"We're pleased to confirm we are in settlement discussions and are working on a set of fan film guidelines."
Which is pretty much what many fans wanted all along on both fronts. I can't wait to study those guidelines when made public. Should be interesting reading as Axanar - as well any fan productions going forward - will have to adhere to them.
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My guess is that Lin didn't want this fracas to interfere with the launch of his Trek movie, so he got JJ to push hard to end it ASAP.
Now it all depends on how far the Axanar folks are willing to bend over to appease CBS/Paramount.
Just hope JJ didn't have to burn to many bridges to get this outcome.
<shrug>
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Axanar Productions statement on tonight's announcement:
While we're grateful to receive the public support of JJ Abrams and Justin Lin, as the lawsuit remains pending, we want to make sure we go through all the proper steps to make sure all matters are settled with CBS and Paramount. Our goal from the beginning of this legal matter has been to address the concerns of the plaintiffs in a way that still allows us to tell the story of AXANAR and meets the expectations of the over 10,000 fans who financially supported our project.
There is still a lot of work to do, but receiving this kind of public support helps immensely.
Goddamn JJ Abrams and his acts of moral heroism which make him more likable >_<
At the very least, this puts Alec Peters firmly in JJ's pocket... JarJar Abrams and Darth Peters... "Always two there are -- a Master, and an Apprentice..." - Yoda
This may not mean that Alec Peters is going to get the bejeezus sued out of him by CBS/Paramount, but where does it leave the rubes er, I mean backers who payed in to the $1.3M 'build Ares Studio' fund... ?
Just read they are dropping the lawsuit. And it looks like they can start working on the movie to finish it. I hope they do finish it. This will be the first Star Trek movie since Nemesis was out. I will definitely watch this one!
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Just read they are dropping the lawsuit. And it looks like they can start working on the movie to finish it. I hope they do finish it. This will be the first Star Trek movie since Nemesis was out. I will definitely watch tone!
They are settling, not dropping the suit. Big difference.
And, you enjoy your fan film… just remember JJ Abrams is now at least partially responsible for saving it.
This may not mean that Alec Peters is going to get the bejeezus sued out of him by CBS/Paramount, but where does it leave the rubes er, I mean backers who payed in to the $1.3M 'build Ares Studio' fund... ?
Well, if they deliver on the film and follow the established guidelines, I don't think that stuff matters anymore.
Or, to put it another way, I think that kind of details will be worked out in the settlement.
I'm surprised lensflare Abrams has so much clout with the execs. Usually any employee 'mouthing off' would be told to pack their bags.
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This may not mean that Alec Peters is going to get the bejeezus sued out of him by CBS/Paramount, but where does it leave the rubes er, I mean backers who payed in to the $1.3M 'build Ares Studio' fund... ?
Well, if they deliver on the film and follow the established guidelines, I don't think that stuff matters anymore.
Or, to put it another way, I think that kind of details will be worked out in the settlement.
It'll be interesting to know how it's being worked out, although I've got to disagree that Alec Peters' use of the funds 'doesn't matter'... He was given money to fund a specific movie, not to fund a studio which he can then use to make any other movie... CBS/Paramount might be demanding that he pays them a vig, but his actual behaviour over the use of the funds, IMHO is still rather questionable... :-\
Honestly, whatever respect I still had for Abrams at this point is gone. I understand many people would like to see Axanar being made. But to comment on a on-going legal dispute, involving misappropriation of a trademark/copyrighted material is just not professional in my mind. Not to mention Abrams seems to gloss over (or flat out ignore) some of the more shadier aspect of what Peters did.
I wonder if Abrams would be as nice, if it was one of the films he created that someone was trying to make a profit off of.
This may not mean that Alec Peters is going to get the bejeezus sued out of him by CBS/Paramount, but where does it leave the rubes er, I mean backers who payed in to the $1.3M 'build Ares Studio' fund... ?
Well, if they deliver on the film and follow the established guidelines, I don't think that stuff matters anymore.
Or, to put it another way, I think that kind of details will be worked out in the settlement.
