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How do we fix Feds getting all of the toys because "No one plays KDF or Romulan"?
praxi5
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Cryptic, this is on you.
You don't give KDF or Romulans any ships (Science, T6, heck even T5, BoPs, etc) because you say no one plays them.
But no one plays them because Feds get all of the new shinies.
How do we convince you that we would? People would kill for a T6 BoP or a proper Romulan Sci ship. It's not overly hard to design one (stats wise) and I think people would be just fine if you re-used an existing model.
So what's stopping you? There's money to be had here, and everyone knows STO is making increasingly desperate cash grabs.
Before you jump on the 'HURR DURRR, CRYPTIC IS BUSINESS!' train, consider this :rolleyes:
You don't give KDF or Romulans any ships (Science, T6, heck even T5, BoPs, etc) because you say no one plays them.
But no one plays them because Feds get all of the new shinies.
How do we convince you that we would? People would kill for a T6 BoP or a proper Romulan Sci ship. It's not overly hard to design one (stats wise) and I think people would be just fine if you re-used an existing model.
So what's stopping you? There's money to be had here, and everyone knows STO is making increasingly desperate cash grabs.
Before you jump on the 'HURR DURRR, CRYPTIC IS BUSINESS!' train, consider this :rolleyes:
Catch is we keep telling PWE what we really want that would open up our wallets and we keep getting ignored on that front. Kinda surprising.
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An MMO company wouldn't continue to hire veteran actors from a multi-billion dollar franchise like Star Trek if it was "desperate".
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Compared to the past.
We now have:
So and and so forth...
It's not hard to see that any that can be IS being monetized.
So why not give us something that's not too overly difficult to do, that people have been clamoring for, for a while now?
Compared to
It just seems that cryptic has only become better at making content people want to invest in. Is that bad of a business? No its what more grounded people want out of their faceless corporations (see. Apple and their next big cash sink.)
Anyway as for something that's germane to the topic at hand the way you break the cycle is making a single special investment in either the KDF or RR (probably KDF, they need a revamp more.) If that doesn't stimulate interest then you're likely up against a much stronger psychological bias than mere products can rectify (see. Quintaris below. This is Star Trek after all.)
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Invest in because it's new/different, or invest in because it gives a massive advantage?
Compare Mk XII to Mk XIV weapons - you'll see that upgrading to Mk XIV provides damage that scales outrageously higher than any other Mks.
If we're investing in things, why not toons? People have a good chunk of cash (myself included) invested in KDF/Romulan toons, but they're underplayed due to Feds getting all of the new stuff. I, for one, would love to dust off both my Rom and KDF if there were ships that even came somewhat close to being interesting for a Sci.
It is cryptics mess.
IMHO, just have only one faction since it is canon to eventually happen anyways.
Romulans, however, are perhaps even more advanced technologically in some respects tan the Federation, as evidenced by their development and use of the singularity drive, so science-type ships should be expected, and the science gap is much less forgivable for them.
(The Klingons had a chance to be more cerebral, canonically. Sadly, it passed with the last of the Thought Admirals--Chang, Gorkon, and Azetbur.
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Hell I was even shocked they put in a tier 6 Raptor that actually is worth a TRIBBLE.
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First of all, being monetized ≠ desperate cash grabs. Secondly, dilithium can be converted into zen just as easily as zen can be converted into dilithium.
And if you want to point to the higher price of zen, Cryptic isn't to blame. The players are. Dilithium is getting more plentiful, and there's just more demand for zen right now. That's because dilithium is very easy to get. To claim that having dilithium sinks in place relates to some "cash grab" you're claiming exists is ridiculous. If there wasn't any new dilithium sinks out there, zen would be even more expensive than it is now. If anything, we need more dilithium sinks to bring zen prices down to how they was pre-DR.
And more lockboxes and C-store ships? They're needed to fund the game. If we didn't have them, STO wouldn't be sufficiently funded. If you call THAT a cash grab, that's fine. As long as you don't define "cash grabs" as something that the game could live without - because it can't.
How do you know what you're asking for isn't "overly difficult" to do? Even if it was easy development-wise, the higher-ups over the devs would have to okay it. Even the most simple things might not make it live because of that.
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This is an MMO/RPG. Using other parts of the sandbox often involves higher stats. Its part of the format.
