That 'odd greenish back paneling' was probably a green screen they didn't build right, or use the right camera settings for...assuming green screens were a thing back int he 60s.
Yeah no green screens. They had to cut the film or overlay two pieces of film over each other and re-film it.
“ When the original piece of film was combined with the mask (which is like a hole in the piece of film) and the glitter element, the glitter effect showed up only over the outline of the figures. The image of the figures from the original piece of film was faded out, or in, to finally reveal the materialization/dematerialization effect, and this was all achieved with film cameras and optical printing.”
People talk about TOS effects being “cheap” because of budget limitations. But I don’t think that was the biggest issue. There were no precedent for effects like that. They had to pioneer and invent techniques for every shot.
I think the D was the first and only flagship of the federation? All the other Enterprises were legends, but that title only existed for TNG methinks. Might be mistaken.
Well... the Enterprise-A was sent to act as escort for Qo'noS One.
Regarding that really big/close moon, I actually don't take this image "literally". I think we are seeing 2 different settings (space and ground) "blended" together.
Pike is from Mojave California and is a horse rider. I think the bottom part of the image is representing him on earth/at home, and the top is him in space.
I'd have to agree with it being a composite image. Besides... I doubt a Consitution Class can stay airborn that close to the ground. Yes I know we saw a Crossfield do that, but I doubt a Connie has that same capability.
The image is clearly symbolic and not meant to be taken literally.
The Discoprise is not that close to the ground considering it is about twice the length of a real-world aircraft carrier, though it is still almost certainly a composite image despite that.
The saucer was meant to be able to make a soft landing on tripod landing gear if they had to do a separation, and the whole thing can maneuver in atmosphere as shown in Tomorrow is Yesterday (though the heat and radiation from the stardrive section would probably be a problem. Added to that heat, the effect of leakage from a gravity anomaly strong enough to hold up something as heavy as around a million tons of ship would probably cause horrendous updrafts that would mess up the local weather to some extent if it stayed in one place too long.
Also, the bussards are running in the picture and it is very doubtful that they would do that in atmosphere since magnetic fields that strong would kill birds (and maybe even people) for hundreds of miles in front of the ship along with other undesirable effects.
I'm looking forward to seeing that smexy DSC Connie again. They did her right with that modernized version of the classic. Still got the overall TOS feel, while bringing it into today's capabilities with tech. Also hoping we get both versions of the uniform, the one they used in Discovery aboard Enterprise and the new uniforms they were showing.
> @paradox#7391 said: > Today People on Twitter are making a big deal about Spock kissing his fiancee T'Pring in SNW, > > And honestly this negative reaction came completely out of left field.
I tried to find people talking about this at the time you posted it. If what you say is true, it is a continuity problem because Spock claims in “Amok Time” that they hadn’t met since they were children. Spock lies all the time though.
“A lie?” Saavik asks.
“An omission,” Spock corrects.
Nurse Chapel lies too. She said she joined Starfleet after Strange New Worlds.
Star Trek is a 75-year institution of bad memory and retcons. So we have to take this stuff with a grain of salt. And in honesty, I misspeak quite a bit too. I told someone I was two years older than I am the other day, and by the time I realized I was mistaken—I decided it was too minute a point to correct. Fortunately no one holds my speaking to the same level of scrutiny that I hold Spock’s words to.
Still waiting on Paramount+ to kick off here in sunny, I imagine that's where it will be.
I'm allergic to Disco Klingon designs so I won't be watching any more of that despite my Burnham crush (I know she's an unlikable character but hormones).
Picard had a better start in season 2.
A bit more traditional Trek will be fine though, getting a little W40K in the other shows.
I'm allergic to Disco Klingon designs so I won't be watching any more of that despite my Burnham crush (I know she's an unlikable character but hormones).
We haven't seen any Klingons since season 2. We're up to season 4 right now.
Star Trek is a 75-year institution of bad memory and retcons. So we have to take this stuff with a grain of salt.
For example, does Vulcan have a moon?
