Waste of time. Cryptic already has the metrics to know which ships will sell and to how many people well enough to direct their effort reasonably well. The only thing this set up will do is disabuse people of the notion that knowing three people who want the same ship is the same as there being a market.
Sure the Kickstarter setup is probably futile, but the fact is that Geko himself suggested the idea in the recent podcast as one possible means of getting KDF/Roms to fund a ship; by literally committing to it rather than merely saying they want one but then not buy one for one reason or another.
Unless you're from Germany, the word "Mercedes" calls up images of expensive cars that are shinier than they are good.
Fixed :P Well I DID live in Germany once....
Hyundai is South Korea's biggest export marque. They're actually pretty good cars, but in the U.S. and to an extent Canada, they're mainly known for being cost effective cars.
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[/quote]Similar can be said of Kia, though without the hard-won rep-Kias are mostly known here in the States as 'starter' brand-the car you buy a kid who's just moving out of the house and has maybe two years behind the wheel, because it's inexpensive and barely adequate...and easily replaced.
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Not really.... still sounded like hyperbole.
In the derisive terms the poster was using, both Hyundai and Kia are 'bargain basement' mass-production stuff, generally percieved as lower quality than a Chevrolet, Toyota, or Honda.
Yes, well your analogy is flawed due to use of cherry-picked examples.
Lets compare the various RA Fed Science ships....
DSSV: Hull 28,500; SMod 1.3; crew 500; LtT EnsE LtE LtCS ComS; 2/3/4; turn 11; inertia 33; +15 aux; ST SA
Recon: 27,000; 1.3; 350; LtT EnsT LtE LtCS ComS; 3/2/4; 13; 50; +15 aux; ST SA
Nebula: 31,500; 1.3; 750; LtT LtCE ComS EnsS LtU; 2/3/4; 10; 45; +15 aux; ST SA TDG
D'Kyr: 30,000; 1.3; 300; LtT LtCE ComS LtS EnsU; 2/3/4; 11; 45; +15 aux; ST SA LSS
In comparison the Varanus has two stats that are actually BAD. It's SMod of 1.2, and it's Aux boost. AND it comes with a special console that gives you healing pets.
Dumb question if Klingons are so bad at science why did they make time devices before the oh so scientific federation?.
Because they don't have any 'morale' restrictions stopping them from doing dangerous research, or using prisoners as test subjects.
No one is saying they don't have science. Any argument from that position or similar is a strawman. But the fact is series cannon shows they don't have as much dedicated to it, and a good portion of their tech development is through conquest, raiding.
Wouldn't be surprised if most of their time device tech was raided, stolen.
Because they don't have any 'morale' restrictions stopping them from doing dangerous research, or using prisoners as test subjects.
No one is saying they don't have science. Any argument from that position or similar is a strawman. But the fact is series cannon shows they don't have as much dedicated to it, and a good portion of their tech development is through conquest, raiding.
Wouldn't be surprised if most of their time device tech was raided, stolen.
*looks at the state of the galaxy* Those moral restriction sure do seem to be working. For the enemy.
Klingons had a time device. Whether they stole it or built it is an arbitrary question. The fact is, they could use it. Which requires experimentation. Which requires, science.
You don't give KDF or Romulans any ships (Science, T6, heck even T5, BoPs, etc) because you say no one plays them.
But no one plays them because Feds get all of the new shinies.
How do we convince you that we would? People would kill for a T6 BoP or a proper Romulan Sci ship. It's not overly hard to design one (stats wise) and I think people would be just fine if you re-used an existing model.
So what's stopping you? There's money to be had here, and everyone knows STO is making increasingly desperate cash grabs.
Before you jump on the 'HURR DURRR, CRYPTIC IS BUSINESS!' train, consider this :rolleyes:
If the game was as in dire straits as doomsayers claim, we wouldn't be getting the amount of content we've been getting as of late. In fact, the game would be in maintenance mode.
Second, I find it amusing that the Romulans get lumped together with the KDF in some sort of neglected solidarity fest, when in fact, they have it the best of all factions in the game. With the Republic, it's a matter of "quality over quantity". They have the most overpowered ship line in the game, the best looking ships in the game, an excellent story progression (although the KDF storyline is the best of the three), singularity powers, battle cloaks across the board, and overpowered bridge officers. So, Romulan-exclusive players have no reason to complain, unlike the KDF hard-cores who actually, despite their often misplaced blame, have valid reasons to be dissatisfied.
There are plenty of folks who play their KDF characters. But evidently, not enough for Cryptic to rate the faction as "top priority" on their release schedule. Which is why exclusive content/revamps tend to be sporadic and periodic.
