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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,543 Arc User
    Who said you hated Disco?

    Your every post on the topic - pushing weird conspiracy theories where the show supposedly stole all its major plot elements from an unreleased video game, expressing dismay at the very idea that elements from the show might make it into STO in any way whatsoever, all of your ranting in here... It doesn't exactly take a Ph.D. in psychology to get the drift of your posts.

    If you don't like the older stuff either, then a) why b*tch about it? and b) that leaves you not liking any Trek - why are you here?
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    I think he means "TOS" when he says "older stuff"
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,868 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    ...I mean, it's literally been retreading previous shows. Klingons, Harry Mudd, Mirror Universe...

    Just like every other incarnation of Star Trek on television post TOS.

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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,612 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    patrickngo wrote: »
    ...I mean, it's literally been retreading previous shows. Klingons, Harry Mudd, Mirror Universe...

    Just like every other incarnation of Star Trek on television post TOS.

    At least they haven't done a Psi 2000 virus episode yet.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,612 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    patrickngo wrote: »
    i don't remember the Harry Mudd appearance on TNG, or DS9, or Voyager. Please refresh my memory there. Also which major characters in any of those other shows was a direct family relative of a member of the original crew? I'll wait...

    What are the odds of an ancestor of Noonian Soong being involved in an augment plot during the ENT era or of three notable KDF captains from the TOS era featuring in DS9 (some for multiple episodes)? Worf's grandfather defended Kirk and McCoy during their trial in Undiscovered Country. Matt Decker's son was slated to command the Enterprise prior to Kirk's involvement with TMP. Sulu's daughter (surprise, he has a daughter) helmed the Enterprise B. Also note the involving of Darvin (Harry Mudd style) for a full retcon of Trouble with Tribbles with the thinnest of openings, two characters from TNG starring in DS9, the full replication of Naked Time in TNG, and the miscellaneous cameos that aren't exactly likely given the timescales involved and scale of the Federation (ex. the plot contrivances required to bring Kirk and Scotty into the TNG era.) And of course let's not forget there being a highly improbable (according to internal logic) reboot of TOS to take referencing a past series to the ultimate (including the second cameo of Spock himself in a latter Star Trek production.)

    Star Trek has never been shy about using its own material or expanding on characters through subsequent series, and the bar for acceptability was set much lower than the passes made by Discovery.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,868 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    i don't remember the Harry Mudd appearance on TNG, or DS9, or Voyager. Please refresh my memory there. Also which major characters in any of those other shows was a direct family relative of a member of the original crew? I'll wait...

    Why focus solely on Harry Mudd? I don't suppose you recall he appeared on TAS ... which is post TOS..

    But anyway, your post -
    patrickngo wrote: »
    ...I mean, it's literally been retreading previous shows. Klingons, Harry Mudd, Mirror Universe, the show-after-show-after-show of bringing in cameos and highlighting references to 'prove' it's in the same universe, instead ...

    Are you honestly going to claim that no post TOS Trek TV program re-retread old(er) ideas/concepts or "used nostalgia" to connect it to what came before?


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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,543 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    TNG never did a Mirror episode, but they did revisit the Get People Drunk Through Bad Science Virus ep from TOS, had Adm. McCoy see the Enterprise off, and actually had an episode that guest-starred James Doohan as Capt. Montgomery Scott, so...

    The DS9 incidents have been mentioned above, aside from the fact that the Mirror Universe (or at least a Mirror Universe, I'm not convinced yet that it was the same one) comes into play on more than one occasion, and of course the involvement of Capt. Picard in the two-parter that launched the series. In VOY (which initially departs from DS9, and features Sisko in the opening), we learned that Tuvok was once assigned to the USS Excelsior under Capt. Sulu. ENT introduced us not only to Noonien Soong's grandfather Arik, even played by Brent Spiner, but also to a younger T'Pau (and wasn't Sarek in there somewhere?).

    It's called "continuity". Elements from one series show up in another, in part to establish that they're all part of the same big thing. One might as sensibly complain about an early Spider-Man issue in which he nearly joined the Fantastic Four, or NCIS Director Vance showing up on NCIS: LA.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    So far there's Mudd who's appeared twice or so which is only slightly more often than Quark's appeared on TNG or VGR. The Mirror Universe that's featured in about as many episodes as in DS9. Sarek as a semi recurring character which is unprecedented and the Enterprise with Pike will set up the second series which certainly isn't what the Enterprise and Picard were doing in 'Emissary'.

    Hardly worth wetting your knickers over in terms of DSC being creatively bankrupt. In fact it's pretty indefensibly stupid as far as criticisms go as it relies entirely on closing your eyes and ears to every single crossover or reference that's ever happened in Trek.​​
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,868 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    It's called "continuity". Elements from one series show up in another, in part to establish that they're all part of the same big thing.

    Hey, stop trying to use facts to disprove a nonsensical rant.

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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,249 Arc User
    I guess @badmoonrisin or another mod missed the request but as the threas creator, I once again request cease transmission(IE SHUT THE THREAD DOWN).
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    i don't remember the Harry Mudd appearance on TNG, or DS9, or Voyager. Please refresh my memory there. Also which major characters in any of those other shows was a direct family relative of a member of the original crew? I'll wait...

