The best thing to do is go and make your own thing
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I never have made a fan film. I though about it but now I won't even touch it because of the new rules. Why even bother?
Apply the same creative energies to your own product without the scaffold of someone else's IP. The story is there, does it really need a Trek framework?
I never have made a fan film. I though about it but now I won't even touch it because of the new rules. Why even bother?
Apply the same creative energies to your own product without the scaffold of someone else's IP. The story is there, does it really need a Trek framework?
Exactly. George Lucas went to King Features to get the rights to either Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers. They said no. He took his ideas and created Star Wars.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
George Lucas wanted to make Flash Gordon. He wasn't allowed.
He made Star Wars instead.
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I couldn't remember which one.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I never have made a fan film. I though about it but now I won't even touch it because of the new rules. Why even bother?
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I never have made a fan film. I though about it but now I won't even touch it because of the new rules. Why even bother?
Apply the same creative energies to your own product without the scaffold of someone else's IP. The story is there, does it really need a Trek framework?
Exactly. George Lucas went to King Features to get the rights to either Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers. They said no. He took his ideas and created Star Wars.
Look at 50 Shades of Grey, it was originally a Twlight fanfic that ended up becoming it's own IP.
It is true that IP owners have the right to impose whatever restrictions they so desire as to preserve the IP and the owners' interests. Fans also have the right to change their opinion and not support an IP to the point of leaving the IP if they are no longer being satisfied by the content put forth by the IP owners.
Star Trek has provided many hours of enlightening and thoughtful entertainment as well as a universe where humanity has grown and become better as whole, but there are other infinitely unexplored universes--some similar to the ones we are fans of--where human imagination can engage in thought provoking entertainment without restrictions. It is up to us--the fans--to decide where we choose to reside.
I never have made a fan film. I though about it but now I won't even touch it because of the new rules. Why even bother?
Apply the same creative energies to your own product without the scaffold of someone else's IP. The story is there, does it really need a Trek framework?
Exactly. George Lucas went to King Features to get the rights to either Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers. They said no. He took his ideas and created Star Wars.
Look at 50 Shades of Grey, it was originally a Twlight fanfic that ended up becoming it's own IP.
It is true that IP owners have the right to impose whatever restrictions they so desire as to preserve the IP and the owners' interests. Fans also have the right to change their opinion and not support an IP to the point of leaving the IP if they are no longer being satisfied by the content put forth by the IP owners.
Star Trek has provided many hours of enlightening and thoughtful entertainment as well as a universe where humanity has grown and become better as whole, but there are other infinitely unexplored universes--some similar to the ones we are fans of--where human imagination can engage in thought provoking entertainment without restrictions. It is up to us--the fans--to decide where we choose to reside.
Yeah. It's part of why few people are serious fanfic writers. If you're a serious writer, why are you doing fan-fics? There's no money there.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I never have made a fan film. I though about it but now I won't even touch it because of the new rules. Why even bother?
Apply the same creative energies to your own product without the scaffold of someone else's IP. The story is there, does it really need a Trek framework?
I'm a big supporter of fanfiction, but after these rules, I would concur. Leave Trek behind.
I've considered making a Trek machinima myself using STO, but that's not going to happen now. Except maybe a take that to the fan film guidelines, in which case who cares what the guidelines are because it would be a parody and therefor fair use.
The best thing to do is go and make your own thing
This. In my most frank opinion, and no offense to anyone intended that doesn't agree, but I feel the current guidelines are not as draconian as some might say they are, and that trying to personally make movies/episodes of someone elses IP, is actually a sign of obsession about a fiction that goes beyond just being a fan when it would be more sensible to put such resources into a completely new fiction you can call your own and evolve it. It's infinitely more satisfying to be able to consider a work purely your own baby to raise into something grand and no one elses! I feel originality is an overly lost art these days, even to Cryptic and the current IP holders above Cryptic.
I may not be considered a Trek fan in both my own eyes and others eyes, simply I appreciated casually what Trek is, and was, and will continue to enjoy it for what it's worth in the future, but I believe in keeping things simple and let the IP holders do as they see fit at the end of the day and put things into perspective. Let's pride ourselves in bold originality more! Originality and new things is how the future happens.
The best thing to do is go and make your own thing
This. In my most frank opinion, and no offense to anyone intended that doesn't agree, but I feel the current guidelines are not as draconian as some might say they are, and that trying to personally make movies/episodes of someone elses IP, is actually a sign of obsession about a fiction that goes beyond just being a fan when it would be more sensible to put such resources into a completely new fiction you can call your own and evolve it. It's infinitely more satisfying to be able to consider a work purely your own baby to raise into something grand and no one elses! I feel originality is an overly lost art these days, even to Cryptic and the current IP holders above Cryptic.
