If Starfleet was PURELY about peaceful exploration, then none of their ships would have weapons or even a military rank structure. I believe Archer was rather vocal about not wanting to have weapons installed on his ship, although he later changed his mind when the Elachi showed up.
The XINDI. not the Elachi..
Actually he ran into the Elachi before he even was aware of the Xindi.
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If Starfleet was PURELY about peaceful exploration, then none of their ships would have weapons or even a military rank structure. I believe Archer was rather vocal about not wanting to have weapons installed on his ship, although he later changed his mind when the Elachi showed up.
The XINDI. not the Elachi..
Actually, he had Trip install the phase cannons because they were under attack by the Elachi. They had not been installed previously because they had launched earlier than scheduled due to the events of the pilot episode.
The Xindi incident resulted in additional weapons being installed, and Maco's were not stationed on board until then either, so you are partially correct.
No. Starfleet is an organization based on exploration and peace, There would be no "marines" or otherwise dedicated military combatants with the exception of shipboard security. Use ENT as an example all you like, MACOs are earth military, and those were the days before the Federation existed. No single television show or movie has ever, repeat EVER, shown a dedicated military combat force serving on board a Federation vessel.
Where were the marines when Voyager got sucked into the Delta quadrant? Where was SEAL team 6 when the BORG boarded the Enterprise D? I hate to break it to you, they didn't exist.
Starfleet holds to it's ideals on being peaceful, and as such does not carry a contingent of warriors on board, sorry to break it to you.
But what about those forces Sisko found on DS9, you know the mission Nog lost his legs? Those are what we called GROUND FORCES, MILITARY FORCES.
and both Dr Bashir and Lieutenant Larkin explicitly stated that their health had sufferred as a result of the situation they were in.
I agree with everything else you said, but any ground force, from the National Guard to MARSOC (USMC Special Operations Command), is vulnerable to the mental and physical effects of the battlefield. The argument can be made that Marines receive better training (I firmly believe this, but I'm also biased and I don't want to turn this into a "this branch is better" debate), but better training just helps to keep you and your fellow marines/soldiers alive, it does not make you immune to mental and physical illness.
No. Starfleet is an organization based on exploration and peace, There would be no "marines" or otherwise dedicated military combatants with the exception of shipboard security. Use ENT as an example all you like, MACOs are earth military, and those were the days before the Federation existed. No single television show or movie has ever, repeat EVER, shown a dedicated military combat force serving on board a Federation vessel.
Where were the marines when Voyager got sucked into the Delta quadrant? Where was SEAL team 6 when the BORG boarded the Enterprise D? I hate to break it to you, they didn't exist.
Starfleet holds to it's ideals on being peaceful, and as such does not carry a contingent of warriors on board, sorry to break it to you.
But what about those forces Sisko found on DS9, you know the mission Nog lost his legs? Those are what we called GROUND FORCES, MILITARY FORCES.
Again, I don't agree that the AR-558 personel were Marines. They had no special equipment, no special clothing (heck, they were wearing vests!), had Starfleet ranks and both Dr Bashir and Lieutenant Larkin explicitly stated that their health had sufferred as a result of the situation they were in. And they were NEVER referred to as 'Marines'.
Here's the problem. Most base the term Marine off of the US Marines. I'm going to let you in on a little secret since I AM a US Marine. Know the only real difference between a US Soldier and a US Marine. A uniform and esprit de corps. THAT'S IT.
My drill instructor even told me this once ad it's true. Only reason the US Marine Corps exists as a separate branch, is because the US people want it so. The US Army is capable of doing our job. Infact a few times the Corps almost got absorbed by the Army. Hell Like I stated only difference between a French soldier and a French marine, is the fact a marine is stationed on a ship and part of a specific unit that is designated to be marines. Other than that, same uniform, rank structure, answer to the same chains of command.
Marine when boiled down is a FUNCTION. Fighting from a ship to some other place. That's it. So those soldiers on the grounds, were indeed serving the functions as marines.
Hell the Army divisions assaulting Omaha and Utah beach, serving in the Marine function.
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No. Starfleet is an organization based on exploration and peace, There would be no "marines" or otherwise dedicated military combatants with the exception of shipboard security. Use ENT as an example all you like, MACOs are earth military, and those were the days before the Federation existed. No single television show or movie has ever, repeat EVER, shown a dedicated military combat force serving on board a Federation vessel.
Where were the marines when Voyager got sucked into the Delta quadrant? Where was SEAL team 6 when the BORG boarded the Enterprise D? I hate to break it to you, they didn't exist.
