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TRIBBLE Maintenance and Release Notes - January 9, 2015

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  • crazyned1066crazyned1066 Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    This just seems like more and more grind for some fluff.

    I did kind of laugh when of the huge list of ships getting a secondary deflector the varanus and dyson for c-store upgraded fleet ships basically and then the lockbox time ship. They could have atleast thrown a bone out to the vo'quv.

    As much as I want to anticipate or get excited about releases coming out the shear burn out on the grind just has me wanting to go elsewhere since the game is not designed to be fun lol. It is funny how they made that snow borg thing that was more designed around fun but when they make releases like these mentioned in tribble notes that its all about grinding something lol.

    Without understanding the details, I worry that the new BOFF training system is going to be another flash point to ignite player rage.

    If crafting is required to obtain the quality of BOFFs we currently have, it will likely be the last straw for many players who are already disgusted with huge amounts of busy work and money this game requires.

    Any time I see anything tied to crafting, it makes me cringe.
  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    [*]Episodes which have been removed are:
    • “Saturday’s Child”

    Goodbye, Admiral Leonard James Akkaar. We hardly knew your STO incarnation. May you live on long and prosper in the novelverse...
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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,388 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Romulan Mystery Arc Revamp
    • The Romulan Mystery episode arc has been updated to deliver higher quality of content as well as link this arc to the events which occur within Legacy of Romulus.
    • Episodes which have been removed are:
      • “Under the Cover of Night”
      • “Minefield”
      • “Divide et Impera”
      • “Saturday’s Child”
      • “Preemptive Strike”
      • “Hunting the Hunters”
      • “Project Nightingale”
      • “Ground Zero”
      • “Ghost Ship”
      • “Friend of My Enemy”
      • “Trapped”
    It'd be nice to have an option somewhere that allows us access to the removed episodes from this, and other arcs, as a way of continuing to enjoy the work that went into their creation.
    Perhaps a 'holographic archive' of past missions could be unlocked through the various reputation systems?
    Romulan Mystery Arc Revamp
    • Players who have already completed the original Romulan Mystery Arc will not be required to play the 4 new missions.
      • Additionally, players who have already completed this arc will have instant access to play the 4 new missions.
    By my count, that's 15 episodes being removed from the game and only 4 added.
    That's a net loss of 11 episodes. You're going to have to start reducing your monthly subscription fee & lifetime pricing if you keep cutting chunks out the game like this! ;)


    Whilst I'm here, I'd also have to ask about the previous removal of the Exploration Clusters:
    "Exploration" is a key factor of Star Trek and the removal of the clusters removes from the game a little of what makes it Star Trek. When they were removed, First Contact and Diplomatic missions in these clusters were also removed.
    Are there plans to have these types of missions added back in through the 'nodes' that were left in place in Sector Space?
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    "State of Q" wasn't set anywhere near the Bajoran Wormhole, though ... it was set on the U.S.S. Saratoga during the Battle of Wolf 359, long before the Wormhole was even discovered ...

    Sure maybe they changed the Story completely ... but that's a hell of a stretch ...

    The wormhole is capable of time travel as seen in DS9, and it's more closely connected to Sisko than Q ever was. If the Borg now threaten Sisko back at Wolf 359 via time travel, then the Prophets are the obvious choice for sending us back in time to prevent his death there; they have a vested interest in doing so since they are responsible for Sisko existing in the first place.
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    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    amosov78 wrote: »
    The wormhole is capable of time travel as seen in DS9, and it's more closely connected to Sisko than Q ever was. If the Borg now threaten Sisko back at Wolf 359 via time travel, then the Prophets are the obvious choice for sending us back in time to prevent his death there; they have a vested interest in doing so since they are responsible for Sisko existing in the first place.

