You can call it Nova or Rhodes Island to soften the blow..
That's just a low blow.
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5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
Uh....you;'re the guy who came on here ranting about how the new ship didn't fit your requirements.
No offense but don't come in here ranting and raving and refusing to accept other people's opinions and advice if you can't take it.
5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
Truth be told it was inevitable since the original post demonstrated a lack of understanding of science game play and your insistence that you were more knowledgeable than everyone else only added fuel to the fire.
The moderators may as well keep the topic open since it is thanksgiving and everyone deserves a good hearty belly laugh now and then.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
Wow...just wow. We don't agree so we're trolls after calmly explaining why you are wrong?
The amount of entitled stupidity in this statement is FRIGHTENING.
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Yes, op please stop being so close minded and learn that not everything will work how you want it to work or that it only revolves around your needs- @ambassadorkael#6946@jodarkrider
Interesting. So basically disagreeing with someone is trolling and flaming?
Oh dear
Pretty much yeah. I was trying my best to be nice to the OP, but it's a lost cause. I'm going to get called a troll anyway.. so fine.. OP you are a terrible player with no idea what you're talking about.
5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
If you can't handle the truth, then that's just you. The fact is your complaint about these SCI Vessels being a problem due to the amount of TAC Console Slots shows how much you do not understand Science Builds.
The fact is for a real Science Build, those TAC Console Slots are places to stuff more consoles to enhance the appropriate Science Skillboxes.
As I said before earlier in the thread, if weapons performance were more important to you than science, then picking a ship with minimal tactical BOFF ability slots, 6 weapon slots is the worst possible route you can take. Honestly, you were looking for a ship with Tactical ability FIRST and Science playing second fiddle to it.
You were better off looking for an Escort with LtCmdr SCI capability, 5 TAC Consoles and possibly 2, 3 or even 4 SCI Console Slots. Those exist like the Ferengi Nandi, Pilot Escort (SCI variant), T6 Prometheus, etc.
None of us should be allowed to moderate our own threads, thats just a bad idea.
Agreed. Asking to stay on topic is the most we can do for our own threads, and... technically... this thread has been on topic. Just not in the way the OP likes and probably wishes he could delete everything that doesn't agree with him.
The fact is this is an open discussion on the subject, and the OP doesn't like the fact no one is agreeing with the OP's belief on the subject.
When i saw the announcement of the 3 new Science Ships i was like, YESSSSS Finaly T6 Science Ships for Romulans and KDF, sooo going to buy the full Bundle, BUT......now i just saw the Stats and GONE is all the excitement, seriously WTH? and i thought all new Ships are now somewhat Balanced when it comes to the Layout, but 2/TWO Tac Consoles?! And the Fleet one gets another ENG Slot? Sorry but THE HELL is this? This is the reason why i and so many others DONT touch any ship that has less than 3 Tac Console Slots with a 10 Meters Stick!
The Boff layout is ok BUT the Console Layout should be like this: 3 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and Fleet Version get's another ENG Slot OR at least 2 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and the Fleet Version get's another TAC Console and NOT yet another ENG Console! by all rights EVEN a Sci ship needs a little more OMPH for the Weapons than THIS!
Several Fleeties were allready talking about those ships when they saw the announcement, and i know that they switched out of other ships with less than 3 Tac Consoles, so their reactions should be similar
After People have waited for SO LONG for a T6 Science Ship for Roms and KDFs you finaly make them BUT with SUCH a layout? Thats like yet another Slap in the Face.......... CRYPTIC PLEASE, consider those changes so those ships look more attractive to more than just "some" People.
Either 3 Tac Consoles out of the box, or a third Tac Console with the Fleet Version, and so many People would love to buy them, including me, so PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
The thing to remember is that tone doesn't carry over text unless you make a special effort, and that leads to misunderstandings. (tone here=friendly reminder)
Much of the passion here may be attributed to an escalation of misunderstandings. I don't think anyone came here looking for a fight. Why not change this thread title to something less inflammatory ( friendly suggestion) mark it as 'question answered' and start a new thread for polite discussion after the Holiday? Take a day to cool down. (friendly suggestion)
If you would like a different layout, I am sure a new thread with a topic like 'Next ideal cross faction Sci layout, discussion' would work out fine. People will always disagree. It is more painful to feel like you are standing alone defending valid a valid point, and that nobody seems to be listening. (sympathy) Listening is however a two way street. (inserting a friendly reality check).
