I never embarrassed myself. I was accused of it. And it was solely because I hadn't made my mind about it at the time and I got grief because of it. And even after that I still support Axanar. And I like JJ Trek, TNG, and Voyager.
A Canadian calling a basketball hoop a ring is embarrassing.
An orange billionaire is an embarrassment.
Some people would call JJ Trek an embarrassment or calling Star Trek Into Darkness a Star Trek film is embarrassing. Doesn't mean they are right. And I don't care to argue upon it with you.
The problem most people seem to have with your opinion with regards to Axanar, is you don't really support it. Despite the mound of evidence people have shown you, you continue to feel Alec Peters is not in the wrong.
I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but I don't understand it. How you can read all the particulars of the case, and still feel that CBS/Paramount is unfairly targeting Alec Peters, or this has anything to do with them being worried about ST Beyond or the new series, is baffling to me.
By all means, have your opinion, share the particulars of why you feel that way. I welcome the discussion, even if I don't agree with you. But accusing others of mere blind hatred, given all they have stated does no one, even yourself, any favors.
Edit: Deleted. I decided to remove this because it will just encourage more arguing. I still stand firm to my opinion. If anyone has a problem with me giving "good-will" to Axanar and it's crew. I am sorry, but that's my decision. You can't justify to me all the naming of "Justice Social Warrior" or being an "embarrassment" because you take offence for me supporting a company you despise.
And apologise for allowing it to continue.
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Alec Peters is a criminal whether you want to admit it or not, nothing you say will ever change the facts here. That is the blunt fact of this matter.
Not quite. The court will decide whether Alec Peters has broken copyright law. Until then, he's innocent until proven guilty.
Granted, he's not exactly helping himself as far as proving guilt is concerned (everybody and their cat can tell he's used Star Trek copyright without a license or authorisation), but criminality is for the Judge to decide. Until then, he is a defendant, not a criminal.
I look forward to the trial with anticipation so I can officially start calling him a criminal.
If you want me to say I agree with you and twist my words. I can't stop you. But please leave me out of it. I have already said I supported Axanar. I am not obligated to prove to you or anyone else that I "really" support it. Please don't tell me how I really think and at the same time say you value different opinions. I commented that some felt angry at Alex Peters and Axanar, So I never accused anyone of "blind hatred". You already said so yourselves you were angry. Someone even called him a "evasive and piece of s**t".
And, no I politely don't want to discuss it further anymore. Linking me videos and shouting at me for not agreeing with you isn't my idea of a discussion.
That's what I thought. But apparently it doesn't apply here. I'll wait until it's resolved in court, but I guess that's not enough for some people to understand. And so far this whole situation reminds me of The Drumhead Trial.
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Seeing the verbal 'fist-fight' between several people here - can we tone it down a bit? I'd rather have to not to close the thread. Remember, there's no winner-prize here for being "right", this is not a competition, but a discussion. Keep it nice and civil, please.
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I loved the 70s BSG. The cylons had more personality and in my opinion looked better. "By you command!" That legal dispute was ridiculous though. I think those two had a habit of suing each other frequently. I wasn't aware that the actual show was cancelled because of it. I was too young then.
It wasn't. It was cancelled because it had too few ratings (which was because ABC moved it to a time slot where they knew nobody would watch it).
Actually - the ratings were decent; BUT the show (at the time) was so expensive to make; ABC attempted to retool the premise into what became "Galactica 1980" - which overall didn't cost that much less AND got TERRIBLE ratings past the pilot episode broadcast.
But yeah, the Lucas lawsuit had zero to do with BSG1978's cancellation.
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If you want me to say I agree with you and twist my words. I can't stop you. But please leave me out of it. I have already said I supported Axanar. I am not obligated to prove to you or anyone else that I "really" support it. Please don't tell me how I really think and at the same time say you value different opinions. I commented that some felt angry at Alex Peters and Axanar, So I never accused anyone of "blind hatred". You already said so yourselves you were angry. Someone even called him a "evasive and piece of s**t".
And, no I politely don't want to discuss it further anymore. Linking me videos and shouting at me for not agreeing with you isn't my idea of a discussion.
That's what I thought. But apparently it doesn't apply here. I'll wait until it's resolved in court, but I guess that's not enough for some people to understand. And so far this whole situation reminds me of The Drumhead Trial.
"They'd sit at it and dispense summary justice. Decisions were quick, punishments severe; appeals denied." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
I did, because Alec Peters was evasive of the points put to him. Had you bothered to watch the pod-cast, you would have seen that for yourself and thus understand the commentary his behaviour drew, but God forbid you actually bother to bring yourself up to date with the particulars of the situation... Someone who scams and pan-handles to get money is a piece of s**t, so I stand by that judgement of him. And while you may not have used the phrase "blind hatred", you did criticise the discussion (which highlighted your ignorance of the subject) as 'toxic'. You said two days ago that you didn't want to participate in the conversation further: You clearly haven't brought yourself up to speed with everything which has heen discussed, so why don't don't you just follow your own repeated statement and go away...