    So it's "State of Q" without Q ? And the Borg suddenly need a Wormhole to travel back in Time after traveling back in time on their own during the Battle of Wolf 359, they're now using the Wormhole to travel to 30 years later ? Besides why would the Borg care about Sisko & Wolf 359, they already "won", the only reason Earth was not assimilated was Picard showing up later, after the Saratoga already went boom ... other than that, there was no Link between Sisko & the Borg ... if the Borg would want to kill anyone it'd be Picard (he stopped the Borg twice after Wolf 359 & in 2063)...

    Sisko was just some unimportant guy at Wolf 359 which (Captains) Ship blew up pretty fast ... so what's the deal here ... are they traveling back in time, to blow up Siskos Ship a little bit faster by accident ?

    PS : If it's just a Story about Borg, the Wormhole (& maybe Sisko for some reason) ... it's not really a Revamp ...
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
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  • mvp333mvp333 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    suaveks wrote: »
    More content! Content removal that is...

    Stop it, Cryptic. We're all for a revamp, for better quality content, but removing stuff really becomes annoying. Some of us really enjoy to run these old missions, however old and poor they were. Least you could do is add some kind of NPC that would still grant these episodes to people who want it.

    How about somehow integrating those old missions into the Fleet Starbase holodeck, or maybe a holodeck (or a bridge console, for ships without proper interiors) on our own ships?
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    So it's "State of Q" without Q ? And the Borg suddenly need a Wormhole to travel back in Time after traveling back in time on their own during the Battle of Wolf 359, they're now using the Wormhole to travel to 30 years later ? Besides why would the Borg care about Sisko & Wolf 359, they already "won", the only reason Earth was not assimilated was Picard showing up later, after the Saratoga already went boom ... other than that, there was no Link between Sisko & the Borg ... if the Borg would want to kill anyone it'd be Picard (he stopped the Borg twice during Wolf 359 & in 2063)...

    Sisko was just some unimportant guy at Wolf 359 which (Captains) Ship blew up pretty fast ... so what's the deal here ... are they traveling back in time, to blow up Siskos Ship a little bit faster by accident ?

    I didn't say the Borg were using the wormhole for time travel as they're capable of that on their own, but they would need to prevent the Prophets from enabling us to use the wormhole to travel back in time. As to the logic behind the Borg killing Sisko, well that never made much sense in the original "State of Q" episode either. The Iconians sending the Borg back in time to kill Sisko so he wouldn't be around to win the Dominion War for the Federation, and so the Iconians wouldn't have a powerful adversary stopping them now.

    The Borg being mere pawns of the Iconians power play wasn't particularly inventive and didn't make sense for them. It's far simpler to remove the Iconian element and just to have the Borg use the same plan but with the objective being to weaken the galactic powers in the future so they'll be easier to assimilate sometime between the end of the Dominion War and 2410. It can't make any less sense than traveling back in time to 2063 and trying to assimilate a primitive Earth and a drunk warp drive inventor now can it?
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    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Why the large bridge officer damage nerf to weapons?

    It looks like all the damage boost from bridge officers have been removed. Moving to Tribble has caused me to lose a large amount of damage as none of the bridge office damage boosts work anymore. So far I lost raw damage to weapons, lost crit chance and lost crit damage. Those bridge officer cost over 100k dilithium if I recall correctly.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    amosov78 wrote: »
    I didn't say the Borg were using the wormhole for time travel as they're capable of that on their own, but they would need to prevent the Prophets from enabling us to use the wormhole to travel back in time.

    Well I guess Cryptic could make any Story work somehow ... I just don't see it ... why would the Borg want to stop us from traveling back in time, that's not how ST Time-Travel works ... if they would've already altered the past it would be too late ... it would suggest we're the ones traveling back in time in the first place, for some reason ... again Wormhole + Borg doesn't equal "State of Q" - Revamp for me ... certainly not without Q & with your suggested Story ...
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Well I guess Cryptic could make any Story work somehow ... I just don't see it ... why would the Borg want to stop us from traveling back in time, that's not how ST Time-Travel works ... if they would've already altered the past it would be too late ... it would suggest we're the ones traveling back in time in the first place, for some reason ... again Wormhole + Borg doesn't equal "State of Q" - Revamp for me ... certainly not without Q & with your suggested Story ...