On the next thread try to keep it going as a discussion, where nobody has to be right, or wrong, but is simply declaring a preference, and maybe why they have that point of view. (meant to be helpful)
The tone stuff in (-) is not meant to be snarky (sincerity), even if it may come across that way. you seem to be pretty upset, and I am just trying to avoid aggravating that.
I don't know what is going on in your life. You may not even be upset about this thread as much as you are about something else.
This time of year is always bittersweet for me. I hope you don't mind if I tell you why?
My Mother was in poor health. Her Doctors weren't evil, but mistakes got made. She was given a sodium reducing prescription, and then nearly died from to low of sodium, to name one. I ended up moving in, because her express wish was to be in her home till she died, and someone had to watch out for her. It took a lot of time from friends, other family, and most recreation.
So I got some family and friends to play STO . I ended up grinding for an hours, and checking on Mom. If she was awake, I'd sit and visit while she ate. I'd go to work, and come 'home', and that is where I spent all my time. That is why I am here today, however everything changes.
My Mother died three years ago on Thanksgiving day. Everyone was off work that day, and so everyone but my aunt could get to the hospital in time. When the Doctors made the call that it was a lost cause we got to fill that room up with family, and Mom was not alone. She lived in her home to the last day. I am so very thankful that she did not die on 'black friday'. Then, she would have been alone.
So maybe you are emotional about something besides the layout of the ships, and it is only coming out here. I know I'm emotional right now. Three years ago I went straight back to grinding because it was something I could do, and this bunch of 'trolls' has weirdly enough become a part of my online family. I'd ask you to not judge them to harshly. We all get worked up.
I want you to start a new thread, and if you do, I promise to give it some thought, and make a comment on my preferences.
And can't even manage to gracefully disengage. Not "please close thread" Just have to try to get the last word in with "please close thread because they're all trolls." Guess what? ANY moderator will see that not what's happened.
When i saw the announcement of the 3 new Science Ships i was like, YESSSSS Finaly T6 Science Ships for Romulans and KDF, sooo going to buy the full Bundle, BUT......now i just saw the Stats and GONE is all the excitement, seriously WTH? and i thought all new Ships are now somewhat Balanced when it comes to the Layout, but 2/TWO Tac Consoles?! And the Fleet one gets another ENG Slot? Sorry but THE HELL is this? This is the reason why i and so many others DONT touch any ship that has less than 3 Tac Console Slots with a 10 Meters Stick!
The Boff layout is ok BUT the Console Layout should be like this: 3 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and Fleet Version get's another ENG Slot OR at least 2 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and the Fleet Version get's another TAC Console and NOT yet another ENG Console! by all rights EVEN a Sci ship needs a little more OMPH for the Weapons than THIS!
Several Fleeties were allready talking about those ships when they saw the announcement, and i know that they switched out of other ships with less than 3 Tac Consoles, so their reactions should be similar
After People have waited for SO LONG for a T6 Science Ship for Roms and KDFs you finaly make them BUT with SUCH a layout? Thats like yet another Slap in the Face.......... CRYPTIC PLEASE, consider those changes so those ships look more attractive to more than just "some" People.
Either 3 Tac Consoles out of the box, or a third Tac Console with the Fleet Version, and so many People would love to buy them, including me, so PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
Its no surprise really they treat the roms and kdf like the redheaded step child they didnt want.
And can't even manage to gracefully disengage. Not "please close thread" Just have to try to get the last word in with "please close thread because they're all trolls." Guess what? ANY moderator will see that not what's happened.
Dude. Rank up your DIGNITY.
I have a feeling this isn't about us so much. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. I guess because I feel like it today.
I don't believe this thread is as useless as the OP believes, I was gleaning some nice Sci related info. Everything is coming up Science, lately...have to get a grasp on it, eventually.