It'll be interesting to know how it's being worked out, although I've got to disagree that Alec Peters' use of the funds 'doesn't matter'... He was given money to fund a specific movie, not to fund a studio which he can then use to make any other movie... CBS/Paramount might be demanding that he pays them a vig, but his actual behaviour over the use of the funds, IMHO is still rather questionable... :-\
Agreed, and he still may have to pay a fine, and likely discontinue all "merchandise" for Axanar. I'd also expect crowdfunding to be dead, or at least crowdfunding with perks through sites like Kickstarter.
Honestly, he will still get to make his movie, so that's why it feels like to me that it "doesn't matter." A poor choice of words on my part, which is why I tried to clarify it.
We have no idea what the settlement will entail yet.
It may well be that Peters will have to give up all rights and monies earned from it to the Studios.
I really doubt that he will get off scot-free.
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This may not mean that Alec Peters is going to get the bejeezus sued out of him by CBS/Paramount, but where does it leave the rubes er, I mean backers who payed in to the $1.3M 'build Ares Studio' fund... ?
Well, if they deliver on the film and follow the established guidelines, I don't think that stuff matters anymore.
Or, to put it another way, I think that kind of details will be worked out in the settlement.
It'll be interesting to know how it's being worked out, although I've got to disagree that Alec Peters' use of the funds 'doesn't matter'... He was given money to fund a specific movie, not to fund a studio which he can then use to make any other movie... CBS/Paramount might be demanding that he pays them a vig, but his actual behaviour over the use of the funds, IMHO is still rather questionable... :-\
Agreed, and he still may have to pay a fine, and likely discontinue all "merchandise" for Axanar. I'd also expect crowdfunding to be dead, or at least crowdfunding with perks through sites like Kickstarter.
Honestly, he will still get to make his movie, so that's why it feels like to me that it "doesn't matter." A poor choice of words on my part, which is why I tried to clarify it.
It'll definitely be interesting to see how events continue to play out, especially given the notion mentioned up-thread that he never really intended to produce the Axanar film, but just used it as a bait to get the money for the studio I don't think we've heard the last on this topic by any means
I sincerely hope one of the fan film guidlines is that Alec Peters is not allowed to be involved in any production in any way, shape, or form ...
Absolutely. Regardless of any outcomes, his behaviour during this debarcle shows that he can't be trusted, and that anything he says is subject to change at a future point when it suits him... Clearly a shyster of the highest order...
Honestly, whatever respect I still had for Abrams at this point is gone. I understand many people would like to see Axanar being made. But to comment on a on-going legal dispute, involving misappropriation of a trademark/copyrighted material is just not professional in my mind. Not to mention Abrams seems to gloss over (or flat out ignore) some of the more shadier aspect of what Peters did.
I wonder if Abrams would be as nice, if it was one of the films he created that someone was trying to make a profit off of.
IS he being nice? It kinda came across to me as if Abrams was simply delivering an official statement to the press. He'd been working, not to get the lawsuit dropped, but to get the case resolved outside of court.
And no, I don't think Peters is going to get any of the money, and I doubt Axanar will actually get made.
Anybody wanna bet Peters tries to start another crowd-funder after this blows over...?
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Anybody wanna bet Peters tries to start another crowd-funder after this blows over...?
SMH
A 'top up boost to help us catch up'... Yup, I can hear it now... That said, after the exposure this brought to his behaviour, he'd probably have better luck standing at an intersection with a sign reading 'will drop pants for $$s'
Oh, I think CBS understands "blacklisted for life" well enough to ensure any settlement and fan guidelines include he's gone forever. They may not strip his finances to the bone, but he's not walking away from this able to use their IP in any way.
Of course he will...
Another couple thousand dollars so he can buy the official Ares Studio Tourbus...
But in the end he got what he wanted, to make this whole thing as unprofitable as possible for Paramount/CBS so they rather "settle" outside of court instead kicking his butt to where it belongs.