The only way to fix that is for their metrics to change.
If the game was as in dire straits as doomsayers claim, we wouldn't be getting the amount of content we've been getting as of late. In fact, the game would be in maintenance mode.
Second, I find it amusing that the Romulans get lumped together with the KDF in some sort of neglected solidarity fest, when in fact, they have it the best of all factions in the game. With the Republic, it's a matter of "quality over quantity". They have the most overpowered ship line in the game, the best looking ships in the game, an excellent story progression (although the KDF storyline is the best of the three), singularity powers, battle cloaks across the board, and overpowered bridge officers. So, Romulan-exclusive players have no reason to complain, unlike the KDF hard-cores who actually, despite their often misplaced blame, have valid reasons to be dissatisfied.
There are plenty of folks who play their KDF characters. But evidently, not enough for Cryptic to rate the faction as "top priority" on their release schedule. Which is why exclusive content/revamps tend to be sporadic and periodic.
The only way to fix that is for their metrics to change.
AKA Stop playing Federation and start playing Romulan or KDF.
I'm a KDF player who would buy mulitple t6 kdf ships, esp science
Yeah considering out T6 Science Command Battlecruiser... is well... an Engineers dream ship. i'm not saying that its a bad ship, but it deffinately doesn't fit the Science Ship catagory.
As other have said, "we don't get exotic murder ships"
And with this thread and the one down in the Klingon Fleetyard. Some adjustments to this have already been made. Still filling it out as needed. It's a little slower going there. But I figure it shows that we want a T6 Science ship enough to warrent us doing all the leg work on it, except you know, coding it.
Yeah considering out T6 Science Command Battlecruiser... is well... an Engineers dream ship. i'm not saying that its a bad ship, but it deffinately doesn't fit the Science Ship catagory.
As other have said, "we don't get exotic murder ships"
And with this thread and the one down in the Klingon Fleetyard. Some adjustments to this have already been made. Still filling it out as needed. It's a little slower going there. But I figure it shows that we want a T6 Science ship enough to warrent us doing all the leg work on it, except you know, coding it.
And I really need to go to bed. Thought I was in a different post with this.
My personal philosophy is thus: if someone from priority one (or close associates) is defending cryptic, and this special snowflake is going against the thread topic, by default, I consider this topic to possess some truth value.
I'm not kidding! I was ready to dismiss the OP for being absurd, then I saw your comment orangeitis. Hahaha.
So you automatically get convinced when you see someone disagreeing that happens to be associated with the Priority One fleet. You don't bother with reason or evidence. If that's the case, what do I have to do with it at all besides being the one who happened to disagree with the OP first? Should I care? Are you trying to convince me of something? Are you implying that my opinions don't matter just because I have an affiliation with P1? Or do you have a different agenda I'm not seeing?
Just to join the mob alongside the science ship guys, what would it take for the KDF to get a ship with vector separation? The Romulans have had that since they were added to the game.
give them decent stuff. thats how. then people WILL play. garuanteed.
the arguement that they are "more" about "pew pew" is silly.
frankly if they weren't that smart scientifically they likely wouldnt of developed as far as they have and EVERY military needs a science division, just because the warrior cast is about pew pew doesnt mean the entire empire is thats been stated multiple times in the tv shows.
Honestly its rediculous I would hands down play a Science Klink I would drop everything else im doing in the game right now for it, because it would be FUN.
evidently if we've learnt anything over the past few months, cryptic doesnt want you to have fun. Otherwise they wouldnt nerf everything (including things that dont need nerfing) and force you to grind.
*looks at the state of the galaxy* Those moral restriction sure do seem to be working. For the enemy.
The enemy also dedicates more to science unlike the "Warrior" Klingons which is a balancing factor. Most of Klingon Science is dedicated to military aspects.
Klingons had a time device. Whether they stole it or built it is an arbitrary question. The fact is, they could use it. Which requires experimentation. Which requires, science.
/facepalm yes it really takes a bunch of research to push a button on a device already built.
The enemy also dedicates more to science unlike the "Warrior" Klingons which is a balancing factor. Most of Klingon Science is dedicated to military aspects.
/facepalm yes it really takes a bunch of research to push a button on a device already built.
If you don't want it to blow in your face it knda does... or do you think the would steal the manual too?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
An MMO company wouldn't continue to hire veteran actors from a multi-billion dollar franchise like Star Trek if it was "desperate".
lol, veteran actors lol.. don't get me wrong, I love the actors, and I love that they put them in the game..
but cryptic is getting the bargain brand actors and actresses.. notice how almost all of the actors they have gotten have pretty much been out of work since their shows went off the air.. we don't see a frakes, or mulgrew, or anyone who is "worth" more..
