Please move the removed missions over to the Foundry , if possible along with any other single or multi player missions that have been removed in the past .
Seriously. More than a dozen episodes removed (I'm including the merged ones that are now part of a single episode). This is a crying shame. I think you people at Cryptic are pretty nuts for doing this. Please please put them into the Foundry.
Everything else about this update is good, really, I'm super happy about it and I praise you for it (Yay, secondary deflectors finally debut!)("Added buttons to select all/select none on the Fleet Duty Officer donation screen." DIOS MIO!!!! *faints*) but the removal of so many episodes is just a huge punch to the gut. Why must you always accompany awesome patches with something terrible?
Or remove them from the episode guide in the mission journal and leave them as available interacts on their respective star systems the same way you did with the old patrol missions that used to be part of the mission journal.
Each PADD to create a Manual costs 500 dilithium and takes four hours...
I guess it could have been worse.
Okay I lied. Not everything else about this update is good and praiseworthy. This is not cool. At most they should be 300 dilithium and 5 minutes of waiting. Wait 4 hours to train a boff? And if I want to craft 5 of them TWENTY HOURS?? No way. I most certainly hope this is just a WIP and the time will be reduced within the next tribble patch or two.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
I rather think they remove them for a complete overhaul. Didnt they do something like this last year with a few missions too?
Well I may be wrong. But all the 'missions removed for overhaul' have been MIA ever since, and that's many months to years in timescale. I can't recall them actually adding back a mission that was previously removed. Either it's revamped right away, or gone.
And yeah, as much as I'd like the Sarr Theln buffed at least in one stat, it's no science ship --> no Secondary Deflector. It's a full carrier.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Seriously. More than a dozen episodes removed (I'm including the merged ones that are now part of a single episode). This is a crying shame. I think you people at Cryptic are pretty nuts for doing this. Please please put them into the Foundry.
Everything else about this update is good, really, I'm super happy about it and I praise you for it (Yay, secondary deflectors finally debut!)("Added buttons to select all/select none on the Fleet Duty Officer donation screen." DIOS MIO!!!! *faints*) but the removal of so many episodes is just a huge punch to the gut. Why must you always accompany awesome patches with something terrible?
Or remove them from the episode guide in the mission journal and leave them as available interacts on their respective star systems the same way you did with the old patrol missions that used to be part of the mission journal.
Okay I lied. Not everything else about this update is good and praiseworthy. This is not cool. At most they should be 300 dilithium and 5 minutes of waiting. Wait 4 hours to train a boff? And if I want to craft 5 of them TWENTY HOURS?? No way. I most certainly hope this is just a WIP and the time will be reduced within the next tribble patch or two.
Actually that's just to create the PADD, it's another 20 hour wait to actually get a Manual.
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Okay I lied. Not everything else about this update is good and praiseworthy. This is not cool. At most they should be 300 dilithium and 5 minutes of waiting. Wait 4 hours to train a boff? And if I want to craft 5 of them TWENTY HOURS?? No way. I most certainly hope this is just a WIP and the time will be reduced within the next tribble patch or two.
With the way the paradigm has been since DR, this is probably the only thing that is set in stone.
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I'm pretty sure when I looked at the UI that Manuals themselves only take 30 seconds to make. Or maybe I looked a the wrong thing?
Nope -- I made a manual in 30 seconds
I did rush the PADD Creation since dill is free on Tribble, but it only took 30 seconds to make the manual after the PADD was created.
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Its rare that I say this but it seems crapt, err I mean cryptic, has actually done something right with this training system. The cost of 500 dil per pad is not absurd, and its only for the tier 3 abilities. If you want a tier 1 or 2 ability thats just 250-10,000 EC from the boff vendor. Once trained you can swap abilities like you do traits, so no more need to have a boff for every ability you want to be able to swap to.
I am more than happy to pay 500 dil per ability for the convenience of not having to have multiple boffs for every different setup and being able to train things like eptw3 on my tac without having to transfer boffs to an engineer.
Now if only they could get character transfers to tribble working.
It may be covered in the blog post about the revamp of romulan mystery, but are Accolades from the removed missions going to be added somewhere or are they now lost to future characters and players?
Stop it, Cryptic. We're all for a revamp, for better quality content, but removing stuff really becomes annoying. Some of us really enjoy to run these old missions, however old and poor they were. Least you could do is add some kind of NPC that would still grant these episodes to people who want it.
Nice revamp. Excellent layout. It's not going to be a problem AND it's a vast improvement on how we train bridge officers.
The biggest bonus - bridge officer can have at least 2 powers in each slot (at least from my test). That means I can 'reconfigure' officers. That has to be the best change so far in 2015.