Just ignore the arguing over Tac consoles and DPS and understand what the folks with experience with flying Sci ships are saying.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
When i saw the announcement of the 3 new Science Ships i was like, YESSSSS Finaly T6 Science Ships for Romulans and KDF, sooo going to buy the full Bundle, BUT......now i just saw the Stats and GONE is all the excitement, seriously WTH? and i thought all new Ships are now somewhat Balanced when it comes to the Layout, but 2/TWO Tac Consoles?! And the Fleet one gets another ENG Slot? Sorry but THE HELL is this? This is the reason why i and so many others DONT touch any ship that has less than 3 Tac Console Slots with a 10 Meters Stick!
The Boff layout is ok BUT the Console Layout should be like this: 3 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and Fleet Version get's another ENG Slot OR at least 2 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and the Fleet Version get's another TAC Console and NOT yet another ENG Console! by all rights EVEN a Sci ship needs a little more OMPH for the Weapons than THIS!
Several Fleeties were allready talking about those ships when they saw the announcement, and i know that they switched out of other ships with less than 3 Tac Consoles, so their reactions should be similar
After People have waited for SO LONG for a T6 Science Ship for Roms and KDFs you finaly make them BUT with SUCH a layout? Thats like yet another Slap in the Face.......... CRYPTIC PLEASE, consider those changes so those ships look more attractive to more than just "some" People.
Either 3 Tac Consoles out of the box, or a third Tac Console with the Fleet Version, and so many People would love to buy them, including me, so PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
The thing to remember is that tone doesn't carry over text unless you make a special effort, and that leads to misunderstandings. (tone here=friendly reminder)
Much of the passion here may be attributed to an escalation of misunderstandings. I don't think anyone came here looking for a fight. Why not change this thread title to something less inflammatory ( friendly suggestion) mark it as 'question answered' and start a new thread for polite discussion after the Holiday? Take a day to cool down. (friendly suggestion)
If you would like a different layout, I am sure a new thread with a topic like 'Next ideal cross faction Sci layout, discussion' would work out fine. People will always disagree. It is more painful to feel like you are standing alone defending valid a valid point, and that nobody seems to be listening. (sympathy) Listening is however a two way street. (inserting a friendly reality check).
On the next thread try to keep it going as a discussion, where nobody has to be right, or wrong, but is simply declaring a preference, and maybe why they have that point of view. (meant to be helpful)
The tone stuff in (-) is not meant to be snarky (sincerity), even if it may come across that way. you seem to be pretty upset, and I am just trying to avoid aggravating that.
I don't know what is going on in your life. You may not even be upset about this thread as much as you are about something else.
This time of year is always bittersweet for me. I hope you don't mind if I tell you why?
My Mother was in poor health. Her Doctors weren't evil, but mistakes got made. She was given a sodium reducing prescription, and then nearly died from to low of sodium, to name one. I ended up moving in, because her express wish was to be in her home till she died, and someone had to watch out for her. It took a lot of time from friends, other family, and most recreation.
So I got some family and friends to play STO . I ended up grinding for an hours, and checking on Mom. If she was awake, I'd sit and visit while she ate. I'd go to work, and come 'home', and that is where I spent all my time. That is why I am here today, however everything changes.
My Mother died three years ago on Thanksgiving day. Everyone was off work that day, and so everyone but my aunt could get to the hospital in time. When the Doctors made the call that it was a lost cause we got to fill that room up with family, and Mom was not alone. She lived in her home to the last day. I am so very thankful that she did not die on 'black friday'. Then, she would have been alone.
So maybe you are emotional about something besides the layout of the ships, and it is only coming out here. I know I'm emotional right now. Three years ago I went straight back to grinding because it was something I could do, and this bunch of 'trolls' has weirdly enough become a part of my online family. I'd ask you to not judge them to harshly. We all get worked up.
I want you to start a new thread, and if you do, I promise to give it some thought, and make a comment on my preferences.
Meanwhile, have Happy Thanksgiving.
Qapla'!
Well, first of all iam really sorry about your mom, i hope time healed up your wounds, second, your gues is not wrong, much negative things going on on my life, divorce and not seeing my 2 little girls for over 2 years now is nagging on ones "health and Sanity bar". So i gues, my patience level is therefore very low so i heat up pretty quickly, but that does not change the fact that some, NOT ALL, but some here do like to troll and flame, lets be honest, and those i know from other thraeds to where they also were fueling the heat, now they are here too, and its just annoying as hell having to deal with such people, i never said that my oppinion is THE oppinion that rules them all, its just my oppinion, no one has to like it, and no one is forced to comment on it, but entering the thread just to personaly attack me like " you dont deserve to fly a science ship if you dont know how" or "someone pvp that guy so we can feast on his tears (or something like that)" "learn how to play" and yada yada yada, is all UNNECESERY and yea it leads to a also unnecesery Fight.
