I don't hate the design per se... It just looks like a kitbash between a Klingon and Federation ship. If they downsized the secondary hull it might look better. The proportions seem off.
The shows producer Bryan Fuller has already stated that the rumor about the show being between Star Trek:VI and TNG is false.
And this new teaser seems to indicate it is more likely to be between Enterprise and TOS.
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It's not radically dissimilar to some Federation ships, I wouldn't say it looks Klingon. I would say it's ugly as all hell and I'm disappointed about it being TOS-y (TOSque?)
What isn't? Except maybe the NX-01 and Akira. Wow, those are ugly.
Take the NX or Akira over the Galaxy ANY day.
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If they want it to appeal to the populace on the whole (instead of just to TREK fans), it's got to have a mostly human crew with a sprinkling of Aliens added, in order for it to be relatable to the general public.
Also, IF it takes place in the period between ENTERPRISE and TOS, having anything but a mostly human crew would be problematic.
True, I was exxaggerating a bit. But at least having more than one alien on the senior staff would be a huge improvement over most other shows.
And of course the ability to relate to it is important, but it would be nice if Earth and humanity could be portrayed as not being the single most important thing in the Federation for a change nevertheless.
I just hated how Earth is always considered to be vital to the Federation's survival (or the home of everyone in the Federation like Janeway sometimes seemed to think) and even to the other powers' survival in some cases, while the loss of a planet like Vulcan seemingly doesn't matter all that much.
Hopefully, Discovery will present us with new cultures and worlds that bring some welcome change to Earth's and human domination of the franchise. You don't need to prominently feature humans and Earth to discuss human nature or some aspect of humans after all. Although it is my understanding that a more subtle approach shouldn't be expected but I may be wrong here.
I hope it's their "lower" cheeks that are marked thusly, I truly dislike the constant whining about it.
I get that they don't care for the design, but the incessant "krap-talk" has become extremely annoying.
(and yes, I am looking at you Crash...)
* closes curtains *
Wish he'd stick to hiding in the bushes across the street with binoculars like the others.
Too late, I've already got video and stills...
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Well... that is an ugly ship. I don't think it looks ugly in a bad way though (like the Galaxy does); I mean, it's ugly, but it's not stupid. It kinda works in it's own odd and unpretentious sort of way.
I do think the pylons should turn up at the ends though; I really feel that a ship with a neck should have elevated nacelles to balance out the design.
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It's also possible that this was an attempt to match the Klingon D-6 cruiser by building a ship with swiped designs, similar to the reason why the Soviet Tu-22M "Backfire" bomber looks a lot like a USAF B-58 Hustler. (However, the Soviets didn't continue to evolve their designs - at least, I haven't seen a Soviet-era bomber that looks like a B-1B Spirit. They stuck more to the slower, more-heavily-armed Bear, just as we used the old B-52s as our bombing workhorse.)
One might expect the crew to learn about the limitations of the design over the course of the first season, leading to a redesign in the following seasons. After all, the Daedelus-class is canon, but its design doesn't look much like a Connie unless you squint really hard...
And I think y'all are reading too much into a sound effect. It sounds to me more like a dramatic "swoosh" as the logo sweeps into place. (Incidentally, if the logo means anything but branding, it looks like they're abandoning Roddenberry's original conceit that each ship had its own badge. Instead, the lopsided arrowhead may be "standard Starfleet insignia". We'll see, of course.)
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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"Also, this Discovery ship looks different. And I want to know why. Which means I want to know a lot more about the show. Maybe we find out exactly why IN the show? In an episode or two. Won't that be exciting?"
This sums it up perfectly. Its got a basic Starfleet design, saucer, pylons, nacelles, but its looks really different in other ways, and has elements of Klingon and Cardassian design. Others say it reminds them of this phase II designs.
Some think they heard the ship cloaking at the end.
And some think the NCC-1031 means its dated to between Enterprise and TOS, others think late TOS, and some people still think between Undiscovered Country and TNG despite what Brian said. Me I think its not era based at all, its got a low number compared to later eras because its not strickly just Starfleet ship, its also KDF, and maybe Cardassian and other groups, a joint effort ship, so its a lower number because its in a seperate ship line from strickly Starfleet vessels.
I could be wrong.
So its already building mystery to it, the design is making people curious, its not just strange, its strange in ways that lend themselves to hints at various possiblities.
everyone talking about how "ugly" the Discovery is will warm up to it over time.
what is your malfunction? no, "everyone" is not going to change their mind. there is nothing wrong with not liking something.
True. But some posters pretty much don't like everything about Star Trek. And continually post about how they hate x, y AND z.
Not sure why they bother with Trek anymore. The stuff they like is available on Netflix. And the entire franchise is moving onward from all that (both in the new films that they so aggressively hate as well as now the new television show that they seem to just as aggressively hate). There's no real need to participate in the fandom or the community at this point since their tastes are frozen in amber.
Okay, because I've seen so many people complaining about this in this thread (which means they haven't read the article fully), the CGI in the trailer IS NOT FINISHED! It says this right underneath the trailer in the article. This was likely just to get something out for comic con. Every studio does it.
Secondly (and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt since it does say this was edited into the article after it went live), the Discovery's design is also NOT FINAL! They may change it. Personally, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the design. Artistically, I like it. It's something bold, different, yet familiar. At the same time, that design was rejected because it looked too much like a Star Destroyer.