Christ, family guy and the quest for stuff had better voice overs, and much higher quality actors for their star trek game lol..
cryptic is scraping the bottom of the barrel and getting the actors who are on the cheap.. (not a bad thing as b and c list actors are better than no actors/actresses. but going as far to say we are getting veteran actors and making it sound like cryptic spent tons of money on them is a far stretch... especially since the tom paris voice overs were so obiously done over the phone, and he seemed to want to be doing anything but the voice over work.. worst v.o. yet.. lol...
that being said, getting back to the ops rant. the way you change the lack of romulan and kdf stuff, well, you call cbs, and have them create a star trek show that centers around those races..
star trek has always been about the federation. most of the source material cryptic has to work with is federation, so in a canon world, the feds are gonna have quite a bit more.. yes, true, they could make more cryptic designs and what not, but the metrics show that no one is interested in the kdf, romulans...
and I for one am sick of hearing the complaints about this.. jesus, cryptic has gone out of their way to take the differences away from each faction to make them all as fair as balanced as possible.. I mean all the consoles that were faction specific are now available to everyone..
it is not on cryptic, it is on the franchise, and the players.. there is more than enough missions, "toys" and what not that anyone could enjoy any of the factions.. the problem is there is no interest in them, as most star trek fans want to be a federation captain.
I for one would love to see a star trek show that centered around a Klingon or romulan crew.. like that episode in ds9 (name escapes me for the minute) where worf and dax join martoks crew and the whole episode is basically filmed on board that bird of prey.. that was a great and interesting episode..
aside from the lack of population, I've never felt slighted by the ship selection
I've never envied feds swimming in so many different ships, they all seemed to be the same ship more or less, with just nuanced changes. they don't even look all that different, all look like half melted bars of soap.
kdf ships are more unique and strong with good traits
the two sides are different, and that's ok
can't speak to roms, though I hear they like them
but, I am not happy with the new doffing, it's like marauding doffing got castrated
I for my part would be perfectly happy to buy an upgrade token for my KDF ships from season to season.
Most Cryptic designs are so damn ugly, I don't buy them anyway. (See the Klingon command BC's)
So, just let me upgrade my B'rel and Vor'cha to keep them up to date. It's even canon !
Regarding the science ship for KDF. Why not ? I mean the ship class how it is represented in the game is complete made up by Cryptic.
How many times did one of the captains in the show scream: spam gravity well and hit them with tractor beam repulsors !
Never happened. Sisko loved his attack pattern Omega, Janeway and Kirk Torpedos: full spread.
I for my part would be perfectly happy to buy an upgrade token for my KDF ships from season to season.
Most Cryptic designs are so damn ugly, I don't buy them anyway. (See the Klingon command BC's)
So, just let me upgrade my B'rel and Vor'cha to keep them up to date. It's even canon !
Regarding the science ship for KDF. Why not ? I mean the ship class how it is represented in the game is complete made up by Cryptic.
How many times did one of the captains in the show scream: spam gravity well and hit them with tractor beam repulsors !
Never happened. Sisko loved his attack pattern Omega, Janeway and Kirk Torpedos: full spread.
I for my part would be perfectly happy to buy an upgrade token for my KDF ships from season to season.
Most Cryptic designs are so damn ugly, I don't buy them anyway. (See the Klingon command BC's)
So, just let me upgrade my B'rel and Vor'cha to keep them up to date. It's even canon !
Regarding the science ship for KDF. Why not ? I mean the ship class how it is represented in the game is complete made up by Cryptic.
How many times did one of the captains in the show scream: spam gravity well and hit them with tractor beam repulsors !
Never happened. Sisko loved his attack pattern Omega, Janeway and Kirk Torpedos: full spread.
You forgot Voyager's science phasers. Unknown energy or dimensional rift. Shoot it.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Yeah considering out T6 Science Command Battlecruiser... is well... an Engineers dream ship. i'm not saying that its a bad ship, but it deffinately doesn't fit the Science Ship catagory.
As other have said, "we don't get exotic murder ships"
And with this thread and the one down in the Klingon Fleetyard. Some adjustments to this have already been made. Still filling it out as needed. It's a little slower going there. But I figure it shows that we want a T6 Science ship enough to warrent us doing all the leg work on it, except you know, coding it.
thing is, I have the Varanus. I even got the fleet modules and upgrade token to have a fleet T5-U Varanus. I have the Qib, and I have the Mat'ha. I don't like the command BC's mainly because I don't feel that the command boff skills actually offer anything.