Iam not a bad guy, maybe a little stuborn in his beliefs, most definately troubled from life, but some people here are prime examples for trolls and flamers, the rest may not agree but at least they dont start to be personal, and thats the difference.
Most comments were on topic and related to science ships / builds.
If you feel that there were trolling comments in this thread as well, then I advice you to ignore those comments and focus on the useful advice and hints that have been given. There have been plenty and by focussing on that you could have steered this discussion in a more positive direction as well: it's something that goes both ways.
Starting a thread also means you have the responsibility not to see anything that might slightly differ from your own opinion immediately as trolling and if there is such a thing present, to avoid it becoming dominant. I assume that's why you argued in favor of moderating our own threads; but you may want to try a different approach since it's (fortunately) not possible.
Instead of wishing to remove comments, add more positive and acknowledging ones of useful advice next time, it might help you.
Good luck to all of you with your real life issues.
So what are the existing Science ships with three or more Tac consoles, and how would you outfit them so that having those particular flavors of console is significant? There aren't that many tac-specific consoles people pine for, so I'm guessing we're talking Vulnerability Locators and maybe something very specific with the Multi-Conduit Energy Relay (Phaser & Disruptor damage; Photon damage; Radiation damage), the Harmonic Resonance Relay (Disruptor damage; Transphasic damage; Armor penetration) or the Chronometic Capacitor (Polaron Damage; Weapon Power; EPG; Torpedo Weapon Damage). But each of those is pretty much self-contained, so you wouldn't necessarily need two more slots to go with it...
I know the Paradox allows triple Tac consoles, and with 4/3 weapon slots I've even tried it out as something more akin to a beam boat with some angry black magic up it's sleeve, but the scarcity of Tac seating really capped its performance and eventually I moved on to a rainbow of AOE torpedoes (which in turn let me focus my power distribution on exceptionally lethal black magic).
5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
One can, and in fact should, moderate their own thread. Keep in mind, this is only possible until you actually post the thread.
This thread could have benefitted from a bit of self-moderation, IMHO.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
One can, and in fact should, moderate their own thread. Keep in mind, this is only possible until you actually post the thread.
This thread could have benefitted from a bit of self-moderation, IMHO.
Well the OP should of been the first one to toe that line with the "all of you are trolls since you don't agree with me."
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So what are the existing Science ships with three or more Tac consoles, and how would you outfit them so that having those particular flavors of console is significant? There aren't that many tac-specific consoles people pine for, so I'm guessing we're talking Vulnerability Locators and maybe something very specific with the Multi-Conduit Energy Relay (Phaser & Disruptor damage; Photon damage; Radiation damage), the Harmonic Resonance Relay (Disruptor damage; Transphasic damage; Armor penetration) or the Chronometic Capacitor (Polaron Damage; Weapon Power; EPG; Torpedo Weapon Damage). But each of those is pretty much self-contained, so you wouldn't necessarily need two more slots to go with it...
I know the Paradox allows triple Tac consoles, and with 4/3 weapon slots I've even tried it out as something more akin to a beam boat with some angry black magic up it's sleeve, but the scarcity of Tac seating really capped its performance and eventually I moved on to a rainbow of AOE torpedoes (which in turn let me focus my power distribution on exceptionally lethal black magic).
I don't think there are any other tactical consoles that could be relevant for a specialised science build like the one you are describing.
There may be some things that provide a small bonus besides the three you've listed (of which I would consider the Chronometric capacitor the most relevant one) but ultimately I think this is about it.
If you ignore universal consoles of course. Taking those into account means there's a lot more options... otherwise I would say this is it.
5 Pages full with comments aber how wrong, how a bad player, how bla bla bla iam, some more nice, some totally trolls, YEP thats the reason why one should stay away from the forums, cause its pure poison, thanks to people like you (not everyone) its a shame, that one cannot moderate his own thread, seriously.
One can, and in fact should, moderate their own thread. Keep in mind, this is only possible until you actually post the thread.
