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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Well, regardless of what anyone here thinks of it, Discovery took third place in this Top 10 most wanted shows in the US.
    Link?

    Star Trek:Discovery has not trended on social media for several weeks. I'm curious to know what methods they used to determine "most wanted" if most people are not talking about it.
  • theboxisredtheboxisred Member Posts: 472 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Well, regardless of what anyone here thinks of it, Discovery took third place in this Top 10 most wanted shows in the US.
    Link?

    Star Trek:Discovery has not trended on social media for several weeks. I'm curious to know what methods they used to determine "most wanted" if most people are not talking about it.

    Well, if it's Rotten Tomatoes...

    Honestly if it's any type of Entertainment Journalism it's methods must be called into question.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Well, regardless of what anyone here thinks of it, Discovery took third place in this Top 10 most wanted shows in the US.

    I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying something I don't. Lots of people love American Idol and the Voice, but those shows aren't for me and the fact that a lot of people watch them doesn't indicate quality to me.

    That said, I will reiterate that I am enjoying S2 a lot. Pike is as good as it gets and the annoying characters are getting less annoying for the most part.

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  • theboxisredtheboxisred Member Posts: 472 Arc User
    I agree. What others like is not up to me. I'm more on about how Entertainment Journalism seems to be for sale.

    I, too, like Mount in the role. The only issue I have is that, as captain, he should not let subordinates steamroll him. It's one thing to welcome the input, quite another to interrupt.

    I do hope we get to know some of the bridge crew better. S2 has been a bit better about that and I hope they go further.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    I do hope we get to know some of the bridge crew better. S2 has been a bit better about that and I hope they go further.
    I'm not sure you should ask for more character development. It appears to be hazardous to a character's health.
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    Kobayashi Maru
    redvenge wrote: »
    I do hope we get to know some of the bridge crew better. S2 has been a bit better about that and I hope they go further.
    I'm not sure you should ask for more character development. It appears to be hazardous to a character's health.

    Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

    "Oh hey, they're giving the cyborg some development. Wow, I'm actually starting to sympathise and relate to-- wait! What?! No, why--?! Why did you blast her out the airlock? She was just getting good!"

    Otherwise known as: the Enterprise Season 4 effect.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    ryan218 wrote: »
    "Oh hey, they're giving the cyborg some development. Wow, I'm actually starting to sympathise and relate to-- wait! What?! No, why--?! Why did you blast her out the airlock? She was just getting good!"
    Don't worry. She'll get resurrected by the mycelial network. If not, just raise a stink on Twitter until the writers agree to bring her back.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    Ugh. I don't want to see Burnham as a Captain. Martin-Green is just not good at acting, at least not in tjis role. I really don't enjoy her screen time...
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    Apparently the end of this season is going to be pretty significant as far as explaining how discovery fits in with established canon and the future:

    Interviewer: Let’s talk about canon, if Patrick Stewart as Picard on his new show pulls up his computer, will all the events we have seen on Star Trek: [Discovery]…

    Alex: You are asking me a very sneaky question right now, and I’m not going to answer it. I know what you are doing, and tell you what, I will answer it for you at the end of the season. Is that fair? I don’t want to ruin it.

    https://trekmovie.com/2019/03/26/interview-alex-kurtzman-on-future-of-star-trek-discovery-section-31-lower-decks-and-more/

    We are entirely aware of everyone’s questions and criticisms; I’ve read everything, and I see where everyone’s like, ‘Well, the spore drive never existed!’ and ‘What, Discovery was never around!’ and all of those things, we’re totally aware. You will get an answer.

    I think that the last few episodes will really close the circle for people. If we’ve done our job, what was on the page … I haven’t seen them yet, but what was on the page in the scripts, closes the circle; it answers the questions that are lingering and remaining for people of how we fit in. And I believe very strongly that it will leave people satisfied. … As someone who cares about continuity, to some degree, I was like, ‘If this doesn’t make people happy, I don’t know what else we can do.’

    https://trekmovie.com/2019/03/26/kurtzman-you-will-get-an-answer-to-your-questions-in-the-star-trek-discovery-season-2-finale/

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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
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    > @artan42 said:
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    > DSC. No other series is prefixed with the initials ST so there's no reason to do so for DSC, and look stupid to boot as your edgy acronym is censored.