The second pilot for TOS said that Jim Kirk's middle initial was R. Spock said that there had never been a mutiny in Starfleet history two episodes after he committed mutiny to get Pike to Talos IV. The Federation doesn't use money, except that the crew had credits to spend at Station K-7, Spock knew how much had been invested in officer training in another episode, and Kirk told Scotty in a third that he'd earned his paycheck for the week. And the hits just keep on coming.
I'm allergic to Disco Klingon designs so I won't be watching any more of that despite my Burnham crush (I know she's an unlikable character but hormones).
We haven't seen any Klingons since season 2. We're up to season 4 right now.
Kinda strange, actually. I thought they would be part of the future Federation, or something. Also, seems like some should show up in Picard somewhere (other than stock photo of Worf).
But anyway, I'm sure they'll be in SNW. They're too big a part of that time period not to be. And for what it's worth, I never had a problem with the Disco Klingons; I actually thought they looked cool
I'm allergic to Disco Klingon designs so I won't be watching any more of that despite my Burnham crush (I know she's an unlikable character but hormones).
We haven't seen any Klingons since season 2. We're up to season 4 right now.
I stopped at the end of season 1. Plus that makes no difference anyway, that's now the design for Klingons in Discovery should they return and I'm not having this continuing picking on Klingons. Kelvin ones were barely tolerable fortunately they only appeared for 5 minutes.
They didn't even bother trying to explain why they were now goblins which they did with the hairy and heavily tanned humans in TOS.
They didn't even bother trying to explain why they were now goblins which they did with the hairy and heavily tanned humans in TOS.
While it's true they didn't explain in the show, someone posted a really nice headcanon explanation I thought worked well:
Because the Augment virus removed Klingon ridges in ENT era, the Empire started doing some genetic engineering to reverse the effects of the virus and went a bit too far/overboard, resulting in the more extreme appearance in Discovery. (eventually they got it all worked out and they were back to 'normal' again in TNG)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I stopped at the end of season 1. Plus that makes no difference anyway, that's now the design for Klingons in Discovery should they return and I'm not having this continuing picking on Klingons. Kelvin ones were barely tolerable fortunately they only appeared for 5 minutes.
They didn't even bother trying to explain why they were now goblins which they did with the hairy and heavily tanned humans in TOS.
I didn't have a problem with the Kelvin Timeline Klingons...
Then again my headcanon is that the Augment Virus didn't affect EVERY SINGLE KLINGON in the Empire. And I wouldn't be surprised if, like Romulans as revealed in Picard, Klingons have ethnic groups too. I mean if TOS and TNG style Romulans can exist at the same time... why can't TOS, TNG, and even DSC style Klingons exist at the same time in that time period?
And you missed out on the awesome reveal of the D7. The REAL D7.
Turns out the Enterprise, while being 10-20 years older, can still stand up to a brand new design.
And of course we got to see the Enterprise get some action at the end of the season. Complete with the classic bridge layout, if a bit bigger, and actual blue BEAM phasers.
That no money thing has always been a myth, they just don't have a hard-cash currency, and biometrics make the person their own credit card, so they don't have to carry one of those either.
Also, they are a post-scarcity society so the cost of most things is trivial anyway, though not everything is (anything with dilithium would be relatively expensive to own and operate for instance, since it is one of the few things that are still scarce, which probably explains why Cyrano Jones does not have enough to cover his tab and got cut off by the bartender).
Worlds deep in the Federation can look like there is nothing like money, but border areas like DS9 and K-7 that deal a lot with non-Federation people have to deal more directly with Credits. In fact, dialog in DS9 mentioned exchanging Federation Credits into Ferengi GPL explicitly.
As for Klingons, they had different ethnic groups right from the beginning that not only looked different, they had slightly different traditions as well. There were three distinct types shown in TOS (and there were probably other augment virus types not seen, as well as the TNG and DSC types who were likewise not seen in that show):
The ones like Kang and his crew who physically were darker skinned, and had straight, upswept almost Vulcan-like eyebrows. They had the same "honorable space barbarian" code of conduct and rough humor as the TNG Klingons.
