i agree with shikamaru, i would buy cryptic points or whatever for this. theres no way i could get 5 people to subscribe to this game. this is just the same to me as the excelsior, ambassador, nebula, oberth etc, excelsior especially, any chance to fly one of those ships around would keep me in game longer even if i had to pay for it...as long as its not ridiculously over priced that is..
Wonder how many people we will have to get to subscribe to STO to get one of those ships?
I support shikamaru and his petition. The Galaxy X should not be a referral exclusive.
As was mentioned above, everyone I know how *wants* to play this game is already playing it. Anyone else I know to refer has already quit, or has told me straight up they will not touch it.
The Galaxy X is a ship that I have wanted to play since I heard STO was being developed, now I probably will not have the chance to do that because of this referral thing.
I is now officially sad.
Edit: TBH, I would love for Cryptic to nickel and dime me for this ship, outside a referral reward.
That would give me joy joy feelings inside.
im sure it will get added down the line somewhere. so many people want this they would be stupid not to put it in c-store sometime or as a veteran reward. it may take a few months it may even takes year as they will want to try and see how many people they can refer first but im 99% certain we will see it
im sure it will get added down the line somewhere. so many people want this they would be stupid not to put it in c-store sometime or as a veteran reward. it may take a few months it may even takes year as they will want to try and see how many people they can refer first but im 99% certain we will see it
dude. with this kind of business behavior, WE WONT BE HERE IN A FEW MONTHS.
Fck me if i actually refer people to this kind of scamjob practise.
The Future Enterprise is a canon ship....a canon ship that lots of people want but will never see unless Cryptic offers it outside of the referral program.
That's the point. If they offered another selfdesigned ship-skin, the referral programm would not be less successful but Cryptic would not get every true Star Trek-fan enraged. Making one of the most important canon ships from TNG an exclusive reward for recruiting five (!) new subscribers is pure treason on the Star Trek Licence.
ST-fans like me, which already had to buy two retail versions to get another "exclusive" canon-ship, the TOS-Constitution, would have to spend more than $200 (5 retails + 5 subs) this time if they want to fly the best looking T5-ship in the game.
Cryptic, I supported you by buying lifetime, by refering your game to my friends, by writing in any MMO forum about the good aspects and potential of your game - but if you really make another canon-ship accessable only this way, you have gone to far. Once I see this skin ingame without having a chance to get it by myself without paying $200, I will quit. At once. And I am not the only one.
Well... as someone who purchased the Steam DDE, I can't say I'm too happy to see this, but nor surprised. :rolleyes:
Yeah, what was the original Steam unique bit? The Chromodynamic armor that almost everyone got due to a bug? I still have it even though I bugrepped it on day one (Gamestop here).
That's the point. If they offered another selfdesigned ship-skin, the referral programm would not be less successful but Cryptic would not get every true Star Trek-fan enraged. Making one of the most important canon ships from TNG an exclusive reward for recruiting five (!) new subscribers is pure treason on the Star Trek Licence.
im a true star trek fan and im not enraged. im not even that bothered by it
whilst i do want that ship i would hardly call it one of the most important canon ships
it was seen in one episode in a future/possible/alternate time line
the fact the enterprise D was destroyed indicates that ship will never exist unless they refit another galaxy class
they should however reduce the number of people from 5 down to a more reasonable number like 3 and release it later for everybody
That's the point. If they offered another selfdesigned ship-skin, the referral programm would not be less successful but Cryptic would not get every true Star Trek-fan enraged. Making one of the most important canon ships from TNG an exclusive reward for recruiting five (!) new subscribers is pure treason on the Star Trek Licence.
ST-fans like me, which already had to buy two retail versions to get another "exclusive" canon-ship, the TOS-Constitution, would have to spend more than $200 (5 retails + 5 subs) this time if they want to fly the best looking T5-ship in the game.
Cryptic, I supported you by buying lifetime, by refering your game to my friends, by writing in any MMO forum about the good aspects and potential of your game - but if you really make another canon-ship accessable only this way, you have gone to far. Once I see this skin ingame without having a chance to get it by myself without paying $200, I will quit. At once. And I am not the only one.
too bad though, being a lifer you already gave them your money. you basically are non existent now.
they should however reduce the number of people from 5 down to a more reasonable number like 3 and release it later for everybody
more like 1.