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what part of jodarkrider's post above did you not see? when a MOD tells you to stop, you do NOT continue to violate forum rules
Oh, you want to play mini-mod? That's a TOS violation too! I don't feel jodarkrider's comment was aimed at my comments, which were perfectly valid. I don't like trolls, and terranempire is clearly trolling, clearly fishing for responses from anyone, and clearly not going to leave a conversation they have repeatedly claimed to have no further interest in. As someone who was enjoying the ongoing discussion, and had kept up to date with it, I don't see any reason why I should not remind terranempire of their claim to be leaving the thread, nor pointing out the factual errors in their statements. Why should I just ignore someone who directs sly comments at me when the moderating staff are doing nothing to deal with an obvious troll with a TOS violating avatar? Why should I ignore that?? What gives them the right to make nonsense comments and then cry victim when corrected with the facts of the case as we currently know them? BS on that...
The hilarious bit of all of this is the parallel with what Richard Hatch attempted with the BSG IP.
I'd never heard of that, but as someone who enjoyed the original BSG (and never watched an episode of NuBSG) I can honestly say that that gets my interest as a project
The hilarious bit of all of this is the parallel with what Richard Hatch attempted with the BSG IP.
I'd never heard of that, but as someone who enjoyed the original BSG (and never watched an episode of NuBSG) I can honestly say that that gets my interest as a project
If you never watched the BSG remake, you seriously missed out, that show will always be in my top 5 favorite shows of all time. I will admit though that I haven't seen much of the original, mostly for the same reasons I never watched TOS until the remaster (and even then I've only watched a handful of episodes).
Marcus, Peter David has a two-tier system for dealing with that on his blog. He is proud of never actually deleting any responses to his posts, no matter how offensive; his first tier of response is to "shroud" the offender, never actually reading anything more that they have to say nor responding to it in any way. (The name came from an early episode of the TV show The Paper Chase, in which the professor's response to one student purposely asking stupid questions was to walk up to him, drape a sheet over him, and proceed to ignore him for the remainder of the class.) Tier two is "disemvowelment" - he or his webmaster will go through the responses of a Tier-2 offender and remove all of the vowels from every word. You can still figure out what was said, if you want to go through that much effort... Personally, I've subjected Terr to shrouding. He can say whatever he wants, I'm not going to read it any more because life is too short for that.
And I concur with evilmark - by avoiding NuBSG, you missed one hell of a show. (Okay, you also missed about half of the second season when executive meddling gave us several episodes that tried to ignore the story arc, and the fourth-season episode "The Woman King", but those were the exceptions, not the norm.) You should try to catch up on it - in episode order if possible, otherwise you might find yourself wondering how Helo got back from Caprica and why nobody seems to see this hot blonde in the red dress wandering around.
Marcus, Peter David has a two-tier system for dealing with that on his blog. He is proud of never actually deleting any responses to his posts, no matter how offensive; his first tier of response is to "shroud" the offender, never actually reading anything more that they have to say nor responding to it in any way. (The name came from an early episode of the TV show The Paper Chase, in which the professor's response to one student purposely asking stupid questions was to walk up to him, drape a sheet over him, and proceed to ignore him for the remainder of the class.) Tier two is "disemvowelment" - he or his webmaster will go through the responses of a Tier-2 offender and remove all of the vowels from every word. You can still figure out what was said, if you want to go through that much effort... Personally, I've subjected Terr to shrouding. He can say whatever he wants, I'm not going to read it any more because life is too short for that.
I'd not heard of that system, but I whole-heartedly approve I guess I just have less ability to ignore the deliberately-incorrect (ie complaining about a video being posted which would explain the ire pretty well, and then posting a video as well ) But indeed, I shall do likewise
And I concur with evilmark - by avoiding NuBSG, you missed one hell of a show. (Okay, you also missed about half of the second season when executive meddling gave us several episodes that tried to ignore the story arc, and the fourth-season episode "The Woman King", but those were the exceptions, not the norm.) You should try to catch up on it - in episode order if possible, otherwise you might find yourself wondering how Helo got back from Caprica and why nobody seems to see this hot blonde in the red dress wandering around.
The hilarious bit of all of this is the parallel with what Richard Hatch attempted with the BSG IP.
I'd never heard of that, but as someone who enjoyed the original BSG (and never watched an episode of NuBSG) I can honestly say that that gets my interest as a project
If you never watched the BSG remake, you seriously missed out, that show will always be in my top 5 favorite shows of all time. I will admit though that I haven't seen much of the original, mostly for the same reasons I never watched TOS until the remaster (and even then I've only watched a handful of episodes).