Honestly, whatever respect I still had for Abrams at this point is gone. I understand many people would like to see Axanar being made. But to comment on a on-going legal dispute, involving misappropriation of a trademark/copyrighted material is just not professional in my mind. Not to mention Abrams seems to gloss over (or flat out ignore) some of the more shadier aspect of what Peters did.
I wonder if Abrams would be as nice, if it was one of the films he created that someone was trying to make a profit off of.
IS he being nice? It kinda came across to me as if Abrams was simply delivering an official statement to the press. He'd been working, not to get the lawsuit dropped, but to get the case resolved outside of court.
And no, I don't think Peters is going to get any of the money, and I doubt Axanar will actually get made.
If it is an "official Press release" it is a terrible one. He talks about how "this isn't how you treat fans" and basically (to me at least) it sounds like he is blasting CBS/Paramount for playing hardball (and they really haven't) in protecting THEIR IP.
I try to not go into the whole "Peters never intended to make Axanar" because, really it is just speculation on my part, (though I think it makes sense), and there is really no evidence one way or another.
Still I feel the way Abrams comes off, he is ignoring the particulars of the case in order to look like a hero to the fans.
Honestly, whatever respect I still had for Abrams at this point is gone. I understand many people would like to see Axanar being made. But to comment on a on-going legal dispute, involving misappropriation of a trademark/copyrighted material is just not professional in my mind. Not to mention Abrams seems to gloss over (or flat out ignore) some of the more shadier aspect of what Peters did.
I wonder if Abrams would be as nice, if it was one of the films he created that someone was trying to make a profit off of.
IS he being nice? It kinda came across to me as if Abrams was simply delivering an official statement to the press. He'd been working, not to get the lawsuit dropped, but to get the case resolved outside of court.
And no, I don't think Peters is going to get any of the money, and I doubt Axanar will actually get made.
If it is an "official Press release" it is a terrible one. He talks about how "this isn't how you treat fans" and basically (to me at least) it sounds like he is blasting CBS/Paramount for playing hardball (and they really haven't) in protecting THEIR IP.
I try to not go into the whole "Peters never intended to make Axanar" because, really it is just speculation on my part, (though I think it makes sense), and there is really no evidence one way or another.
Still I feel the way Abrams comes off, he is ignoring the particulars of the case in order to look like a hero to the fans.
Probably because he and Lin have a BIG Trek Movie coming out in less than two months and they both don't want this hanging over it like a very wet blanket.
It would not surprise me in the least, if Lin asked JJ to step in and try to make this "go away".
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Of course he will... Another couple thousand dollars so he can buy the official Ares Studio Tourbus...
But in the end he got what he wanted, to make this whole thing as unprofitable as possible for Paramount/CBS so they rather "settle" outside of court instead kicking his butt to where it belongs.
Honestly, whatever respect I still had for Abrams at this point is gone. I understand many people would like to see Axanar being made. But to comment on a on-going legal dispute, involving misappropriation of a trademark/copyrighted material is just not professional in my mind. Not to mention Abrams seems to gloss over (or flat out ignore) some of the more shadier aspect of what Peters did.
I wonder if Abrams would be as nice, if it was one of the films he created that someone was trying to make a profit off of.
IS he being nice? It kinda came across to me as if Abrams was simply delivering an official statement to the press. He'd been working, not to get the lawsuit dropped, but to get the case resolved outside of court.
And no, I don't think Peters is going to get any of the money, and I doubt Axanar will actually get made.
If it is an "official Press release" it is a terrible one. He talks about how "this isn't how you treat fans" and basically (to me at least) it sounds like he is blasting CBS/Paramount for playing hardball (and they really haven't) in protecting THEIR IP.
I try to not go into the whole "Peters never intended to make Axanar" because, really it is just speculation on my part, (though I think it makes sense), and there is really no evidence one way or another.
Still I feel the way Abrams comes off, he is ignoring the particulars of the case in order to look like a hero to the fans.
Nooo, he'd never do something like that! (like let dying fans see movies before release, risk bodily harm to rescue an injured actor) Darth JJ would never stoop to such levels
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Which is pretty much what many fans wanted all along on both fronts. I can't wait to study those guidelines when made public. Should be interesting reading as Axanar - as well any fan productions going forward - will have to adhere to them.
