I see multiple guidelines that seem to be in direct response to Axanar. Can we finally end the debate and just agree that that movie is never happening?
The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.
Whoa. Quite limiting.
The fan production must be a real “fan” production, i.e., creators, actors and all other participants must be amateurs, cannot be compensated for their services, and cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series, films, production of DVDs or with any of CBS or Paramount Pictures’ licensees.
Wow...
That kills just about every current fan production out there.
Shame, that one guy had to ruin it for everybody.
smh
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The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.
Whoa. Quite limiting.
If you have a longer story to tell, use tie-in written fan fiction or something, and stick to the essentials in the two film segments you're allotted.
The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.
Whoa. Quite limiting.
If you have a longer story to tell, use tie-in written fan fiction or something, and stick to the essentials in the two film segments you're allotted.
But who wants to see that?
I guess any meaningful production will have to work outside these guidelines and hope they don't get into trouble.
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At this point, my guess is most of the folks out there who have been doing a great job and staying within reason before these guidelines, will just throw in the towel.
Nobody is going to want to chance it.
Real shame...
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I wonder how closely CBS/Paramount will keep an eye on new fan films now? Could people could get away with minor infractions?
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.
I think this means people can still build their own props/costumes?
I think the time constraints is because of the money limits. There's no way to do a feature length film or series for the cash limit that they placed...especially for ones with special effects
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I wonder how closely CBS/Paramount will keep an eye on new fan films now? Could people could get away with minor infractions?
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.
I think this means people can still build their own props/costumes?
As long as yer not Buying the stuff from a Non-Licensed dealer, or selling what you make to use, I guess it's OK.
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I think the time constraints is because of the money limits. There's no way to do a feature length film or series for the cash limit that they placed...especially for ones with special effects
That's not entirely true, with a bunch of friends acting for free, and a cgi artist buddy doing free fx you can do a lot for very little ... in fact, with all these limitations the only thing the money can really be spent on is officially licensed props and camera equipment anyway.
Also, I believe the money limitations are for crowd funding or other fundraisers, with no limit on out of pocket expenditures, or am I reading that wrong? Granted if I'm right, only very rich fans could take advantage of it, but it's still something.
Guess this kills Axanar and Star Trek Continues, or anything interesting.
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I think the time constraints is because of the money limits. There's no way to do a feature length film or series for the cash limit that they placed...especially for ones with special effects
That's not entirely true, with a bunch of friends acting for free, and a cgi artist buddy doing free fx you can do a lot for very little ... in fact, with all these limitations the only thing the money can really be spent on is officially licensed props and camera equipment anyway.
Also, I believe the money limitations are for crowd funding or other fundraisers, with no limit on out of pocket expenditures, or am I reading that wrong? Granted if I'm right, only very rich fans could take advantage of it, but it's still something.
Well, a group of people that pooled their money maybe?
Didn't Axanar counter sue saying CBS/Paramount wasn't defending the IP enough?
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Oh and gotta love the part where they try to TRIBBLE over and milk fans for money by demanding that they buy "official" merchandise to use in fan films.
So fan films are totally off limits now to DIY Cosplayers.
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.
This is just disgusting and appalling.
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Sigh. You understand that the Prelude/Axanar guys were allegedly using the Star Trek license to fund their studio's other projects.
This is way different from Cawley, Micnogna, and Broughton, or the slew of other fan films that respected the IP. None of these guys were profiting and/or using donations to fund other projects.
Oh and gotta love the part where they try to **** over and milk fans for money by demanding that they buy "official" merchandise to use in fan films.
So fan films are totally off limits now to DIY Cosplayers.
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.
This is just disgusting and appalling.
Could just find a way to demonstrate how the commercially available items are insufficient or change it in someway to be a different item, but that's all a bit risky.
Honestly though, you couldn't expect them to NOT try to profit from this in some way though. Think of the prop expenses as a licensing fee instead.
Oh and gotta love the part where they try to **** over and milk fans for money by demanding that they buy "official" merchandise to use in fan films.
So fan films are totally off limits now to DIY Cosplayers.
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.
This is just disgusting and appalling.
You want to build props for cosplay, and make a video with friends to privately share said video? Or to practice your skills at video editing? Go right ahead. Nothing is still stopping you.
You want to publicly distribute that work? Follow the rules.
99.9% of cosplayers don't care about making movies.
What's next, fan art? ( wouldn't stop me anyways =p )
This case had nothing to do with fan fiction or fan art. No need to jump to conclusions.
I think you need to re-read what he actually wrote.
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I've never been big into the fan projects, but these guidelines are crippling. They could have very well just said "no more".
So much passion and hard work ruined...
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Whoa. Quite limiting.
Wow. Not good for Tim Russ.
That kills just about every current fan production out there.
Shame, that one guy had to ruin it for everybody.
smh
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If you have a longer story to tell, use tie-in written fan fiction or something, and stick to the essentials in the two film segments you're allotted.
But who wants to see that?
I guess any meaningful production will have to work outside these guidelines and hope they don't get into trouble.
Nobody is going to want to chance it.
Real shame...
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I think this means people can still build their own props/costumes?
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
As long as yer not Buying the stuff from a Non-Licensed dealer, or selling what you make to use, I guess it's OK.
???
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That's not entirely true, with a bunch of friends acting for free, and a cgi artist buddy doing free fx you can do a lot for very little ... in fact, with all these limitations the only thing the money can really be spent on is officially licensed props and camera equipment anyway.
Also, I believe the money limitations are for crowd funding or other fundraisers, with no limit on out of pocket expenditures, or am I reading that wrong? Granted if I'm right, only very rich fans could take advantage of it, but it's still something.
https://www.change.org/p/star-trek-fans-boycott-star-trek-paramount-and-cbs-films-and-shows
Commence the s***storm in 3...2...1...
and after they went to bat for continues after youtube removed one of their episodes...
well, so much for that
those guidelines kill everything the hidden frontier team was working on, too...hopefully they were already finished
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
If a whole hand isn't available, a finger is acceptable...
Funny thing is, if they kept to the format of "Prelude to Axanar" (a mockumentary short), it could still be something cool.
Oh and gotta love the part where they try to TRIBBLE over and milk fans for money by demanding that they buy "official" merchandise to use in fan films.
So fan films are totally off limits now to DIY Cosplayers.
This is just disgusting and appalling.
This is way different from Cawley, Micnogna, and Broughton, or the slew of other fan films that respected the IP. None of these guys were profiting and/or using donations to fund other projects.
Be careful with this boycott paramount stuff.
edited to include the word allegedly
Could just find a way to demonstrate how the commercially available items are insufficient or change it in someway to be a different item, but that's all a bit risky.
Honestly though, you couldn't expect them to NOT try to profit from this in some way though. Think of the prop expenses as a licensing fee instead.
You want to build props for cosplay, and make a video with friends to privately share said video? Or to practice your skills at video editing? Go right ahead. Nothing is still stopping you.
You want to publicly distribute that work? Follow the rules.
99.9% of cosplayers don't care about making movies.
This case had nothing to do with fan fiction or fan art. No need to jump to conclusions.
I think you need to re-read what he actually wrote.
A thing that will never, ever happen. They are the holders of the Intellectual Property, and it in no way belongs to the fans.
Huh? Crashdragpn said this move was spiteful, and wondered if C/P was going after fan art next.
What exactly did I miss?
So much passion and hard work ruined...
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