    I like Star Trek Discovery, but seriously have a sense of humour about the acronym, it's funny, not edgy .
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
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    > @angrytarg said:
    > Ugh. I don't want to see Burnham as a Captain. Martin-Green is just not good at acting, at least not in tjis role. I really don't enjoy her screen time...

    I would have agreed with you for much of season one but her acting and emotional has been some of the best I have ever seen in Star Trek for season 2.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    lordgyor wrote: »
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    I like Star Trek Discovery, but seriously have a sense of humour about the acronym, it's funny, not edgy .

    It's lazy criticism and dismissal. Same as naming the Kelvin Timeline trilogy after the director of only two thirds of it.

    It is not done for any of the other series so any abbreviations used other than the official ones (or MAs version using VOY and DIS) are used out of ignorance or edginess.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    It's lazy criticism and dismissal. Same as naming the Kelvin Timeline trilogy after the director of only two thirds of it.

    It is not done for any of the other series so any abbreviations used other than the official ones (or MAs version using VOY and DIS) are used out of ignorance or edginess.

    Yes, it's silly. It's also silly to let something so minor upset you. (not you specifically, but anyone who IS upset by it).

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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
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    > I like Star Trek Discovery, but seriously have a sense of humour about the acronym, it's funny, not edgy .
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    > It's lazy criticism and dismissal. Same as naming the Kelvin Timeline trilogy after the director of only two thirds of it.
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    > It is not done for any of the other series so any abbreviations used other than the official ones (or MAs version using VOY and DIS) are used out of ignorance or edginess.

    Did miss the part where I said I liked Discovery, I already like Season 2 of Discovery more then I liked the first half of any Star Trek series except for DS9, the greatest TV show in Television history.

    I'm not a hater, but funny is funny. I know its not how the aconym is supposed, but when you her the words Star Trek Discovery, its what pops into the mind.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    lordgyor wrote: »
    > @angrytarg said:
    > Ugh. I don't want to see Burnham as a Captain. Martin-Green is just not good at acting, at least not in tjis role. I really don't enjoy her screen time...

    I would have agreed with you for much of season one but her acting and emotional has been some of the best I have ever seen in Star Trek for season 2.

    Your opinion may very well differ, that's okay. I find her still terrible, she's overacting in all the bad ways of Shatner, but with none of the redeeming qualities in my opinion. Her blank staring, the head tilting, her "on the verge of tears" face. I really, really can not even pig-2.gif​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    lordgyor wrote: »
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    > I like Star Trek Discovery, but seriously have a sense of humour about the acronym, it's funny, not edgy .
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    > It's lazy criticism and dismissal. Same as naming the Kelvin Timeline trilogy after the director of only two thirds of it.
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    > It is not done for any of the other series so any abbreviations used other than the official ones (or MAs version using VOY and DIS) are used out of ignorance or edginess.

    Did miss the part where I said I liked Discovery, I already like Season 2 of Discovery more then I liked the first half of any Star Trek series except for DS9, the greatest TV show in Television history.

    I'm not a hater, but funny is funny. I know its not how the aconym is supposed, but when you her the words Star Trek Discovery, its what pops into the mind.

    Did you miss the part where I never mentioned your views on the show at all?​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,667 Arc User
    Red Alert
    redvenge wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Well, regardless of what anyone here thinks of it, Discovery took third place in this Top 10 most wanted shows in the US.
    Link?

    Star Trek:Discovery has not trended on social media for several weeks. I'm curious to know what methods they used to determine "most wanted" if most people are not talking about it.

    Well, if it's Rotten Tomatoes...

    Honestly if it's any type of Entertainment Journalism it's methods must be called into question.

    Could care less about Rotten Tomatoes.
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,667 Arc User
    Red Alert
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Ugh. I don't want to see Burnham as a Captain. Martin-Green is just not good at acting, at least not in tjis role. I really don't enjoy her screen time...

    Wonder how they gonna make her save the universe when in the captain's chair.

    I remember a YT comment that fit perfectly:

    How does Michael Burnham change a lightbulb?

    She holds up the bulb, stands still, and the universe revolves around her. >_>
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  • theboxisredtheboxisred Member Posts: 472 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Well, regardless of what anyone here thinks of it, Discovery took third place in this Top 10 most wanted shows in the US.
    Link?

    Star Trek:Discovery has not trended on social media for several weeks. I'm curious to know what methods they used to determine "most wanted" if most people are not talking about it.

    Well, if it's Rotten Tomatoes...

