Geko says no one buys them and they cost too much to make versus how much they will sell. Just a thought though. He mentioned a kickstarter to help actually pay for the development of a KDF science vessel. Why not put proof to the pudding of us wanting such a ship? Ask them to put down a kickstart. If we reach X goal it is worth making a c-store ship for the expected sales. If we reach Y goal they make it a T6 freebie. and I have no idea what is a fair second stretch goal. But again basically if we prepay for it, they will make it.
Does it hurt to ask?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Because you know every single KDF player personally... Brilliant scientific study you did there, I tip my cap to you. :rolleyes:
Where praytell did I say I knew every single KDF player? I merely said everyone I've ever talked to. Nice of you to put words in my mouth.
Star Trek Battles member. Want to roll with a good group of people regardless of fleets and not have to worry about DPS while doing STFs? Come join the channel and join in the fun!
Geko says no one buys them and they cost too much to make versus how much they will sell. Just a thought though. He mentioned a kickstarter to help actually pay for the development of a KDF science vessel. Why not put proof to the pudding of us wanting such a ship? Ask them to put down a kickstart. If we reach X goal it is worth making a c-store ship for the expected sales. If we reach Y goal they make it a T6 freebie. and I have no idea what is a fair second stretch goal. But again basically if we prepay for it, they will make it.
Does it hurt to ask?
I don't play KDF much but even i'd be willing to chip in a few bucks... If for no other reason than to get some peace and quiet on the forums.
Geko says no one buys them and they cost too much to make versus how much they will sell. Just a thought though. He mentioned a kickstarter to help actually pay for the development of a KDF science vessel. Why not put proof to the pudding of us wanting such a ship? Ask them to put down a kickstart. If we reach X goal it is worth making a c-store ship for the expected sales. If we reach Y goal they make it a T6 freebie. and I have no idea what is a fair second stretch goal. But again basically if we prepay for it, they will make it.
Does it hurt to ask?
Does the fact that I've spent the last two days in KDF Science Ship thread hammering out a basic layout of the KDF wanting a decent Science ship, count as proof that we want one?
Geko says no one buys them and they cost too much to make versus how much they will sell. Just a thought though. He mentioned a kickstarter to help actually pay for the development of a KDF science vessel. Why not put proof to the pudding of us wanting such a ship? Ask them to put down a kickstart. If we reach X goal it is worth making a c-store ship for the expected sales. If we reach Y goal they make it a T6 freebie. and I have no idea what is a fair second stretch goal. But again basically if we prepay for it, they will make it.
Does it hurt to ask?
I would contribute heartily to this project if it ever happens.
Cryptic listens to people when they vote with their wallets.
KDF players voted that they don't like science ships.
But that's kind of the circular logic mentioned earlier, no?
Give a subpar version of the DSSV as the only option (paid option for that subpar version compared to the free superior version Feds get)...some folks bought it...some didn't. Is that saying that folks don't want KDF Science Vessels or is that saying folks didn't want that KDF Science Vessel.
The ADSDs were pretty much a fail around...faction didn't matter...so those wouldn't come into it.
What if they did...DSSV, RSV, and some mix of the Nebula/D'Kyr...covering three basic styles there, yeah? Sure, there would be the folks that might have wanted a Klingon instead of Orion or a Nausicaan instead of Gorn or...etc, etc, etc...but with actual choices, they could have turned around and said - nobody bought them, we're not doing any more unless something really awesome comes up that we might be able to copypasta from Fed to KDF that might sell.
Does the fact that I've spent the last two days in KDF Science Ship thread hammering out a basic layout of the KDF wanting a decent Science ship, count as proof that we want one?
We've been having fun but there are only about five of us, so again that doesn't constitue the majority of the KDF playerbase.
The podcast stated that it will get here eventually its just going to take time since they aren't very popular. No amount of yelling on the forums will be enough to convince them otherwise.
I like the Kick-starter idea, i think they should run with it. It will finally put to rest whether or not KDF players want a Science ship.
But that's kind of the circular logic mentioned earlier, no?