Please stop spamming things like this. If you don't get a response from Cryptic, that does not mean your report has been ignored or overlooked - we simply don't have time to respond to everyone individually.
The Bug Forum is the correct place to post any reports of this nature.
Then get one person (probably from Community management team) who will only work at keeping bug section "clean" (merging topics about same bugs, etc.) and be some sort of bride between dev team and playerbase.
He/she would simply bring weekly reports to devs with info "This week x number of players reported specific bug" and get return info for players (working on solution, low priority, working as intended, etc.)
There are bug which didn't get any responds for more then three years (check my sig), and not even telling us that they are known is bad PR for you.
Examples:
- Beam Overload 3
- Auxiliary to SIF 3
- Torpedo Spread 3 (unless you want to use the Jem'Hadar Boff)
- Tractor Beam Repulsor 3 (unless you want to use the Reman Boff)
Well I may be wrong. But all the 'missions removed for overhaul' have been MIA ever since, and that's many months to years in timescale. I can't recall them actually adding back a mission that was previously removed. Either it's revamped right away, or gone.
Pretty much, "State of Q" i.E. there was talk about Revamping it with some Sisko VO etc ... but nope nothing ...
If people still think they're removing stuff for an complete overhaul, they probably missed the last year ... Exploration Clusters & Memory Alpha etc etc ... if they would actually revamp everything they removed over the years, it'll probably an bigger Expansion than DR ...
PS : Before they'll bring back anything, they'll probably butcher the Cardassian Story Arc next ... followed by "PVE-Queue Revamp" :P
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I join the crowd, 11missions removed for 4 added, that's a net loss of 7.
I understand that some of them were terribad, and I'm actually happy to see them go, like "divide et empera" and "preemptive strike". But some of them, while not on the same quality than newer episode, were still good enough (I'm thinking saturday's child (probably one of the few with diplomacy involved, in a way), trapped...).
Other than that, I'm patching tribble and I'll test all of that.
On a side note, less mission means less XP for a new player, and he'll reach the next rank more slowly. Today it means more grind when he'll reach DR. Not to mention the future spec point.
Well I can't test anything at the moment because the character transfer feature doesn't work, and I had deleted my Tribble characters in the hope that they would reset or whatever.
All this really sounds excellent. It is sad to see so much Romulan content removed, but it makes sense. Could they however be retained as side quests? Some new quest givers could be placed on 39 to send people out on them outside of the normal story line. Except the you-know-what one of course which is best left unavailable.
Examples:
- Beam Overload 3
- Auxiliary to SIF 3
- Torpedo Spread 3 (unless you want to use the Jem'Hadar Boff)
- Tractor Beam Repulsor 3 (unless you want to use the Reman Boff)
You craft the training manuals from officer training, and then train a boff in that ability.
We wont need others to train career specific level 3 abilities, as an Engineer, for example, will be able to train Tac and Sci abilities, as well.
I myself (On my Engineer main) crafted and trained TS3, BO3 and FAW3.
We will also no longer need to keep 4 different boffs for different builds, either, as one boff can be them all!!
Really liking this update; we just need to have a tutorial within the game, as finding how to use and train with manuals, isn't very intuitive..
the update is great. I love the idea of the revamped Romulan episodes, even if we lose some for a while (or forever, not sure).
The new training is great -- it will be very helpful for alts/friends, etc..
I took a look at all of the new 'Command Officer' skills, and they sound pretty cool.
Also, the new trait(s) that unlock from it sound neat. (no more "low health" for fleet support, and rank 1/2 = 5 min/10 min reduction in their cooldowns).
The bonus for "points spent" is for: hull hitpoints, and health hp (ground).
The defera fix is much appreciated.
I presume that the bridge officer -only skills might be tied into parts of the skill tree, that didnt have them before; because they said nothing would be lost, even though I did a quick look and didn't see them, yet, it's still a work-in-progress
Vulnerability locator consoles are broken again. It got fixed on a tribble patch then got broken in a newer patch and never made it live. We cannot upgrade projectile consoles with projectile tech.
Pretty much, "State of Q" i.E. there was talk about Revamping it with some Sisko VO etc ... but nope nothing ...
If people still think they're removing stuff for an complete overhaul, they probably missed the last year ... Exploration Clusters & Memory Alpha etc etc ... if they would actually revamp everything they removed over the years, it'll probably an bigger Expansion than DR ...
PS : Before they'll bring back anything, they'll probably butcher the Cardassian Story Arc next ... followed by "PVE-Queue Revamp" :P
Hmm, a lot of missions removed. Experience points need to be fixed. The Xp amounts are still terrible.
