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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Do you even know how to make a paragraph? I read your thread and everyone but 1 person disagreed with you. And he would know how to tweak his system to get the most performance out of it. Most people don't have his skill level. Techies like him forget that fact. Even the "Can You Run It?" Test told you, you can’t run STO. And you had never ever played this game either. There is a difference between being able to play a game and being able to enjoying it.

    PC Games Hardware has this hand on experience and spoke to STO developers.


    "Two cores were fully utilized" that was with a Q8300. Now how do you think your P4 HT will do? You don't have the advance instruction set that the Core 2 or Athlon x2 have which they developed on.

    Intel’s hyper-threading never really work that is why they drop it from their dual-core processors. If you read the i7 review about hyper-threading it still doesn’t work. That why the i5’s don’t have it. It's a marketing thing to get people like you to spend more money.


    You’re still running a processor that AMD kill off with their Athlon K7 and K8 series. The P4 HT was Intel’s answer to AMD K7 processors. It failed! It wasn’t until Intel releases the Dual-Core and Core 2 Duo using AMD technology that they finally got the upper hand. The x86 Agreement allow this. Or not depending on which side your on but Intel paid AMD 1.25 Billion to resolves these lawsuits that AMD brought.

    As far this “DDR4 or DDR5” RAM thing you don’t know anything about. If you’ve built a system in the last two to three years you would know that the prices on these new RAM will be really expense. When DDR3 first came out it was over $500.00 for a 4GB kit. So you want everyone to spend $500.00 plus the fact that when the first motherboards that come out that will be able to use this new RAM will be High End boards that will cost over $300.00. Now who is trying to waste people money? It took over 2 years to get to the prices we have now for DDR3. So you now want everyone to wait 3 years before they can build a new system at a reasonable price. I’m surprise you didn’t mention SATA 600 or USB 3.0 too.

    Oh, you think i7 cost a lot. How much you think 6 core CPU's will cost?

    If you wait long enough something better is always coming out. But when do you do something about it.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. I was a System Administrator before the tech bubble burst. I am currently in tech sales. I’ve ran SLI. I've overclocked. I’ve done liquid cooling. I have been building servers and PCs since 1997. I have been a PC only gamer since 1998. Yes, I do not own a console. I live high tech. I spend hours reading tech news. I love building PCs.

    We have been helping people too either upgrade or get into systems so it will do what they need them to do within their budget. We quote Newegg, Amazon, Fry's, Compusa, TigerDirect. We don't even get paid for this. So what is our reason to get people to spend money on new hardware? What have you been trying to do? Sabotage people gaming experience with STO so they go play TOR?

    FAIL lol your characterization means nothing instead of dispute my main point you go off into a tangent about computer specs. You also provide meaningless data about the game utilizing 2 cores instead of 4 lol. When my point is this game will run fine with a 2.8 p4 hyperthread or above. Although I do not know that for a fact but neither do you and so maybe you should shut your geeky analysis until you have some real facts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Would an AMD FX-55 be able to run the game? I meet all the other requirements except for the processor.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Torue wrote:
    FAIL lol your characterization means nothing instead of dispute my main point you go off into a tangent about computer specs. You also provide meaningless data about the game utilizing 2 cores instead of 4 lol. When my point is this game will run fine with a 2.8 p4 hyperthread or above. Although I do not know that for a fact but neither do you and so maybe you should shut your geeky analysis until you have some real facts.

    Sorry, you have the fail here. A Pentium 4 HT is a single core CPU. "Hyper-threading" is a marketing term that means the processor can juggle two processing threads at once. It is still a single core CPU.

    While everyone else here is seeking help or helping others, you're doing nothing but spreading fallacies and arguing with everyone.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    tundaklap wrote: »
    Would an AMD FX-55 be able to run the game? I meet all the other requirements except for the processor.

