US Navy SEALs wear a chest insignia when in uniform. When they go on missions where they don’t want to be identified they take them off. I see Section 31 being like that. They’ll have the black badges on while in uniform but off when doing missions where they don’t want to be identified
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DSC writing talents have a real sense tontake the most terrible aspects of canon and hype them to be the main focus. S31 - boy we haven't completely garbled the secret agent to death enough. Do more! It also resonates with the more conservatively minded audience.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
They probably confuse SI and S31 again, like ENT did.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
They probably confuse SI and S31 again, like ENT did.
How did ENT confuse SI and S31? The precursor to Section 31 kidnapped Phlox while the Starfleet Intelligence agent just reprogrammed her universal communicator. The only real difference between Stafleet Intelligence and Section 31 is that Section 31 believes in the end justifies the means.
Awesomesauce. This is a goldmine of good information.
When I first saw the TRIBBLE Enterprise, I thought "Why? Why can you not be your own thing, your own story? Why MUST you have endless (pointless) references to "Trek" icons, instead of just telling your own story?". Also, they have to make it BIGGER AND BETTERER!!! because, reasons.
For the Enterprise, we based it initially off of The Original Series. We were really drawing a lot of our materials from that. And then we particularly went to more of the Star Trek movies, which is a little bit fatter, a little bit bigger. Overall, I think we expanded the length of it to be within the world of our Discovery, which is bigger, so we did cheat it as a larger ship.
...There were a lot of conversations and more emails than I could remember about how the design would evolve and sort of match our universe, and that is how we sort of arrived where we are now.
Alex Kurtzman said in a recent interview that "the challenge our writers face going into season two, is coming up with a reason for the Enterprise to be in our show going forward".
It's blatantly obvious that the Enterprise was fan service. Just like tribbles, gorn, Cardassian Voles, Harry Mudd, etc. TRIBBLE advertised itself as "breaking the mold", yet it refuses to let go and become it's own thing. Being "more like established Trek" is NOT going to win over old fans (since the creators of TRIBBLE have absolutely no intention of improving their story telling). If they try to re-invent themselves for Season Two, they will just destroy the fans they have created. They are better served keeping their bleak and cheerless outlook than ham-fistedly making their universe cheerful or optimistic.
I like the potential of this, but like I've said earlier, I'm concerned that this writing team won't be able to deliver... especially if they are using Season One as a proof-of-concept.
I liked TrekMovie's reaction to Season One as a whole, since they brought up the point that this team was driving someone else's vision (namely, Bryan Fuller). No matter how good these writers may be, the driving force behind the overarching vision was gone, so they had to "go it alone." I don't think they stuck the landing at all, and maybe it's not fair to expect them to do so.
Still, I'm a little more gun-shy about this team having the nuance needed to tackle this subject adequately. As with the war story, I can't help but think that Deep Space Nine did this already, and did it better.
I'd suggest it's probably appropriate to worry that, as bad as it was, Season 1 might be the high water mark for Discovery.
And yet despite professing to hate it so much, somehow I believe you'll be right at the very front of the line watching every single episode of seasons 2, 3, 4 and beyond...
I'm actually considering just waiting to see if it shows up in the bargain-bin at Walmart, actually. gave 'em 13 tries, (one for each episode) and for what it's worth, there was no improvement. put into perspective, now, "Earth 2" had a couple of good episodes, 'Quark' from the seventies did too, (as a friend reminded me by bringing home one from the bargain bin at bestbuy), and SGU's writing improved significantly in the space of their first season (though not enough to warrant binge viewing), Babylon 5's atrocious 5th season did some interesting stuff, but disco's been a parade of facepalm. (Hell, The Starlost had more good episodes than Disco.)
Hell, look at Kurtzmann's own comments; they're not bringing in Enterprise to serve the story, they're warping the story for the fanservice of bringing in the Enterprise. If that isn't a warning sign about bankruptcy in the writing room, after what they already put out? My point is, they can't claim "innovation" and they can't claim "Quality", they can't claim creativity and they have to leverage nostalgia-because there's nothing 'there' except cheap references to a collection of better shows.
