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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    jonsills wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    Another Bryan Fuller tidbit...

    http://www.treknews.net/2016/09/08/bryan-fuller-balance-of-terror-is-a-touchstone-for-the-star-trek-discovery-story-arc/

    Seems the Romulans may be a major part of this new series.

    B)
    Or they discover that the Romulans have found a way to hear sounds in space, so they have to be really quiet (one of the things that bugged me about "Balance of Terror" - ooh, we can't make noise or they'll hear us! Come on, guys, your ship is in vacuum - you could hold a dance party on the bridge and the Roms wouldn't know!).​​

    Perhaps, just maybe, it was more in the line of being extra careful not to touch anything that might send out a perceivable signal...
    (like Spock ended up doing)

    Most folks when being cautious, do tend to tone down their voice and act a bit subdued.

    The episode just over emphasized that (like most shows do) to get the point across to the audience.

    And it was written to emulate the idea of submarine warfare from WW II.

    Also, I really can't see the appeal in ripping apart a TV episode written 50 years ago, just to make a inconsequential point.
    B)
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,824 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    Also, I really can't see the appeal in ripping apart a TV episode written 50 years ago, just to make a inconsequential point.
    B)
    And you call yourself a Trekkie...

    :lol:​​
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,824 Arc User
    More seriously, though, I think he might be talking more about the feel of that episode - that there are things out there that are completely mysterious, and that we can't beat just by technobabbling the main framistat relay through the deflector dish.

    It's the cat-and-mouse that a lot of people remember, but there was also the new Romulan superweapon, that propagated so fast they had to back away at warp speed to avoid it. And the truly faceless enemy, because no one from Earth or any of her allies in that war had ever seen a Romulan and lived long enough to tell about it.​​
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 36,989 Arc User
    except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan​​
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan​​
    But did they know it was a Romulan? :p

    More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 36,989 Arc User
    except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan
    But did they know it was a Romulan? :p

    More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...

    yes, because t'pol told them it was​​
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan
    But did they know it was a Romulan? :p

    More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...

    Do they also account for the Bonaventure being the first ship with warp drive? The Romulans lacking warp, warp 14 (or the warp 100 or so that would be needed for ST:V)or The crew of the NX-01 suddenly shelving all their shiny spatial torpedoes and the nice new photon ones the Andorians gave them in favour of primitive nukes? Augments in the 90s?

    It's TOS, just ignore all but the story itself and the character interactions within. It's clear that's what every other writer did.​​
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan
    But did they know it was a Romulan? :p

    More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...

    Do they also account for the Bonaventure being the first ship with warp drive? The Romulans lacking warp, warp 14 (or the warp 100 or so that would be needed for ST:V)or The crew of the NX-01 suddenly shelving all their shiny spatial torpedoes and the nice new photon ones the Andorians gave them in favour of primitive nukes? Augments in the 90s?

    It's TOS, just ignore all but the story itself and the character interactions within. It's clear that's what every other writer did.​​
    Exactly... They were totally making it up as they went episode-to-episode, so Anything TOS should only be considered 'fact' if later series references it in some way...
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    They've changed the launch date to May 2017... a FIVE Month Delay...

    http://www.startrek.com/article/new-discovery-launch-date-may-2017

    Huummmmnnn....

    They must have big plans for the SP-Fx.

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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    We've waited this long. We can wait a little longer. Quality comes first. :)
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    daveyny wrote: »
    They've changed the launch date to May 2017... a FIVE Month Delay...

    http://www.startrek.com/article/new-discovery-launch-date-may-2017

    Huummmmnnn....

    They must have big plans for the SP-Fx.

    B)

    No, I think it's just likely that Bryan Fuller is drunk on Star Trek hype and forgot to get a cast in between the Discovery launch trailer and vague news articles about diversity and nonspecific ideas about what he "wants" to do with the show. It reminded me a lot of Perpetual with STO. Lots of ideas and concepts, but nothing of substance.

    I mean he went at long lengths talking about diversity for the new show, but pretty much admitted he hasn't cast anyone yet, which made his own sales pitch about diversity in Star Trek Discovery worthless. Pretty basic stuff one should have for a TV show that was supposed to be a few months out. I knew there was no way he could cast a show and start producing within such a short period of time.