    That should be a 2.6GHz single-core CPU. It will probably run STO, but I wouldn't recommend it. The CPU will be peaked while running it, meaning that it will be a bottleneck and cause lag at points in STO. It really depends on the rest of your PC and how much you are willing to spend on upgrading. What are you running?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Torue wrote:
    FAIL lol your characterization means nothing instead of dispute my main point you go off into a tangent about computer specs. You also provide meaningless data about the game utilizing 2 cores instead of 4 lol. When my point is this game will run fine with a 2.8 p4 hyperthread or above. Although I do not know that for a fact but neither do you and so maybe you should shut your geeky analysis until you have some real facts.

    Ouch, so much for facts. You really put me in my place.:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Could someone plese tell me how my system will perform with STO. Thanks.

    Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
    System Model: Dell DXP051
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
    Memory: 3582MB RAM
    Page File: 611MB used, 4852MB available
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
    Manufacturer: NVIDIA
    Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
    DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
    Display Memory: 1024.0 MB
    Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
    Monitor: Dell E196FP
    Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Torue wrote:
    lol first of all i tried to be civil but you threw that out the window so lets go then. Who are you to say how my computer would perform in this game when you have not tested it out for yourself. That in itself lacks credibility. You act like you know ever in and out of what p4 would do to this game when you have not first hand tested it out yourself.

    Thought I'd save this for later to spend some time pointing out your lack of knowledge and why you're more harmful to a community than helpful. There is nothing wrong with ignorance about a topic. We all learn things as we involve ourselves more and more each day in technology and the leading, bleeding edge. But to be ignorant about a subject and belligerent about that subject is unacceptable.
    Torue wrote:
    I play CO on max setting at a res of 12X10, now i am not going to say that i would be performing at max settings on this game honestly I dont know.

    Failure #1: Failure to understand that game engines are an evolving entity. CO is not STO. Even though STO is based on CO's engine, the two games have different requirement sets because they have different graphics and scenes with different polygon counts, different lighting levels, and different particle effects. On top of that, the engine is heavily modified from CO. As an analogy, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows 2000 are all based on Microsoft's Windows NT engine, but they are all vastly different with different requirements.
    Torue wrote:
    I would not call giving false advice to entice people to spend money for a new rig or expensive upgrades beneficial to the community.

    Failure #2: Associating "help" with "spending money". Not all people seeking advice need upgrades here. Some people's PCs are just fine for playing STO. And of course, some are not. Furthermore, many upgrades do not have to be expensive. A $70 video is not an expensive upgrade in terms of PC hardware costs, let alone compared to purchasing a completely new PC. Upgrades do not have to be "expensive".
    Torue wrote:
    Tell me have you tested every p4 , ddr2, nvidia or ati combination that other people have to confirm you theories cause all you have are theories based upon a flawed system requirement spec. The video card specification for this game proves that.

    Failure #3: Failure to understand PC hardware. For many PCs, specific tasks are only going to be as fast as the "weakest link". In PC terminology, that's called a bottleneck since it's the one entity that's slowing down the flow of processing/communication. A user doesn't need to test every combination of every piece of hardware out there to confirm anything. No one needs to own every single video card, CPU, and motherboard out there to determine what's reasonable and what's not reasonable for performance with a specific game.

    Failure #4: Failure to separate one flawed system spec from another. Yes, I agree the STO minimum requirements for the NVIDIA video card Cryptic lists is flawed. But that does not make the CPU requirements flawed by association. I would state, as I've have done in the past, that it is my opinion that the minimum system specs are a little too high. That being said, I still think a Pentium 4 is far too slow for enjoyable STO gameplay, and the minimum specs reflect this. For Cryptic, it was better to err on the side of higher system requirements than lower requirements that lead to poor gameplay experiences.
    Torue wrote:
    So all im saying to the community is see what happens on your current pc before you go out and start spending your money on hardware that will be obsolete by the summer.

    Failure #5: Assuming everyone thinks like you do. True, some people don't mind testing out STO on their PCs at release or open beta before committing themselves to an upgrade. Others want to have their PC ready to go before open beta and release. Furthermore, some people would rather have a faster PC regardless of what's required for STO, but they want to do it while keeping good STO gameplay a priority and motive for the upgrade.