I may not be considered a Trek fan in both my own eyes and others eyes, simply I appreciated casually what Trek is, and was, and will continue to enjoy it for what it's worth in the future, but I believe in keeping things simple and let the IP holders do as they see fit at the end of the day and put things into perspective. Let's pride ourselves in bold originality more! Originality and new things is how the future happens.
I am a trek fan and even if these rules didn't come out my advice to people would be to make their own stuff.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
That's that then. I will always love star trek, but we part ways here.
Star Trek has LIVED off fan productions for the last 30-40 years. Up to the new movies, nothing was being done but fan productions and the odd comic/book here and there. The new guidelines are sickening and destroy any trust that they have with the fans. There are SO many superb works out there!
They must really not expect the actors to do anything. I wonder how they will react, considering several of them are in fan productions already.
I cant support what they have done and ill put my money where my mouth is, so to speak. It's been a blast, but i wont give them any further money. That includes star trek online. See ya'll in Star Wars! I guess
I 'm in general not a huge fan of fan films, but i liked Continues and Axanar looked seriously awesome.
It's a shame they basicly gave every fan production the finger. While i agree that fan productions should be non commercial, some other conditions are simply rediculus in my opinion: 1. The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.(That's basicly the death blow for ST Continues and every other ambitious fan production, plain and simple.) 2. The title of the fan production or any parts cannot include the name “Star Trek.” However, the title must contain a subtitle with the phrase: “A STAR TREK FAN PRODUCTION” in plain typeface. The fan production cannot use the term “official” in either its title or subtitle or in any marketing, promotions or social media for the fan production.(WTF?) 4. If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.(this sounds more like a pettifoggers bullying. What about shots from a convention where ppl. wearing all sorts of self made things? Will these become outlawed soon, too?) 5. The fan production must be a real “fan” production, i.e., creators, actors and all other participants must be amateurs, cannot be compensated for their services, and cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series, films, production of DVDs or with any of CBS or Paramount Pictures’ licensees.(like the above, to me this looks more like a needless hurdles. If someone agrees to take part in a non commercial enterprise (no pun intended) it shouldn't matter with what she/he earns money normally.)
I'm pretty sure that point 4 and 5 could be challenged with some good and extremely expensive lawyers. While 1,2 (although unfair) and 3, 6-10 (somehow justifiable) lie completely in CBS and Paramounts measurement IMHO. But i'm not a lawyer, lol.
I fully agree with @khan5000, better invent your own thing. As i see it, Star Trek is already so diverse and varied in theme, almost everyone has a different opinion about what Star Trek is about. How is that saying ask 3 Star Trek fans what Star Trek is about and you get 4 answers. (was it like that?)
For everyone who cares, why not invent a Sci Fi universe how it would have been made in the 60s or 80s or whatever Trek you prefer? Not everyting needs to be gritty, disgusting and ultra realistic as TV is nowadays.
If you prefer something new, invent it yourself or with other ppl help. (I'm sure this could be a lot of fun tbh) Eventually the internet needs to be good for SOMETHING ...
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
for those saying invent your own thing - no one cares about anything they are not told with massive advertising budgets to watch. Yes, you can have limited "success." Maybe a little more if you are young and have some sex appeal to sell. In 2 years I have had around 200,000 free downloads of my books and over 10,000 paid sales - a large % at .33 cents. Not enough to buy groceries for the year. You will not 'make it' ever. Put it out of your mind and write what you want to write for yourself only. If someone else ever likes it that's gravy. For me it's not at all about the money - same as for most of the fan film people. They are doing what they want to do.
I know the law in this area very well and of course the corporation can enforce their rights at any time. I was surprised they didn't do it sooner. I believe they only did so now due to a change in their corporate relationships, structures, and plans for the future. Which I think will be very grim.
Renegades announced that they're removing all references to Trek and forging on with their series. I will support them in any way I can - possibly with a large donation if this miser can stomach the pain of vault opening.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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I think people made non commercial Star Trek fan films because they love Star Trek, not because of the money, it's not the reason they are doing non commercial fan films.
But if CBS/Paramount basicly forbits them to make decent Star Trek fan films, they can start creating their own stuff just as well, so they don't have to waste any thought on CBS/Paramounts lawyers anymore.