This thread could have benefitted from a bit of self-moderation, IMHO.
Well the OP should of been the first one to toe that line with the "all of you are trolls since you don't agree with me."
Yep, kinda my point. If the OP had moderated the thread before they posted it, this would have been a different thread.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
When i saw the announcement of the 3 new Science Ships i was like, YESSSSS Finaly T6 Science Ships for Romulans and KDF, sooo going to buy the full Bundle, BUT......now i just saw the Stats and GONE is all the excitement, seriously WTH? and i thought all new Ships are now somewhat Balanced when it comes to the Layout, but 2/TWO Tac Consoles?! And the Fleet one gets another ENG Slot? Sorry but THE HELL is this? This is the reason why i and so many others DONT touch any ship that has less than 3 Tac Console Slots with a 10 Meters Stick!
The Boff layout is ok BUT the Console Layout should be like this: 3 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and Fleet Version get's another ENG Slot OR at least 2 TAC / 3 ENG / 5 SCI and the Fleet Version get's another TAC Console and NOT yet another ENG Console! by all rights EVEN a Sci ship needs a little more OMPH for the Weapons than THIS!
Several Fleeties were allready talking about those ships when they saw the announcement, and i know that they switched out of other ships with less than 3 Tac Consoles, so their reactions should be similar
After People have waited for SO LONG for a T6 Science Ship for Roms and KDFs you finaly make them BUT with SUCH a layout? Thats like yet another Slap in the Face.......... CRYPTIC PLEASE, consider those changes so those ships look more attractive to more than just "some" People.
Either 3 Tac Consoles out of the box, or a third Tac Console with the Fleet Version, and so many People would love to buy them, including me, so PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
The thing to remember is that tone doesn't carry over text unless you make a special effort, and that leads to misunderstandings. (tone here=friendly reminder)
Much of the passion here may be attributed to an escalation of misunderstandings. I don't think anyone came here looking for a fight. Why not change this thread title to something less inflammatory ( friendly suggestion) mark it as 'question answered' and start a new thread for polite discussion after the Holiday? Take a day to cool down. (friendly suggestion)
If you would like a different layout, I am sure a new thread with a topic like 'Next ideal cross faction Sci layout, discussion' would work out fine. People will always disagree. It is more painful to feel like you are standing alone defending valid a valid point, and that nobody seems to be listening. (sympathy) Listening is however a two way street. (inserting a friendly reality check).
On the next thread try to keep it going as a discussion, where nobody has to be right, or wrong, but is simply declaring a preference, and maybe why they have that point of view. (meant to be helpful)
The tone stuff in (-) is not meant to be snarky (sincerity), even if it may come across that way. you seem to be pretty upset, and I am just trying to avoid aggravating that.
I don't know what is going on in your life. You may not even be upset about this thread as much as you are about something else.
This time of year is always bittersweet for me. I hope you don't mind if I tell you why?
My Mother was in poor health. Her Doctors weren't evil, but mistakes got made. She was given a sodium reducing prescription, and then nearly died from to low of sodium, to name one. I ended up moving in, because her express wish was to be in her home till she died, and someone had to watch out for her. It took a lot of time from friends, other family, and most recreation.
So I got some family and friends to play STO . I ended up grinding for an hours, and checking on Mom. If she was awake, I'd sit and visit while she ate. I'd go to work, and come 'home', and that is where I spent all my time. That is why I am here today, however everything changes.
My Mother died three years ago on Thanksgiving day. Everyone was off work that day, and so everyone but my aunt could get to the hospital in time. When the Doctors made the call that it was a lost cause we got to fill that room up with family, and Mom was not alone. She lived in her home to the last day. I am so very thankful that she did not die on 'black friday'. Then, she would have been alone.
So maybe you are emotional about something besides the layout of the ships, and it is only coming out here. I know I'm emotional right now. Three years ago I went straight back to grinding because it was something I could do, and this bunch of 'trolls' has weirdly enough become a part of my online family. I'd ask you to not judge them to harshly. We all get worked up.
I want you to start a new thread, and if you do, I promise to give it some thought, and make a comment on my preferences.
Meanwhile, have Happy Thanksgiving.
Qapla'!
