Several people have obviously never seen Star Trek but have a impression of it their heads filtered through rose tinted neurons. It's really the only explanation for all the obvious lying, omissions, and hypocrisy that leads to their pathological dislike of that bloody bald Frenchman and his love boat of space hippies sorry black guy who dosn't even Trek anywhere and the whole show's about war and Roddenberry would be ashamed sorry psychopathic woman! and her crew of rip offs of TNG which we really like honest sorry again dude from Quantum Leap in a completely unnecessary prequel that ruins the finely honed continuity of TOS oops soulless reboot staring that Kirk guy from the series we're too young to have watch but still hold up as the pinnacle of everything except when it comes to continuity then we pretend it had some bugger it, last time, woman lead show that is destroying really important things to me of great personal importance that the entire 50 years of franchise depends upon like no holograms in the 23nd century.
Chill.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
What does that MEAN?! Is it like midichlorians? This sounds like midichlorians. The spore drive is becoming nonsense. How can the spore drive re-write his brain?How can the Mycelial Network re-write his brain? Space magic, I guess. Everything in TRIBBLE is space magic.
That's like asking HOW does the Heisenberg compensator work to make teleportation actually possible in Trek shows. It just does, Trek has constantly used technobable to explain stuff, without actually explaining it. Why is Discovery somehow exempt from this same protection?
We might not know how the Heisenberg compensator works, but we know what it does based on its name. The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle states that you can know the position or motion of a particle, but not both. The Heisenberg compensator simply makes it possible to know the position and motion of a particle. Since the transporter records each particle in an object, then invalidating the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle is a necessity.
What does that MEAN?! Is it like midichlorians? This sounds like midichlorians. The spore drive is becoming nonsense. How can the spore drive re-write his brain?How can the Mycelial Network re-write his brain? Space magic, I guess. Everything in TRIBBLE is space magic.
That's like asking HOW does the Heisenberg compensator work to make teleportation actually possible in Trek shows. It just does, Trek has constantly used technobable to explain stuff, without actually explaining it. Why is Discovery somehow exempt from this same protection?
We might not know how the Heisenberg compensator works, but we know what it does based on its name. The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle states that you can know the position or motion of a particle, but not both. The Heisenberg compensator simply makes it possible to know the position and motion of a particle. Since the transporter records each particle in an object, then invalidating the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle is a necessity.
ACTUALLY... the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is the most misquoted thing in science. The actual principle is that we don't IRL have scanning techniques capable of doing both. Why? because using photons to detect the positions of atoms causes the atoms to move. A good analogy is dribbling a basketball to detect the locations of loose balls on a basketball court. Sure, you can find them... but each time you move them.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
That's like asking HOW does the Heisenberg compensator work to make teleportation actually possible in Trek shows. It just does, Trek has constantly used technobable to explain stuff, without actually explaining it. Why is Discovery somehow exempt from this same protection?
Because it affects Stamet's behavior, which affects the plot. Because it tells Stamets things, which affects the plot. Because it gives Stamets powers, that affect the plot. The Mycelial Network has no rules. As such, Stamets will act in unpredictable and weird ways. This does not improve his character. In fact, it hinders his character as any development we see could be undone by the mysterious and spooky Mycelial Network. Right now, the spore drive or the Mycelial Network are putting midichlorians in Stamet's brain which enables him to make use of the Mycelial Network when he is not connected to the spore drive. Star Trek: Discovery would be much better off without these dramatic shenanigans. Make it just a machine that works on weird science. A fancy new engine. There is plenty of inter-personal drama to be had without adding the Force to Star Trek.
As for your Heisenberg compensator, the only time the inner workings of a transporter need to be examined is if it is used as a plot device rather than something that just takes our characters to a place for a story to happen. Like, say, it was used to cure a disease. Now we ask ourselves "why has no one thought of that before? why has no one done it since?". Why? Lazy writing and space magic. See how this is bad?
Which is exactly why it works as a literary device because we have not experienced it, and thus, don't know what its like, so we can say anything we want about it.
Also, Stamets didn't go crazy, he was noted to have become happier, and gained an ability to see through time loops, but that's about it.
There is no "literary" anything going on. Stamets just just acting weird. You interpret it to being "happier", but he clearly has mood swings and see stuff. There is even a scene where he walks away from his mirror and the reflection continues to look at the audience. What the heck is THAT?