Also, costume issues.
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I agree about the XP points. I'd hate to see huge leveling gaps open up, like we see in the DR content.
They did a nice job with the Borg mission revamp, so I'm hopeful this will be similar.
I won't be TOO sorry to see a few of the Romulan missions go, but it would have been preferable to see them updated, instead of eliminated. Its always sad to see content removed.
It's not just the xp gain that's being lost. Each mission completion gave a chunk of points to advance in level, and I really doubt that these new missions are going to come close to the amount lost as far as that goes. But it's also the mission rewards-often important to getting your ship equipped as you level. That's seven pieces of usually-better-than-dropped gear lost.
I'm continually appalled at how the devs here blithely continue to remove content. Although I'll admit one would be hard pressed to find anyone sorry to see Divide et Impera gone...
"State of Q" wasn't set anywhere near the Bajoran Wormhole, though ... it was set on the U.S.S. Saratoga during the Battle of Wolf 359, long before the Wormhole was even discovered ...
Sure maybe they changed the Story completely ... but that's a hell of a stretch ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
This just seems like more and more grind for some fluff.
I did kind of laugh when of the huge list of ships getting a secondary deflector the varanus and dyson for c-store upgraded fleet ships basically and then the lockbox time ship. They could have atleast thrown a bone out to the vo'quv.
As much as I want to anticipate or get excited about releases coming out the shear burn out on the grind just has me wanting to go elsewhere since the game is not designed to be fun lol. It is funny how they made that snow borg thing that was more designed around fun but when they make releases like these mentioned in tribble notes that its all about grinding something lol.
This times 199693048975383859236479362197356517965795479549758517. Although, I think that the Foundry is an extremely simplified version of the development tools, so not sure this works. In that case, let them be on Tribble for people to recreate. Or let them in the game, but out of the story arc (thinking a Traelus System kind of mission here).
It doesn't work that way, they can't move mission to the foundry, and they can't move mission from the foundry from what I've heard.
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For the same reason the Atrox, and Voquv arent on there.
Seriously. More than a dozen episodes removed (I'm including the merged ones that are now part of a single episode). This is a crying shame. I think you people at Cryptic are pretty nuts for doing this. Please please put them into the Foundry.
Everything else about this update is good, really, I'm super happy about it and I praise you for it (Yay, secondary deflectors finally debut!)("Added buttons to select all/select none on the Fleet Duty Officer donation screen." DIOS MIO!!!! *faints*) but the removal of so many episodes is just a huge punch to the gut. Why must you always accompany awesome patches with something terrible?
Or remove them from the episode guide in the mission journal and leave them as available interacts on their respective star systems the same way you did with the old patrol missions that used to be part of the mission journal.
Okay I lied. Not everything else about this update is good and praiseworthy. This is not cool. At most they should be 300 dilithium and 5 minutes of waiting. Wait 4 hours to train a boff? And if I want to craft 5 of them TWENTY HOURS?? No way. I most certainly hope this is just a WIP and the time will be reduced within the next tribble patch or two.
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Well I may be wrong. But all the 'missions removed for overhaul' have been MIA ever since, and that's many months to years in timescale. I can't recall them actually adding back a mission that was previously removed. Either it's revamped right away, or gone.
And yeah, as much as I'd like the Sarr Theln buffed at least in one stat, it's no science ship --> no Secondary Deflector. It's a full carrier.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Actually that's just to create the PADD, it's another 20 hour wait to actually get a Manual.
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With the way the paradigm has been since DR, this is probably the only thing that is set in stone.
I'm pretty sure when I looked at the UI that Manuals themselves only take 30 seconds to make. Or maybe I looked a the wrong thing?
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Nope -- I made a manual in 30 seconds
I did rush the PADD Creation since dill is free on Tribble, but it only took 30 seconds to make the manual after the PADD was created.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Or we wait until more is revealed
The responses so far have been all over the board.
I almost expect to see a dilithium charge to dock at ESD.
I am more than happy to pay 500 dil per ability for the convenience of not having to have multiple boffs for every different setup and being able to train things like eptw3 on my tac without having to transfer boffs to an engineer.
Now if only they could get character transfers to tribble working.
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Stop it, Cryptic. We're all for a revamp, for better quality content, but removing stuff really becomes annoying. Some of us really enjoy to run these old missions, however old and poor they were. Least you could do is add some kind of NPC that would still grant these episodes to people who want it.
Nice revamp. Excellent layout. It's not going to be a problem AND it's a vast improvement on how we train bridge officers.
The biggest bonus - bridge officer can have at least 2 powers in each slot (at least from my test). That means I can 'reconfigure' officers. That has to be the best change so far in 2015.
