who says that was the engine room to begin with? spock may have given scotty his prime counterpart's working calculations for transwarp beaming, but WORKING doesn't mean ACCURATE
The water tubes they wound up in were obviously Cetacean Ops.
it could also be a cooling system for one of the nacelles...you know, those things that constantly have warp plasma pumping through them? plasma tends to be pretty hot, so you'd need some way to keep things cool
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it could also be a cooling system for one of the nacelles...you know, those things that constantly have warp plasma pumping through them? plasma tends to be pretty hot, so you'd need some way to keep things cool
There's no room in even those ample nacelles. At least I don't see it.
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Yes, and their five year mission was to bring Bud to all the outlying Colonies, Settlements, and Outposts.
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The entire crew of the NX-01 was able to hold out in the nacelles of Enterprise. But if Turbine Section 3 in the '09 movie was a colling system for the nacelles, it was probably near one of the nacelle struts and not in the actual nacelle.
yeah, they definitely didn't beam into the engine room ( which is actually called main engineering - aka, the warp core room), because we saw that in ID, and there was no sign of those big water tubes anywhere
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Do we have actual dimensions for the brewer or the laser room that stood in for turbine control and the warp core? Because I'm still sure they can be squeezed into a ~360m ship. Not with much room for anything else in that bit of the hull but I'm sure they can fit. I mean TMP's warp core was about the size of ID's core (well, including the matte painting ) and that managed to fit.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
not that i know of...and i'd like to know what breweries you people have been visiting, because i've seen pictures of some and NONE of them ever had anything even remotely close to giant tubes of water running through them
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Do we have actual dimensions for the brewer or the laser room that stood in for turbine control and the warp core? Because I'm still sure they can be squeezed into a ~360m ship. Not with much room for anything else in that bit of the hull but I'm sure they can fit. I mean TMP's warp core was about the size of ID's core (well, including the matte painting ) and that managed to fit.
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
who says that was the engine room to begin with? spock may have given scotty his prime counterpart's working calculations for transwarp beaming, but WORKING doesn't mean ACCURATE
The water tubes they wound up in were obviously Cetacean Ops.
It could equally be Sanitation. Since replicator systems aren't mentioned at all, I think it's safe to assume that they don't quite exist in the mid-23rd Century - you'd still need quite a bit of water for waste processing and crew hydration (which Scotty got a little too familiar with).
who says that was the engine room to begin with? spock may have given scotty his prime counterpart's working calculations for transwarp beaming, but WORKING doesn't mean ACCURATE
The water tubes they wound up in were obviously Cetacean Ops.
It could equally be Sanitation. Since replicator systems aren't mentioned at all, I think it's safe to assume that they don't quite exist in the mid-23rd Century - you'd still need quite a bit of water for waste processing and crew hydration (which Scotty got a little too familiar with).
We also have to remember that the sets and models built for the PT were less-than appropriately sized considering the supposed-size of the model. Yes, I'm aware that it's canon..but fiscal constraints in the '60s were quite a bit different from those same limitations of today.
A +300-metre ship has a shuttlebay with enough room for *only* one shuttle to exit or enter at any one time? Also..do we have a given size for the Kelvin?
Going by the 'Official Starships Collection' by Eaglemoss the Kelvin is 315 meters long. Which I find hard to believe considering the shuttles and the crew of 800+.
I figured that 800+ number was because they were on a mission to either pick up or deliver colonists from/to somewhere when the Narada showed up.
All the extra folks onboard were just that, extra... and the actual crew number was somewhat smaller.
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While TOS may not have yet had Replicators, Food Synthesizers were mentioned in 'The Naked Time' and 'The Trouble with Tribbles'.
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[quote="ltminns;12976509"]While TOS may not have yet had Replicators, Food Synthesizers were mentioned in 'The Naked Time' and 'The Trouble with Tribbles'.[/quote]
And they also must have had some early form because in Patterns of Force McCoy said the computer got his boot wrong and in Catspaw Kirk stated that they could manufacture precious gemstones.
Yep, didn't think these arguments that TOS Starships needed to reserve a lot of room for reclamation facilities were valid.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
and while food synthesizers in ToS most likely could produce water for use in various food items, it was mentioned that the enterprise's meatloaf was something to be avoided...which makes me wonder what was wrong with it, as i can think of several reasons for which one might want to avoid meatloaf
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Passion and Serenity are one.
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In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
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What proteins are used in Boots and Uniforms or gems?
Sonic showers.
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Sonic showers don't freeze people solid, TOS ones did in The Naked Time.
Wasn't it indicated that somebody turned off the life support in that episode, so essentially the "shower" (don't remember it being called a 'sonic' one) person froze in the water stream, when the outposts temperature dropped and that person was too messed up in the head to get out.
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The water tubes they wound up in were obviously Cetacean Ops.
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
There's no room in even those ample nacelles. At least I don't see it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Kelvin Timeline Enterprise only served Budweiser.
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engineering deck, maybe; engine room, no
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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It was filmed in the Anheuser-Busch brewery in Van Nuys. So, if you can get the floor plans and do a little math I'm sure it can be plotted out.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It could equally be Sanitation. Since replicator systems aren't mentioned at all, I think it's safe to assume that they don't quite exist in the mid-23rd Century - you'd still need quite a bit of water for waste processing and crew hydration (which Scotty got a little too familiar with).
Also possible, certainly.
I figured that 800+ number was because they were on a mission to either pick up or deliver colonists from/to somewhere when the Narada showed up.
All the extra folks onboard were just that, extra... and the actual crew number was somewhat smaller.
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And they also must have had some early form because in Patterns of Force McCoy said the computer got his boot wrong and in Catspaw Kirk stated that they could manufacture precious gemstones.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Sonic showers.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Wasn't it indicated that somebody turned off the life support in that episode, so essentially the "shower" (don't remember it being called a 'sonic' one) person froze in the water stream, when the outposts temperature dropped and that person was too messed up in the head to get out.
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