Actually no, its a very good thing because if Trek actually stayed true to actual science, we wouldn't have had 99% of the content we have gotten, and Trek would have never made it past TOS. Technobable is good because it allows them to work around the hard limits of science and thus do more then is actually possible. Hell, if Trek followed actual science the entire Federation wouldn't work because the time dilation from moving at such faster-then-light speeds would have Picard arriving at Earth thousands of years after he left, every single time he went anywhere.
You are totally missing the point. There is a difference between "using fiction as a vehicle to enable story telling" and "using fiction to resolve a plot". The first half is an example of a genre, like science fiction. The second generally becomes a Deus Ex Machina. The writer cannot think of a way to solve the problem he/she created, so the brave crew bounce a particle beam off the main deflector dish and the Klingons explode. It's completely different from using a warp engine to travel to a planet to encounter aliens which are the focus of the plot.
They explain this also, its making his brain more like the Tartigrade, which, as we are shown, can spore even outside the drive.
Nothing about "changing his brain to be a Tartigrade" explains anything. Shouldn't the Tartigrade be immune to this sort of "tampering" by the Mycelial Network? For that matter, is it the network that is changing Stamet's brain or his "Tartigrade DNA Serum"? How can they tell the difference? How many things are TRIBBLE with this guy's head?
The more "answers" you come up with, the more questions it raises. Why can't they just leave all this nonsense at the door? Were they Star Trek: Voyager fans?
Several people have obviously never seen Star Trek but have a impression of it their heads filtered through rose tinted neurons.
Who? Who said that Star Trek: Discovery was the only flawed series? Currently, TRIBBLE has one season. So yes, it is entirely possible for the other series to have more well written episodes than TRIBBLE has simply by statistical laws.
It's really the only explanation for all the obvious lying, omissions, and hypocrisy that leads to their pathological dislike of that bloody bald Frenchman and his love boat of space hippies sorry black guy who dosn't even Trek anywhere and the whole show's about war and Roddenberry would be ashamed sorry psychopathic woman! and her crew of rip offs of TNG which we really like honest sorry again dude from Quantum Leap in a completely unnecessary prequel that ruins the finely honed continuity of TOS oops soulless reboot staring that Kirk guy from the series we're too young to have watch but still hold up as the pinnacle of everything except when it comes to continuity then we pretend it had some bugger it, last time, woman lead show that is destroying really important things to me of great personal importance that the entire 50 years of franchise depends upon like no holograms in the 23nd century.
Chill.
What lies? What omissions? What hypocrisies? Who is claiming there is a "perfect" story ANYWHERE in Star Trek?
Previous installments of Trek had bad writing. We can point out these flaws. Ignoring the SAME missteps in a new series continues those same writing issues. The stories will not improve if we just settle for re-hashing the same mistakes, only with a "grimmer, darker, more adult" paint job.
The Klingons in TRIBBLE were handled badly. Pointing out they have been handled poorly in other parts of Trek does not change the fact that they were handled poorly in Star Trek: Discovery.
What does that MEAN?! Is it like midichlorians? This sounds like midichlorians. The spore drive is becoming nonsense. How can the spore drive re-write his brain?How can the Mycelial Network re-write his brain? Space magic, I guess. Everything in TRIBBLE is space magic.
That's like asking HOW does the Heisenberg compensator work to make teleportation actually possible in Trek shows. It just does, Trek has constantly used technobable to explain stuff, without actually explaining it. Why is Discovery somehow exempt from this same protection?
We might not know how the Heisenberg compensator works, but we know what it does based on its name. The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle states that you can know the position or motion of a particle, but not both. The Heisenberg compensator simply makes it possible to know the position and motion of a particle. Since the transporter records each particle in an object, then invalidating the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle is a necessity.
ACTUALLY... the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is the most misquoted thing in science. The actual principle is that we don't IRL have scanning techniques capable of doing both. Why? because using photons to detect the positions of atoms causes the atoms to move. A good analogy is dribbling a basketball to detect the locations of loose balls on a basketball court. Sure, you can find them... but each time you move them.
Not sure if it is possible since scanning requires interaction with what is being scanned. Sure you can limit the amount of interaction by using tennis balls instead of basketballs, but they will still move.
What does that MEAN?! Is it like midichlorians? This sounds like midichlorians. The spore drive is becoming nonsense. How can the spore drive re-write his brain?How can the Mycelial Network re-write his brain? Space magic, I guess. Everything in TRIBBLE is space magic.
That's like asking HOW does the Heisenberg compensator work to make teleportation actually possible in Trek shows. It just does, Trek has constantly used technobable to explain stuff, without actually explaining it. Why is Discovery somehow exempt from this same protection?