Starfleet holds to it's ideals on being peaceful, and as such does not carry a contingent of warriors on board, sorry to break it to you.
But what about those forces Sisko found on DS9, you know the mission Nog lost his legs? Those are what we called GROUND FORCES, MILITARY FORCES.
Again, I don't agree that the AR-558 personel were Marines. They had no special equipment, no special clothing (heck, they were wearing vests!), had Starfleet ranks and both Dr Bashir and Lieutenant Larkin explicitly stated that their health had sufferred as a result of the situation they were in. And they were NEVER referred to as 'Marines'.
And why would they need to be called marines specifically? Its a human term. They obviously knew how to fight and were trained for combat situations making them trained soldiers. I do find it funny that they aren't wearing any sort of combat armor in the shows/movies. The shear idea of fighting a war or boarding enemy ships or going to an unknown planet/place, etc and not providing your people with armor or some protection like that is ridiculous just as the idea that an organization such as federation wouldn't have soldiers and warships.
IIRC, Gene Roddenberry looked to the US Coast Guard as the analog for Star Fleet. That doen't mean he lifted the entirety of the Coasties and grafted it onto the Federation, just that he wanted a less-military military.
A quick read about the Coast Guard on wikipedia illustrates how they operate apart from the rest of the military, until time of war, when they can be placed under the authority of the Department of Defence/Navy.
While the Coast Guard doesn't have marines, they have personell who perform the same function. Just so in Star Fleet. What they are called is probably not as important as what they do.
If Starfleet was PURELY about peaceful exploration, then none of their ships would have weapons or even a military rank structure. I believe Archer was rather vocal about not wanting to have weapons installed on his ship, although he later changed his mind when the Elachi showed up.
The XINDI. not the Elachi..
Actually, he had Trip install the phase cannons because they were under attack by the Elachi. They had not been installed previously because they had launched earlier than scheduled due to the events of the pilot episode.
The Xindi incident resulted in additional weapons being installed, and Maco's were not stationed on board until then either, so you are partially correct.
Oh you mean that ship which looked like a S'lgoth.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I need to let this argument play through the intercom on my qin heavy raptor. I'm sure my warriors would get a good laugh out of this. Ah the Federation, arguing over a job title and whether or not anyone does it for them.
The answer is yes, I have Imperial Marines aboard my vessel. The Empire and the Republic are doing this for the Federation now, due to the alliance. You Feds are always to busy with your red tape and arguing to get anything done.
And before you say we the Federation has more in terms of numbers. As players, yes. But, for the story line, it doesn't matter if there are 10 million fed players, they all count as 1 ship and 1 Captain. So just sit back, hide behind us and argue over shirt color, you seem to be good at it. The Empire with kill these big, bad monsters for you.
I need to let this argument play through the intercom on my qin heavy raptor. I'm sure my warriors would get a good laugh out of this. Ah the Federation, arguing over a job title and whether or not anyone does it for them.
The answer is yes, I have Imperial Marines aboard my vessel. The Empire and the Republic are doing this for the Federation now, due to the alliance. You Feds are always to busy with your red tape and arguing to get anything done.
And before you say we the Federation has more in terms of numbers. As players, yes. But, for the story line, it doesn't matter if there are 10 million fed players, they all count as 1 ship and 1 Captain. So just sit back, hide behind us and argue over shirt color, you seem to be good at it. The Empire with kill these big, bad monsters for you.
I have 3 mains, My Fed main merely shakes his head and orders his marines to combat. My KDF orion is laughing hysterically and my Rom Main is merely shaking his head and sighing going "freaking pacifists".
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Here's a quick thought: Look at Tasha Yar, and especially Worf. Their ground combat focuses, elite level combat skills, supreme loyalties to the Service and by extension the UFP, willingness to give up their lives in an instant for their comrades, etc. etc. would have made "classic" Marines - if Starfleet felt that the distinction was still necessary.
Instead, it seems that all the "classic" Marine traits are ingrained into all "Tactical Branch" Officers - from the lowly TOS "redshirts" that never made it home from their first away team with the senior staff to those who hold "high rank" on Starships (Early Riker and his "Captains don't go planetside anymore, let me risk my life in your place, I know what I'm doing more than you do" attitude).
And it saves on "rank structure confusion". Captain Worf, SFMC from season 3 (when he made O3) till Generations (when he was promoted to "Major" Worf, O4)?