    The Prophets are pretty unique though, since time doesn't actually exist for them they would be unaffected by the alterations to the timeline, so they could still mount an attempt to change the timeline back even after the Borg achieved their objective. The Borg would need to prevent that from happening, hence an attack on the wormhole now before they attempt to alter the past.

    I admit it's a pretty big change, but since we're already seeing such changes to existing story episodes it isn't without some precedent.
    U.S.S. Endeavour NCC-71895 - Nebula-class
    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    amosov78 wrote: »
    The Prophets are pretty unique though, since time doesn't actually exist for them they would be unaffected by the alterations to the timeline, so they could still mount an attempt to change the timeline back even after the Borg achieved their objective. The Borg would need to prevent that from happening, hence an attack on the wormhole now before they attempt to alter the past.

    Yeah I get that, but who would stop them ... your assimilated Alter Ego, 30 years later ?
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yeah I get that, but who would stop them ... your assimilated Alter Ego, 30 years later ?

    I'm sure the Borg wouldn't want to leave any avenue of attack left open, so for them it'd be more of a safety precaution to assure that their plan succeeded. Saying that, Q would likely be willing to help out, since he was in the original "State of Q" episode, I'm sure he couldn't resist giving you the chance to put right what once went wrong. And it'd be a way for him to appear in the episode again too.
    U.S.S. Endeavour NCC-71895 - Nebula-class
    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The last time I checked everyone could timetravel, as long as there is a star nearby. :D
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    qjunior wrote: »
    The last time I checked everyone could timetravel, as long as there is a star nearby. :D

    Then I guess the Borg would need to destroy all the stars, maybe they should contact the Iconians for help... no, wait! :P
    U.S.S. Endeavour NCC-71895 - Nebula-class
    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    amosov78 wrote: »
    I'm sure the Borg wouldn't want to leave any avenue of attack left open, so for them it'd be more of a safety precaution to assure that their plan succeeded.

    Safety precaution against whom ... if the Borg succeded ... the Alpha Quadrant got assimilated 30 years ago ... well the Federation at least ... so they're just sittin at the Wormhole waiting for noone ? Or are we talking about some hypothetical resistance movement here ?
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Safety precaution against whom ... if the Borg succeded ... the Alpha Quadrant got assimilated 30 years ago ... well the Federation at least ... so they're just sittin at the Wormhole waiting for noone ? Or are we talking about some hypothetical resistence movement here ?

    The Prophets have been known to take control of corporeal beings such as humans and use them, theoretically they could take control of anyone in the Alpha, Beta and Gamma quadrants to use as a means to alter any changes. However since it appears that they also live outside of the normal space-time continuum, they were just as likely to leave information in the past about the imminent Borg attack, since they would be unaltered by the Borg's victory. The Borg would need to kill the Prophets to prevent any past or future intervention from them, which would be where the episode starts.
    U.S.S. Endeavour NCC-71895 - Nebula-class
    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Okay I lied. Not everything else about this update is good and praiseworthy. This is not cool. At most they should be 300 dilithium and 5 minutes of waiting. Wait 4 hours to train a boff? And if I want to craft 5 of them TWENTY HOURS?? No way. I most certainly hope this is just a WIP and the time will be reduced within the next tribble patch or two.

    If I understand the Dev Blog correctly, once you train a BOFF a certain skill they know it forever, so with that taken into account, and the fact that these crafted skill manuals are only for some high end skills, The cost and time doesn't seem like a very big deal to me.
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Divide et Impera is gone huh? Well I'm not particularly angry to see that moment of stupidity erased from existence like it was hit with the Krenim Temporal Weapons ship, though I'd have been happy with a sequel where we hunted down the Undine instead.

    To say nothing about it becoming a Republic facility.