    This delay shouldn't have come as a surprise to anybody.​​
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    They've changed the launch date to May 2017... a FIVE Month Delay...

    http://www.startrek.com/article/new-discovery-launch-date-may-2017

    Huummmmnnn....

    They must have big plans for the SP-Fx.

    B)

    No, I think it's just likely that Bryan Fuller is drunk on Star Trek hype and forgot to get a cast in between the Discovery launch trailer and vague news articles about diversity and nonspecific ideas about what he "wants" to do with the show. It reminded me a lot of Perpetual with STO. Lots of ideas and concepts, but nothing of substance.

    I mean he went at long lengths talking about diversity for the new show, but pretty much admitted he hasn't cast anyone yet, which made his own sales pitch about diversity in Star Trek Discovery worthless. Pretty basic stuff one should have for a TV show that was supposed to be a few months out. I knew there was no way he could cast a show and start producing within such a short period of time.

    This delay shouldn't have come as a surprise to anybody.​​

    ^^^This...
  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    We've waited this long. We can wait a little longer. Quality comes first. :)

    Since we know that there is a new Star Trek series starting, I do not mind waiting a few more months. I completely agree quality comes first. I prefer if they have the time to make it good they should use the time available. I also hope there may be another series that is transmitted along side Star Trek: Discovery or afterwards that is still set in the prime-universe and after Voyager/Nemesis. In between a year and 5 years.
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    iconians wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    They've changed the launch date to May 2017... a FIVE Month Delay...

    http://www.startrek.com/article/new-discovery-launch-date-may-2017

    Huummmmnnn....

    They must have big plans for the SP-Fx.

    B)

    No, I think it's just likely that Bryan Fuller is drunk on Star Trek hype and forgot to get a cast in between the Discovery launch trailer and vague news articles about diversity and nonspecific ideas about what he "wants" to do with the show. It reminded me a lot of Perpetual with STO. Lots of ideas and concepts, but nothing of substance.

    I mean he went at long lengths talking about diversity for the new show, but pretty much admitted he hasn't cast anyone yet, which made his own sales pitch about diversity in Star Trek Discovery worthless. Pretty basic stuff one should have for a TV show that was supposed to be a few months out. I knew there was no way he could cast a show and start producing within such a short period of time.

    This delay shouldn't have come as a surprise to anybody.​​

    Indeed.

    It does make me wonder, though, if they'll have all episodes filmed by launch. The old production schedule would have had filming continue on the final episodes of the season after the premiere to the viewing public. There are pros and cons either way, but filming everything beforehand preserves the creative team's vision, without "knee-jerk" reactions from the audience. The flip side is, of course, if there's something seriously wrong with the show, the writer's can't course-correct until season two.

    Also can't help but wonder if Fuller was waiting for a specific someone, and the delay could open up an actor/actress that would have otherwise been unavailable.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    mhall85 wrote: »
    iconians wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    They've changed the launch date to May 2017... a FIVE Month Delay...

    http://www.startrek.com/article/new-discovery-launch-date-may-2017

    Huummmmnnn....

    They must have big plans for the SP-Fx.

    B)

    No, I think it's just likely that Bryan Fuller is drunk on Star Trek hype and forgot to get a cast in between the Discovery launch trailer and vague news articles about diversity and nonspecific ideas about what he "wants" to do with the show. It reminded me a lot of Perpetual with STO. Lots of ideas and concepts, but nothing of substance.

    I mean he went at long lengths talking about diversity for the new show, but pretty much admitted he hasn't cast anyone yet, which made his own sales pitch about diversity in Star Trek Discovery worthless. Pretty basic stuff one should have for a TV show that was supposed to be a few months out. I knew there was no way he could cast a show and start producing within such a short period of time.

    This delay shouldn't have come as a surprise to anybody.​​

    Indeed.

    It does make me wonder, though, if they'll have all episodes filmed by launch. The old production schedule would have had filming continue on the final episodes of the season after the premiere to the viewing public. There are pros and cons either way, but filming everything beforehand preserves the creative team's vision, without "knee-jerk" reactions from the audience. The flip side is, of course, if there's something seriously wrong with the show, the writer's can't course-correct until season two.