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Here's a quick thought: Look at Tasha Yar, and especially Worf. Their ground combat focuses, elite level combat skills, supreme loyalties to the Service and by extension the UFP, willingness to give up their lives in an instant for their comrades, etc. etc. would have made "classic" Marines - if Starfleet felt that the distinction was still necessary.
Instead, it seems that all the "classic" Marine traits are ingrained into all "Tactical Branch" Officers - from the lowly TOS "redshirts" that never made it home from their first away team with the senior staff to those who hold "high rank" on Starships (Early Riker and his "Captains don't go planetside anymore, let me risk my life in your place, I know what I'm doing more than you do" attitude).
And it saves on "rank structure confusion". Captain Worf, SFMC from season 3 (when he made O3) till Generations (when he was promoted to "Major" Worf, O4)?
This is a pretty good explaination but I would say it extends to -All- officers to varying degrees.
Every starfleet officer is trained with the same moral code and is given courses on self defense.
I know all of my characters regardless of career are more than capable of handling themselves in combat situations, with the same distinction as a marine if need be.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
My main as a tactical officer has the defense of the Federation and her ship as her primary goals, and therefore her ships are all geared towards warfare. Thus she has Marines, and other types of specialized combatants on board.
I need to let this argument play through the intercom on my qin heavy raptor. I'm sure my warriors would get a good laugh out of this. Ah the Federation, arguing over a job title and whether or not anyone does it for them.
The answer is yes, I have Imperial Marines aboard my vessel. The Empire and the Republic are doing this for the Federation now, due to the alliance. You Feds are always to busy with your red tape and arguing to get anything done.
And before you say we the Federation has more in terms of numbers. As players, yes. But, for the story line, it doesn't matter if there are 10 million fed players, they all count as 1 ship and 1 Captain. So just sit back, hide behind us and argue over shirt color, you seem to be good at it. The Empire with kill these big, bad monsters for you.
Imperial Marines huh? Seems to me there's a HUGE difference between Marines and undisciplined, warmongering, ridge-headed barbarians, so idk how KDF could have anything that would be considered a Marine Corps.
Marine in the sense of troops defined for 'amphibious' (in this case, orbit-to-ground) assault to secure positions? I'm sure I have some security officers specialized for those operations, and at least some equipment for larger-scale operations on even the more science-based ships, but honestly, it always seems the bridge crew seems to handle these on their own
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All starfleet officers are trained to be able to defend themselves, and can fight when/if need be. This is not something unique to tactical or security careers.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I don't have marines aboard my ships, I have specially trained assault teams picked from the best and most intelligent officers under my personal command
Actually technially the term marine is a person who fights from the sea(or in this case space) and fights on either another ship or ashore on hostile territory. Example French Marines. They are not their own separate branch. They are simply French Soldiers who serve in Marine Regiments and go aboard ship.
So you can call them specially trained assault teams, but they still serve the same function as Marines. Marine is a function as much as a title.
Mine are more like special forces
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No. Starfleet is an organization based on exploration and peace, There would be no "marines" or otherwise dedicated military combatants with the exception of shipboard security. Use ENT as an example all you like, MACOs are earth military, and those were the days before the Federation existed. No single television show or movie has ever, repeat EVER, shown a dedicated military combat force serving on board a Federation vessel.
Where were the marines when Voyager got sucked into the Delta quadrant? Where was SEAL team 6 when the BORG boarded the Enterprise D? I hate to break it to you, they didn't exist.
Starfleet holds to it's ideals on being peaceful, and as such does not carry a contingent of warriors on board, sorry to break it to you.
Ideally yes. But as we have learned that isn't always possible. Hell, Archer was hell bent on abandoning his mission and going home to get cannons installed on his ship after a few run ins. Having some soldiers on board seems like the safe move.
I think of the whole concept of having Archer struggle with having to house both regular starfleet security officers and MACO is a political brainwashing attempt in case martial law would be enacted to have fewer people resist it, as with greater inclusion of military alongside law enforcement officers, and no doubt a successful one as the majority of people will believe anything that's fed through them by some puppet in office and what's said on TV.
That aside, yes I would definitely have MACO or Marines or whatever on my exploration vessel in addition to regular security officers since any initial exploration and survey missions by definition will encounter not only environmental dangers and other tricky situations requiring the discernment of trained officers, but also armed conflict.
As to what ship class these MACO would be on for some deep space exploration mission, I'm not sure yet since any choice would have its advantages and disadvantages, including dreadnoughts.
I need to let this argument play through the intercom on my qin heavy raptor. I'm sure my warriors would get a good laugh out of this. Ah the Federation, arguing over a job title and whether or not anyone does it for them.