Well, first of all iam really sorry about your mom, i hope time healed up your wounds, second, your gues is not wrong, much negative things going on on my life, divorce and not seeing my 2 little girls for over 2 years now is nagging on ones "health and Sanity bar". So i gues, my patience level is therefore very low so i heat up pretty quickly, but that does not change the fact that some, NOT ALL, but some here do like to troll and flame, lets be honest, and those i know from other thraeds to where they also were fueling the heat, now they are here too, and its just annoying as hell having to deal with such people, i never said that my oppinion is THE oppinion that rules them all, its just my oppinion, no one has to like it, and no one is forced to comment on it, but entering the thread just to personaly attack me like " you dont deserve to fly a science ship if you dont know how" or "someone pvp that guy so we can feast on his tears (or something like that)" "learn how to play" and yada yada yada, is all UNNECESERY and yea it leads to a also unnecesery Fight.
Iam not a bad guy, maybe a little stuborn in his beliefs, most definately troubled from life, but some people here are prime examples for trolls and flamers, the rest may not agree but at least they dont start to be personal, and thats the difference.
Well let me recommend a method for dealing with any comments you find offensive. Step out of the way of them. Hear me out, and I'll explain.
Conversation can be a little like a battle, especially when you have differing opinions, and with that, a few who like to put a point on that difference. Your reaction should be 'soft styled' like a martial art, maybe aikido. let them flail around trying to hit you till they give up. You don't have to escalate, and they don't get the satisfaction of seeing a bruise on you.
In the end it is all just 'little words' and they really can't hurt you. A form of conversational aikido should be easier to master, so I would think.
C'mon and give it a try. Right here even. Change the post title, and work on ypour personal 'build' for forum 'combat'. Make it a Science build. Debuff the snark and fluctuate your shield frequencies.
I have been thinking a little bit about a Klingon game called Klin Zha, which you may have heard of. There is a version called he 'reflective game' which basically boils down to realizing whatever you do in the game can be turned against you. You still have to win! It is a Klingon game after all. The trick is in winning without giving any tools to your opponent. If you get angry, it gives a snarky person something to pin there response to. I hope these examples help.
I know you are not a bad guy. it will come out in the wash. Give it patience. Happy Thanksgiving.
So what are the existing Science ships with three or more Tac consoles, and how would you outfit them so that having those particular flavors of console is significant? There aren't that many tac-specific consoles people pine for, so I'm guessing we're talking Vulnerability Locators and maybe something very specific with the Multi-Conduit Energy Relay (Phaser & Disruptor damage; Photon damage; Radiation damage), the Harmonic Resonance Relay (Disruptor damage; Transphasic damage; Armor penetration) or the Chronometic Capacitor (Polaron Damage; Weapon Power; EPG; Torpedo Weapon Damage). But each of those is pretty much self-contained, so you wouldn't necessarily need two more slots to go with it...
I know the Paradox allows triple Tac consoles, and with 4/3 weapon slots I've even tried it out as something more akin to a beam boat with some angry black magic up it's sleeve, but the scarcity of Tac seating really capped its performance and eventually I moved on to a rainbow of AOE torpedoes (which in turn let me focus my power distribution on exceptionally lethal black magic).
I'm not much for getting fancy. If it was me, I'd probably try to go with tac ads that enhanced torps while trying to do what I could to take down an enemies shields with sci. That is a huge oversimplification, I admit. Nor am I the best guy for builds. It's just what I would do right now. I could see three tac consoles as useful there.
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That's just a low blow.
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Uh....you;'re the guy who came on here ranting about how the new ship didn't fit your requirements.
No offense but don't come in here ranting and raving and refusing to accept other people's opinions and advice if you can't take it.
Truth be told it was inevitable since the original post demonstrated a lack of understanding of science game play and your insistence that you were more knowledgeable than everyone else only added fuel to the fire.
The moderators may as well keep the topic open since it is thanksgiving and everyone deserves a good hearty belly laugh now and then.
Wow...just wow. We don't agree so we're trolls after calmly explaining why you are wrong?
The amount of entitled stupidity in this statement is FRIGHTENING.
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Pretty much yeah. I was trying my best to be nice to the OP, but it's a lost cause. I'm going to get called a troll anyway.. so fine.. OP you are a terrible player with no idea what you're talking about.