    Failure #6: Buying into the technology jokes about hardware being outdated right after you purchase it. While there is truth to that joke, it doesn't tell the whole story I'm a hardware enthusiast, and I know when to buy what hardware for my personal use to make the most out of a specific model or hardware generation. Sometimes I splurge and sometimes I'm conservative because no specific hardware purchase can be based on a set guideline to avoid early deprecation. In short, there is always going to be some new technology on the horizon, and regardless of when you upgrade your PC, specific components are always going to be outpaced by the next model. An upgrade is almost always going to be outpaced by future upgrades.
    Torue wrote:
    The reason i say that is because a new DDR ram is about to come out it might be DDR4 or DDR 5 not sure (...)

    Failure #7: Promoting your own ignorance about new technology as fact.

    7a.) As White Knight already pointed out, you have no clue about memory technology. There is no "DDR4" or "DDR5" yet. Analysts predict we'll see a new version of DDR memory in 2011 or 2012, but nothing anytime soon. DDR3 still has a long ways to go in terms of tweaking down its latency and increasing its bandwidth. The other possibility here is that you're confusing GDDR with DDR. GDDR (graphics memory) is for video cards and the latest generation is GDDR5.
    Torue wrote:
    (...) and motherboards are starting to have more PCI-E slots so you can sli 3 or 4 graphics cards not just 2 (...)

    7b.) Motherboards have had multiple PCI-E slots for a long time. Where have you been? Most of those seeking help on this thread are not going to be in the market for NVIDIA's SLI or ATI's Crossfire (combining multiple GPUs to increase graphics processing performance). I wouldn't ever recommend SLI or Crossfire to anyone for many reasons. They include my own personal experiences with SLI (twice), common sense about costs of upgrading an SLI/Crossfire system, warranty replacement of video cards that doesn't replace the exact same model thus breaking your SLI/Crossfire configuration, etc. It is much more cost effective and much easier to tweak a single video card PC. Dual-GPU cards like the 5970, 295, and any GX2 card are the exceptions to the cost effective point since it's one card with an internal SLI or Crossfire chip.
    Torue wrote:
    (...), also intel is soon going to be releasing a 6 core processor.

    7c.) 6 cores means very little in a gaming world that can barely make use of 4 cores, let alone 3. Most newer games can use at least 2 cores for processing, but game requirements for dual-core CPUs exists because it's ideal to have a little processing power left on one core for other task and applications while a game client dominates the other core. On top of that, this 6-core CPU is what's known as a "tick" technology release according to Intel. It's not a new architecture as it's still based on the Core i7/5/3 platform. The last technology release was a "tock" with the Core i7 hitting the market since this was a vast improvement over the Core 2 platform. For more "tick/tock" information: http://www.intel.com/technology/tick-tock/index.htm
    Torue wrote:
    So ya I am waiting on the smart buy not what the newest and latest tech is.

    7d.) Then you will buy on Intel's "tick" technology release and fail at the "smart buy". Ultimately, you will never have the "latest tech" for that long. There will always be something new and improved out there. In short, upgrade when you need to if you want to conserve money. As for your P4, good luck with STO. We'll all be enjoying our gaming experience while you suffer from your own failings of pride with that P4 of yours.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MilenCho wrote:

    Nice! 4.3 GHz. :) What cooler are you using? And did you test how stable that is with something like Prime 95, 3D Mark, etc.?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Whyl wrote:
    Could someone plese tell me how my system will perform with STO. Thanks.

    Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
    System Model: Dell DXP051
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
    Memory: 3582MB RAM
    Page File: 611MB used, 4852MB available
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
    Manufacturer: NVIDIA
    Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
    DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
    Display Memory: 1024.0 MB
    Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
    Monitor: Dell E196FP
    Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024

    You should be fine. It will run STO without any major performance drawbacks. The 8600 GT is a solid card and it looks like you meet requirements. If you want to max graphics settings in STO, you can always upgrade your PC, but I wouldn't recommend it right now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You should be fine. It will run STO without any major performance drawbacks. The 8600 GT is a solid card and it looks like you meet requirements. If you want to max graphics settings in STO, you can always upgrade your PC, but I wouldn't recommend it right now.

    Thanks very much :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    cipher_nemo, That was one of the most eloquent and well thought response I have ever read in a forum.:)
    And I think you are right. He was probity thinking GDDR. I should have caught that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hello,

    I was hoping I could get some reassurances from the community here about my current setup and how STO will run.

    Operating System: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
    Ram: 8GB Kingston 800mhz
    Processor: Intel E8400 duo Core 3.0ghz
    Video: ATI 4850 512MB
    Monitor: LG 23'' wide 2ms response

    Any reassurance/advice on what I might need to upgrade to run the game smoothly is appreciated!

    Cheers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Galadar wrote:
    Hello,

    I was hoping I could get some reassurances from the community here about my current setup and how STO will run.

    Operating System: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
    Ram: 8GB Kingston 800mhz
    Processor: Intel E8400 duo Core 3.0ghz
    Video: ATI 4850 512MB
    Monitor: LG 23'' wide 2ms response

    Any reassurance/advice on what I might need to upgrade to run the game smoothly is appreciated!

    Cheers.
    You should be a happy camper.:D STO High. Is that the new LG monitors?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    cipher_nemo, That was one of the most eloquent and well thought response I have ever read in a forum.:)
    And I think you are right. He was probity thinking GDDR. I should have caught that.

    Thanks. :) Yeah no worries. The DDR/GDDR confusion is easy to make. But I won't tolerate ignorance when people use it while arguing their point. ;) Nothing wrong with not knowing if they're open about it or at least aware of it.
    Galadar wrote:
    Hello,

    I was hoping I could get some reassurances from the community here about my current setup and how STO will run.

    Operating System: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
    Ram: 8GB Kingston 800mhz
    Processor: Intel E8400 duo Core 3.0ghz
    Video: ATI 4850 512MB
    Monitor: LG 23'' wide 2ms response

    Any reassurance/advice on what I might need to upgrade to run the game smoothly is appreciated!

    Cheers.

    CPU is great, memory is great, and video card is fine! :) Should play quite smoothly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    awesome thanks for the reassurances!

    PS question on the monitor: Nope I got it about a year back!
    Cheers
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Galadar wrote:
    awesome thanks for the reassurances!

    PS question on the monitor: Nope I got it about a year back!
    Cheers
    OK. Those LG monitor look really good. I've been thinking about getting one. Always been a Viewsonic man myself. I know I listed an Acer. My Viewsonc die at the worst possible time. All the really good Viewsonic and Samsung monitors were out of stock. This was the best I could do with a discount. I have a replacement plan on it. I wish I knew how to fry it without voiding the plan.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Thanks. :) Yeah no worries. The DDR/GDDR confusion is easy to make. But I won't tolerate ignorance when people use it while arguing their point. ;) Nothing wrong with not knowing if they're open about it or at least aware of it.

    If he does come back I hope it's with a open heart. If you read his other thread he is asking questions but not liking the answers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Galadar wrote:
    awesome thanks for the reassurances!

    PS question on the monitor: Nope I got it about a year back!
    Cheers

    What is your gaming resolution on that 23" monitor?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If he does come back I hope it's with a open heart. If you read his other thread he is asking questions but not liking the answers.