    Honestly if it's any type of Entertainment Journalism it's methods must be called into question.

    Could care less about Rotten Tomatoes.

    How much less?
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Wonder how they gonna make her save the universe when in the captain's chair.

    I remember a YT comment that fit perfectly:

    How does Michael Burnham change a lightbulb?

    She holds up the bulb, stands still, and the universe revolves around her. >_>

    You can replace Burnham in this with just about any central Star Trek character and come to the same conclusion.

    But there needs to be 2 Kirks or 3 Picards for that joke to work in their case.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    The creators behind Star Trek: Discovery have made significant efforts to remake Trek into something "fresh and modern". Ketwolski has an impartial and indepth analysis of the differences in camera shots, editing and even direction:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGi8j_slU_E
    However, it seems ST:D is moving away from "traditional Trek" and into "generic action". Many viewers and posters have noted similarities between the current season of Star Trek: Discovery and the Terminator movies. The issue is not just concepts and story beats being used; it is also camera shots and editing. You can see it here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt56W-FSWS8
    I recall watching a Red Letter Media episode of Half in the Bag where the hosts, Mike and Jay, comment on how "all Hollywood trailers are cut and edited to be nearly identical in presentation". This kind of laziness and inability to rise above other media is bringing down not only Star Trek: Discovery, but many shows and movies.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,667 Arc User
    Red Alert
    redvenge wrote: »
    The creators behind Star Trek: Discovery have made significant efforts to remake Trek into something "fresh and modern". Ketwolski has an impartial and indepth analysis of the differences in camera shots, editing and even direction:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGi8j_slU_E
    However, it seems ST:D is moving away from "traditional Trek" and into "generic action". Many viewers and posters have noted similarities between the current season of Star Trek: Discovery and the Terminator movies. The issue is not just concepts and story beats being used; it is also camera shots and editing. You can see it here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt56W-FSWS8
    I recall watching a Red Letter Media episode of Half in the Bag where the hosts, Mike and Jay, comment on how "all Hollywood trailers are cut and edited to be nearly identical in presentation". This kind of laziness and inability to rise above other media is bringing down not only Star Trek: Discovery, but many shows and movies.

    Hollywood in general is like this, now....they look at fans as liabilities and go "TRIBBLE 'em!" rather than than respect them.

    I remember Mark Hamill talking about this, that they seem to not give a damn about the fans anymore.
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-season-3-time-travel-future-theory/amp/

    A theory that season 3 of Discovery is going to be in the future. It's a really solid arguement and interesting. Makes me look forward to the final episodes even more.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
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    > @reyan01 said:
    > Read a mildly interesting theory on FB regarding Season 3.
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    > Again - it was only a theory, but the site that posted it speculated that at least some of S3 could take place in the future, probably via spore drive + time crystal.
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    > I guess it isn't impossible. Interestingly they didn't make reference to 'Calypso', which is ironic since it would probably support their theory.

    You ninja'd me.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    Discovery would work so well as being Star Trek: Sliders since the Spore Drive is not limited to their own universe. If the Spore Drive was capable of time travel like it indicated in that Season 1 episode where they returned from the Mirror Universe, then there is no need for a time crystal. Just have Stamets plot a course for the future or a parallel universe and leave the sphere data there. Personally, I think that Discovery didn't return to their original universe, but a parallel universe that is 9 months ahead of their own since there is no indication that the Mycellial Network has anything to do with time travel.
  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    Kobayashi Maru
    I still like the show better than VOY and ENT.

    They're not scared to introduce new stuff while still keeping previous canon in mind. That's good.
    Some stuff is a little too over-the-top but that's simply the current state of "television". Not everything is for the fans, but that's okay if it doesn't go completely overboard.

    At first mention of that red-angel I raised an eye-brow too. However, it turned out to be actually cool. Over-the-top, but fine.

    Section-31 is basically the only thing I found to be the wrong choice for a "villain". Sure they would exist by that time, but they would not openly show themselves like that. But well, general audiences might not get it and are used to that "intrigues and conspiracies are everywhere" from other modern shows.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    garaks31 wrote: »

    Timeline was never broken. DSC had nothing to fix.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    garaks31 wrote: »

    Timeline was never broken. DSC had nothing to fix.

    So Discovery didn't need to stop Control from grabbing the sphere data to stop a timeline where all or almost all life in the galaxy was destroyed?
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