Getting even one 1 guy to sign up for this game would already be an achievement of greek myth scale - given the state of the game and the behavior of cryptic so far.
im a true star trek fan and im not enraged. im not even that bothered by it
whilst i do want that ship i would hardly call it one of the most important canon ships
it was seen in one episode in a future/possible/alternate time line
the fact the enterprise D was destroyed indicates that ship will never exist unless they refit another galaxy class
they should however reduce the number of people from 5 down to a more reasonable number like 3 and release it later for everybody
It doesn't matter if it never happened. It's still a canon ship design in that it was designed for the show.
It isn't canon in-universe but it still has something over Cryptic designs.
It's also become a classic in the hearts of many fans due to it's quirky new take on a classic ship.
It doesn't matter if it never happened. It's still a canon ship design in that it was designed for the show.
It isn't canon in-universe but it still has something over Cryptic designs.
It's also become a classic in the hearts of many fans due to it's quirky new take on a classic ship.
Cryptic are just being horribly cynical in this.
i never said it was not canon, i was arguing that its not one of the most important canon ships, that only appeared the once in a possible timeline
i rate it far less in importance than say the nebula or the excelsior. id be more annoyed if they offered one of them in this scheme
i never said it was not canon, i was arguing that its not one of the most important canon ships, that only appeared the once in a possible timeline
i rate it far less in importance than say the nebula or the excelsior. id be more annoyed if they offered one of them in this scheme
It may be of less importance, but it's still a fan-favorite.
I don't care for the Nebula myself, I think it's a horrid kitbash of a Galaxy with glued on extra bits. But I'd still be enraged if they pulled this TRIBBLE with the Nebula because these are all ships from the show that do not deserve this kind of cynical nickel and diming.
i rate it far less in importance than say the nebula or the excelsior. id be more annoyed if they offered one of them in this scheme
That's your personal favorites, other players have different priorities in what they wanted to see ingame. But what all real fans should demand is that all CANON ships from the Star Trek series have to be accessable by every player - even if it's only via c-store. It's hard enough they made you buy another retail to get the TOS-Constitution.
There are lots of ship-designs from the canon which are demanded by the players and fans over and over again. For example
- Nebula
- Excelsior
- Constellation
- Galaxy X (AGT)
etc.
And nobody should support Cryptic in making ANY of these designs exclusive and force players to spend more than $200 (5 retails + 5 subs) to get one of these.
What would you say if the Excelsior Skin is finished next month and exclusive for all NEW lifetime-Subscribers? What they just did is nothing less to Galaxy-X-fans than it would mean to the Excelsior-fanbase.
We should stick together as a playerbase and not let this happen. A modified quote from "First Contact" fits in here:
"We will not sacrifice the GALAXY-X, nor another canon shipdesign. The customers made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our purses, and we pay. They assimilate entire fanbases, and we pay. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And we will make them give us for what we've already paid for!"
a bad idea is a bad idea.
its not cosmetic it has an actual game impact.
so much for play balance in pvp.
lets see em try to worm there way out of that one.
So...another day another Cryptic PR disaster, i can see this getting as bad as salegate.
Salegate, Advisorycouncilgate, I call this "fleecegate".
Everything marketing touches turns into a disaster. Someone take their computers away from them or at least disconnect them from the internet so they can't post anything.
Salegate, Advisorycouncilgate, I call this "fleecegate".
Everything marketing touches turns into a disaster. Someone take their computers away from them or at least disconnect them from the internet so they can't post anything.
You would expect they would have realised that by now but if at first you dont succceed....
Salegate, Advisorycouncilgate, I call this "fleecegate".
Or how about TOSgate, where TOS uniforms were given out for free.
Or Steamgate, where existing Steam purchasers (like me) have been denied a new exclusive for having already bought it (yes Direct2Drive are doing it too but Steamgate sounds better).
Everything marketing touches turns into a disaster. Someone take their computers away from them or at least disconnect them from the internet so they can't post anything.
I support this. The good ship STO is floundering as it is without marketing drilling more holes in the bottom.
Or how about TOSgate, where TOS uniforms were given out for free.
Or Steamgate, where existing Steam purchasers (like me) have been denied a new exclusive for having already bought it (yes Direct2Drive are doing it too but Steamgate sounds better).