Kor and his troops had a kind of medium olive complexion and generally bushy bifurcated eyebrows. Their society was a kind of Orwellian surveillance culture and seems to have the least individual freedom of the three. The ship that harassed Enterprise in an attempt to trick them into going to warp with the dilithium chamber rigged to explode in Elaan of Troyius was probably also from the same great house judging by the look of the captain.
The type Koloth and his crew belonged to had a light ruddy skin tone and humanlike eyebrows and could pass for human easily. Their culture seemed to be the most scheming of the three, though there was no sign of surveillance so it probably had more individual freedom than Kor's great house. Another example of this type is Kras, the Klingon seen on the ground in Friday's Child.
> @thegrandnagus1 said: > Kinda strange, actually. I thought they would be part of the future Federation, or something. Also, seems like some should show up in Picard somewhere (other than stock photo of Worf). >
I noticed there was a Klingon Flag on the stage at Starfleet Acadamy while Picard was giving his commencement speech. I was trying to figure out why it was there. Certainly Klingons are allies. But you wouldn’t expect say a Japanese flag at Westpoint. The flag looked pretty cool though. There was a Vulcan flag too. I can’t think of another instance of a flag in Star Trek except the UFP flag.
Memory Alpha has a green and gold Klingon banner used in DS9, but the one in Picard was red and white.
I stopped at the end of season 1. Plus that makes no difference anyway, that's now the design for Klingons in Discovery should they return and I'm not having this continuing picking on Klingons. Kelvin ones were barely tolerable fortunately they only appeared for 5 minutes.
They didn't even bother trying to explain why they were now goblins which they did with the hairy and heavily tanned humans in TOS.
I didn't have a problem with the Kelvin Timeline Klingons...
Then again my headcanon is that the Augment Virus didn't affect EVERY SINGLE KLINGON in the Empire. And I wouldn't be surprised if, like Romulans as revealed in Picard, Klingons have ethnic groups too. I mean if TOS and TNG style Romulans can exist at the same time... why can't TOS, TNG, and even DSC style Klingons exist at the same time in that time period?
And you missed out on the awesome reveal of the D7. The REAL D7.
Turns out the Enterprise, while being 10-20 years older, can still stand up to a brand new design.
And of course we got to see the Enterprise get some action at the end of the season. Complete with the classic bridge layout, if a bit bigger, and actual blue BEAM phasers.
Also hoping we'll see more of the reimagined Rom BOPs from Picard. While the one from Picard was basically an antique, they'll actually fit in during the SNW era. I think the art team did a great job updating all 3 of those TOS designs
I stopped at the end of season 1. Plus that makes no difference anyway, that's now the design for Klingons in Discovery should they return and I'm not having this continuing picking on Klingons. Kelvin ones were barely tolerable fortunately they only appeared for 5 minutes.
They didn't even bother trying to explain why they were now goblins which they did with the hairy and heavily tanned humans in TOS.
I didn't have a problem with the Kelvin Timeline Klingons...
Then again my headcanon is that the Augment Virus didn't affect EVERY SINGLE KLINGON in the Empire. And I wouldn't be surprised if, like Romulans as revealed in Picard, Klingons have ethnic groups too. I mean if TOS and TNG style Romulans can exist at the same time... why can't TOS, TNG, and even DSC style Klingons exist at the same time in that time period?
And you missed out on the awesome reveal of the D7. The REAL D7.
Turns out the Enterprise, while being 10-20 years older, can still stand up to a brand new design.
And of course we got to see the Enterprise get some action at the end of the season. Complete with the classic bridge layout, if a bit bigger, and actual blue BEAM phasers.