Sure they need to find an audience and people willing to donate money to them for their new movies/whatever but if it's good, people will watch it anyways. And some production teams (like ST: Continues) have already shown, they are capable to create decent shows if they have the money for it. Maybe that could be a starting point.
Of course i understand that the name Star Trek draws a lot of attention, but starting something on their own doesn't need to be something bad imo.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
for those saying invent your own thing - no one cares about anything they are not told with massive advertising budgets to watch. Yes, you can have limited "success." Maybe a little more if you are young and have some sex appeal to sell. In 2 years I have had around 200,000 free downloads of my books and over 10,000 paid sales - a large % at .33 cents. Not enough to buy groceries for the year. You will not 'make it' ever. Put it out of your mind and write what you want to write for yourself only. If someone else ever likes it that's gravy. For me it's not at all about the money - same as for most of the fan film people. They are doing what they want to do.
I know the law in this area very well and of course the corporation can enforce their rights at any time. I was surprised they didn't do it sooner. I believe they only did so now due to a change in their corporate relationships, structures, and plans for the future. Which I think will be very grim.
Renegades announced that they're removing all references to Trek and forging on with their series. I will support them in any way I can - possibly with a large donation if this miser can stomach the pain of vault opening.
Are you making a Trek fan film to show love to the franchise?
Or, are you making a Trek fan film to "make it big," and hitching your wagon to an established franchise is an easier route?
Vic Mignogna is totally killing it, in the PR department. Total class act, and that's no surprise given his reputation.
I hope CBS comes out next Wednesday, and declares that STC can finish their plans out with no fear of legal action. It's totally playing favorites, but this guy deserves that.
Yeah, I think maybe that's what Renegades will do going forward. They have so many big names they can use to fundraise. I'm not sure many of the others
for those saying invent your own thing - no one cares about anything they are not told with massive advertising budgets to watch. Yes, you can have limited "success." Maybe a little more if you are young and have some sex appeal to sell. In 2 years I have had around 200,000 free downloads of my books and over 10,000 paid sales - a large % at .33 cents. Not enough to buy groceries for the year. You will not 'make it' ever. Put it out of your mind and write what you want to write for yourself only. If someone else ever likes it that's gravy. For me it's not at all about the money - same as for most of the fan film people. They are doing what they want to do.
I know the law in this area very well and of course the corporation can enforce their rights at any time. I was surprised they didn't do it sooner. I believe they only did so now due to a change in their corporate relationships, structures, and plans for the future. Which I think will be very grim.
Renegades announced that they're removing all references to Trek and forging on with their series. I will support them in any way I can - possibly with a large donation if this miser can stomach the pain of vault opening.
Are you making a Trek fan film to show love to the franchise?
Or, are you making a Trek fan film to "make it big," and hitching your wagon to an established franchise is an easier route?
You can't do both. Sorry.
I don't really follow what you're saying. All of the people from Renegades have "made it big" It's a who's who of surviving Trek old-timers. They are doing it because they love Trek. I don't really know too much about the other shows. I've watched all of them. For the most part they seem like true fan-fic. I guess that one guy is doing voice work for STO now. But he did professional voice work long ago as well.
I don't make films at all or write any sort of fanfiction.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I think people made non commercial Star Trek fan films because they love Star Trek, not because of the money, it's not the reason they are doing non commercial fan films.
It really was never theirs to love that way. And definitely isn't available anymore now.
I don't really follow what you're saying. All of the people from Renegades have "made it big" It's a who's who of surviving Trek old-timers. They are doing it because they love Trek. I don't really know too much about the other shows. I've watched all of them. For the most part they seem like true fan-fic. I guess that one guy is doing voice work for STO now. But he did professional voice work long ago as well.
I don't make films at all or write any sort of fanfiction.
Neither do I, but I have dabbled in the world of (music) content creation. I have a high amount of respect for content creators, big and small... and I believe that they ALL deserve their just rights granted to them by US copyright law, as broken or unbroken as that system may be.
And, I suggest you do research on any of those fan projects, before you start giving them your hard-earned money blindly.
Both Continues and New Voyages never had aspirations of becoming a part of Trek canon, nor were they seeking to use those productions as a springboard to become the next Trek series. They did it because they want to continue to "play" in the TOS sandbox.
Tim Russ, and the Renegades crew, made that series as a pilot pitch. They are seeking to get more work. I won't begrudge them that, but CBS wasn't interested in that pitch. At least for them, they are smart in attempting to continue their goals by removing all references to Trek (although, that is a tall order, since that means they'll need to remove names, places, uniforms, etc).