I support this. The good ship STO is floundering as it is without marketing drilling more holes in the bottom.
Drilling? Ever since "salegate" and "advisorycouncilgate" they've been using blasting caps and C4.
Before any more pitchforks get handed out... let me offer up some info before you go burning down the village.
The 3-Nacelle Future Enterprise config will be an exclusive variant of a T5 Galaxy ship we are planning to add to the game as we increase the skillcap at various points in the future. In fact I see plans on the schedule to add T5 versions of the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant class.
So yes - the Future Enterprise - 3 Nacelle config is an exclusive "variant" and may be the only T5 Galaxy for a while, but there will be ways to get similar ships in the future - they just might not have the 3rd Nacelle - or front mount single phaser cannon.
you may now go back to your regularly scheduled riot...
Salegate, Advisorycouncilgate, I call this "fleecegate".
Everything marketing touches turns into a disaster. Someone take their computers away from them or at least disconnect them from the internet so they can't post anything.
They have to do something to keep the whiners whining...
... within 24 hours at this topic. Not counted the similar threads from Jacob and in the other forums.
Cryptic, you make polls to find out what you have to implent to make your players happy. Just look at this feedback and you know more than in 1000 polls. If I were in your shoes, I would go to my c-store team, and tell them to get this model online as soon as possible.
But I bet you will do the following: Justify your great referral program with some political postings and ignore the community. Are you sure this is the right way to get people motivated to recruit new players and advertise your game around the web?
I'm not a marketing specialist, but I doubt your referral programm will be as successful as you hope. Not this way.
Folks, let's keep some perspective here. I'm pretty sure that the creative types and the community folks at Cryptic are Trek fans like most of the playerbase are. I'm also willing to bet that if given the choice -- provided that they're getting paid a decent wage for their work* -- they'd pretty much release for free anything they could. They want people to enjoy this stuff as much as we want to enjoy it.
It all comes down to marketing, and while they're an easy target, I'd say that they're just taking a slightly wrong tack, that they've not quite gotten the pulse of the fan component of the player community.** I realize Al Capone said 'You can get more with a kind word with a gun than you can with just a kind word," but we're not about to be pulling guns here. We can express genuine anger and frustration without pouring fluorine into the mess, which will just make the community reps not want to deal with us and get more people on both sides frustrated.
So we pretty much know who to look at sternly, and who to address our frustrations to -- marketing -- but that doesn't me we get to or should go off on them like napalm. NOt saying to be silent; I am saying that no matter our opinions of one department in Cryptic -- or of other players, for that matter -- we should remain civil.
* - And yes, they should be paid a good wage. It isn't the fault of every person in the company that Atari said 'You will get this game done in two years, half the time it should!' and someone or a handful of people said meekly, 'Okay.' I do not blame the devs for trying to put out a full game under those conditions. If anything, we've now seen that a two year development cycle for an MMO is Not A Good Idea.
** - Honestly, though, I have a feeling that even Bioware isn't going to be free from this, either. If anything, I think their forums will be worse.
I'm just a bit confused as to why this particular ship was chosen as what seems to be the mother of all "variant" skins. I agree it is a rather large fanbase favorite, people would be more than happy to purchase it as a c-store item. On the other hand i understand that with this ship as an incentive it could bring more people in the game and keep our MMO going a while longer. But would it be possible to come to some sort of happy compromise? Not ridiculously easy to obtain like just buying but still have it available to those dedicated players who value it and may not have an additional 5 people to join our community. Unfortunately i fall in that category of already having RL friends in-game, and couldn't find 5 more to join to save my life but very much want this.
In addition, one of the crowning glories of STO was that, even though they're different tiers, we are able to command our favorite classes of ship. I don't see why the Galaxy-X is being excluded, "variant" or not it's considered a class of its own just like all refits. It does seem as a betrayal of sorts, those of us who are dedicated to the game enough to purchase lifetime subs, deluxe editions, c-store items etc.... in order to enhance the experience that make it more "trek" for us are now unable to obtain things that make Star Trek personable, for the sake of marketing.
..."We will not sacrifice the GALAXY-X, nor another canon shipdesign. The customers made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our purses, and we pay. They assimilate entire fanbases, and we pay. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And we will make them give us for what we've already paid for!"
