesn't have a computer that could handle the game, and my brother doesn't even seem all that interested in a free copy I was going to give him. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to get my brother to play for the Holographic BO (which I am very happy to see added to the game Cryptic), but 5 for the All Good Things Galaxy? That just isn't possible for me.
Actually, it is quite here. I am completely and totally opposed to making it an STF reward. STFs can take a flying leap.
I have to agree, making it an STF reward is almost as bad as them making it a Referral exclusive, since soloers would be unable to get it then.
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I thought the language of the deal was intentionally more vague than that.
It could be an accolade unlock or future veteran reward and still be "special."
Less special? maybe.
Still special? yes.
That said, let's wait for dev feedback before sharpening our teeth.
i'm inclined to agree, it *could* be from an accolade from an STF or something like that, aswell, and this is just another way of getting it.
it's theoretically possible, anyway.
You're right that it doesn't specifically say exclusive, but it still seems they plan to make it available through the referral program before making it available through other means, which is still unacceptable by my standards. If they give it to a select handful through the referral program first, it makes them look elite and promotes jealousy. Not a godd idea. It needs to be made available to all players through another avenue at the same time that players start to unlock it through the Referral program.
exactly, man. Let's just hope a developer can give some insight into this.
Honestly, if the language is vague - it's best to wait for clarification (or so I say).
The accolades are coming out this month (and there's no telling if it might eventually wind up as vet perk or c-store item). Who knows? I don't.
Shikamaru317 - did you have lifetime, pre-order, or other marketing items wind up as obtainable through other means?
If so, it's a promotional thing. Let's wait for clarification.
Till then, let's relax - the way Mugatu would:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oVV1pEFeW4&feature=related
I wouldn't call it insane. I dislike raids, is that so bad? Making mistakes in raids gets you berated by other players. I personally don't have hours to exclusively devote to STF's. I frequently have other people in my house calling me away from my computer to do things for them. Other players in raids do not like people that go afk. Therefore, STFs aren't even available to me. I for one am a supporter of having STF's made scalable, with options for soloing, and for smaller teams for those that do group them. Then it would be a win-win as soloers could play them, and groupers wouldn't have to spend as much time searching for a team since they could go in with a smaller team.
I can see why you are a solo player and don't enjoy STF's or "raiding".
perhaps you should try some singleplayer Trek games.. they might suit you better.
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If you are getting berated by people... then you are playing with the wrong group of people... I screwed up twice in two separate STFs and no one really said anything other than, "let's try that again". It is not hard to find people who are easy going in this game... my suggestion is to join a casual fleet... casual does not mean bad... it just means that they have no set schedule and are easy going... my casual fleet generally has a few people on who want to do an STF when I do...
Let's hold our breath - we don't know what the language of the deal means exactly and if it will appear elsewhere.
I don't know; most of the posters probably don't either.
That said, let's wait for developer to comment.
Isn't this Rehkan's expertise anyways?
If you can, ask him politely through PM to clarify the situation.
Sadly, there is a big difference between the pre-order rewards and this particular reward. The pre-order rewards were mostly tiny little aesthetic rewards that had no major effect on gameplay and only a tiny effect during the lower levels. However, the AGT Galaxy is geared towards end-game where players will be spending the majority of there time. So you can't exactly compare the two.
However, I do plan to wait for a dev response, which likely won't come until tomorrow. I have nothing else to do, and it's not like i would quit over it until it came out if things aren't remedied before then. You have nothing to worry about from me for the time being.
and how about completing the galaxy class thats already in game before making a new one..
OMG the internet tough guy is gonna get mad...everybody run and hide!!!
I have one suggestion for ya there, tough guy..... Grow up.
wow. hello there mr. internet tough guy. threaten people much? :rolleyes: