> @starkaos said: > lordgyor wrote: » > > > mustrumridcully0 said: > > garaks31 wrote: » > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why isn't the beautiful actress she not wearing some overly sexualized pseudo-uniform? What kind of Star Trek is that? > > > > Or is Star Trek maybe for the transhumanist that are into this kind of stuff? > > > > > > Mustrum "Jellico was the best thing that happened to the Enterprise, damnit" Ridcully > > I know this is intended as a joke, but honestly I wish she was, I had no idea the actual actress was so lovely and I make no apology for that. Nothing wrong with sex appeal, it's fun. > > > > > Maybe she will undergo the same treatment as Jeri Ryan with Seven of Nine. Looks weird in her first appearances and looks hot later on.
Here is hoping. I looked her up, I'm actually very familiar with her work on Murdock Mysteries, she played Lilly, Dr. Grace's TRIBBLE love interest. Murdock is an awesome show and she played the character very well, but I couldn't stand the character. The acting was great, I just didn't like her personality. Talented actress, as much as I didn't like the character she seemed like a very real person you could know.
For those of you who haven't heard of the Murdock Mysteries I highly recommend it, great show.
I kind of wonder how Discovery will handle the concept of transhumanism, traditionally Trek has been against the idea. However times change and the idea of engineering a better breed of person is fashionable again among certain circles. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one day the writers of a future Trek reboot has Khan's side win the augment war against the dirty primitives who stood in the way of progress.
DS9 tried to have an actual adult conversation showing both sides of the argument, but I kind of doubt modern Hollywood would do anything but take a sledgehammer to it... lord knows the Trek novels haven't been able to pull off this discussion. (glares at Typhon Pact miniseries)
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Section 31, Captain Pike, more on the Discovery crew, more of Burnham's background. Expect Michelle Yeoh to play a role once more (i predicted this was the case before season 1 aired that there will be elements of Burnham's past coming into play).
Season 2 is looking promising from all the hints so far.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
> @lordrezeon said: > I kind of wonder how Discovery will handle the concept of transhumanism, traditionally Trek has been against the idea. However times change and the idea of engineering a better breed of person is fashionable again among certain circles. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one day the writers of a future Trek reboot has Khan's side win the augment war against the dirty primitives who stood in the way of progress. > > DS9 tried to have an actual adult conversation showing both sides of the argument, but I kind of doubt modern Hollywood would do anything but take a sledgehammer to it... lord knows the Trek novels haven't been able to pull off this discussion. (glares at Typhon Pact miniseries)
It censored the word L-E-S-B-I-A-N, seriously, who runs the filters here Pat Robinson and Billy Graham?
That issue here I personally still think is highly offensive, yet nobody at PWE ever commented on it. Sure, the "profanity" filter is on vanilla, but it's PWE's forum. And unless they think a part of their own customers are worth censoring they should do something about this.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Season 2 is looking promising from all the hints so far.
Season one had plenty of ideas. It was hamstrung by hack writers and no leadership on the writing team. Nothing has changed going into Season two. They are going to double down on vapid fanservice to the detriment of their characters (again). There are going to be "twists" and "mysteries" because that is why the audience "comes back for more".
I kind of wonder how Discovery will handle the concept of transhumanism, traditionally Trek has been against the idea. However times change and the idea of engineering a better breed of person is fashionable again among certain circles. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one day the writers of a future Trek reboot has Khan's side win the augment war against the dirty primitives who stood in the way of progress.
DS9 tried to have an actual adult conversation showing both sides of the argument, but I kind of doubt modern Hollywood would do anything but take a sledgehammer to it... lord knows the Trek novels haven't been able to pull off this discussion. (glares at Typhon Pact miniseries)
Each episode that has dealt with the idea has had a different spin on it. Sometimes it's treated as tantamount to "playing god". others... medicine. Episodes sometimes go in crazy directions with it and show it to simultaneously be good and horrible.
Like the TNG ep with Barclay's Protomorphosis syndrome. Crusher was like "all I need to do is use a harmless virus to reactivate a dormant gene." Then the Enterprise was almost destroyed.... Imagine if that had been on a colony world and became a planet-wide pandemic? O_o'
Then there's the season 2 ep where Pulaski has to figure out why the super-augments on that one Federation colony are accidentally killing normals. Well.... they'd been engineered to have superhuman immune systems and the person who did it was an overambitious idiot. This caused their immune systems to extend outside their bodies. The idea was to eradicate diseases from their environment.... but good luck getting an automatic immune response to tell the difference between diseases and non-augments.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Finally one can steer a shuttle through the nacelle pylons. That really irked me and really strained my suspension of disbelief for the stupid 60s tech.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Finally one can steer a shuttle through the nacelle pylons. That really irked me and really strained my suspension of disbelief for the stupid 60s tech.
Holes in your pylons are like racing stripes. They make you go faster.
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Ah, that's why you get faster and faster the more torpedoes hit you!
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Finally one can steer a shuttle through the nacelle pylons. That really irked me and really strained my suspension of disbelief for the stupid 60s tech.
What is it about holes in structures that annoys people so? Crossfield and Dreadnought saucers and now the conni pylons. Oddly enough the complaints usually come from people making silly excuses for the visually implied structural weakness of the flimsy thin little pylons and neck of the TOS Conni.
Stop using your ape brain Targ .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
> What is it about holes in structures that annoys people so? Crossfield and Dreadnought saucers and now the conni pylons. Oddly enough the complaints usually come from people making silly excuses for the visually implied structural weakness of the flimsy thin little pylons and neck of the TOS Conni. > > Stop using your ape brain Targ .
I don't think I got ape in my heritage (although that would be kinky!), but my pig brain is wired to love soft round shapes
Structural integrity sure isn't goingvto improve by cutting holes in things, except of course excellent piloting makes enemy shots go through those.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
What I personally think about the ending of DIS' season one and the to-be-expected tie-in to season two...
Including the Enterprise at all is a risky fan-service, as it will probably overshadow the actual lead-cast/ship because it's the frikkin Enterprise. It was unnecessary to have her appear in DIS, and while fanboys will go full masturbo about it, DIS will struggle even more to have its own identity. They already have too many ties to previous canon in an attempt to appeal to long-time fans where DIS doesn't really have to.
What I personally think about the ending of DIS' season one and the to-be-expected tie-in to season two...
Including the Enterprise at all is a risky fan-service, as it will probably overshadow the actual lead-cast/ship because it's the frikkin Enterprise. It was unnecessary to have her appear in DIS, and while fanboys will go full masturbo about it, DIS will struggle even more to have its own identity. They already have too many ties to previous canon in an attempt to appeal to long-time fans where DIS doesn't really have to.
Yes, I agree. DSC has literally no business going the "prequel" route as the entirety of the story would have worked even better in the 25th century, unencumbered by previous canon which they didn't want to "respect" anyway. It was a really unnecessary move.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
What I personally think about the ending of DIS' season one and the to-be-expected tie-in to season two...
Including the Enterprise at all is a risky fan-service, as it will probably overshadow the actual lead-cast/ship because it's the frikkin Enterprise. It was unnecessary to have her appear in DIS, and while fanboys will go full masturbo about it, DIS will struggle even more to have its own identity. They already have too many ties to previous canon in an attempt to appeal to long-time fans where DIS doesn't really have to.
Yes, I agree. DSC has literally no business going the "prequel" route as the entirety of the story would have worked even better in the 25th century, unencumbered by previous canon which they didn't want to "respect" anyway. It was a really unnecessary move.
Personally I don't care much about the prequel-fact. I do agree however that the "everything old is new"-trope is getting tiresome.
My concern is just that DIS will not succeed in finding its own identity. Even as a prequel the show and its characters simply don't need to have so many DIRECT connections to famous characters that are around at the timeframe.
In my opinion, while they did this jump back from the mirror-universe they DID have the opportunity to just have Discovery end up in the 31st century or something, setting up a whole new timeframe for season two. It'd have been interesting and the writers would have gotten just SO MUCH freedom to do whatever they want.
They would have checked some 31st-century library about themselves and the end of the federation-klingon war and would have been like "Discovery was reported MIA, but eventually Starfleet developed better strategies and ultimately got into a stalemate with the klingons that resulted in a cold war that later was mediated by a race called the Organians."
From that point on the writers could have done anything they want and even the fan-atics would shut up.
As for character-development we'd have a nice role-reversal too, between Burnham and Saru. As Saru would probably stay in the captain's chair, he would now take the responsibility and Burnham would take a backstep like Saru ALWAYS had to under Georgiou.
They could have discovered that the federation is actually not aging well, has grown into an openly self-sufficient dystopia rather than the utopia it pretended to be in the beginning, and it would lead to more actual drama.
The gaps in the Enterprises nacelle pylons seem to be borrowing from an early draft of the NX-01 that had been rejected for looking to much like the NCC-1701 Enterprise.
Trekyards did an interview with Doug Drexler where they talked about the design process of the NX-01, it is actually pretty interesting.
Apparently they had to change it legally: “Back in April of 2017 the task of the Enterprise making an appearance came to be and work was to start right away,” Eaves says. “The task started with the guideline that the Enterprise for Discovery had to be 25% different otherwise production would have most likely been able to use the original design from the 60's but that couldn't happen so we took Jefferies original concepts and with great care tried to be as faithful as possible. We had the advantage of a ten-year gap in Trek history to retro the ship a bit with elements that could be removed and replaced somewhere in the time frame of Discovery and the Original series.”
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
also:
“After Enterprise, properties of Star Trek ownership changed hands and was divided, so what was able to cross TV shows up to that point changed and a lot of the crossover was no longer allowed,” Eaves says. “That is why when JJ [Abrams]'s movie came along everything had to be different. The alternate universe concept was what really made that movie happen in a way as to not cross the new boundaries and give Trek a new footing to continue.”
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
> What is it about holes in structures that annoys people so? Crossfield and Dreadnought saucers and now the conni pylons. Oddly enough the complaints usually come from people making silly excuses for the visually implied structural weakness of the flimsy thin little pylons and neck of the TOS Conni.
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> Stop using your ape brain Targ .
I don't think I got ape in my heritage (although that would be kinky!), but my pig brain is wired to love soft round shapes
Structural integrity sure isn't goingvto improve by cutting holes in things, except of course excellent piloting makes enemy shots go through those.
Except structural integrity is managed by SIF generators not by the structure itself.
also:
“After Enterprise, properties of Star Trek ownership changed hands and was divided, so what was able to cross TV shows up to that point changed and a lot of the crossover was no longer allowed,” Eaves says. “That is why when JJ [Abrams]'s movie came along everything had to be different. The alternate universe concept was what really made that movie happen in a way as to not cross the new boundaries and give Trek a new footing to continue.”
I think what this is trying to say is that there's some sort of restrictions in place to keep each TV show separate for whatever reason. So DSC cannot use visuals directly from previous series.
The only reason I can think of was that this was a rule created to prevent Paramount from using visuals from previous Trek and that it caught DSC out by extension and they needed the Enterprise finished for the series finale before they could ask CBS what the hell they were smoking.
I know CBS had the power to prevent JJ from making the KT a reboot and overwriting existing material and fiddling with merchandising ensuring he made it an alternate timeline, so I wonder if this rule is an extension of that.
We had the advantage of a ten-year gap in Trek history to retro the ship a bit with elements that could be removed and replaced somewhere in the time frame of Discovery and the Original series.”
I like this. They're clearly upset about having to redesign it and would rather not have, but coincide that having it in the story and having to retcon the Cage version is more important than it not being there. It also shows they're not just thoughtlessly redesigning stuff to be modern. It also shows they'll probably leave out things that they think would be too important to change.
I wonder if this hypothetical idea of the future Prime TNG crew appearing in a KT film would also fall foul of these crossover restrictions as actors are visuals. Though it seems names aren't restricted as BEY had lots of ENT references in. Though, saying that it had a photo of the the Prime TOS crew from TUC in it as well so maybe actors and costumes are as allowed as names.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The link I provided also has a link to John Eaves FB post and follow up questions. Going by his answers it seems like the rights to Star Trek may be more fractured than we thought. If they had to make the Enterprise 25% different than the original that may mean someone else owns the rights to the original ship. Without knowing what the contracts say they could allow for references but not using the same visuals. This could explain why the ships look different and could be why the Klingons and other races look different. Discovery can use the name Klingon but not make them look like anything that’s already been shown.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
The link I provided also has a link to John Eaves FB post and follow up questions. Going by his answers it seems like the rights to Star Trek may be more fractured than we thought. If they had to make the Enterprise 25% different than the original that may mean someone else owns the rights to the original ship.
Without knowing what the contracts say they could allow for references but not using the same visuals. This could explain why the ships look different and could be why the Klingons and other races look different. Discovery can use the name Klingon but not make them look like anything that’s already been shown.
Well we already know CBS owns the TOS Conni as it was in DS9 and ENT. I think it's clear any perceived 'fracturing' is a recent thing (i.e. post ENT) and not a pre-existing thing.
And we also know that the producers made the Klingons different because they wanted to. After all the Vulcans are still the same as are the Orions, Trill, Andorians, and Tellarites (well the last two have barely noticable extra ridges and tusks). They've faced a hell of a lot of b\tching and whining complaints from basement dwelling, change resistant fanbois fans over killing Gene Roddenberry and all his family simply elongating Klingons skulls and removing their hair that if they could have taken the easy way out with just saying 'CBS said we had to' they would have done.
The only split seems to be what Paramount can use but it reads like CBS created an 'IP protection' thingy to keep the KT visually different that affected DSC inadvertently. It clearly doesn't affect races in the KT either as Klingons, Romulans, Orions, and Vulcans all look identical to previous series.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Eaves and his co designer mentioned that something happened after Enterprise with the rights
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
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> Maybe she will undergo the same treatment as Jeri Ryan with Seven of Nine. Looks weird in her first appearances and looks hot later on.
Here is hoping. I looked her up, I'm actually very familiar with her work on Murdock Mysteries, she played Lilly, Dr. Grace's TRIBBLE love interest. Murdock is an awesome show and she played the character very well, but I couldn't stand the character. The acting was great, I just didn't like her personality. Talented actress, as much as I didn't like the character she seemed like a very real person you could know.
For those of you who haven't heard of the Murdock Mysteries I highly recommend it, great show.
DS9 tried to have an actual adult conversation showing both sides of the argument, but I kind of doubt modern Hollywood would do anything but take a sledgehammer to it... lord knows the Trek novels haven't been able to pull off this discussion. (glares at Typhon Pact miniseries)
https://www.google.com/amp/variety.com/2018/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-season-2-captain-pike-anson-mount-1202743293/amp/
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Season 2 is looking promising from all the hints so far.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
> I kind of wonder how Discovery will handle the concept of transhumanism, traditionally Trek has been against the idea. However times change and the idea of engineering a better breed of person is fashionable again among certain circles. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one day the writers of a future Trek reboot has Khan's side win the augment war against the dirty primitives who stood in the way of progress.
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> DS9 tried to have an actual adult conversation showing both sides of the argument, but I kind of doubt modern Hollywood would do anything but take a sledgehammer to it... lord knows the Trek novels haven't been able to pull off this discussion. (glares at Typhon Pact miniseries)
I'd be among that circle, I support transhumanism, a process in many ways that has alread> @garaks31 said:
> Anson Mount Cast As STAR TREK: DISCOVERY’s Captain Pike
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> http://www.treknews.net/2018/04/09/anson-mount-cast-star-trek-discovery-pike/
If the suggestion that Pike might be the next Captain of Discovery is true. Then we now know who is the new Captain of Discovery.
That issue here I personally still think is highly offensive, yet nobody at PWE ever commented on it. Sure, the "profanity" filter is on vanilla, but it's PWE's forum. And unless they think a part of their own customers are worth censoring they should do something about this.
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Like the TNG ep with Barclay's Protomorphosis syndrome. Crusher was like "all I need to do is use a harmless virus to reactivate a dormant gene." Then the Enterprise was almost destroyed.... Imagine if that had been on a colony world and became a planet-wide pandemic? O_o'
Then there's the season 2 ep where Pulaski has to figure out why the super-augments on that one Federation colony are accidentally killing normals. Well.... they'd been engineered to have superhuman immune systems and the person who did it was an overambitious idiot. This caused their immune systems to extend outside their bodies. The idea was to eradicate diseases from their environment.... but good luck getting an automatic immune response to tell the difference between diseases and non-augments.
My character Tsin'xing
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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What is it about holes in structures that annoys people so? Crossfield and Dreadnought saucers and now the conni pylons. Oddly enough the complaints usually come from people making silly excuses for the visually implied structural weakness of the flimsy thin little pylons and neck of the TOS Conni.
Stop using your ape brain Targ
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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> What is it about holes in structures that annoys people so? Crossfield and Dreadnought saucers and now the conni pylons. Oddly enough the complaints usually come from people making silly excuses for the visually implied structural weakness of the flimsy thin little pylons and neck of the TOS Conni.
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> Stop using your ape brain Targ .
I don't think I got ape in my heritage (although that would be kinky!), but my pig brain is wired to love soft round shapes
Structural integrity sure isn't goingvto improve by cutting holes in things, except of course excellent piloting makes enemy shots go through those.
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Including the Enterprise at all is a risky fan-service, as it will probably overshadow the actual lead-cast/ship because it's the frikkin Enterprise. It was unnecessary to have her appear in DIS, and while fanboys will go full masturbo about it, DIS will struggle even more to have its own identity. They already have too many ties to previous canon in an attempt to appeal to long-time fans where DIS doesn't really have to.
Yes, I agree. DSC has literally no business going the "prequel" route as the entirety of the story would have worked even better in the 25th century, unencumbered by previous canon which they didn't want to "respect" anyway. It was a really unnecessary move.
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Personally I don't care much about the prequel-fact. I do agree however that the "everything old is new"-trope is getting tiresome.
My concern is just that DIS will not succeed in finding its own identity. Even as a prequel the show and its characters simply don't need to have so many DIRECT connections to famous characters that are around at the timeframe.
In my opinion, while they did this jump back from the mirror-universe they DID have the opportunity to just have Discovery end up in the 31st century or something, setting up a whole new timeframe for season two. It'd have been interesting and the writers would have gotten just SO MUCH freedom to do whatever they want.
They would have checked some 31st-century library about themselves and the end of the federation-klingon war and would have been like "Discovery was reported MIA, but eventually Starfleet developed better strategies and ultimately got into a stalemate with the klingons that resulted in a cold war that later was mediated by a race called the Organians."
From that point on the writers could have done anything they want and even the fan-atics would shut up.
As for character-development we'd have a nice role-reversal too, between Burnham and Saru. As Saru would probably stay in the captain's chair, he would now take the responsibility and Burnham would take a backstep like Saru ALWAYS had to under Georgiou.
They could have discovered that the federation is actually not aging well, has grown into an openly self-sufficient dystopia rather than the utopia it pretended to be in the beginning, and it would lead to more actual drama.
Like "THIS is what we've been trying to protect?"
Trekyards did an interview with Doug Drexler where they talked about the design process of the NX-01, it is actually pretty interesting.
(the design I'm referring to appears at around 5:45)
Apparently they had to change it legally: “Back in April of 2017 the task of the Enterprise making an appearance came to be and work was to start right away,” Eaves says. “The task started with the guideline that the Enterprise for Discovery had to be 25% different otherwise production would have most likely been able to use the original design from the 60's but that couldn't happen so we took Jefferies original concepts and with great care tried to be as faithful as possible. We had the advantage of a ten-year gap in Trek history to retro the ship a bit with elements that could be removed and replaced somewhere in the time frame of Discovery and the Original series.”
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“After Enterprise, properties of Star Trek ownership changed hands and was divided, so what was able to cross TV shows up to that point changed and a lot of the crossover was no longer allowed,” Eaves says. “That is why when JJ [Abrams]'s movie came along everything had to be different. The alternate universe concept was what really made that movie happen in a way as to not cross the new boundaries and give Trek a new footing to continue.”
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Except structural integrity is managed by SIF generators not by the structure itself.
I think what this is trying to say is that there's some sort of restrictions in place to keep each TV show separate for whatever reason. So DSC cannot use visuals directly from previous series.
The only reason I can think of was that this was a rule created to prevent Paramount from using visuals from previous Trek and that it caught DSC out by extension and they needed the Enterprise finished for the series finale before they could ask CBS what the hell they were smoking.
I know CBS had the power to prevent JJ from making the KT a reboot and overwriting existing material and fiddling with merchandising ensuring he made it an alternate timeline, so I wonder if this rule is an extension of that.
I like this. They're clearly upset about having to redesign it and would rather not have, but coincide that having it in the story and having to retcon the Cage version is more important than it not being there. It also shows they're not just thoughtlessly redesigning stuff to be modern. It also shows they'll probably leave out things that they think would be too important to change.
I wonder if this hypothetical idea of the future Prime TNG crew appearing in a KT film would also fall foul of these crossover restrictions as actors are visuals. Though it seems names aren't restricted as BEY had lots of ENT references in. Though, saying that it had a photo of the the Prime TOS crew from TUC in it as well so maybe actors and costumes are as allowed as names.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Without knowing what the contracts say they could allow for references but not using the same visuals. This could explain why the ships look different and could be why the Klingons and other races look different. Discovery can use the name Klingon but not make them look like anything that’s already been shown.
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Well we already know CBS owns the TOS Conni as it was in DS9 and ENT. I think it's clear any perceived 'fracturing' is a recent thing (i.e. post ENT) and not a pre-existing thing.
And we also know that the producers made the Klingons different because they wanted to. After all the Vulcans are still the same as are the Orions, Trill, Andorians, and Tellarites (well the last two have barely noticable extra ridges and tusks). They've faced a hell of a lot of b\tching and whining complaints from basement dwelling, change resistant fanbois fans over killing Gene Roddenberry and all his family simply elongating Klingons skulls and removing their hair that if they could have taken the easy way out with just saying 'CBS said we had to' they would have done.
The only split seems to be what Paramount can use but it reads like CBS created an 'IP protection' thingy to keep the KT visually different that affected DSC inadvertently. It clearly doesn't affect races in the KT either as Klingons, Romulans, Orions, and Vulcans all look identical to previous series.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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