    Also can't help but wonder if Fuller was waiting for a specific someone, and the delay could open up an actor/actress that would have otherwise been unavailable.

    I kinda wondered that also.

    Seemed kinda silly to go on about how diverse the cast will be and then not have anything solid to back it up within a reasonable time period.

    We might still get some major casting news out of the NYC Comic Con in a few weeks.
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  • suki36suki36 Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    I wonder if they will cast Rob Schneider as, a Warp Core
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    suki36 wrote: »
    I wonder if they will cast Rob Schneider as, a Warp Core

    You'll never believe what zany hijinx Rob Schneider will be up to when he realizes that being a Warp Core is a lot harder than it seems!​​
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    I only want to know one thing: WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING?! that ship is trash... even the original designer didn't settle for it when they did 'ST:The Movie'...

    as said elsewhere. junk. assembled from trash. I was hoping for a SHIPS, not leftover parts. :'(
  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    another thread about this, before I found this one about the same thing. Has a couple of videos about the issue, we've all likely seen by now:

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1222068/stdiscovery
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,304 Arc User
    wendysue53 wrote: »
    I only want to know one thing: WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING?! that ship is trash... even the original designer didn't settle for it when they did 'ST:The Movie'...

    as said elsewhere. junk. assembled from trash. I was hoping for a SHIPS, not leftover parts. :'(

    The ship design I don't think is final. I think it was chosen just to be a rough design so they had something to show for the trailer.

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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,672 Arc User
    suki36 wrote: »
    I wonder if they will cast Rob Schneider as, a Warp Core

    That clueless face he makes = Warp 3.
  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    suki36 wrote: »
    I wonder if they will cast Rob Schneider as, a Warp Core

    Ah, this is what true terror feels like. :p

    As to the delay - I'm not surprised, given the lack of casting acknowledgements, and only a teaser trailer without even some set concept photos, felt like preproduction was still really early.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I must have been picking up weird signals via my tinfoil hat, because somehow I always thought it was coming in May. I read "pushed back 5 months to May" and went 'huh?' :)

    We'll see what comes of it.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Interesting speculation in this FORBES article...

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillbarr/2016/09/15/star-trek-discovery-may-cbs-all-access/#7fd9322e36d5

    If I were ever to decide to subscribe, I'd most likely wait till all 13 episodes were on the service and then just pay either the $6 or $10 and binge watch it over a couple of days anyway.

    I'm curious to see if Netflix will add each episode as they premier, or wait and add the whole series to their sites overseas after it finishes it's run.
    If they add them one-by-one, it'll be a first for them.

    I'm also wondering if the five month delay is so that all the episodes can be finished and then given to Netflix as a complete package for their overseas services to broadcast.

    Wouldn't that be a real kick in the nads if North American viewers have to wait for it weekly, while other markets get it complete all at once.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    Ah, didn't know that.
    Never watched that show.
    huh.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Les Moonface gives us his version as to why the delay for Star Trek: Discovery...

    http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/star-trek-discovery-les-moonves-addresses-series-delay/



    This from the guy who let ENTERPRISE get cancelled, and at the time said Trek was dragging his company down.

    Now all of a sudden, TREK is "The Family Jewels"...

    What a ma-roooon.
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    Do you get the feeling that the STDiscovery trailer was made to poll for Fan reactions so that they could decide whether or not to toss the whole project out before they even make the first film? And that they made the ship so ugly to deliberately tilt that poll into the negative so that they could refuse to finish the project?

    If so, they succeeded.
  • lordrezeonlordrezeon Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    A lot of how they are handling Discovery feels like they have their finger in the wind trying to gauge what the audience wants before committing to anything.

    As for the networks sudden renewed interest in the franchise... they have always had a love/hate relationship with Star Trek. For some reason the whole idea of "science fiction" seems to be viewed as a dirty low brow form of entertainment to most TV/Film big shots. It is generally expensive to make and its concepts tend to fly right over the heads of network executives who tend to rely on short elevator pitches for their decision making. Despite all this Star Trek has generally been a reliable cash cow for them in the past, even if they look down on the franchise themselves.

    I'm honestly more worried that when the whole subscription thing inevitably undermines the viewership numbers they will blame the audience rather than themselves.
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