Not condoning the message, but *snaps* for the reference
Because it's almost impossible, especially for players who had the "Collectors Edition". We already spread out the guest passes and trial keys. How many friends do you expect a single player can convice to buy the game and get a sub? 20? 30?
The referal program don't count on recruitments done in the past. So I am an idiot because I already gave away my guest passes and invited my friends weeks ago instead of waiting four month to get one of the most-wanted shipdesigns?
Yes, the OP complaines about not be able to do what Cryptic wants from him to get the ship he wants. A ship which was demanded by the community since release and should be part of the every Star Trek Game. And because this shipskin would cost him about $200 (5 retails + 5 subs), he has every right to be angry about it.
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Wonder how many people we will have to get to subscribe to STO to get one of those ships?
im sure it will get added down the line somewhere. so many people want this they would be stupid not to put it in c-store sometime or as a veteran reward. it may take a few months it may even takes year as they will want to try and see how many people they can refer first but im 99% certain we will see it
dude. with this kind of business behavior, WE WONT BE HERE IN A FEW MONTHS.
Fck me if i actually refer people to this kind of scamjob practise.
ok let me rephrase, ill be here to see it
That's the point. If they offered another selfdesigned ship-skin, the referral programm would not be less successful but Cryptic would not get every true Star Trek-fan enraged. Making one of the most important canon ships from TNG an exclusive reward for recruiting five (!) new subscribers is pure treason on the Star Trek Licence.
ST-fans like me, which already had to buy two retail versions to get another "exclusive" canon-ship, the TOS-Constitution, would have to spend more than $200 (5 retails + 5 subs) this time if they want to fly the best looking T5-ship in the game.
Cryptic, I supported you by buying lifetime, by refering your game to my friends, by writing in any MMO forum about the good aspects and potential of your game - but if you really make another canon-ship accessable only this way, you have gone to far. Once I see this skin ingame without having a chance to get it by myself without paying $200, I will quit. At once. And I am not the only one.
Yeah, what was the original Steam unique bit? The Chromodynamic armor that almost everyone got due to a bug? I still have it even though I bugrepped it on day one (Gamestop here).
im a true star trek fan and im not enraged. im not even that bothered by it
whilst i do want that ship i would hardly call it one of the most important canon ships
it was seen in one episode in a future/possible/alternate time line
the fact the enterprise D was destroyed indicates that ship will never exist unless they refit another galaxy class
they should however reduce the number of people from 5 down to a more reasonable number like 3 and release it later for everybody
too bad though, being a lifer you already gave them your money. you basically are non existent now.
more like 1.
Getting even one 1 guy to sign up for this game would already be an achievement of greek myth scale - given the state of the game and the behavior of cryptic so far.
It doesn't matter if it never happened. It's still a canon ship design in that it was designed for the show.
It isn't canon in-universe but it still has something over Cryptic designs.
It's also become a classic in the hearts of many fans due to it's quirky new take on a classic ship.
Cryptic are just being horribly cynical in this.
i never said it was not canon, i was arguing that its not one of the most important canon ships, that only appeared the once in a possible timeline
i rate it far less in importance than say the nebula or the excelsior. id be more annoyed if they offered one of them in this scheme
It may be of less importance, but it's still a fan-favorite.
I don't care for the Nebula myself, I think it's a horrid kitbash of a Galaxy with glued on extra bits. But I'd still be enraged if they pulled this TRIBBLE with the Nebula because these are all ships from the show that do not deserve this kind of cynical nickel and diming.
That's your personal favorites, other players have different priorities in what they wanted to see ingame. But what all real fans should demand is that all CANON ships from the Star Trek series have to be accessable by every player - even if it's only via c-store. It's hard enough they made you buy another retail to get the TOS-Constitution.
There are lots of ship-designs from the canon which are demanded by the players and fans over and over again. For example
- Nebula
- Excelsior
- Constellation
- Galaxy X (AGT)
etc.
And nobody should support Cryptic in making ANY of these designs exclusive and force players to spend more than $200 (5 retails + 5 subs) to get one of these.
What would you say if the Excelsior Skin is finished next month and exclusive for all NEW lifetime-Subscribers? What they just did is nothing less to Galaxy-X-fans than it would mean to the Excelsior-fanbase.