Give a subpar version of the DSSV as the only option (paid option for that subpar version compared to the free superior version Feds get)...some folks bought it...some didn't. Is that saying that folks don't want KDF Science Vessels or is that saying folks didn't want that KDF Science Vessel.
The ADSDs were pretty much a fail around...faction didn't matter...so those wouldn't come into it.
What if they did...DSSV, RSV, and some mix of the Nebula/D'Kyr...covering three basic styles there, yeah? Sure, there would be the folks that might have wanted a Klingon instead of Orion or a Nausicaan instead of Gorn or...etc, etc, etc...but with actual choices, they could have turned around and said - nobody bought them, we're not doing any more unless something really awesome comes up that we might be able to copypasta from Fed to KDF that might sell.
You say the ADSD were a fail and yet provide absolutely no proof. Forgive me if i believe the actual company that made them... :rolleyes:
Whether they were popular or not they still would have given cryptic a generally idea of the ratio of Which factions like Science and which do not. To be honest, since science ships are so sparse on the KDF faction they should have sold like Hotcakes no matter.
We've been having fun but there are only about five of us, so again that doesn't constitue the majority of the KDF playerbase.
The podcast stated that it will get here eventually its just going to take time since they aren't very popular. No amount of yelling on the forums will be enough to convince them otherwsie.
I like the Kick-starter idea, i think they should run with it. It will finally put to rest whether or not KDF players want a Science ship.
I know. The kick-starter is a good idea. It's good that every that has pitched in on that has helped. Even the ones that flamed my first few setups. After taking a rough basis off the Scryer, adding some KDF touches to it. It seems to have leveled out to a sci ship that everyone can agree on. It's on par with a Federation T6, but it isn't exactly the same, nor is it over powered. Which was my main goal there.
And they need proof of it still. There's like 5 or 6 ACTIVE threads here in general discussion. Most of them revolving around a KDF Science Ship. Others revovling around story arcs and missing costumes.
But over all, I'm actually seeing a pretty high demand for a decent KDF Science Vessel.
to take a existing ship and change it stats to be a science ship would take a entire afternoon for cryptic............. If that , At most a few easy days
Too make a new model would take a lot of time and effort for little reward on their part
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
to take a existing ship and change it stats to be a science ship would take a entire afternoon for cryptic............. If that , At most a few easy days
Too make a new model would take a lot of time and effort for little reward on their part
Geko mentioned a KDF Science ship might just be a re-skin of an old one.
Whether they were popular or not they still would have given cryptic a generally idea of the ratio of Which factions like Science and which do not. To be honest, since science ships are so sparse on the KDF faction they should have sold like Hotcakes no matter.
The sheer level of dumbassery of that statement is overwhelming.
Cryptic: We will give them TRIBBLE, and they will buy TRIBBLE, because we give them nothing else!
samt1996: Cryptic, I love you!
Geko mentioned a KDF Science ship might just be a re-skin of an old one.
Which is what I did. I just used the Corsair Flight-deck Cruiser as the base for it, well it's where I actually got my idea from. Add a few design changes to that. Then, just started working on the stats.
I mean I don't care if it's a reskin.
Hell if you look at it. The KDF T6 Science Command Battlecruiser. Is just a reskined Fleet Corsair with more hull. So it not like they haven't done it already.
They probably listen to the ones who have ever bought a C-store ship and the ones whomever haven't bought a C-store ship.
Better tell whomever wants decent KDF Science ships to buy the existing KDF Science-based ships first.
Exactly. If you want the devs to make more science ships BUY and fly science ships. Going "oh, it's a clone, I don't like it..." yeah that doesn't get heard by the devs. What they hear is you not buying science ships.
Which is what I did. I just used the Corsair Flight-deck Cruiser as the base for it, well it's where I actually got my idea from. Add a few design changes to that. Then, just started working on the stats.
I mean I don't care if it's a reskin.
Hell if you look at it. The KDF T6 Science Command Battlecruiser. Is just a reskined Fleet Corsair with more hull. So it not like they haven't done it already.
The Klinzhai isn't a reskin. That's a new model.
A reskin would be using a current model.
For example, say they did a KDF Vesta...using the Vesta stats but the Dacoit model for the ship. That would be a reskin.