There, happy now?
Happy Thanksgiving.
Qapla'!
I pity the new CM coming off Thanksgiving to this mess, lol!
I already miss Trendy and her Leek of Doom/Ban'leth... I don't know ANYTHING about this new guy.
If you can't handle the truth, then that's just you. The fact is your complaint about these SCI Vessels being a problem due to the amount of TAC Console Slots shows how much you do not understand Science Builds.
The fact is for a real Science Build, those TAC Console Slots are places to stuff more consoles to enhance the appropriate Science Skillboxes.
As I said before earlier in the thread, if weapons performance were more important to you than science, then picking a ship with minimal tactical BOFF ability slots, 6 weapon slots is the worst possible route you can take. Honestly, you were looking for a ship with Tactical ability FIRST and Science playing second fiddle to it.
You were better off looking for an Escort with LtCmdr SCI capability, 5 TAC Consoles and possibly 2, 3 or even 4 SCI Console Slots. Those exist like the Ferengi Nandi, Pilot Escort (SCI variant), T6 Prometheus, etc.
Agreed. Asking to stay on topic is the most we can do for our own threads, and... technically... this thread has been on topic. Just not in the way the OP likes and probably wishes he could delete everything that doesn't agree with him.
The fact is this is an open discussion on the subject, and the OP doesn't like the fact no one is agreeing with the OP's belief on the subject.
@highlandrise
Extra points for your images above.
The thing to remember is that tone doesn't carry over text unless you make a special effort, and that leads to misunderstandings. (tone here=friendly reminder)
Much of the passion here may be attributed to an escalation of misunderstandings. I don't think anyone came here looking for a fight. Why not change this thread title to something less inflammatory ( friendly suggestion) mark it as 'question answered' and start a new thread for polite discussion after the Holiday? Take a day to cool down. (friendly suggestion)
If you would like a different layout, I am sure a new thread with a topic like 'Next ideal cross faction Sci layout, discussion' would work out fine. People will always disagree. It is more painful to feel like you are standing alone defending valid a valid point, and that nobody seems to be listening. (sympathy) Listening is however a two way street. (inserting a friendly reality check).
On the next thread try to keep it going as a discussion, where nobody has to be right, or wrong, but is simply declaring a preference, and maybe why they have that point of view. (meant to be helpful)
The tone stuff in (-) is not meant to be snarky (sincerity), even if it may come across that way. you seem to be pretty upset, and I am just trying to avoid aggravating that.
I don't know what is going on in your life. You may not even be upset about this thread as much as you are about something else.
This time of year is always bittersweet for me. I hope you don't mind if I tell you why?
My Mother was in poor health. Her Doctors weren't evil, but mistakes got made. She was given a sodium reducing prescription, and then nearly died from to low of sodium, to name one. I ended up moving in, because her express wish was to be in her home till she died, and someone had to watch out for her. It took a lot of time from friends, other family, and most recreation.
So I got some family and friends to play STO . I ended up grinding for an hours, and checking on Mom. If she was awake, I'd sit and visit while she ate. I'd go to work, and come 'home', and that is where I spent all my time. That is why I am here today, however everything changes.
My Mother died three years ago on Thanksgiving day. Everyone was off work that day, and so everyone but my aunt could get to the hospital in time. When the Doctors made the call that it was a lost cause we got to fill that room up with family, and Mom was not alone. She lived in her home to the last day. I am so very thankful that she did not die on 'black friday'. Then, she would have been alone.
So maybe you are emotional about something besides the layout of the ships, and it is only coming out here. I know I'm emotional right now. Three years ago I went straight back to grinding because it was something I could do, and this bunch of 'trolls' has weirdly enough become a part of my online family. I'd ask you to not judge them to harshly. We all get worked up.
I want you to start a new thread, and if you do, I promise to give it some thought, and make a comment on my preferences.
Meanwhile, have Happy Thanksgiving.
Qapla'!
Dude. Rank up your DIGNITY.
Its no surprise really they treat the roms and kdf like the redheaded step child they didnt want.
I have a feeling this isn't about us so much. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. I guess because I feel like it today.
