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Axanar draws lawsuit from Paramount and CBS
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What a monumentally stupid thing to do, though, especially from CBS who has been content with sitting on their hands while the brand whistle's in the wind....
I think it's because there are two official Star Trek properties coming out. We have the movie and the new TV show.
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I think this is what happened
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They have only themselves to blame for dumping Trek in the bin and letting the farce that is paramount' take on it continue.... they cant have there cake and eat it, if it wasnt for fan productions, STO, and many many novels, reruns etc Trek would have died with Enterprise....
I hope they realise they can try to silence a crowd but when you try to make it a wimpier it has a tendency to become a explosion... if they seriously want to anger fans by doing this kinda of thing then they need to look at how it will effect the 2017 show as its like ive always been told.,.. Don't S**t where you eat....
Agreed, and to be honest I expected such stupidity the closer we get to the new series.
I have mentioned this before, but i would not put it past CBS to shut down STO in favour of their new baby, especially if it becomes popular...
Still in agreement
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They wouldn't do that, to do that they would have to pull all reruns, as STO is nothing more than a continuation of the Trek Before so to speak...
Plussss. $$$$$$ Talks as long as STO makes them money in what ever way possible it will remain, When STO is a loss making game and starts to tarnish the brand CBS will be like erm bye bye....
I did not think about that...it could be why
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Comparing STO and the novels to Axanar doesn't work...Cryptic is operating under a license from CBS and the same for the official novels. On the flip side, a fanficcer is operating on such a [i]small[/i] scale...pulling in no funds and drawing on no resources with any veneer of officiality to do what they do, that ignoring them is smart for the brand and prosecuting would be as silly as going after a kid for doing a drawing.
With large-budget fan films...I have to admit that I have always seen CBS' side in this and that's part of why I have never supported such efforts. I would feel kind of skeevy doing so, a sense of crossing a line by not just doing a derivative work but directly trespassing on the IP on their own turf.
Before anyone points out that I've done a Foundry mission, I am going to again point out that Cryptic has a license they got the right way and that CBS had to know that the Foundry was there. In fact, I am sure they do given the EULA for the Foundry that [i]specifically forbids using the likenesses of actual characters from the series[/i]. There is a reason why Cryptic can use faces and voices from the on-air shows and we the fans cannot.
If anything, my guess is that EULA points to the crux of why Axanar is considered to have crossed the line: yes, the actors are doing this of their own choice but they are in essence using the CHARACTER'S likeness and name for something off brand. I almost think in that light, CBS' choice to go after the producers of Axanar is by far the less damaging option compared to their *other* potential avenue, which would be a civil suit against their own actors. If you think the bantha poodoo is hitting the fan now (yes, I know, wrong franchise), just imagine if CBS had such a severe public falling out with their official actors. THAT right there is the third rail I hope they have the sense to avoid.
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I doubt it. STO is (apparently) profitable. If that remains so then what does "not being canon" really matter? It hasn't mattered to any Star Trek video game in the past, especially those that dealt with material beyond the current date of the series. Now if there was a fan game out there and CBS wanted to release something similar then you might expect action, but not for something they own and benefit from.
Anyway, sad news. My take: Axanar is something I would have immensely preferred seeing to Star Trek Beyond. Paramount wants to release that and shut down Axanar? Fine, it's their call. But they (and CBS) just demonstrated a patent unwillingness to produce the kind of material I want to watch (even when they don't have to pay for it.)
Go them.
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Also, I have to wonder if this public step is because private negotiations broke down.
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And that's why I said it's their call. I'm not saying in any way that CBS has no legal standing to pull Axanar down. It is a Star Trek film in every narrative sense. It is also a Star Trek film supported by a lot of people (see. the crowdfunding, the actors). It was an opportunity, something that could have promoted the franchise without coming at any cost to Paramount or CBS or threatening any other release (given the "free, on the internet" scheme. Even if CBS is planning to release the exact same thing as their new TV show there's definite clues built into the release format as to what it represents.)
And before you start off on that, there are examples from other popular sci-fi franchises where the host company did exactly that, they let the fans go and make what they want to make provided they didn't try selling that material without their consent (see. Microsoft, Halo, Red vs Blue, and other fan productions.) CBS/Paramount could have chosen to do that as well, but they chose to exercise their legal right instead. I don't think anyone here is saying they can't do that. I'm certainly not. But it's still disappointing, especially after other precedents have been set (see. successfully released Star Trek fan films.)
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The thing with Axanar that's particularly touchy is the involvement of not just inanimate assets like if I were to lift parts of the game files, but official talent who, IMO, have been actively promoting a competitor. Come to think about it, the equivalent would actually be worse: it would be like poaching a STO dev and building said competitor game with their help...and there's a good reason that non-compete contracts are an industry standard. Targeting the production team of Axanar is the much better alternative to actually going after the actors--because THAT is a scenario that would absolutely be Armageddon for the fandom.
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CBS/Paramount should do the stunningly reasonable thing and cut a distribution deal for Axanar and gain a ton of good will with the fans.
Disney was smart enough to not pull all the old EU novels out of print and simple re-branded them as 'Legends', trusting that the fans were smart enough to tell the difference between the new and old materials. Axanar could be handled the exact same way.
In contrast is Star Wars. The movies are resurrected. It's been kicking around several shows over the years to "keep the torch lit." More importantly, newer, younger people are drawn in as fans. Things I really don't see the official license holders of Star Trek doing. Granted, SW is a massive franchise. But I don't see the ambition to push ST for future prosperity.