My first thoughts here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21658791&postcount=42
Then get one person (probably from Community management team) who will only work at keeping bug section "clean" (merging topics about same bugs, etc.) and be some sort of bride between dev team and playerbase.
He/she would simply bring weekly reports to devs with info "This week x number of players reported specific bug" and get return info for players (working on solution, low priority, working as intended, etc.)
There are bug which didn't get any responds for more then three years (check my sig), and not even telling us that they are known is bad PR for you.
Examples:
- Beam Overload 3
- Auxiliary to SIF 3
- Torpedo Spread 3 (unless you want to use the Jem'Hadar Boff)
- Tractor Beam Repulsor 3 (unless you want to use the Reman Boff)
Pretty much, "State of Q" i.E. there was talk about Revamping it with some Sisko VO etc ... but nope nothing ...
If people still think they're removing stuff for an complete overhaul, they probably missed the last year ... Exploration Clusters & Memory Alpha etc etc ... if they would actually revamp everything they removed over the years, it'll probably an bigger Expansion than DR ...
PS : Before they'll bring back anything, they'll probably butcher the Cardassian Story Arc next ... followed by "PVE-Queue Revamp" :P
I understand that some of them were terribad, and I'm actually happy to see them go, like "divide et empera" and "preemptive strike". But some of them, while not on the same quality than newer episode, were still good enough (I'm thinking saturday's child (probably one of the few with diplomacy involved, in a way), trapped...).
Other than that, I'm patching tribble and I'll test all of that.
On a side note, less mission means less XP for a new player, and he'll reach the next rank more slowly. Today it means more grind when he'll reach DR. Not to mention the future spec point.
You craft the training manuals from officer training, and then train a boff in that ability.
We wont need others to train career specific level 3 abilities, as an Engineer, for example, will be able to train Tac and Sci abilities, as well.
I myself (On my Engineer main) crafted and trained TS3, BO3 and FAW3.
We will also no longer need to keep 4 different boffs for different builds, either, as one boff can be them all!!
Really liking this update; we just need to have a tutorial within the game, as finding how to use and train with manuals, isn't very intuitive..
The new training is great -- it will be very helpful for alts/friends, etc..
I took a look at all of the new 'Command Officer' skills, and they sound pretty cool.
Also, the new trait(s) that unlock from it sound neat. (no more "low health" for fleet support, and rank 1/2 = 5 min/10 min reduction in their cooldowns).
The bonus for "points spent" is for: hull hitpoints, and health hp (ground).
The defera fix is much appreciated.
I presume that the bridge officer -only skills might be tied into parts of the skill tree, that didnt have them before; because they said nothing would be lost, even though I did a quick look and didn't see them, yet, it's still a work-in-progress
Cheers.
It's possible "State of Q" might be coming back for the anniversary episode; it could be why the Borg have been observed near DS9 now: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9061053-star-trek-online
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I agree about the XP points. I'd hate to see huge leveling gaps open up, like we see in the DR content.
They did a nice job with the Borg mission revamp, so I'm hopeful this will be similar.
I won't be TOO sorry to see a few of the Romulan missions go, but it would have been preferable to see them updated, instead of eliminated. Its always sad to see content removed.
It's not just the xp gain that's being lost. Each mission completion gave a chunk of points to advance in level, and I really doubt that these new missions are going to come close to the amount lost as far as that goes. But it's also the mission rewards-often important to getting your ship equipped as you level. That's seven pieces of usually-better-than-dropped gear lost.
I'm continually appalled at how the devs here blithely continue to remove content. Although I'll admit one would be hard pressed to find anyone sorry to see Divide et Impera gone...
"State of Q" wasn't set anywhere near the Bajoran Wormhole, though ... it was set on the U.S.S. Saratoga during the Battle of Wolf 359, long before the Wormhole was even discovered ...
Sure maybe they changed the Story completely ... but that's a hell of a stretch ...
I did kind of laugh when of the huge list of ships getting a secondary deflector the varanus and dyson for c-store upgraded fleet ships basically and then the lockbox time ship. They could have atleast thrown a bone out to the vo'quv.
As much as I want to anticipate or get excited about releases coming out the shear burn out on the grind just has me wanting to go elsewhere since the game is not designed to be fun lol. It is funny how they made that snow borg thing that was more designed around fun but when they make releases like these mentioned in tribble notes that its all about grinding something lol.
It doesn't work that way, they can't move mission to the foundry, and they can't move mission from the foundry from what I've heard.
Thats a bug, look at the patch notes, and read the BOFF Abilities Blog.