    What are the odds of an ancestor of Noonian Soong being involved in an augment plot during the ENT era or of three notable KDF captains from the TOS era featuring in DS9 (some for multiple episodes)? Worf's grandfather defended Kirk and McCoy during their trial in Undiscovered Country. Matt Decker's son was slated to command the Enterprise prior to Kirk's involvement with TMP. Sulu's daughter (surprise, he has a daughter) helmed the Enterprise B. Also note the involving of Darvin (Harry Mudd style) for a full retcon of Trouble with Tribbles with the thinnest of openings, two characters from TNG starring in DS9, the full replication of Naked Time in TNG, and the miscellaneous cameos that aren't exactly likely given the timescales involved and scale of the Federation (ex. the plot contrivances required to bring Kirk and Scotty into the TNG era.) And of course let's not forget there being a highly improbable (according to internal logic) reboot of TOS to take referencing a past series to the ultimate (including the second cameo of Spock himself in a latter Star Trek production.)

    Star Trek has never been shy about using its own material or expanding on characters through subsequent series, and the bar for acceptability was set much lower than the passes made by Discovery.
    One of my favorites was how Spock indirectly mind-melded with Sarek via Picard.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,543 Arc User
    I'm sorry this isn't all one big "oh god we all hate ST:D" thread like you wanted, talon, but why should the devs shut down an ongoing (and relatively calm) discussion just because you don't want to participate any more?
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 36,757 Arc User
    because the thread belongs to him and he has the right to shut it down any time for any reason​​
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    because the thread belongs to him and he has the right to shut it down any time for any reason​​

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    which means jack s*it - it's his thread, he can request closure if he wants, just like the thousands of other people who did so in the past have done​​
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Well, the mods aren't required to close it just because he asked.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,612 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    which means jack s*it - it's his thread, he can request closure if he wants, just like the thousands of other people who did so in the past have done​​

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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,868 Arc User
    which means jack s*it - it's his thread, he can request closure if he wants, just like the thousands of other people who did so in the past have done​​

    Well, no. The thread is the property of PWE. I don't think you understand how ownership on the internet works.
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  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    My biggest problem with DSC, is that we have to wait until January for more episodes.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,612 Arc User
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    My biggest problem with DSC, is that we have to wait until January for more episodes.

    Hey, there's AoD this fall. ;)
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Who said you hated Disco?
    You did, remember?
    jonsills wrote: »
    And if you hate Disco as badly as you seem to
    jonsills wrote: »
    Your every post on the topic - pushing weird conspiracy theories where the show supposedly stole all its major plot elements from an unreleased video game
    "Conspiracy theories"? What "conspiracy"? No one is trying to blow the UN. Aliens are not going to abduct the US president. Bigfoot is not lobbying for harsher gun control laws. You are just being insulting here.

    Someone who has seen the script of Star Trek:Discovery thinks it is plausible that that major plot points could be lifted from another source because the current TRIBBLE setting and plot differs drastically from what he read. That isn't a "conspiracy" It's an opinion. One you don't like because it casts a bad light on TRIBBLE's hack writers (they don't need any help, they can do that all on their own).
    jonsills wrote: »
    expressing dismay at the very idea that elements from the show might make it into STO in any way whatsoever,
    I don't care if TRIBBLE content makes it into STO. I said that already. You keep making things up. Like how I "apparently hate TRIBBLE".
    jonsills wrote: »
    all of your ranting in here... It doesn't exactly take a Ph.D. in psychology to get the drift of your posts.
    So, you state "who said you hated Star Trek: Discovery?" then you play armchair psychologist (in an incredibly smug way) obliquely accusing me of hating TRIBBLE. So again, I do not hate TRIBBLE. YOU continue to imply or allude to me hating it, which is false.
    jonsills wrote: »
    If you don't like the older stuff either, then a) why b*tch about it? and b) that leaves you not liking any Trek - why are you here?
    I already answered you:
    redvenge wrote: »
    I hate bad writing. Star Trek: Discovery has sloppy writing. It is bad in places, but mostly sloppy. Star Trek: Discovery can improve, with more oversight and leadership in the writing room. I doubt that is going to happen, but I will continue to point out issues hoping they might improve.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,519 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    expressing dismay at the very idea that elements from the show might make it into STO in any way whatsoever,
    I don't care if TRIBBLE content makes it into STO. I said that already.

    My bigger issue is how Picard's new series will affect STO. STO has already established a timeline that overlaps the same time Picard's new series will be set. My personal hope is that the Picard series and STO are in parallel universes so the Picard series doesn't follow the timeline established by STO or STO has to make a few changes to the game like removing the Klingon-Federation War from the game if there is no Klingon-Federation War in the series.

  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    More likely they'll just add a Picard NPC to Vulcan. :p
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,519 Arc User
    More likely they'll just add a Picard NPC to Vulcan. :p

    Obviously, the new Picard series will affect STO in some way since we already had the Terminal Expanse mission and the Kelvin Timeline Lockbox and we are getting Age of Discovery. However, there is a huge difference between the devs adding something new to the game and having to change huge portions of the game.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,612 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    STO has already established a timeline that overlaps the same time Picard's new series will be set.

    There's a ten year gap, from what we've heard with the Picard series happening first. That is a sizable buffer which I think should be able to handle most changes.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,519 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    STO has already established a timeline that overlaps the same time Picard's new series will be set.

    There's a ten year gap, from what we've heard with the Picard series happening first. That is a sizable buffer which I think should be able to handle most changes.

    STO has the Path to 2409 which covers every year since Nemesis. So if they pick 2399 to set the Picard series, then there needs to be a Klingon-Gorn War in the series and has to follow the previous events established by STO's timeline to have a connection to STO. Every event laid out in STO's timeline during the Picard series run will have to happen.

    It is far easier for the creators of any new Star Trek series to create their own content and STO creates its own content without worrying about the other party. The creators of the Picard series should be able to create the story they want without having their hands tied by STO.
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