And they had to bring Kurtzmann in as a major writer. To be fair, that alone should raise alarms.
(As much as I like Discovery, I'm not going to pretend there aren't serious issues in their writing department - Terran's are sensitive to light? Since when?)
could've also been them messing around with augmentation, and the light-sensitivity was a side effect...which, while not especially pleasant, is still better than what happened to the klingons in OUR universe
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
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It stemmed from the fact that the DS9 and ENT mirror universe episodes generally had darker lighting compared to the normal prime episodes. OFC, it was done in those episodes as a mood thing, to show how its "different" from the normal universe by making everything literally "darker" to reflect the darker aspects of the MU.
Discovery just created an in-universe explanation for it.
The thing is that in DS9 it had nothing to do with it being the Mirror Universe! We see normal lighting levels tons (Mirror Defiant, Resistance Base, several luxury suites on Terok Nor...) and the dark atmosphere on the station is comparable with that seen in episodes set during the Cardassian Occupation, suggesting it's more to do with the station's use as a materials processing facility.
could've also been them messing around with augmentation, and the light-sensitivity was a side effect...which, while not especially pleasant, is still better than what happened to the klingons in OUR universe
I remember reading a TNG novel where their method of discerning if people were from the Mirror universe was to scan for a specific kind of neural damage caused by Agonizer use. It doesn't REALLY tell you what universe they're from, just whether they've ever had an Agonizer used on them. BUT, 1: it's rather easy to program tricorders to do, 2: it hints that Agonizers have social implications that go beyond merely being unpleasant. Maybe it's more like torturing someone by pouring boiling water on them than we first thought? Perhaps getting agonized changes your senses each time, and light sensitivity is one of the more common symptoms?
Well I think it was established in ENT that the Terran Empire has lower safety standards than Starfleet does, with a scene commenting about engineering crews generally suffering from radiation exposure. I wouldn't doubt that members of the Empire would have various health and genetic abnormalities.
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As for the long stated belief that Star Trek fans are stupid and will buy anything with the brand, didn't Enterprise's failure already disprove that notion?
I'm not entirely sure half of these really count as references...
(Also, they left out that Narendra III was originally introduced by TNG's 'Yesterday's Enterprise' as the colony which was attacked by the Romulans where the Enterprise-C was destroyed and which cemented the Federation-Klingon Alliance. /nerdhat)
I like the potential of this, but like I've said earlier, I'm concerned that this writing team won't be able to deliver... especially if they are using Season One as a proof-of-concept.
You mean... MORE of Burnham's trite, fan-fic level backstory? Do we find out her dad was murdered by the Klingons because he designed the super laser of the Death Star (or some other Trek technology because fanservice)? Or maybe he was murdered by the Federation and the Klingons were blamed to cover up a dark secret! Kurtzman needs to bring back Orsi. I need MORE 911 Truther-inspired writing in my Trek!
Why isn't the beautiful actress she not wearing some overly sexualized pseudo-uniform? What kind of Star Trek is that?
Or is Star Trek maybe for the transhumanist that are into this kind of stuff?
Mustrum "Jellico was the best thing that happened to the Enterprise, damnit" Ridcully
Had a disturbing thought about Airiam. What if she is the Star Trek version of the Cybermen. Hot alien babe inside of a cold metallic exterior or she could be a human trapped in a cold metallic exterior. The eyes certainly look human and it is extremely doubtful that an alien can evolve to look artificial. So either she is an Android, Cyborg, or Cyberman.
> @mustrumridcully0 said: > garaks31 wrote: » > > > > > > > Why isn't the beautiful actress she not wearing some overly sexualized pseudo-uniform? What kind of Star Trek is that? > > Or is Star Trek maybe for the transhumanist that are into this kind of stuff? > > > Mustrum "Jellico was the best thing that happened to the Enterprise, damnit" Ridcully
I know this is intended as a joke, but honestly I wish she was, I had no idea the actual actress was so lovely and I make no apology for that. Nothing wrong with sex appeal, it's fun.
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I know this is intended as a joke, but honestly I wish she was, I had no idea the actual actress was so lovely and I make no apology for that. Nothing wrong with sex appeal, it's fun.
Maybe she will undergo the same treatment as Jeri Ryan with Seven of Nine. Looks weird in her first appearances and looks hot later on.
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How did ENT confuse SI and S31? The precursor to Section 31 kidnapped Phlox while the Starfleet Intelligence agent just reprogrammed her universal communicator. The only real difference between Stafleet Intelligence and Section 31 is that Section 31 believes in the end justifies the means.
When I first saw the TRIBBLE Enterprise, I thought "Why? Why can you not be your own thing, your own story? Why MUST you have endless (pointless) references to "Trek" icons, instead of just telling your own story?". Also, they have to make it BIGGER AND BETTERER!!! because, reasons.
Alex Kurtzman said in a recent interview that "the challenge our writers face going into season two, is coming up with a reason for the Enterprise to be in our show going forward".
It's blatantly obvious that the Enterprise was fan service. Just like tribbles, gorn, Cardassian Voles, Harry Mudd, etc. TRIBBLE advertised itself as "breaking the mold", yet it refuses to let go and become it's own thing. Being "more like established Trek" is NOT going to win over old fans (since the creators of TRIBBLE have absolutely no intention of improving their story telling). If they try to re-invent themselves for Season Two, they will just destroy the fans they have created. They are better served keeping their bleak and cheerless outlook than ham-fistedly making their universe cheerful or optimistic.
I like the potential of this, but like I've said earlier, I'm concerned that this writing team won't be able to deliver... especially if they are using Season One as a proof-of-concept.
I liked TrekMovie's reaction to Season One as a whole, since they brought up the point that this team was driving someone else's vision (namely, Bryan Fuller). No matter how good these writers may be, the driving force behind the overarching vision was gone, so they had to "go it alone." I don't think they stuck the landing at all, and maybe it's not fair to expect them to do so.
Still, I'm a little more gun-shy about this team having the nuance needed to tackle this subject adequately. As with the war story, I can't help but think that Deep Space Nine did this already, and did it better.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/03/wondercon-star-trek-discovery-interview-roundup/
Or is Star Trek maybe for the transhumanist that are into this kind of stuff?
Mustrum "Jellico was the best thing that happened to the Enterprise, damnit" Ridcully
And they had to bring Kurtzmann in as a major writer. To be fair, that alone should raise alarms.
(As much as I like Discovery, I'm not going to pretend there aren't serious issues in their writing department - Terran's are sensitive to light? Since when?)
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
The thing is that in DS9 it had nothing to do with it being the Mirror Universe! We see normal lighting levels tons (Mirror Defiant, Resistance Base, several luxury suites on Terok Nor...) and the dark atmosphere on the station is comparable with that seen in episodes set during the Cardassian Occupation, suggesting it's more to do with the station's use as a materials processing facility.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
My character Tsin'xing
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As for the long stated belief that Star Trek fans are stupid and will buy anything with the brand, didn't Enterprise's failure already disprove that notion?
https://trekmovie.com/2018/03/31/alan-van-sprang-teases-his-section-31-role-in-star-trek-discovery-season-2/
I'm not entirely sure half of these really count as references...
(Also, they left out that Narendra III was originally introduced by TNG's 'Yesterday's Enterprise' as the colony which was attacked by the Romulans where the Enterprise-C was destroyed and which cemented the Federation-Klingon Alliance. /nerdhat)
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
Had a disturbing thought about Airiam. What if she is the Star Trek version of the Cybermen. Hot alien babe inside of a cold metallic exterior or she could be a human trapped in a cold metallic exterior. The eyes certainly look human and it is extremely doubtful that an alien can evolve to look artificial. So either she is an Android, Cyborg, or Cyberman.
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> Mustrum "Jellico was the best thing that happened to the Enterprise, damnit" Ridcully
I know this is intended as a joke, but honestly I wish she was, I had no idea the actual actress was so lovely and I make no apology for that. Nothing wrong with sex appeal, it's fun.
Maybe she will undergo the same treatment as Jeri Ryan with Seven of Nine. Looks weird in her first appearances and looks hot later on.