Thanks for the recommendation, amigos, I'll try and check it out at some point
And I concur with evilmark - by avoiding NuBSG, you missed one hell of a show.
It was brilliant, right up until the very stupid ending.
Okay, I'll give you that, especially since it had the potential to have a much better ending, without changing anything except Lee's sudden Luddite turn. (After all, what are the odds that any of their technology would have survived for 150,000 years planetside? They could have tried to build another Caprica, and all traces would still have been gone.) The last few moments, though, made for a nice cautionary tale. (And the potential new path has already been discussed in SF, most thoroughly by David Brin, who holds that we should raise AIs in a fashion similar to the one in which we raise children - letting them learn from us, and gain some idea of ethics from us, rather than trying to preprogram the concept. This is also demonstrated in TNG, with Data learning empathy and, for lack of a better term, humanity by observing his organic crewmates, while Lore was preprogrammed with the ethics he was supposed to have - programming he overrode.)
Thanks for the recommendation, amigos, I'll try and check it out at some point
As much as I liked the BSG remake I would far recommend Babylon 5 over it (despite looking for more dated) as it has a much more satisfying ending.
That all depends on how you view things though.
For me, Babylon 5 is right up there with the BSG remake, though finding out that the shadow and earth civil wars were condensed kind of soured it for me a little, since we could have had even more brilliance instead of that lack luster final season
Looks like the question of whether or not Alec Peters used Axanar feature film project donor funds to lease a 'Warehouse' or create a 'for profit studio' and start his own for profit business have been answered:
[IE If Alec Peters had a private 'Investor Group' ready to take over the rent cost of the Ares Studio location - and not only pay back to Axanar, the funds they used to upgrade the facility; and allow them keep control and continue production (which was what he claimed)...Why are they suddenly advertising for other tenants?]
Not only does Mr. Peters really come across as a Grifter; if he was a 'lawyer by training' (something else he claimed) - he should know that all he's doing is making the 'Damages' portion of the C/P Copyright Infringement lawsuit VERY EASY to prove - and just ensuring he'll probably be living in a cardboard box once the Trial has concluded.
(At this point C/P have ZERO reason to settle - especially if they want to send a clear message of "Steal our Star Trek IP and be prosecuted to the FULL extent of the law...no deals...") Anybody who thinks Mr. Peters gives a damn about finishing Axanar at this point is a fool. All Peters probably cares about is finding a way to ultimately keep control of Ares/Valkyrie Studios; and finding a way to blame C/P for the fact the 1.3 million raised specifically top produce Axanar, actually went to fund EVERYTHING ELSE BUT AXANAR PRODUCTION for the most part; and was used by Peters to restart his once failed 'Propworx' business and allow him to live the lifestyle of a B-Grade producer who talks big but actually produces little.
Hell, Alec Peters likes to claim how HE made 'Prelude to Axanar' - when in fact the majority of people he DID do the work and made that 20 minute vignette have long since moved on (IE are no longer associated with Axanar; mostly due to how Mr. Peters has run the production of the Axanar feature since Prelude was completed.
IMO - Anyone who still supports this fool deserves everything they get - and you can be sure what they WON'T be an actual promised 'Donor Perk', or a completed Axanar feature film (fan or otherwise)
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Thanks for the recommendation, amigos, I'll try and check it out at some point
As much as I liked the BSG remake I would far recommend Babylon 5 over it (despite looking for more dated) as it has a much more satisfying ending.
That all depends on how you view things though.
For me, Babylon 5 is right up there with the BSG remake, though finding out that the shadow and earth civil wars were condensed kind of soured it for me a little, since we could have had even more brilliance instead of that lack luster final season
Yep, that one you can lay right at the feet of the network, who seemed to want to make JMS sweat a little by not letting him know whether his show was even going to get a Season 5 until sometime after the last minute. The reason he compressed the entire end of the story into just Season 4 was because so far as he knew, that was all he was going to get. Then suddenly he gets the renewal, and now he's run out of story to tell...
At the fan event for Star Trek Beyond, JJ Abrams said that the lawsuit against Axanar will be "going away in a few weeks." He and Justin Lin apparently feel that the lawsuit was not the way to "treat the fans."
Not sure what this means, if this was a way of announcing a settlement... or perhaps CBS will go it alone... Ora Abrams is ill-informed...
No matter what, there should be at least SOME consequences served. To completely drop the suit would be to reward many of the unscrupulous actions that were committed, and gives others the green light to do the same.
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The problem most people seem to have with your opinion with regards to Axanar, is you don't really support it. Despite the mound of evidence people have shown you, you continue to feel Alec Peters is not in the wrong.