We might not know how the Heisenberg compensator works, but we know what it does based on its name. The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle states that you can know the position or motion of a particle, but not both. The Heisenberg compensator simply makes it possible to know the position and motion of a particle. Since the transporter records each particle in an object, then invalidating the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle is a necessity.
ACTUALLY... the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is the most misquoted thing in science. The actual principle is that we don't IRL have scanning techniques capable of doing both. Why? because using photons to detect the positions of atoms causes the atoms to move. A good analogy is dribbling a basketball to detect the locations of loose balls on a basketball court. Sure, you can find them... but each time you move them.
Not sure if it is possible since scanning requires interaction with what is being scanned. Sure you can limit the amount of interaction by using tennis balls instead of basketballs, but they will still move.
In theory if you use particles which are massless.... but.. how would you detect those?
Yeah, it's a problem that hasn't been solved RW yet, but hey, neither has the creation of a working FTL drive....
It’s supposedly based on a scientists work And I thought that looked like an iconian too
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It would be the first time that Star Trek Online officially influenced a Star Trek series if that alien that Burnham sees at the beginning of the Season 2 trailer is an Iconian. Although considering that the alien's silhouette looks like an Iconian and signals all across the galaxy, then it is likely Iconians.
The Defiance TV series and MMO influenced each other and considering that STO and Discovery are following the same path with Discovery periodically influencing STO, then it makes sense for STO to influence Discovery. It would be interesting if any of the major npcs of STO make an appearance on Discovery, but I hope not. Having a STO npc on Discovery would make STO part of the Prime Universe instead of being in its own parallel universe where STO should be.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
According to the STO wiki: “Online takes place in what among Star Trek fans is called the "Prime Universe". This is the story continuity, which includes the events of all the Star Trek television series. The events of the "Kelvin Timeline" (as depicted in the 2009 Star Trek film) are part a separate timeline and have a minimal effect on the events of the game.”
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ACTUALLY... the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is the most misquoted thing in science. The actual principle is that we don't IRL have scanning techniques capable of doing both
I am afraid you got it wrong.
Historically, the uncertainty principle has been confused[5][6] with a somewhat similar effect in physics, called the observer effect, which notes that measurements of certain systems cannot be made without affecting the systems, that is, without changing something in a system. Heisenberg utilized such an observer effect at the quantum level (see below) as a physical "explanation" of quantum uncertainty.[7] It has since become clearer, however, that the uncertainty principle is inherent in the properties of all wave-like systems,[8] and that it arises in quantum mechanics simply due to the matter wave nature of all quantum objects. Thus, the uncertainty principle actually states a fundamental property of quantum systems and is not a statement about the observational success of current technology.[9] It must be emphasized that measurement does not mean only a process in which a physicist-observer takes part, but rather any interaction between classical and quantum objects regardless of any observer.[10][note 1]
ACTUALLY... the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is the most misquoted thing in science. The actual principle is that we don't IRL have scanning techniques capable of doing both
I am afraid you got it wrong.
Historically, the uncertainty principle has been confused[5][6] with a somewhat similar effect in physics, called the observer effect, which notes that measurements of certain systems cannot be made without affecting the systems, that is, without changing something in a system. Heisenberg utilized such an observer effect at the quantum level (see below) as a physical "explanation" of quantum uncertainty.[7] It has since become clearer, however, that the uncertainty principle is inherent in the properties of all wave-like systems,[8] and that it arises in quantum mechanics simply due to the matter wave nature of all quantum objects. Thus, the uncertainty principle actually states a fundamental property of quantum systems and is not a statement about the observational success of current technology.[9] It must be emphasized that measurement does not mean only a process in which a physicist-observer takes part, but rather any interaction between classical and quantum objects regardless of any observer.[10][note 1]
Not according to Heisenberg. Also that description you gave makes reference to the idea that it's possible for physical objects to exist in an "unresolved state". Yeah, Schrodinger's cat thought experiment was his way of explaining that he thought it was impossible for physical objects to exist in a state of superposition.
According to the STO wiki: “Online takes place in what among Star Trek fans is called the "Prime Universe". This is the story continuity, which includes the events of all the Star Trek television series. The events of the "Kelvin Timeline" (as depicted in the 2009 Star Trek film) are part a separate timeline and have a minimal effect on the events of the game.”