Given the interview with Christian Gossett (the writer/director of "Prelude to Axanar") that came out this week, Alec Peters had intentions from the beginning of forcing his way into becoming the next Rick Berman. At least through the completion of Prelude, he seemed like he wanted to play ball with everyone involved. After Prelude's success, though, Peters changed... and now, most of the people that made Prelude a success (including Gossett and Tony Todd) are now GONE from the production (long before the C/P lawsuit began, too). I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU LISTEN TO THAT INTERVIEW.
Vic Mignogna is totally killing it, in the PR department. Total class act, and that's no surprise given his reputation.
Where at? There's nothing much on his official twitter as far as I can tell.
Seems like the two major comments I've seen from him are through Continues' FB page... there is a link to the first comment on the STC Twitter page, and the second I saw on /r/StarTrek.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Apply the same creative energies to your own product without the scaffold of someone else's IP. The story is there, does it really need a Trek framework?
Exactly. George Lucas went to King Features to get the rights to either Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers. They said no. He took his ideas and created Star Wars.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
He made Star Wars instead.
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I couldn't remember which one.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
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We were actually making the same point at the same time, LOL.
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Look at 50 Shades of Grey, it was originally a Twlight fanfic that ended up becoming it's own IP.
It is true that IP owners have the right to impose whatever restrictions they so desire as to preserve the IP and the owners' interests. Fans also have the right to change their opinion and not support an IP to the point of leaving the IP if they are no longer being satisfied by the content put forth by the IP owners.
Star Trek has provided many hours of enlightening and thoughtful entertainment as well as a universe where humanity has grown and become better as whole, but there are other infinitely unexplored universes--some similar to the ones we are fans of--where human imagination can engage in thought provoking entertainment without restrictions. It is up to us--the fans--to decide where we choose to reside.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I've considered making a Trek machinima myself using STO, but that's not going to happen now. Except maybe a take that to the fan film guidelines, in which case who cares what the guidelines are because it would be a parody and therefor fair use.
Better yet, don't.
This. In my most frank opinion, and no offense to anyone intended that doesn't agree, but I feel the current guidelines are not as draconian as some might say they are, and that trying to personally make movies/episodes of someone elses IP, is actually a sign of obsession about a fiction that goes beyond just being a fan when it would be more sensible to put such resources into a completely new fiction you can call your own and evolve it. It's infinitely more satisfying to be able to consider a work purely your own baby to raise into something grand and no one elses! I feel originality is an overly lost art these days, even to Cryptic and the current IP holders above Cryptic.
I may not be considered a Trek fan in both my own eyes and others eyes, simply I appreciated casually what Trek is, and was, and will continue to enjoy it for what it's worth in the future, but I believe in keeping things simple and let the IP holders do as they see fit at the end of the day and put things into perspective. Let's pride ourselves in bold originality more! Originality and new things is how the future happens.
Sounds like you would would prefer 50 Shades of Gorn.
I am a trek fan and even if these rules didn't come out my advice to people would be to make their own stuff.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
That's that then. I will always love star trek, but we part ways here.
Star Trek has LIVED off fan productions for the last 30-40 years. Up to the new movies, nothing was being done but fan productions and the odd comic/book here and there. The new guidelines are sickening and destroy any trust that they have with the fans. There are SO many superb works out there!
They must really not expect the actors to do anything. I wonder how they will react, considering several of them are in fan productions already.
I cant support what they have done and ill put my money where my mouth is, so to speak. It's been a blast, but i wont give them any further money. That includes star trek online. See ya'll in Star Wars! I guess
It's a shame they basicly gave every fan production the finger. While i agree that fan productions should be non commercial, some other conditions are simply rediculus in my opinion:
1. The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes. (That's basicly the death blow for ST Continues and every other ambitious fan production, plain and simple.)
2. The title of the fan production or any parts cannot include the name “Star Trek.” However, the title must contain a subtitle with the phrase: “A STAR TREK FAN PRODUCTION” in plain typeface. The fan production cannot use the term “official” in either its title or subtitle or in any marketing, promotions or social media for the fan production. (WTF?)
4. If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products. (this sounds more like a pettifoggers bullying. What about shots from a convention where ppl. wearing all sorts of self made things? Will these become outlawed soon, too?)
5. The fan production must be a real “fan” production, i.e., creators, actors and all other participants must be amateurs, cannot be compensated for their services, and cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series, films, production of DVDs or with any of CBS or Paramount Pictures’ licensees. (like the above, to me this looks more like a needless hurdles. If someone agrees to take part in a non commercial enterprise (no pun intended) it shouldn't matter with what she/he earns money normally.)