I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but I don't understand it. How you can read all the particulars of the case, and still feel that CBS/Paramount is unfairly targeting Alec Peters, or this has anything to do with them being worried about ST Beyond or the new series, is baffling to me.
By all means, have your opinion, share the particulars of why you feel that way. I welcome the discussion, even if I don't agree with you. But accusing others of mere blind hatred, given all they have stated does no one, even yourself, any favors.
Not quite. The court will decide whether Alec Peters has broken copyright law. Until then, he's innocent until proven guilty.
Granted, he's not exactly helping himself as far as proving guilt is concerned (everybody and their cat can tell he's used Star Trek copyright without a license or authorisation), but criminality is for the Judge to decide. Until then, he is a defendant, not a criminal.
I look forward to the trial with anticipation so I can officially start calling him a criminal.
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And, no I politely don't want to discuss it further anymore. Linking me videos and shouting at me for not agreeing with you isn't my idea of a discussion.
That's what I thought. But apparently it doesn't apply here. I'll wait until it's resolved in court, but I guess that's not enough for some people to understand. And so far this whole situation reminds me of The Drumhead Trial.
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Actually - the ratings were decent; BUT the show (at the time) was so expensive to make; ABC attempted to retool the premise into what became "Galactica 1980" - which overall didn't cost that much less AND got TERRIBLE ratings past the pilot episode broadcast.
But yeah, the Lucas lawsuit had zero to do with BSG1978's cancellation.
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what part of jodarkrider's post above did you not see? when a MOD tells you to stop, you do NOT continue to violate forum rules
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If you never watched the BSG remake, you seriously missed out, that show will always be in my top 5 favorite shows of all time. I will admit though that I haven't seen much of the original, mostly for the same reasons I never watched TOS until the remaster (and even then I've only watched a handful of episodes).
And I concur with evilmark - by avoiding NuBSG, you missed one hell of a show. (Okay, you also missed about half of the second season when executive meddling gave us several episodes that tried to ignore the story arc, and the fourth-season episode "The Woman King", but those were the exceptions, not the norm.) You should try to catch up on it - in episode order if possible, otherwise you might find yourself wondering how Helo got back from Caprica and why nobody seems to see this hot blonde in the red dress wandering around.
It was brilliant, right up until the very stupid ending.
Thanks for the recommendation, amigos, I'll try and check it out at some point
As much as I liked the BSG remake I would far recommend Babylon 5 over it (despite looking for more dated) as it has a much more satisfying ending.
That all depends on how you view things though.
For me, Babylon 5 is right up there with the BSG remake, though finding out that the shadow and earth civil wars were condensed kind of soured it for me a little, since we could have had even more brilliance instead of that lack luster final season
[IE If Alec Peters had a private 'Investor Group' ready to take over the rent cost of the Ares Studio location - and not only pay back to Axanar, the funds they used to upgrade the facility; and allow them keep control and continue production (which was what he claimed)...Why are they suddenly advertising for other tenants?]
Not only does Mr. Peters really come across as a Grifter; if he was a 'lawyer by training' (something else he claimed) - he should know that all he's doing is making the 'Damages' portion of the C/P Copyright Infringement lawsuit VERY EASY to prove - and just ensuring he'll probably be living in a cardboard box once the Trial has concluded.
(At this point C/P have ZERO reason to settle - especially if they want to send a clear message of "Steal our Star Trek IP and be prosecuted to the FULL extent of the law...no deals...") Anybody who thinks Mr. Peters gives a damn about finishing Axanar at this point is a fool. All Peters probably cares about is finding a way to ultimately keep control of Ares/Valkyrie Studios; and finding a way to blame C/P for the fact the 1.3 million raised specifically top produce Axanar, actually went to fund EVERYTHING ELSE BUT AXANAR PRODUCTION for the most part; and was used by Peters to restart his once failed 'Propworx' business and allow him to live the lifestyle of a B-Grade producer who talks big but actually produces little.
Hell, Alec Peters likes to claim how HE made 'Prelude to Axanar' - when in fact the majority of people he DID do the work and made that 20 minute vignette have long since moved on (IE are no longer associated with Axanar; mostly due to how Mr. Peters has run the production of the Axanar feature since Prelude was completed.
IMO - Anyone who still supports this fool deserves everything they get - and you can be sure what they WON'T be an actual promised 'Donor Perk', or a completed Axanar feature film (fan or otherwise)
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Not sure what this means, if this was a way of announcing a settlement... or perhaps CBS will go it alone... Ora Abrams is ill-informed...
Stay tuned on this one!
Well, realize the room is full of press and Paramount execs... so, he's either right, or he stepped in dogs**t.
In the JJ-verse does dog TRIBBLE have its own lens flare?
This may be over by June. http://1701news.com/node/1201/abrams-axanar-lawsuit-going-away.html
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