The Prime Universe is limited to any TV series or movies that take place after Nemesis unless the owners of the Star Trek IP personally decide that the events of STO take place after Nemesis instead of in a parallel universe. Only the Star Trek IP owner can dictate what is part of the Prime Universe.
Its in the STO timeline, which is a branch off of the prime timeline, much like the novelverse is a branch of the prime timeline.
The prime timeline ends with Romulus getting blown up, everything after that in the books and game is a branch.
Personally, I believe that the STO universe and the various novel universes are parallel universes that are extremely similar or identical to the Prime Universe before they diverged from the events of the Prime Universe like the 285,000 parallel universes shown in the Parallels episode and not branches of the prime timeline. I despise the idea of new universes being constantly created.
and where is this supposed 'iconian' in the trailer anyway?
In the season 2 trailer, near the beginning where Brunham is wearing an EV suit, we see her, then either a reflection in her visor or a fuzzy shot of a tall humanoid with what appears to be spines or wings on their back. No clear image of the unknown.
So... summary: I don't like the fact it isn't the original?
Because that's kinda what it boils down to through all that crossed out stuff.
Well mostly. Really it boils down to whichever show they grew up with which is how nostalgia works.
Though I had ENT when I was young and TKT got me into the franchise but DS9 is my series and the one I get nostalgic about so I suppose you can adopt a series as well.
Not everyone dislikes TRIBBLE for those reasons.
Some of us dislike it because it suffers from the same problems as STE.
Once again we are Blandly Going Where Star Trek has Gone Before, and that's the problem.
Many of us don't want prequels, we would like to see media that moves us PAST STV into the STO timeline and beyond.
If TRIBBLE were set in the 25th Century--even after STO---and it were a continuation (with the same cast of characters, even a descendant of Pike, and even have Michael Burnam as being a descendant of Spock: you know, the grandchild of say Spock and Uhura, that would be cool in my opinion), it would be a great show. But TRIBBLE is just treading over the same waters we sailed numerous times before, and that makes it go from what could be extraordinary to just plain uninteresting.
It still boils down to the issue of pretending Star Trek is now something it's never been. Addressing it alongside ENT (not STE, come on) for being a prequel mitigates the issue by at least acknowledging it's affected other parts of the franchise but it still doesn't cover what you're actually criticising.
As you claim 'Blandly Going Where Star Trek has Gone Before'. When did we see the Temporal Cold War before? The Xindi attack on earth, the Federation Klingon war? The origin of the smooth headed Klingons? There's very few tie-ins between material already covered and ENT, TKT, or DSC. They just all happen to be set in a similar time frame in the same way TNG, DS9, and VGR were.
Yes it is. Not a canon prime universe but their own that uses the canon one as its past. It's the same situation as the novels they are mostly set in a continuation of the shows without any alterations to the timeline that would create a parallel timeline.
Both STO and novels have series set in alternate timelines and universes (such as the KT or Mirror Universe) but their main body follows (independently to each other) on from the PT.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I think you are confusing “canon” with “Prime Universe”. STO can be in the Prime Universe and not be canon.
> @starkaos said: > khan5000 wrote: » > > According to the STO wiki: “Online takes place in what among Star Trek fans is called the "Prime Universe". This is the story continuity, which includes the events of all the Star Trek television series. The events of the "Kelvin Timeline" (as depicted in the 2009 Star Trek film) are part a separate timeline and have a minimal effect on the events of the game.” > > > > > The Prime Universe is limited to any TV series or movies that take place after Nemesis unless the owners of the Star Trek IP personally decide that the events of STO take place after Nemesis instead of in a parallel universe. Only the Star Trek IP owner can dictate what is part of the Prime Universe. > somtaawkhar wrote: » > > kabutotokugawa wrote: » > > Yes, STO is prime timeline I believe. > > > > Its in the STO timeline, which is a branch off of the prime timeline, much like the novelverse is a branch of the prime timeline. > > The prime timeline ends with Romulus getting blown up, everything after that in the books and game is a branch. > > > > > > Personally, I believe that the STO universe and the various novel universes are parallel universes that are extremely similar or identical to the Prime Universe before they diverged from the events of the Prime Universe like the 285,000 parallel universes shown in the Parallels episode and not branches of the prime timeline. I despise the idea of new universes being constantly created.
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We didn't need to see any of that as a post-ST:TOS history. The history of Star Trek prior to ST:TOS was already good enough for many fans.
Really? And which fans are these? The ones born before or after the 90s? How are you defining 'most'? How many now out of print books are you hoping to shift to equal the viewing figures of ENT, TKT, and DSC? Who are you flogging them to? And it's TOS.