Now it all depends on how far the Axanar folks are willing to bend over to appease CBS/Paramount.
Just hope JJ didn't have to burn to many bridges to get this outcome.
<shrug>
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While we're grateful to receive the public support of JJ Abrams and Justin Lin, as the lawsuit remains pending, we want to make sure we go through all the proper steps to make sure all matters are settled with CBS and Paramount. Our goal from the beginning of this legal matter has been to address the concerns of the plaintiffs in a way that still allows us to tell the story of AXANAR and meets the expectations of the over 10,000 fans who financially supported our project.
There is still a lot of work to do, but receiving this kind of public support helps immensely.
Never give up. Never surrender.
At the very least, this puts Alec Peters firmly in JJ's pocket... JarJar Abrams and Darth Peters... "Always two there are -- a Master, and an Apprentice..." - Yoda
This may not mean that Alec Peters is going to get the bejeezus sued out of him by CBS/Paramount, but where does it leave the rubes er, I mean backers who payed in to the $1.3M 'build Ares Studio' fund... ?
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What a strange world we live in
They are settling, not dropping the suit. Big difference.
And, you enjoy your fan film… just remember JJ Abrams is now at least partially responsible for saving it.
Well, if they deliver on the film and follow the established guidelines, I don't think that stuff matters anymore.
Or, to put it another way, I think that kind of details will be worked out in the settlement.
In Hollywood directors are King...especially directors that made a movie that took all the worlds money
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I'm also thinking that Abrams' experience with the Star Wars fan film community pushed him to do this....
I wonder if Abrams would be as nice, if it was one of the films he created that someone was trying to make a profit off of.
Agreed, and he still may have to pay a fine, and likely discontinue all "merchandise" for Axanar. I'd also expect crowdfunding to be dead, or at least crowdfunding with perks through sites like Kickstarter.
Honestly, he will still get to make his movie, so that's why it feels like to me that it "doesn't matter." A poor choice of words on my part, which is why I tried to clarify it.
It may well be that Peters will have to give up all rights and monies earned from it to the Studios.
I really doubt that he will get off scot-free.
<shrug>
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It'll definitely be interesting to see how events continue to play out, especially given the notion mentioned up-thread that he never really intended to produce the Axanar film, but just used it as a bait to get the money for the studio
Absolutely. Regardless of any outcomes, his behaviour during this debarcle shows that he can't be trusted, and that anything he says is subject to change at a future point when it suits him... Clearly a shyster of the highest order...
And no, I don't think Peters is going to get any of the money, and I doubt Axanar will actually get made.
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A 'top up boost to help us catch up'... Yup, I can hear it now... That said, after the exposure this brought to his behaviour, he'd probably have better luck standing at an intersection with a sign reading 'will drop pants for $$s'
I'm hoping the guidelines will prevent that. If he were to step out of line, now, they'd drop the hammer on him.
Another couple thousand dollars so he can buy the official Ares Studio Tourbus...
But in the end he got what he wanted, to make this whole thing as unprofitable as possible for Paramount/CBS so they rather "settle" outside of court instead kicking his butt to where it belongs.
If it is an "official Press release" it is a terrible one. He talks about how "this isn't how you treat fans" and basically (to me at least) it sounds like he is blasting CBS/Paramount for playing hardball (and they really haven't) in protecting THEIR IP.
I try to not go into the whole "Peters never intended to make Axanar" because, really it is just speculation on my part, (though I think it makes sense), and there is really no evidence one way or another.
Still I feel the way Abrams comes off, he is ignoring the particulars of the case in order to look like a hero to the fans.
Probably because he and Lin have a BIG Trek Movie coming out in less than two months and they both don't want this hanging over it like a very wet blanket.
It would not surprise me in the least, if Lin asked JJ to step in and try to make this "go away".
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TOS expansion. Console expansion. Axanar might not be dead and buried under a lawsuit.
What's next? Space Command finished? Nuclear Holocaust? Cats and Dogs living together?