    Yeah, but it will probably be more trolling/flaming. He seems to thrive on that. Oh well. I'm not replying anymore to stuff like that from him. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, but it will probably be more trolling/flaming. He seems to thrive on that. Oh well. I'm not replying anymore to stuff like that from him. :)

    lol You guys take that stuff way to seriously. I started out civil then you 2 started to flame because someone didnt agree with you. You want to open up a flame thats fine with me. You two have not provided any evidence what so every that a single core would not be okay for this game. In fact you 2 contradict yourselves by one saying a single core wont cut it and the other saying a single core with 2.6 ghz will. The facts are you guys truly dont know how the single cores will do in this game. The fact is I have done what I wanted to accomplish here and that is show you two lack any knowledge on how single core p4s will operate in this game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Cypher Nemo or White Kight
    My XFX GTX 260 turned into a brick over the weekend. I RMA'd it back Newegg on monday and won't get the replacement in time for OB. I was hoping my onboard gpu will cut the mustard for the time being, it's a
    ATI Radeon hd 4200

    Thanks in advance for your assistance. You guys are doing a great service to us non techies
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    epsmith wrote:
    Cypher Nemo or White Kight
    My XFX GTX 260 turned into a brick over the weekend. I RMA'd it back Newegg on monday and won't get the replacement in time for OB. I was hoping my onboard gpu will cut the mustard for the time being, it's a
    ATI Radeon hd 4200

    Thanks in advance for your assistance. You guys are doing a great service to us non techies

    Ouch, sorry to hear about your 260. :(

    The 4200 will probably run the game, but you'd most likely want to turn down all graphics settings immediately when you load it the first time (or manually in the config file first). The client will probably auto adjust for your GPU anyways, but I've noticed it didn't do a good job on my GTX 295, nor did it adjust well on my 8800 GTX in SLI on another PC or 7600 GT on yet another. It might be laggy at times.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    What is your gaming resolution on that 23" monitor?

    I'm not 100% sure but I guess it depends on what game I am running ? I usually go with the highest settings and if it's 'choppy' I scale down to find something that works smoothly. 1650x something or another I think? Sorry I am not 100% sure about the settings!
    Cheers

    EDIT: Thanks for the advice again it is appreciated!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Galadar wrote:
    I'm not 100% sure but I guess it depends on what game I am running ? I usually go with the highest settings and if it's 'choppy' I scale down to find something that works smoothly. 1650x something or another I think? Sorry I am not 100% sure about the settings!
    Cheers

    EDIT: Thanks for the advice again it is appreciated!

    No problem. Sounds like 1680x1050 then. Should be fine at that resolution at decent settings.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    White Knight, cipher_nemo. . .

    Another update from a past inquirer. My machine originally featured an ATI Radeon HD 4350 GPU in addition to an AMD Phenom II X4 910 quad-core processor and 8GB RAM. Upgraded to an (XFX) ATI HD 4890 over the weekend, as prices fell close enough to its midline brethren to make it a no-brainer. . .especially when a 500-watt PSU was pretty much a must, regardless of choice.

    That said, I'm looking more forward to than seeing how it all comes together in Beta. And if I didn't say it before, thank you both for volunteering your time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    White Knight, cipher_nemo. . .

    Another update from a past inquirer. My machine originally featured an ATI Radeon HD 4350 GPU in addition to an AMD Phenom II X4 910 quad-core processor and 8GB RAM. Upgraded to an (XFX) ATI HD 4890 over the weekend, as prices fell close enough to its midline brethren to make it a no-brainer. . .especially when a 500-watt PSU was pretty much a must, regardless of choice.

    That said, I'm looking more forward to than seeing how it all comes together in Beta. And if I didn't say it before, thank you both for volunteering your time.

    Great, hope to see you in game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Will that card work well? 512mb... 8 Gig RAM... 9950 Quad Core system.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Pike1701A wrote:
    Will that card work well? 512mb... 8 Gig RAM... 9950 Quad Core system.

    You're good to go.:)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    wth? dual core cpu my romulan behind. me i can't even afford at the moment to upgrade or even think about getting a new computer so i'm perfectly happy with my amd athalon 64 3800 cpu and 2 gigs of ram. if that doesn't allow me to run and play start trek online then i just shelled out 64 bucks thats non refundable for nothing! All i have to say is i better be able to run this on my comp or there will be hell to pay!
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