What people wanted was a a post-STV show (and we still don't have that yet).
Which people? And we have three post TUC (as I assume you mean post ST:VI and not post ST:V) they're The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager.
The origin of the Mongolian looking Klingons was originally said to be genetic fusion of Klingon and Human used to infiltrate the Federation (FASA source material licensed by Paramount).
How many readers did that have? Was it objectively the draw of ENT? Is it owned by CBS or just Paramount? And why, using longer posts, is it a superior story to ENT?
We didn't need to see the "Temporal Cold War" set in a pre-ST:TOS show. In fact, we didn't need STE at all.
Really? Who's we? Why didn't 'we' need to see it? Are you the arbiter of what is necessary in entertainment? What's is your cut off date for arbitrary decisions over who gets to see what? And you mean TOS and ENT.
It USED to be the lowest rated Star Trek show until TRIBBLE came out, now that has elevated STE to second place from the bottom.
You realise DSC (which is what you mean by TRIBBLE I assume) is one series old right? And that the decision was made to cancel ENT (which you mistakenly call STE) prior to the retool that raised its viewing figures and that TOS was also cancelled prematurely.
If CBS wanted to do the 4-years war, they should have gone to the source material that created the damn story: FASA.
Which Paramount owns according to you. And no they shouldn't. They have no reason to. They only and have only ever treated the TV series and films as canon, why would they suddenly care about a game book from another company?
That's what Alec Peters (an IP Thief) did and he made a fine product that was aesthetically correct (pity he was/is such an a-hole).
Wow, something objectively correct. However you've stuck in the word correct where what you meant to say was 'that I personally liked' as that era hasn't appeared in canon and thus has no aesthetic at all (until DSC where we can now see what that aesthetic was all along).
If he could do it, why couldn't CBS? Outside of the copyright issues with Paramount (and those do exist), there is no good reason and so many of us will not buy this product. It is as simple as that. Money talks, BS walks as the saying goes.
I'm sure your lack of support will bring CBS to their knees. Series 3 of DSC will dutifully repannel itself in primary coloured cardboard and all the costumes will be tailored from curtains and all the plots will revert to simplistic storytelling with hammy acting. I can really see you winning this. Only a couple more new Klingon toys to not buy and the whole CBS empire falls to its knees and makes series 4 of TOS for you.
Good luck with that one Dreckker.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Chill.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Because that's kinda what it boils down to through all that crossed out stuff.
We might not know how the Heisenberg compensator works, but we know what it does based on its name. The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle states that you can know the position or motion of a particle, but not both. The Heisenberg compensator simply makes it possible to know the position and motion of a particle. Since the transporter records each particle in an object, then invalidating the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle is a necessity.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
As for your Heisenberg compensator, the only time the inner workings of a transporter need to be examined is if it is used as a plot device rather than something that just takes our characters to a place for a story to happen. Like, say, it was used to cure a disease. Now we ask ourselves "why has no one thought of that before? why has no one done it since?". Why? Lazy writing and space magic. See how this is bad?
There is no "literary" anything going on. Stamets just just acting weird. You interpret it to being "happier", but he clearly has mood swings and see stuff. There is even a scene where he walks away from his mirror and the reflection continues to look at the audience. What the heck is THAT?
You are totally missing the point. There is a difference between "using fiction as a vehicle to enable story telling" and "using fiction to resolve a plot". The first half is an example of a genre, like science fiction. The second generally becomes a Deus Ex Machina. The writer cannot think of a way to solve the problem he/she created, so the brave crew bounce a particle beam off the main deflector dish and the Klingons explode. It's completely different from using a warp engine to travel to a planet to encounter aliens which are the focus of the plot.
Nothing about "changing his brain to be a Tartigrade" explains anything. Shouldn't the Tartigrade be immune to this sort of "tampering" by the Mycelial Network? For that matter, is it the network that is changing Stamet's brain or his "Tartigrade DNA Serum"? How can they tell the difference? How many things are TRIBBLE with this guy's head?
The more "answers" you come up with, the more questions it raises. Why can't they just leave all this nonsense at the door? Were they Star Trek: Voyager fans?
Previous installments of Trek had bad writing. We can point out these flaws. Ignoring the SAME missteps in a new series continues those same writing issues. The stories will not improve if we just settle for re-hashing the same mistakes, only with a "grimmer, darker, more adult" paint job.
The Klingons in TRIBBLE were handled badly. Pointing out they have been handled poorly in other parts of Trek does not change the fact that they were handled poorly in Star Trek: Discovery.