We should stick together as a playerbase and not let this happen. A modified quote from "First Contact" fits in here:
"We will not sacrifice the GALAXY-X, nor another canon shipdesign. The customers made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our purses, and we pay. They assimilate entire fanbases, and we pay. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And we will make them give us for what we've already paid for!"
its not cosmetic it has an actual game impact.
so much for play balance in pvp.
lets see em try to worm there way out of that one.
Salegate, Advisorycouncilgate, I call this "fleecegate".
Everything marketing touches turns into a disaster. Someone take their computers away from them or at least disconnect them from the internet so they can't post anything.
Perhaps you shouldn't really be playing an MMO if you cannot accept different play styles.
You would expect they would have realised that by now but if at first you dont succceed....
Or how about TOSgate, where TOS uniforms were given out for free.
Or Steamgate, where existing Steam purchasers (like me) have been denied a new exclusive for having already bought it (yes Direct2Drive are doing it too but Steamgate sounds better).
I support this. The good ship STO is floundering as it is without marketing drilling more holes in the bottom.
Drilling? Ever since "salegate" and "advisorycouncilgate" they've been using blasting caps and C4.
and plasma torches.............
Very professional....*claps*
And precision GPS navigation systems to search for icebergs to crash into.
They have to do something to keep the whiners whining...
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... within 24 hours at this topic. Not counted the similar threads from Jacob and in the other forums.
Cryptic, you make polls to find out what you have to implent to make your players happy. Just look at this feedback and you know more than in 1000 polls. If I were in your shoes, I would go to my c-store team, and tell them to get this model online as soon as possible.
But I bet you will do the following: Justify your great referral program with some political postings and ignore the community. Are you sure this is the right way to get people motivated to recruit new players and advertise your game around the web?
I'm not a marketing specialist, but I doubt your referral programm will be as successful as you hope. Not this way.
The OP wants the thing badly, and now is haggling about the price?
To all people who want to pay 20 bucks for this: TRIBBLE you, Sparkly Pony Riders. You ruin micro-transactions and fair prices.
And unwilling to do what is required to get it.
It all comes down to marketing, and while they're an easy target, I'd say that they're just taking a slightly wrong tack, that they've not quite gotten the pulse of the fan component of the player community.** I realize Al Capone said 'You can get more with a kind word with a gun than you can with just a kind word," but we're not about to be pulling guns here. We can express genuine anger and frustration without pouring fluorine into the mess, which will just make the community reps not want to deal with us and get more people on both sides frustrated.
So we pretty much know who to look at sternly, and who to address our frustrations to -- marketing -- but that doesn't me we get to or should go off on them like napalm. NOt saying to be silent; I am saying that no matter our opinions of one department in Cryptic -- or of other players, for that matter -- we should remain civil.
* - And yes, they should be paid a good wage. It isn't the fault of every person in the company that Atari said 'You will get this game done in two years, half the time it should!' and someone or a handful of people said meekly, 'Okay.' I do not blame the devs for trying to put out a full game under those conditions. If anything, we've now seen that a two year development cycle for an MMO is Not A Good Idea.
** - Honestly, though, I have a feeling that even Bioware isn't going to be free from this, either. If anything, I think their forums will be worse.
In addition, one of the crowning glories of STO was that, even though they're different tiers, we are able to command our favorite classes of ship. I don't see why the Galaxy-X is being excluded, "variant" or not it's considered a class of its own just like all refits. It does seem as a betrayal of sorts, those of us who are dedicated to the game enough to purchase lifetime subs, deluxe editions, c-store items etc.... in order to enhance the experience that make it more "trek" for us are now unable to obtain things that make Star Trek personable, for the sake of marketing.
Not condoning the message, but *snaps* for the reference
How have you managed to pay for this Galaxy Class variant already?
Because it's almost impossible, especially for players who had the "Collectors Edition". We already spread out the guest passes and trial keys. How many friends do you expect a single player can convice to buy the game and get a sub? 20? 30?
The referal program don't count on recruitments done in the past. So I am an idiot because I already gave away my guest passes and invited my friends weeks ago instead of waiting four month to get one of the most-wanted shipdesigns?
Yes, the OP complaines about not be able to do what Cryptic wants from him to get the ship he wants. A ship which was demanded by the community since release and should be part of the every Star Trek Game. And because this shipskin would cost him about $200 (5 retails + 5 subs), he has every right to be angry about it.
He's got my full support on this.