Something I get tired of seeing.. "Klingons wouldn't do science. They are a military society!" Forget the fact that there was an interstellar Empire long before humans ever had warp drive (or even made it into space). Forget the fact that the Klingon defense force was already a force to be reckoned with prior to the Federation even existing. Yes, Klingon society is a military society.
So is the US Army.
In the Army, everyone is a soldier. However, you have other jobs. Engineer. Scientist. Doctor. Nurse. Medic. Researcher and Development. Networking.
Yes, most Klingons are warriors. They also have other jobs.. they haul freight. They patrol spaceways. They save the Enterprise. They rescue the Federation.
Anyone who thinks Klingons aren't capable of being more than "pew pew stab stab" needs to take a bit of a reality check, and maybe talk to a military veteran.
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[/quote]Similar can be said of Kia, though without the hard-won rep-Kias are mostly known here in the States as 'starter' brand-the car you buy a kid who's just moving out of the house and has maybe two years behind the wheel, because it's inexpensive and barely adequate...and easily replaced.
following so far?[/quote]
Not really.... still sounded like hyperbole. Yes, well your analogy is flawed due to use of cherry-picked examples.
Lets compare the various RA Fed Science ships....
DSSV: Hull 28,500; SMod 1.3; crew 500; LtT EnsE LtE LtCS ComS; 2/3/4; turn 11; inertia 33; +15 aux; ST SA
Recon: 27,000; 1.3; 350; LtT EnsT LtE LtCS ComS; 3/2/4; 13; 50; +15 aux; ST SA
Nebula: 31,500; 1.3; 750; LtT LtCE ComS EnsS LtU; 2/3/4; 10; 45; +15 aux; ST SA TDG
D'Kyr: 30,000; 1.3; 300; LtT LtCE ComS LtS EnsU; 2/3/4; 11; 45; +15 aux; ST SA LSS
In comparison the Varanus has two stats that are actually BAD. It's SMod of 1.2, and it's Aux boost. AND it comes with a special console that gives you healing pets.
My character Tsin'xing
Because they don't have any 'morale' restrictions stopping them from doing dangerous research, or using prisoners as test subjects.
No one is saying they don't have science. Any argument from that position or similar is a strawman. But the fact is series cannon shows they don't have as much dedicated to it, and a good portion of their tech development is through conquest, raiding.
Wouldn't be surprised if most of their time device tech was raided, stolen.
That has more to do with ship stats than preferences.
If the fed had the best Escort in the game compared to the Dominion, people would be after that more than the bug ship.
HUGE assumptions on your part as to why certain items like ships are popular.
Fact is Fed ships tend to be generic compared to exotic alien ships.
*looks at the state of the galaxy* Those moral restriction sure do seem to be working. For the enemy.
Klingons had a time device. Whether they stole it or built it is an arbitrary question. The fact is, they could use it. Which requires experimentation. Which requires, science.
A point well made. You can't count lockbox and lobi ships in with this. Because those are the ships that are a breed of their own.
If the game was as in dire straits as doomsayers claim, we wouldn't be getting the amount of content we've been getting as of late. In fact, the game would be in maintenance mode.
Second, I find it amusing that the Romulans get lumped together with the KDF in some sort of neglected solidarity fest, when in fact, they have it the best of all factions in the game. With the Republic, it's a matter of "quality over quantity". They have the most overpowered ship line in the game, the best looking ships in the game, an excellent story progression (although the KDF storyline is the best of the three), singularity powers, battle cloaks across the board, and overpowered bridge officers. So, Romulan-exclusive players have no reason to complain, unlike the KDF hard-cores who actually, despite their often misplaced blame, have valid reasons to be dissatisfied.
There are plenty of folks who play their KDF characters. But evidently, not enough for Cryptic to rate the faction as "top priority" on their release schedule. Which is why exclusive content/revamps tend to be sporadic and periodic.
The only way to fix that is for their metrics to change.
AKA Stop playing Federation and start playing Romulan or KDF.
No, it's "variety is the spice of life".
I would encourage people to go multi-faction. I find it's more fun that way.
I'm a KDF player who would buy mulitple t6 kdf ships, esp science
Yeah considering out T6 Science Command Battlecruiser... is well... an Engineers dream ship. i'm not saying that its a bad ship, but it deffinately doesn't fit the Science Ship catagory.
As other have said, "we don't get exotic murder ships"
And with this thread and the one down in the Klingon Fleetyard. Some adjustments to this have already been made. Still filling it out as needed. It's a little slower going there. But I figure it shows that we want a T6 Science ship enough to warrent us doing all the leg work on it, except you know, coding it.