Also hoping we'll see more of the reimagined Rom BOPs from Picard. While the one from Picard was basically an antique, they'll actually fit in during the SNW era. I think the art team did a great job updating all 3 of those TOS designs
It does make story sense that the T'liss in "Balance of Terror" was an outdated ship. The captain was clearly out of favor with Command, as revealed by his conversations with his XO, and in our empires at least it's been traditional to send disfavored but high-ranking personnel on "honorable" one-way missions with outdated equipment. If the captain had succeeded in destroying a Federation starship with the new weapon, well and good - they know it works. If he damages the Feds and provokes a war, well, there's nothing quite so good for the wallets of the wealthy than a nice war to profiteer on. If the mission is an utter failure and he's killed or blows his ship up to avoid capture (as happened), he's out of their hair and no longer leading others "astray". From the point of view of the RSE, it's a win-win, especially if the ship lost doesn't happen to be particularly valuable to them.
> @phoenixc#0738 said: > Fuller apparently created the character of Burnham with a complex, bimodal personality that would shift between Human and Vulcan modes and needed an actress who could handle the constant shifting smoothly and cleanly, from hints in his responses when asked about why he held the show up waiting for Sonequa Martin-Green to be released from The Walking Dead. In a drama that kind of a character is interesting, but in a melodrama they have to be pretty much over-the-top and ridiculous to even be noticed in the emotional spam of the rest of the characters. >
I agree with Brian Fuller then, Martin-Green is definitely a phenomenal actress. I think @Jonsillis also explained that her emotions are a result of trying to suppress her emotions with Vulcan techniques. I am not sure if I agree that is an issue of genera. But those explanations make it more palpable.
Jon also said that some of the Discovery crew start getting some much-needed character development. I still haven’t watched all of season 3 though.
Why was that even necessary? Isn’t he supposed to be on the Farragut? Talk about milking nostalgia for money.
The universe only gets smaller when they use old characters and aliens. There are an actual infinite number of stars in the universe—and only 4.1 billion Earth-like suns in our Galaxy. How many aliens have we seen in Star Trek? 100? Star Trek is an intellectual property with infinite potential and yet we are stuck talking forever about a handful of ships and people.
If som were here he would talk about how Star Trek has already told every possible story or because most of the galaxy has been discovered in Trek— it means that the viewer too has already met all the aliens. There is nothing left to explore.
I highly doubt it. It seems to me the writers are either trapped by the phantom—the ghost of Star Trek history—or the studio is.
Why was that even necessary? Isn’t he supposed to be on the Farragut? Talk about milking nostalgia for money.
The universe only gets smaller when they use old characters and aliens. There are an actual infinite number of stars in the universe—and only 4.1 billion Earth-like suns in our Galaxy. How many aliens have we seen in Star Trek? 100? Star Trek is an intellectual property with infinite potential and yet we are stuck talking forever about a handful of ships and people.
If som were here he would talk about how Star Trek has already told every possible story or because most of the galaxy has been discovered in Trek— it means that the viewer too has already met all the aliens. There is nothing left to explore.
I highly doubt it. It seems to me the writers are either trapped by the phantom—the ghost of Star Trek history—or the studio is.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of this move TBH. The best we can hope for is it's just an appearance here or there rather than him becoming a main character on the show. And I'm pretty sure it was stated in TOS that Kirk meets Pike after he's promoted to admiral or something. So unless they retcon that, he can't really have any interaction with the Enterprise.
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ummm. they did those panels because.. the '60s.
“ When the original piece of film was combined with the mask (which is like a hole in the piece of film) and the glitter element, the glitter effect showed up only over the outline of the figures. The image of the figures from the original piece of film was faded out, or in, to finally reveal the materialization/dematerialization effect, and this was all achieved with film cameras and optical printing.”
People talk about TOS effects being “cheap” because of budget limitations. But I don’t think that was the biggest issue. There were no precedent for effects like that. They had to pioneer and invent techniques for every shot.
https://www.inverse.com/article/18757-how-star-trek-changed-visual-effects-history/amp
Well... the Enterprise-A was sent to act as escort for Qo'noS One.
Regarding that really big/close moon, I actually don't take this image "literally". I think we are seeing 2 different settings (space and ground) "blended" together.
Pike is from Mojave California and is a horse rider. I think the bottom part of the image is representing him on earth/at home, and the top is him in space.