They were talking about the possibility that if there is a neat Fed Sci Boat, they might copypasta it on to the Varanaus model. Initially he had said perhaps with a new skin - then it even lost that...would just be the Varanus with the copypasta stats of whatever ship the Feds got.
Exactly. If you want the devs to make more science ships BUY and fly science ships. Going "oh, it's a clone, I don't like it..." yeah that doesn't get heard by the devs. What they hear is you not buying science ships.
The Varanus is not just a clone...it's a subpar clone...it's a 2000 Zen subpar clone of a free ship.
Just buying it to buy it...tells Cryptic that the KDF are a bunch of dumbasses that will buy garbage.
Not buying it...telling them why it was not bought...on the other hand would be a good thing.
It could even lead to them making adjustments to the ship that's already in play and already has a model.
Then if players still don't buy it...then they might have something.
For example, say they did a KDF Vesta...using the Vesta stats but the Dacoit model for the ship. That would be a reskin.
They were talking about the possibility that if there is a neat Fed Sci Boat, they might copypasta it on to the Varanaus model. Initially he had said perhaps with a new skin - then it even lost that...would just be the Varanus with the copypasta stats of whatever ship the Feds got.
The Varanus is not just a clone...it's a subpar clone...it's a 2000 Zen subpar clone of a free ship.
Just buying it to buy it...tells Cryptic that the KDF are a bunch of dumbasses that will buy garbage.
Not buying it...telling them why it was not bought...on the other hand would be a good thing.
It could even lead to them making adjustments to the ship that's already in play and already has a model.
Then if players still don't buy it...then they might have something.
Hmmm *looks up stats*
Varanus gets -.1 shield mod, +250 crew, +7 inertia, and -5 aux power compared to the DSSV.
compared to a Fed science ship that cost 2k zen(Nebula), well the only stat the Varanus has that's better than the Nebula is it's turn rate, everything else is either the same or slightly weaker.
It's not about stats. A reskin is using another ship model for the stats of another ship. The Klinzhai model is a new ship model.
There is not going to be a new model of ship created.
They will reuse a current model of ship...giving it new stats.
As Geko stated, using the Varanus model again for whatever Sci Vessel the KDF might get.
A new model and everything that would go into it (all the FX, all the visuals, etc) would cost too much.
Which is why I don't mind if it's a reskin.
As far as I'm concerned. Take the ship the players hammered out. Slap a Fleet Corsair reskin on it, add in all the T6 bells and whistles they already have for a T6 and call it a day.
As for a new model. I'm willing to donate zen/cash to that. As long as,
A) It was slated as Priority #1 Daily/Weekly Updates on the progress were shown, inlcuding rough draft art, and programming art.
C) There was an Official, public announcement from Cryptic stating that all donations go to said project and that no other project will be undertaken until it is comeplete.
I'm not one to pre-pay for a project and have them drag it out.
Varanus gets -.1 shield mod, +250 crew, +7 inertia, and -5 aux power compared to the DSSV.
compared to a Fed science ship that cost 2k zen(Nebula), well the only stat the Varanus has that's better than the Nebula is it's turn rate, everything else is either the same or slightly weaker.
That's precisely why it's no wonder why the Varanus didn't sell well.
$20 for a ship that's inferior to a free Fed ship.
I have a T5-U K'tinga brought with in-game EC, and frankly I will not buy another Klingon ship period- end of story*. Unless they produce a T5-U or T-6 T'liss, the same applies to my Romulan alt.
To many options, too much grinding, too little time, too little money means- it all goes to the Fed. And it seems to be that way for most players of the game.
Be happy for what you do get. Packages like the Command Ships and the coming Pilot ships. Revamps of your in-game artwork. And other gifts now and then. It's rather nice that Cryptic offers that much to be honest.
*As a side note, this of course is the real reasons why there is no T5-U Connie as the same result would apply there. As is, I did buy other Fed ships until now because they didn't produce one that I wanted for my end game.