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Just ignore the arguing over Tac consoles and DPS and understand what the folks with experience with flying Sci ships are saying.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Well, first of all iam really sorry about your mom, i hope time healed up your wounds, second, your gues is not wrong, much negative things going on on my life, divorce and not seeing my 2 little girls for over 2 years now is nagging on ones "health and Sanity bar". So i gues, my patience level is therefore very low so i heat up pretty quickly, but that does not change the fact that some, NOT ALL, but some here do like to troll and flame, lets be honest, and those i know from other thraeds to where they also were fueling the heat, now they are here too, and its just annoying as hell having to deal with such people, i never said that my oppinion is THE oppinion that rules them all, its just my oppinion, no one has to like it, and no one is forced to comment on it, but entering the thread just to personaly attack me like " you dont deserve to fly a science ship if you dont know how" or "someone pvp that guy so we can feast on his tears (or something like that)" "learn how to play" and yada yada yada, is all UNNECESERY and yea it leads to a also unnecesery Fight.
Iam not a bad guy, maybe a little stuborn in his beliefs, most definately troubled from life, but some people here are prime examples for trolls and flamers, the rest may not agree but at least they dont start to be personal, and thats the difference.
If you feel that there were trolling comments in this thread as well, then I advice you to ignore those comments and focus on the useful advice and hints that have been given. There have been plenty and by focussing on that you could have steered this discussion in a more positive direction as well: it's something that goes both ways.
Starting a thread also means you have the responsibility not to see anything that might slightly differ from your own opinion immediately as trolling and if there is such a thing present, to avoid it becoming dominant. I assume that's why you argued in favor of moderating our own threads; but you may want to try a different approach since it's (fortunately) not possible.
Instead of wishing to remove comments, add more positive and acknowledging ones of useful advice next time, it might help you.
Good luck to all of you with your real life issues.
I know the Paradox allows triple Tac consoles, and with 4/3 weapon slots I've even tried it out as something more akin to a beam boat with some angry black magic up it's sleeve, but the scarcity of Tac seating really capped its performance and eventually I moved on to a rainbow of AOE torpedoes (which in turn let me focus my power distribution on exceptionally lethal black magic).
One can, and in fact should, moderate their own thread. Keep in mind, this is only possible until you actually post the thread.
This thread could have benefitted from a bit of self-moderation, IMHO.
Well the OP should of been the first one to toe that line with the "all of you are trolls since you don't agree with me."
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I don't think there are any other tactical consoles that could be relevant for a specialised science build like the one you are describing.
There may be some things that provide a small bonus besides the three you've listed (of which I would consider the Chronometric capacitor the most relevant one) but ultimately I think this is about it.
If you ignore universal consoles of course. Taking those into account means there's a lot more options... otherwise I would say this is it.
Well....think of it this way - What did you know about Trendy when she arrived???
This guy's a Klingon, so he's ok in my book!
Yep, kinda my point. If the OP had moderated the thread before they posted it, this would have been a different thread.
Well let me recommend a method for dealing with any comments you find offensive. Step out of the way of them. Hear me out, and I'll explain.
Conversation can be a little like a battle, especially when you have differing opinions, and with that, a few who like to put a point on that difference. Your reaction should be 'soft styled' like a martial art, maybe aikido. let them flail around trying to hit you till they give up. You don't have to escalate, and they don't get the satisfaction of seeing a bruise on you.
In the end it is all just 'little words' and they really can't hurt you. A form of conversational aikido should be easier to master, so I would think.
C'mon and give it a try. Right here even. Change the post title, and work on ypour personal 'build' for forum 'combat'. Make it a Science build. Debuff the snark and fluctuate your shield frequencies.
I have been thinking a little bit about a Klingon game called Klin Zha, which you may have heard of. There is a version called he 'reflective game' which basically boils down to realizing whatever you do in the game can be turned against you. You still have to win! It is a Klingon game after all. The trick is in winning without giving any tools to your opponent. If you get angry, it gives a snarky person something to pin there response to. I hope these examples help.
I know you are not a bad guy. it will come out in the wash. Give it patience. Happy Thanksgiving.
Qapla'!
I'm not much for getting fancy. If it was me, I'd probably try to go with tac ads that enhanced torps while trying to do what I could to take down an enemies shields with sci. That is a huge oversimplification, I admit. Nor am I the best guy for builds. It's just what I would do right now. I could see three tac consoles as useful there.
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