Not sure if it is possible since scanning requires interaction with what is being scanned. Sure you can limit the amount of interaction by using tennis balls instead of basketballs, but they will still move.
Yeah, it's a problem that hasn't been solved RW yet, but hey, neither has the creation of a working FTL drive....
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And I thought that looked like an iconian too
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The Defiance TV series and MMO influenced each other and considering that STO and Discovery are following the same path with Discovery periodically influencing STO, then it makes sense for STO to influence Discovery. It would be interesting if any of the major npcs of STO make an appearance on Discovery, but I hope not. Having a STO npc on Discovery would make STO part of the Prime Universe instead of being in its own parallel universe where STO should be.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
and where is this supposed 'iconian' in the trailer anyway?
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
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The Prime Universe is limited to any TV series or movies that take place after Nemesis unless the owners of the Star Trek IP personally decide that the events of STO take place after Nemesis instead of in a parallel universe. Only the Star Trek IP owner can dictate what is part of the Prime Universe.
Personally, I believe that the STO universe and the various novel universes are parallel universes that are extremely similar or identical to the Prime Universe before they diverged from the events of the Prime Universe like the 285,000 parallel universes shown in the Parallels episode and not branches of the prime timeline. I despise the idea of new universes being constantly created.
My character Tsin'xing
In the season 2 trailer, near the beginning where Brunham is wearing an EV suit, we see her, then either a reflection in her visor or a fuzzy shot of a tall humanoid with what appears to be spines or wings on their back. No clear image of the unknown.
About 18 seconds or so in is when we see it.
Well mostly. Really it boils down to whichever show they grew up with which is how nostalgia works.
Though I had ENT when I was young and TKT got me into the franchise but DS9 is my series and the one I get nostalgic about so I suppose you can adopt a series as well.
It still boils down to the issue of pretending Star Trek is now something it's never been. Addressing it alongside ENT (not STE, come on) for being a prequel mitigates the issue by at least acknowledging it's affected other parts of the franchise but it still doesn't cover what you're actually criticising.
As you claim 'Blandly Going Where Star Trek has Gone Before'. When did we see the Temporal Cold War before? The Xindi attack on earth, the Federation Klingon war? The origin of the smooth headed Klingons? There's very few tie-ins between material already covered and ENT, TKT, or DSC. They just all happen to be set in a similar time frame in the same way TNG, DS9, and VGR were.
All telling different stories.
Yes it is. Not a canon prime universe but their own that uses the canon one as its past. It's the same situation as the novels they are mostly set in a continuation of the shows without any alterations to the timeline that would create a parallel timeline.
Both STO and novels have series set in alternate timelines and universes (such as the KT or Mirror Universe) but their main body follows (independently to each other) on from the PT.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Really? And which fans are these? The ones born before or after the 90s? How are you defining 'most'? How many now out of print books are you hoping to shift to equal the viewing figures of ENT, TKT, and DSC? Who are you flogging them to? And it's TOS.
Which people? And we have three post TUC (as I assume you mean post ST:VI and not post ST:V) they're The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager.
How many readers did that have? Was it objectively the draw of ENT? Is it owned by CBS or just Paramount? And why, using longer posts, is it a superior story to ENT?
Really? Who's we? Why didn't 'we' need to see it? Are you the arbiter of what is necessary in entertainment? What's is your cut off date for arbitrary decisions over who gets to see what? And you mean TOS and ENT.
You realise DSC (which is what you mean by TRIBBLE I assume) is one series old right? And that the decision was made to cancel ENT (which you mistakenly call STE) prior to the retool that raised its viewing figures and that TOS was also cancelled prematurely.
Which Paramount owns according to you. And no they shouldn't. They have no reason to. They only and have only ever treated the TV series and films as canon, why would they suddenly care about a game book from another company?
Wow, something objectively correct. However you've stuck in the word correct where what you meant to say was 'that I personally liked' as that era hasn't appeared in canon and thus has no aesthetic at all (until DSC where we can now see what that aesthetic was all along).
I'm sure your lack of support will bring CBS to their knees. Series 3 of DSC will dutifully repannel itself in primary coloured cardboard and all the costumes will be tailored from curtains and all the plots will revert to simplistic storytelling with hammy acting. I can really see you winning this. Only a couple more new Klingon toys to not buy and the whole CBS empire falls to its knees and makes series 4 of TOS for you.
Good luck with that one Dreckker.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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