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Because you know every single KDF player personally... Brilliant scientific study you did there, I tip my cap to you. :rolleyes:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1445781
Geko says no one buys them and they cost too much to make versus how much they will sell. Just a thought though. He mentioned a kickstarter to help actually pay for the development of a KDF science vessel. Why not put proof to the pudding of us wanting such a ship? Ask them to put down a kickstart. If we reach X goal it is worth making a c-store ship for the expected sales. If we reach Y goal they make it a T6 freebie. and I have no idea what is a fair second stretch goal. But again basically if we prepay for it, they will make it.
Does it hurt to ask?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Where praytell did I say I knew every single KDF player? I merely said everyone I've ever talked to. Nice of you to put words in my mouth.
Star Trek Battles member. Want to roll with a good group of people regardless of fleets and not have to worry about DPS while doing STFs? Come join the channel and join in the fun!
http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
There's really only one way to respond to that...
F**k You.
I don't play KDF much but even i'd be willing to chip in a few bucks... If for no other reason than to get some peace and quiet on the forums.
Does the fact that I've spent the last two days in KDF Science Ship thread hammering out a basic layout of the KDF wanting a decent Science ship, count as proof that we want one?
Well then, "Everyone i've talked to" does not constitute the entire KDF playerbase.
Better?
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But that's kind of the circular logic mentioned earlier, no?
Give a subpar version of the DSSV as the only option (paid option for that subpar version compared to the free superior version Feds get)...some folks bought it...some didn't. Is that saying that folks don't want KDF Science Vessels or is that saying folks didn't want that KDF Science Vessel.
The ADSDs were pretty much a fail around...faction didn't matter...so those wouldn't come into it.
What if they did...DSSV, RSV, and some mix of the Nebula/D'Kyr...covering three basic styles there, yeah? Sure, there would be the folks that might have wanted a Klingon instead of Orion or a Nausicaan instead of Gorn or...etc, etc, etc...but with actual choices, they could have turned around and said - nobody bought them, we're not doing any more unless something really awesome comes up that we might be able to copypasta from Fed to KDF that might sell.
We've been having fun but there are only about five of us, so again that doesn't constitue the majority of the KDF playerbase.
The podcast stated that it will get here eventually its just going to take time since they aren't very popular. No amount of yelling on the forums will be enough to convince them otherwise.
I like the Kick-starter idea, i think they should run with it. It will finally put to rest whether or not KDF players want a Science ship.
You say the ADSD were a fail and yet provide absolutely no proof. Forgive me if i believe the actual company that made them... :rolleyes:
Whether they were popular or not they still would have given cryptic a generally idea of the ratio of Which factions like Science and which do not. To be honest, since science ships are so sparse on the KDF faction they should have sold like Hotcakes no matter.
I know. The kick-starter is a good idea. It's good that every that has pitched in on that has helped. Even the ones that flamed my first few setups. After taking a rough basis off the Scryer, adding some KDF touches to it. It seems to have leveled out to a sci ship that everyone can agree on. It's on par with a Federation T6, but it isn't exactly the same, nor is it over powered. Which was my main goal there.
And they need proof of it still. There's like 5 or 6 ACTIVE threads here in general discussion. Most of them revolving around a KDF Science Ship. Others revovling around story arcs and missing costumes.
But over all, I'm actually seeing a pretty high demand for a decent KDF Science Vessel.
Too make a new model would take a lot of time and effort for little reward on their part
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Geko mentioned a KDF Science ship might just be a re-skin of an old one.
Perhaps instead of rolling your eyes, you'd take a single moment to open them and look around...it would have been clear.
The sheer level of dumbassery of that statement is overwhelming.
Cryptic: We will give them TRIBBLE, and they will buy TRIBBLE, because we give them nothing else!
samt1996: Cryptic, I love you!
/facepalm
As an in-game Zen contribution or an out-of-game cash pledge?
Question is, which of us designs it?
Don't look it me by the way, I only draw humans.
Edit: We'll also have help spreading the word about it.
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Which is what I did. I just used the Corsair Flight-deck Cruiser as the base for it, well it's where I actually got my idea from. Add a few design changes to that. Then, just started working on the stats.
I mean I don't care if it's a reskin.