Just my opinion
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Join Date: Sep 2008
The image is clearly symbolic and not meant to be taken literally.
The saucer was meant to be able to make a soft landing on tripod landing gear if they had to do a separation, and the whole thing can maneuver in atmosphere as shown in Tomorrow is Yesterday (though the heat and radiation from the stardrive section would probably be a problem. Added to that heat, the effect of leakage from a gravity anomaly strong enough to hold up something as heavy as around a million tons of ship would probably cause horrendous updrafts that would mess up the local weather to some extent if it stayed in one place too long.
Also, the bussards are running in the picture and it is very doubtful that they would do that in atmosphere since magnetic fields that strong would kill birds (and maybe even people) for hundreds of miles in front of the ship along with other undesirable effects.
And honestly this negative reaction came completely out of left field.
Yup. Somebody's got to do all that degaussing.
Ever Ensign keeps a micro-resonator in his toolkit for just such an occasion.
I'm a costume fiend. I admit it.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
> Today People on Twitter are making a big deal about Spock kissing his fiancee T'Pring in SNW,
>
> And honestly this negative reaction came completely out of left field.
I tried to find people talking about this at the time you posted it. If what you say is true, it is a continuity problem because Spock claims in “Amok Time” that they hadn’t met since they were children. Spock lies all the time though.
“A lie?” Saavik asks.
“An omission,” Spock corrects.
Nurse Chapel lies too. She said she joined Starfleet after Strange New Worlds.
Star Trek is a 75-year institution of bad memory and retcons. So we have to take this stuff with a grain of salt. And in honesty, I misspeak quite a bit too. I told someone I was two years older than I am the other day, and by the time I realized I was mistaken—I decided it was too minute a point to correct. Fortunately no one holds my speaking to the same level of scrutiny that I hold Spock’s words to.
I'm allergic to Disco Klingon designs so I won't be watching any more of that despite my Burnham crush (I know she's an unlikable character but hormones).
Picard had a better start in season 2.
A bit more traditional Trek will be fine though, getting a little W40K in the other shows.
We haven't seen any Klingons since season 2. We're up to season 4 right now.
The second pilot for TOS said that Jim Kirk's middle initial was R. Spock said that there had never been a mutiny in Starfleet history two episodes after he committed mutiny to get Pike to Talos IV. The Federation doesn't use money, except that the crew had credits to spend at Station K-7, Spock knew how much had been invested in officer training in another episode, and Kirk told Scotty in a third that he'd earned his paycheck for the week. And the hits just keep on coming.
Kinda strange, actually. I thought they would be part of the future Federation, or something. Also, seems like some should show up in Picard somewhere (other than stock photo of Worf).
But anyway, I'm sure they'll be in SNW. They're too big a part of that time period not to be. And for what it's worth, I never had a problem with the Disco Klingons; I actually thought they looked cool
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I stopped at the end of season 1. Plus that makes no difference anyway, that's now the design for Klingons in Discovery should they return and I'm not having this continuing picking on Klingons. Kelvin ones were barely tolerable fortunately they only appeared for 5 minutes.
They didn't even bother trying to explain why they were now goblins which they did with the hairy and heavily tanned humans in TOS.
While it's true they didn't explain in the show, someone posted a really nice headcanon explanation I thought worked well:
Because the Augment virus removed Klingon ridges in ENT era, the Empire started doing some genetic engineering to reverse the effects of the virus and went a bit too far/overboard, resulting in the more extreme appearance in Discovery. (eventually they got it all worked out and they were back to 'normal' again in TNG)
Obviously not from the show, but works in my head
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
These things are not mutually exclusive.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I didn't have a problem with the Kelvin Timeline Klingons...
Then again my headcanon is that the Augment Virus didn't affect EVERY SINGLE KLINGON in the Empire. And I wouldn't be surprised if, like Romulans as revealed in Picard, Klingons have ethnic groups too. I mean if TOS and TNG style Romulans can exist at the same time... why can't TOS, TNG, and even DSC style Klingons exist at the same time in that time period?