The answer is yes, I have Imperial Marines aboard my vessel. The Empire and the Republic are doing this for the Federation now, due to the alliance. You Feds are always to busy with your red tape and arguing to get anything done.
And before you say we the Federation has more in terms of numbers. As players, yes. But, for the story line, it doesn't matter if there are 10 million fed players, they all count as 1 ship and 1 Captain. So just sit back, hide behind us and argue over shirt color, you seem to be good at it. The Empire with kill these big, bad monsters for you.
I have 3 mains, My Fed main merely shakes his head and orders his marines to combat. My KDF orion is laughing hysterically and my Rom Main is merely shaking his head and sighing going "freaking pacifists".
This is a pretty good explaination but I would say it extends to -All- officers to varying degrees.
Every starfleet officer is trained with the same moral code and is given courses on self defense.
I know all of my characters regardless of career are more than capable of handling themselves in combat situations, with the same distinction as a marine if need be.
Exactly. Every Starfleet personnel, from starship Captain to Maintenance Engineers or Botanists join Starfleet not only because of their explorative drive and passion for what they do but also to help to serve and protect the UFP. There are departments naturally more focused on combat (Tactical, Security) but everyone wearing a Starfleet Uniform has varying degrees of combat and crisis training, some more and some less just like there are Detectives in the police that aren't that firm in shooting a gun but excellent in their detective work and SWATs on the other end of the spectrum.
The security branch is more than capable of supplementing people with different specializations and medical, engineers or command crew can very well be trained to be part of Hazard Teams if need be.
Starfleet is also the military arm of the UFP. But they're not soldiers nor militaries (both canonically citable in these very words). The only one considering himself a soldier was Kirk and I am at this point believing he meant that metaphorically.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Of course the Federation is Military based! If there is anything that JJ-Trek got right is that, that one Admiral dude wanted a more Militarized Starfleet.
Also, guys we actually do have MACOS on our ships, or in other words Marines. This is STO Cannon, I'm pretty sure anyway. Go play Viscus Cycle again, an Undine PvE.
So yeah...
MACOs were on board our ships for that mission yes. the question is not DO we have MACOs on our ships, it is rather, when do we have MACOs on our ships.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Oh one other thing, the Marines on my ship have been trained to use the PROPER position of attention in all appropriate situations, not that sloppy half attention/half parade rest thing starfleet officers use in STO.
Oh one other thing, the Marines on my ship have been trained to use the PROPER position of attention in all appropriate situations, not that sloppy half attention/half parade rest thing starfleet officers use in STO.
starfleet had a starfleet marine service. you need a dedicated ground force when the time comes in urban warfare seperate from starship security and personnel. siege of ar-558 was not the only case now i think of it.
But there's no hint that is anything other than Starfleet officer just doing their thing. Why do you need a special branch for that? In TOS: Arena Redshirts beamed down in ana ctive combat zone where heavy weapons were used, likewise heavy weapons are operated by Security in the AR.
Not disregarding that there are specialised teams within Starfleet Tactical as that was never explored, but there's no indication of any specialised combat branch.
and yet you can not explain the uniforms or what their purpose is.
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Actually he ran into the Elachi before he even was aware of the Xindi.
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Actually, he had Trip install the phase cannons because they were under attack by the Elachi. They had not been installed previously because they had launched earlier than scheduled due to the events of the pilot episode.
The Xindi incident resulted in additional weapons being installed, and Maco's were not stationed on board until then either, so you are partially correct.
I agree with everything else you said, but any ground force, from the National Guard to MARSOC (USMC Special Operations Command), is vulnerable to the mental and physical effects of the battlefield. The argument can be made that Marines receive better training (I firmly believe this, but I'm also biased and I don't want to turn this into a "this branch is better" debate), but better training just helps to keep you and your fellow marines/soldiers alive, it does not make you immune to mental and physical illness.
Here's the problem. Most base the term Marine off of the US Marines. I'm going to let you in on a little secret since I AM a US Marine. Know the only real difference between a US Soldier and a US Marine. A uniform and esprit de corps. THAT'S IT.
My drill instructor even told me this once ad it's true. Only reason the US Marine Corps exists as a separate branch, is because the US people want it so. The US Army is capable of doing our job. Infact a few times the Corps almost got absorbed by the Army. Hell Like I stated only difference between a French soldier and a French marine, is the fact a marine is stationed on a ship and part of a specific unit that is designated to be marines. Other than that, same uniform, rank structure, answer to the same chains of command.