Hell if you look at it. The KDF T6 Science Command Battlecruiser. Is just a reskined Fleet Corsair with more hull. So it not like they haven't done it already.
My character Tsin'xing
The Klinzhai isn't a reskin. That's a new model.
A reskin would be using a current model.
For example, say they did a KDF Vesta...using the Vesta stats but the Dacoit model for the ship. That would be a reskin.
They were talking about the possibility that if there is a neat Fed Sci Boat, they might copypasta it on to the Varanaus model. Initially he had said perhaps with a new skin - then it even lost that...would just be the Varanus with the copypasta stats of whatever ship the Feds got.
The Varanus is not just a clone...it's a subpar clone...it's a 2000 Zen subpar clone of a free ship.
Just buying it to buy it...tells Cryptic that the KDF are a bunch of dumbasses that will buy garbage.
Not buying it...telling them why it was not bought...on the other hand would be a good thing.
It could even lead to them making adjustments to the ship that's already in play and already has a model.
Then if players still don't buy it...then they might have something.
My character Tsin'xing
I'd rather they reused other models, personally - since we've already got the FT5U Varanus.
There's the Draguas.
There's the Phalanx.
There's the Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser model that's not being used at T5.
These aren't NPC ships they'd have to touch up...they're already player ships.
Course, it would get into firing points, eh? Hrmm....
Dacoit's already sporting 3/3...so the FX for the ship are already set.
The Phalanx is 3/2...so it's short one aft.
Draguas already has 3/3 though.
Fleet Corsair Flight-deck Cruiser
Lt Tac, Com Engin, Lt Engi, LtC Sci, Lt Sci
Consoles 4/2/4
Fore 4
Aft 4
Hull 39000
Shield 1.1
Crew 1750
Base Turn 8
Device 4
Hangar Bay 1
T6 Science-Commonad Battlercruiser
Lt Tac, Lt Engi, Com Engi, LtC Sci, Lt Uni
Consoles: 4/3/4
Fore 4
Aft 4
Hull 57200
Shield 1.1
Crew 1500
Base Turn 8
Device 4
Hangar Bay 1
They changed the Lt Sci to an Lt Univeral, added hull and1 tac console from the Fleet Corsair, and cut the crew by 250.
LMFAO
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Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
It's not about stats. A reskin is using another ship model for the stats of another ship. The Klinzhai model is a new ship model.
There is not going to be a new model of ship created.
They will reuse a current model of ship...giving it new stats.
As Geko stated, using the Varanus model again for whatever Sci Vessel the KDF might get.
A new model and everything that would go into it (all the FX, all the visuals, etc) would cost too much.
Basically, something like a Dauntless that looks like a Varanus.
True, but the ones I remember were working for or marginalized by the military.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Varanus gets -.1 shield mod, +250 crew, +7 inertia, and -5 aux power compared to the DSSV.
compared to a Fed science ship that cost 2k zen(Nebula), well the only stat the Varanus has that's better than the Nebula is it's turn rate, everything else is either the same or slightly weaker.
My character Tsin'xing
Which is why I don't mind if it's a reskin.
As far as I'm concerned. Take the ship the players hammered out. Slap a Fleet Corsair reskin on it, add in all the T6 bells and whistles they already have for a T6 and call it a day.
As for a new model. I'm willing to donate zen/cash to that. As long as,
A) It was slated as Priority #1
C) There was an Official, public announcement from Cryptic stating that all donations go to said project and that no other project will be undertaken until it is comeplete.
I'm not one to pre-pay for a project and have them drag it out.
That's precisely why it's no wonder why the Varanus didn't sell well.
$20 for a ship that's inferior to a free Fed ship.
To many options, too much grinding, too little time, too little money means- it all goes to the Fed. And it seems to be that way for most players of the game.
Be happy for what you do get. Packages like the Command Ships and the coming Pilot ships. Revamps of your in-game artwork. And other gifts now and then. It's rather nice that Cryptic offers that much to be honest.
*As a side note, this of course is the real reasons why there is no T5-U Connie as the same result would apply there. As is, I did buy other Fed ships until now because they didn't produce one that I wanted for my end game.