More power involved costs. See again the fact that this is an MMO/RPG. Play Final Fantasy and you'll find the same dynamics. Play Elder's Scrolls and you'll find that Iron just doesn't cut it against Daedric. In Fallout (3+) those crappy bandit weapons quickly become vendor trash once you lay your hands on an energy weapon. Mechwarrior (2-4), I'm sorry but if you're not using the biggest, most expensive weapons on the biggest, most expensive mechs you're **** out of luck. Rainbow Six Vegas? Again what you start out with and what you unlock generally have some significant differences and you'll find that dynamic at the heart of just about every AAA game released these days.
Incentives drive gameplay. Its how a lot of games work. Not all, I'll grant you, but I think you'll find the exceptions are much simpler than STO (eg. Tetris, Solitare). Expecting them at this scale of game is perhaps a tad unreasonable.
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Yeah, I'm gonna feel sad when power creep and any new raptors being released as equivalent to the Qib and not the next fed escort knocks the raptor back to it's tier-5 status. But bask in it while you can.
Easiest way I can think of is to ask them to ease us into them. After they give us Carriers and Sci-heavy BoPs, we better speak with our wallets and buy them. While boycotting Fed ships if you feel it necessary.
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Another log on the list is the whole raptor class compared to just about any class in the game. Woefully UP, and the tier 6 rectified some but like you said power creep will render it useless unless by an act of God another raptor comes out just as strong as the Fed new escort.
But if you look in the delta flight mission the KDF ship looked like a mean raptor I'd never seen before so fingers crossed.
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No one will play KDF and Rom because there are no new, good ships... there are no new, good ships since no one plays KDF and Rom toons..... :rolleyes:
True. Yet every time Cryptic does something someone is ALWAYS quick on the "Ebil Money Grab" gun. Hell... I even saw someone call the annual Winter Ship Sale a sudden and unexpected Money Grab... AND PEOPLE WERE ASKING ABOUT THE SALE BEFORE THAT!
Again True. With the recent Market Saturation, its a pretty rough time for us F2P players to be able to trade for Zen to share in the new shinies. I'd like to get a Negh'Tev for my KDF (Mostly because I used to have a Mirror Negh'var so I haz MIRROR SKIN hehe), but at the current exchange rate the reward might not be worth the hard grind of even 6 characters.
Again True. There has to be ways to fund the game since its not a P2P sub model anymore. In fact, F2P may have SAVED the game, and STO has one of the most generous F2P models out there!
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Businesses exist to make money? No wai! :eek:
Catch is we keep telling PWE what we really want that would open up our wallets and we keep getting ignored on that front. Kinda surprising.
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KDF players voted that they don't like science ships.
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So much rabble rabble, "businesses like to business?! SHOCKING!" comments in this thread, but no one realizes this.
Here we are, ready to pay for things, and we're getting ignored. And while we're getting ignored, we see power creep going higher and higher because Cryptic feels that in order to make money, they need to sell increasingly powerful gear/ships instead of just giving us what we want.
With what, the Varanus? The ill-fated DSSV clone?
You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is the No True Scotsman fallacy!
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Here's the thing, though: I understand that I do not represent the majority of the player base, and that just because I (and many others) would pay for more Space Barbie doesn't mean that it would drive enough revenue to justify the development cost.
I'm sure that there are far more dedicated KDF players than Space Barbie players, and that many of those KDF players would be tripping over their wallets in the rush to buy a klink Sci ship or other goodies. But apparently not enough of them, based on past sales numbers.
That doesn't reflect any conspiracy or animus towards the KDF. It's simply business. Complain all you want about how many people are giving that kind of response--they're giving it because it's accurate.
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Umm which ones? Every single one I've talked to would like 1-3 decent sci ships.
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Better tell whomever wants decent KDF Science ships to buy the existing KDF Science-based ships first.
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3-4 loud mouthed players do not constitute a "We." Forum members make up a tiny percentage of the playerbase.
Varanas, Draguas and don't forget those Dyson science Destroyers that were Copy/Pasted from one faction to the next. If that wasn't a good indicator of who buys Science Ships and who doesn't than what is?
KDF BOP's and even a Science ship will come eventually as stated in the latest podcast. The BOP will be here very soon, but the Science ship will take quite some time. Cryptic has a lot of other more popular ships to make first.