On another note, don't be too hasty to dismiss the Registry numbers. Classes are usually named after whichever ship is launched first. Registry numbers are likely the equivalent of Hull or Pennant numbers, which means they're assigned to a ship during construction. That means NCC-1614 could have been laid down before NCC-1700, but because NCC-1700 launches first, NCC-1700 becomes the lead ship of the class. It's happened before in real-world navies where the ship laid down first doesn't launch first. Also, it's not always true that the first ship launched is the namesake of the class (see the Lion-Class or the Revenge-Class Battleships of the Royal Navy). In terms of design, I'd place this ship as either pre-TOS or post TUC. With the registry number, I'm leaning towards pre-TOS.
Anybody else notice that the asteroid base in the teaser is also based on a design of McQuarrie's...
It seems that JJ (The Force Awakens) isn't the only one going back to a 70's design ideal for new productions.
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That's a horrible looking ship. It makes me wonder two things, why did they base the design off of 40 year old concept art that was also horrible looking, and will the laziness that it seems to show to me also apply to the rest of the show?
Certainly doesn't make me curious for the in universe reason for the horrible design. No problem with the quality of the CGI, it's early test footage, but the entire ship itself should be shelved.
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I like that they made the Grand Nagus' thread the anchor though...
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saying "it's not done yet" or "the design isn't final" or any other excuse is all just BS. if something isn't done, or doesn't look good...don't release it yet. but if you DO decide to pump out TRIBBLE just to meet a deadline, then you deserve every bit of hate you get for how it looks. the "first impression" of this show will always been "that ship is ugly". and thats their fault for giving people a low quality presentation.
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And this new teaser seems to indicate it is more likely to be between Enterprise and TOS.
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What isn't? Except maybe the NX-01 and Akira. Wow, those are ugly.
Take the NX or Akira over the Galaxy ANY day.
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True, I was exxaggerating a bit. But at least having more than one alien on the senior staff would be a huge improvement over most other shows.
And of course the ability to relate to it is important, but it would be nice if Earth and humanity could be portrayed as not being the single most important thing in the Federation for a change nevertheless.
I just hated how Earth is always considered to be vital to the Federation's survival (or the home of everyone in the Federation like Janeway sometimes seemed to think) and even to the other powers' survival in some cases, while the loss of a planet like Vulcan seemingly doesn't matter all that much.
Hopefully, Discovery will present us with new cultures and worlds that bring some welcome change to Earth's and human domination of the franchise. You don't need to prominently feature humans and Earth to discuss human nature or some aspect of humans after all. Although it is my understanding that a more subtle approach shouldn't be expected but I may be wrong here.
Too late, I've already got video and stills...
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I do think the pylons should turn up at the ends though; I really feel that a ship with a neck should have elevated nacelles to balance out the design.
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One might expect the crew to learn about the limitations of the design over the course of the first season, leading to a redesign in the following seasons. After all, the Daedelus-class is canon, but its design doesn't look much like a Connie unless you squint really hard...
And I think y'all are reading too much into a sound effect. It sounds to me more like a dramatic "swoosh" as the logo sweeps into place. (Incidentally, if the logo means anything but branding, it looks like they're abandoning Roddenberry's original conceit that each ship had its own badge. Instead, the lopsided arrowhead may be "standard Starfleet insignia". We'll see, of course.)
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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This sums it up perfectly. Its got a basic Starfleet design, saucer, pylons, nacelles, but its looks really different in other ways, and has elements of Klingon and Cardassian design. Others say it reminds them of this phase II designs.
Some think they heard the ship cloaking at the end.
And some think the NCC-1031 means its dated to between Enterprise and TOS, others think late TOS, and some people still think between Undiscovered Country and TNG despite what Brian said. Me I think its not era based at all, its got a low number compared to later eras because its not strickly just Starfleet ship, its also KDF, and maybe Cardassian and other groups, a joint effort ship, so its a lower number because its in a seperate ship line from strickly Starfleet vessels.
I could be wrong.
So its already building mystery to it, the design is making people curious, its not just strange, its strange in ways that lend themselves to hints at various possiblities.
No is going to use DIS but goody two shoes. TRIBBLE is already out there, and its way funner.
Haters are going to use it as an insult and fans will use it as a funny in joke.
True. But some posters pretty much don't like everything about Star Trek. And continually post about how they hate x, y AND z.
Not sure why they bother with Trek anymore. The stuff they like is available on Netflix. And the entire franchise is moving onward from all that (both in the new films that they so aggressively hate as well as now the new television show that they seem to just as aggressively hate). There's no real need to participate in the fandom or the community at this point since their tastes are frozen in amber.
Secondly (and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt since it does say this was edited into the article after it went live), the Discovery's design is also NOT FINAL! They may change it. Personally, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the design. Artistically, I like it. It's something bold, different, yet familiar. At the same time, that design was rejected because it looked too much like a Star Destroyer.
On another note, don't be too hasty to dismiss the Registry numbers. Classes are usually named after whichever ship is launched first. Registry numbers are likely the equivalent of Hull or Pennant numbers, which means they're assigned to a ship during construction. That means NCC-1614 could have been laid down before NCC-1700, but because NCC-1700 launches first, NCC-1700 becomes the lead ship of the class. It's happened before in real-world navies where the ship laid down first doesn't launch first. Also, it's not always true that the first ship launched is the namesake of the class (see the Lion-Class or the Revenge-Class Battleships of the Royal Navy). In terms of design, I'd place this ship as either pre-TOS or post TUC. With the registry number, I'm leaning towards pre-TOS.
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It seems that JJ (The Force Awakens) isn't the only one going back to a 70's design ideal for new productions.
(wow, the merge threw me for a moment there)
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Certainly doesn't make me curious for the in universe reason for the horrible design. No problem with the quality of the CGI, it's early test footage, but the entire ship itself should be shelved.
I like that they made the Grand Nagus' thread the anchor though...
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