I'm pretty sure that point 4 and 5 could be challenged with some good and extremely expensive lawyers. While 1,2 (although unfair) and 3, 6-10 (somehow justifiable) lie completely in CBS and Paramounts measurement IMHO. But i'm not a lawyer, lol.
I fully agree with @khan5000, better invent your own thing. As i see it, Star Trek is already so diverse and varied in theme, almost everyone has a different opinion about what Star Trek is about. How is that saying ask 3 Star Trek fans what Star Trek is about and you get 4 answers. (was it like that?)
For everyone who cares, why not invent a Sci Fi universe how it would have been made in the 60s or 80s or whatever Trek you prefer? Not everyting needs to be gritty, disgusting and ultra realistic as TV is nowadays.
If you prefer something new, invent it yourself or with other ppl help. (I'm sure this could be a lot of fun tbh) Eventually the internet needs to be good for SOMETHING ...
I know the law in this area very well and of course the corporation can enforce their rights at any time. I was surprised they didn't do it sooner. I believe they only did so now due to a change in their corporate relationships, structures, and plans for the future. Which I think will be very grim.
Renegades announced that they're removing all references to Trek and forging on with their series. I will support them in any way I can - possibly with a large donation if this miser can stomach the pain of vault opening.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I think people made non commercial Star Trek fan films because they love Star Trek, not because of the money, it's not the reason they are doing non commercial fan films.
But if CBS/Paramount basicly forbits them to make decent Star Trek fan films, they can start creating their own stuff just as well, so they don't have to waste any thought on CBS/Paramounts lawyers anymore.
Sure they need to find an audience and people willing to donate money to them for their new movies/whatever but if it's good, people will watch it anyways. And some production teams (like ST: Continues) have already shown, they are capable to create decent shows if they have the money for it. Maybe that could be a starting point.
Of course i understand that the name Star Trek draws a lot of attention, but starting something on their own doesn't need to be something bad imo.
Are you making a Trek fan film to show love to the franchise?
Or, are you making a Trek fan film to "make it big," and hitching your wagon to an established franchise is an easier route?
You can't do both. Sorry.
Vic Mignogna is totally killing it, in the PR department. Total class act, and that's no surprise given his reputation.
I hope CBS comes out next Wednesday, and declares that STC can finish their plans out with no fear of legal action. It's totally playing favorites, but this guy deserves that.
I don't really follow what you're saying. All of the people from Renegades have "made it big" It's a who's who of surviving Trek old-timers. They are doing it because they love Trek. I don't really know too much about the other shows. I've watched all of them. For the most part they seem like true fan-fic. I guess that one guy is doing voice work for STO now. But he did professional voice work long ago as well.
I don't make films at all or write any sort of fanfiction.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Sealion, wasn't really taking their size into account, just what the two of them do to the other one in Finding Dory.
It really was never theirs to love that way. And definitely isn't available anymore now.
Where at? There's nothing much on his official twitter as far as I can tell.
Neither do I, but I have dabbled in the world of (music) content creation. I have a high amount of respect for content creators, big and small... and I believe that they ALL deserve their just rights granted to them by US copyright law, as broken or unbroken as that system may be.
And, I suggest you do research on any of those fan projects, before you start giving them your hard-earned money blindly.
Both Continues and New Voyages never had aspirations of becoming a part of Trek canon, nor were they seeking to use those productions as a springboard to become the next Trek series. They did it because they want to continue to "play" in the TOS sandbox.
Tim Russ, and the Renegades crew, made that series as a pilot pitch. They are seeking to get more work. I won't begrudge them that, but CBS wasn't interested in that pitch. At least for them, they are smart in attempting to continue their goals by removing all references to Trek (although, that is a tall order, since that means they'll need to remove names, places, uniforms, etc).
Given the interview with Christian Gossett (the writer/director of "Prelude to Axanar") that came out this week, Alec Peters had intentions from the beginning of forcing his way into becoming the next Rick Berman. At least through the completion of Prelude, he seemed like he wanted to play ball with everyone involved. After Prelude's success, though, Peters changed... and now, most of the people that made Prelude a success (including Gossett and Tony Todd) are now GONE from the production (long before the C/P lawsuit began, too). I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU LISTEN TO THAT INTERVIEW.
Seems like the two major comments I've seen from him are through Continues' FB page... there is a link to the first comment on the STC Twitter page, and the second I saw on /r/StarTrek.
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