Marine when boiled down is a FUNCTION. Fighting from a ship to some other place. That's it. So those soldiers on the grounds, were indeed serving the functions as marines.
Hell the Army divisions assaulting Omaha and Utah beach, serving in the Marine function.
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And why would they need to be called marines specifically? Its a human term. They obviously knew how to fight and were trained for combat situations making them trained soldiers. I do find it funny that they aren't wearing any sort of combat armor in the shows/movies. The shear idea of fighting a war or boarding enemy ships or going to an unknown planet/place, etc and not providing your people with armor or some protection like that is ridiculous just as the idea that an organization such as federation wouldn't have soldiers and warships.
A quick read about the Coast Guard on wikipedia illustrates how they operate apart from the rest of the military, until time of war, when they can be placed under the authority of the Department of Defence/Navy.
While the Coast Guard doesn't have marines, they have personell who perform the same function. Just so in Star Fleet. What they are called is probably not as important as what they do.
Oh you mean that ship which looked like a S'lgoth.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
The answer is yes, I have Imperial Marines aboard my vessel. The Empire and the Republic are doing this for the Federation now, due to the alliance. You Feds are always to busy with your red tape and arguing to get anything done.
And before you say we the Federation has more in terms of numbers. As players, yes. But, for the story line, it doesn't matter if there are 10 million fed players, they all count as 1 ship and 1 Captain. So just sit back, hide behind us and argue over shirt color, you seem to be good at it. The Empire with kill these big, bad monsters for you.
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I have 3 mains, My Fed main merely shakes his head and orders his marines to combat. My KDF orion is laughing hysterically and my Rom Main is merely shaking his head and sighing going "freaking pacifists".
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Here's a quick thought: Look at Tasha Yar, and especially Worf. Their ground combat focuses, elite level combat skills, supreme loyalties to the Service and by extension the UFP, willingness to give up their lives in an instant for their comrades, etc. etc. would have made "classic" Marines - if Starfleet felt that the distinction was still necessary.
Instead, it seems that all the "classic" Marine traits are ingrained into all "Tactical Branch" Officers - from the lowly TOS "redshirts" that never made it home from their first away team with the senior staff to those who hold "high rank" on Starships (Early Riker and his "Captains don't go planetside anymore, let me risk my life in your place, I know what I'm doing more than you do" attitude).
And it saves on "rank structure confusion".
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This is a pretty good explaination but I would say it extends to -All- officers to varying degrees.
Every starfleet officer is trained with the same moral code and is given courses on self defense.
I know all of my characters regardless of career are more than capable of handling themselves in combat situations, with the same distinction as a marine if need be.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
Imperial Marines huh? Seems to me there's a HUGE difference between Marines and undisciplined, warmongering, ridge-headed barbarians, so idk how KDF could have anything that would be considered a Marine Corps.
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"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Mine are more like special forces
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Ideally yes. But as we have learned that isn't always possible. Hell, Archer was hell bent on abandoning his mission and going home to get cannons installed on his ship after a few run ins. Having some soldiers on board seems like the safe move.
That aside, yes I would definitely have MACO or Marines or whatever on my exploration vessel in addition to regular security officers since any initial exploration and survey missions by definition will encounter not only environmental dangers and other tricky situations requiring the discernment of trained officers, but also armed conflict.
As to what ship class these MACO would be on for some deep space exploration mission, I'm not sure yet since any choice would have its advantages and disadvantages, including dreadnoughts.
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Exactly. Every Starfleet personnel, from starship Captain to Maintenance Engineers or Botanists join Starfleet not only because of their explorative drive and passion for what they do but also to help to serve and protect the UFP. There are departments naturally more focused on combat (Tactical, Security) but everyone wearing a Starfleet Uniform has varying degrees of combat and crisis training, some more and some less just like there are Detectives in the police that aren't that firm in shooting a gun but excellent in their detective work and SWATs on the other end of the spectrum.
The security branch is more than capable of supplementing people with different specializations and medical, engineers or command crew can very well be trained to be part of Hazard Teams if need be.
Starfleet is also the military arm of the UFP. But they're not soldiers nor militaries (both canonically citable in these very words). The only one considering himself a soldier was Kirk and I am at this point believing he meant that metaphorically.
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MACOs were on board our ships for that mission yes. the question is not DO we have MACOs on our ships, it is rather, when do we have MACOs on our ships.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Alpha-The standard ground forces
Bravo- The Federation equivalent of Seabees
Echo- Electronic warfare
Or in the tv and movies too LOL.
and yet you can not explain the uniforms or what their purpose is.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.