And you missed out on the awesome reveal of the D7. The REAL D7.
Turns out the Enterprise, while being 10-20 years older, can still stand up to a brand new design.
And of course we got to see the Enterprise get some action at the end of the season. Complete with the classic bridge layout, if a bit bigger, and actual blue BEAM phasers.
Also, they are a post-scarcity society so the cost of most things is trivial anyway, though not everything is (anything with dilithium would be relatively expensive to own and operate for instance, since it is one of the few things that are still scarce, which probably explains why Cyrano Jones does not have enough to cover his tab and got cut off by the bartender).
Worlds deep in the Federation can look like there is nothing like money, but border areas like DS9 and K-7 that deal a lot with non-Federation people have to deal more directly with Credits. In fact, dialog in DS9 mentioned exchanging Federation Credits into Ferengi GPL explicitly.
As for Klingons, they had different ethnic groups right from the beginning that not only looked different, they had slightly different traditions as well. There were three distinct types shown in TOS (and there were probably other augment virus types not seen, as well as the TNG and DSC types who were likewise not seen in that show):
> Kinda strange, actually. I thought they would be part of the future Federation, or something. Also, seems like some should show up in Picard somewhere (other than stock photo of Worf).
>
I noticed there was a Klingon Flag on the stage at Starfleet Acadamy while Picard was giving his commencement speech. I was trying to figure out why it was there. Certainly Klingons are allies. But you wouldn’t expect say a Japanese flag at Westpoint. The flag looked pretty cool though. There was a Vulcan flag too. I can’t think of another instance of a flag in Star Trek except the UFP flag.
Memory Alpha has a green and gold Klingon banner used in DS9, but the one in Picard was red and white.
https://www.looper.com/782749/easter-eggs-you-missed-in-star-trek-picard-season-2/
Also hoping we'll see more of the reimagined Rom BOPs from Picard. While the one from Picard was basically an antique, they'll actually fit in during the SNW era. I think the art team did a great job updating all 3 of those TOS designs
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
> @phoenixc#0738 said:
> Fuller apparently created the character of Burnham with a complex, bimodal personality that would shift between Human and Vulcan modes and needed an actress who could handle the constant shifting smoothly and cleanly, from hints in his responses when asked about why he held the show up waiting for Sonequa Martin-Green to be released from The Walking Dead. In a drama that kind of a character is interesting, but in a melodrama they have to be pretty much over-the-top and ridiculous to even be noticed in the emotional spam of the rest of the characters.
>
I agree with Brian Fuller then, Martin-Green is definitely a phenomenal actress. I think @Jonsillis also explained that her emotions are a result of trying to suppress her emotions with Vulcan techniques. I am not sure if I agree that is an issue of genera. But those explanations make it more palpable.
Jon also said that some of the Discovery crew start getting some much-needed character development. I still haven’t watched all of season 3 though.
https://www.startrek.com/news/paul-wesley-joins-the-cast-of-strange-new-worlds
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
> And now we have a new Kirk:
>
> https://www.startrek.com/news/paul-wesley-joins-the-cast-of-strange-new-worlds
Why was that even necessary? Isn’t he supposed to be on the Farragut? Talk about milking nostalgia for money.
The universe only gets smaller when they use old characters and aliens. There are an actual infinite number of stars in the universe—and only 4.1 billion Earth-like suns in our Galaxy. How many aliens have we seen in Star Trek? 100? Star Trek is an intellectual property with infinite potential and yet we are stuck talking forever about a handful of ships and people.
If som were here he would talk about how Star Trek has already told every possible story or because most of the galaxy has been discovered in Trek— it means that the viewer too has already met all the aliens. There is nothing left to explore.
I highly doubt it. It seems to me the writers are either trapped by the phantom—the ghost of Star Trek history—or the studio is.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of this move TBH. The best we can hope for is it's just an appearance here or there rather than him becoming a main character on the show. And I'm pretty sure it was stated in TOS that Kirk meets Pike after he's promoted to admiral or something. So unless they retcon that, he can't really have any interaction with the Enterprise.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008