And I really need to go to bed. Thought I was in a different post with this.
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Ill have you know his spinal cannons are ferocious and awesome.
everything dies when I use them, its so satisfying
except the dreadnaughts in BD
the arguement that they are "more" about "pew pew" is silly.
frankly if they weren't that smart scientifically they likely wouldnt of developed as far as they have and EVERY military needs a science division, just because the warrior cast is about pew pew doesnt mean the entire empire is thats been stated multiple times in the tv shows.
Honestly its rediculous I would hands down play a Science Klink I would drop everything else im doing in the game right now for it, because it would be FUN.
evidently if we've learnt anything over the past few months, cryptic doesnt want you to have fun. Otherwise they wouldnt nerf everything (including things that dont need nerfing) and force you to grind.
The enemy also dedicates more to science unlike the "Warrior" Klingons which is a balancing factor. Most of Klingon Science is dedicated to military aspects.
/facepalm yes it really takes a bunch of research to push a button on a device already built.
If you don't want it to blow in your face it knda does... or do you think the would steal the manual too?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
lol, veteran actors lol.. don't get me wrong, I love the actors, and I love that they put them in the game..
but cryptic is getting the bargain brand actors and actresses.. notice how almost all of the actors they have gotten have pretty much been out of work since their shows went off the air.. we don't see a frakes, or mulgrew, or anyone who is "worth" more..
Christ, family guy and the quest for stuff had better voice overs, and much higher quality actors for their star trek game lol..
cryptic is scraping the bottom of the barrel and getting the actors who are on the cheap.. (not a bad thing as b and c list actors are better than no actors/actresses. but going as far to say we are getting veteran actors and making it sound like cryptic spent tons of money on them is a far stretch... especially since the tom paris voice overs were so obiously done over the phone, and he seemed to want to be doing anything but the voice over work.. worst v.o. yet.. lol...
that being said, getting back to the ops rant. the way you change the lack of romulan and kdf stuff, well, you call cbs, and have them create a star trek show that centers around those races..
star trek has always been about the federation. most of the source material cryptic has to work with is federation, so in a canon world, the feds are gonna have quite a bit more.. yes, true, they could make more cryptic designs and what not, but the metrics show that no one is interested in the kdf, romulans...
and I for one am sick of hearing the complaints about this.. jesus, cryptic has gone out of their way to take the differences away from each faction to make them all as fair as balanced as possible.. I mean all the consoles that were faction specific are now available to everyone..
it is not on cryptic, it is on the franchise, and the players.. there is more than enough missions, "toys" and what not that anyone could enjoy any of the factions.. the problem is there is no interest in them, as most star trek fans want to be a federation captain.
I for one would love to see a star trek show that centered around a Klingon or romulan crew.. like that episode in ds9 (name escapes me for the minute) where worf and dax join martoks crew and the whole episode is basically filmed on board that bird of prey.. that was a great and interesting episode..
aside from the lack of population, I've never felt slighted by the ship selection
I've never envied feds swimming in so many different ships, they all seemed to be the same ship more or less, with just nuanced changes. they don't even look all that different, all look like half melted bars of soap.
kdf ships are more unique and strong with good traits
the two sides are different, and that's ok
can't speak to roms, though I hear they like them
but, I am not happy with the new doffing, it's like marauding doffing got castrated
that's not cool
Most Cryptic designs are so damn ugly, I don't buy them anyway. (See the Klingon command BC's)
So, just let me upgrade my B'rel and Vor'cha to keep them up to date. It's even canon !
Regarding the science ship for KDF. Why not ? I mean the ship class how it is represented in the game is complete made up by Cryptic.
How many times did one of the captains in the show scream: spam gravity well and hit them with tractor beam repulsors !
Never happened. Sisko loved his attack pattern Omega, Janeway and Kirk Torpedos: full spread.
I like the continued upgrade idea, it's nice
You forgot Voyager's science phasers. Unknown energy or dimensional rift. Shoot it.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
thing is, I have the Varanus. I even got the fleet modules and upgrade token to have a fleet T5-U Varanus. I have the Qib, and I have the Mat'ha. I don't like the command BC's mainly because I don't feel that the command boff skills actually offer anything.
So is the US Army.
In the Army, everyone is a soldier. However, you have other jobs. Engineer. Scientist. Doctor. Nurse. Medic. Researcher and Development. Networking.
Yes, most Klingons are warriors. They also have other jobs.. they haul freight. They patrol spaceways. They save the Enterprise. They rescue the Federation.
Anyone who thinks Klingons aren't capable of being more than "pew pew stab stab" needs to take a bit of a reality check, and maybe talk to a military veteran.