    All in all, very excited about this.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    amosov78 wrote: »
    they were just as likely to leave information in the past about the imminent Borg attack, since they would be unaltered by the Borg's victory. The Borg would need to kill the Prophets to prevent any past or future intervention from them.

    In this alternative Timeline the Borg would have won 30 years ago ... yet our Character lives in 2410 (30 years later) , so we would need to travel back in time, to travel back in time, to get Information before our 2410 changes, which it already would've been if any of this, would've happened ...
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    In this alternative Timeline the Borg would have won 30 years ago ... yet our Character lives in 2410 (30 years later) , so we would need to travel back in time, to travel back in time ...

    It wouldn't be an alternate timeline yet. The Borg would alter the past in the year 2410 after their attack on the wormhole, hence the Borg cubes seen near there, then after that they would send drones back in time. Knowing what the potential future holds the Prophets use information from that future and contact your character in some way, like controlling one of your bridge officers, to infer this so you can set about stopping the Borg from killing the wormhole aliens.

    When you prevent the Borg attack from inside the wormhole something goes wrong due to the chroniton particles, and you and some Borg from 2410 are whisked back to the Battle of Wolf 359 aboard the U.S.S. Saratoga. There you need to stop the Borg who are now having to make as best they can to achieve their objective. Once you succeed the Prophets bring you back to 2410 with the timeline maintained. Essentially a self fulfilling prophecy.

    This isn't any more unusual than the Borg being responsible for the creation of the Federation, as Lieutenant Ducane of the timeship Relativity mentioned to Seven of Nine.
    U.S.S. Endeavour NCC-71895 - Nebula-class
    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    amosov78 wrote: »
    It wouldn't be an alternate timeline yet. The Borg would alter the past in the year 2410 after their attack on the wormhole, hence the Borg cubes seen near there, then after that they would send drones back in time.

    Didn't we already go there ... why would the Borg attack the Wormhole in 2410 ? Sure to kill the Prophets I guess, but why ... if they'd just travel back in time to Wolf 359 and assimilate the Alpha Quadrant there is no need for that ... with the whole Alpha Quadrant being Borg there is no need for it ...

    Are they just trying to kill the prophets for some unrelated reason, accidently travelling back in time to meet Sisko ... sure that might work I guess ... but cmon ...
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Didn't we already go there ... why would the Borg attack the Wormhole in 2410 ?

    It's a bit like why did the Borg attack earth in "First Contact" if all they were going to do was travel back in time. They could have done that anywhere at anytime. The only reason was for the story to allow the Enterprise-E the chance to go back and stop them. In a similar way that's what the initial attack here is for.

    The Borg know about why Sisko exists and so they assume that any attack on him from the future will be met by some retaliation from the wormhole aliens, who would be unaffected by alterations to the timeline. Not knowing exactly how this rebuttal will take shape the Borg decide to just eliminate the wormhole aliens outright first before traveling back in time.

    The Borg underestimated the wormhole aliens, and our characters get a heads up because of how these entities operate; being outside of normal space-time, being able to see what potentially could happen to our universe and themselves. They did this when they altered the past and created Sisko to stop the Pah-wraiths in the future which they foresaw. By attacking the wormhole aliens the Borg have unwittingly allowed a means with which they can be stopped.
    U.S.S. Endeavour NCC-71895 - Nebula-class
    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
  • smilegcb2#3786 smilegcb2 Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Nothing new concerning the Foundry (For editing Indoor / Outdoor) ? :-(
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    FFS you pollute and contaminate this thread too with this dreck? Get control of yourself ashkrik, Jesus christ!

    The 4 hours/ 3600 dil per padd thing, is this going to go live?

    3600!!! Is that legit?

    That is NOT a small cost at all. That's significant.
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  • john98837john98837 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    captaind3 wrote: »
    3600!!! Is that legit?

    That is NOT a small cost at all. That's significant.

    No thats not legit, its 500 dil per pad. He might be figuring in the finish now cost, not sure.
  • mikoto8472mikoto8472 Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Oh I'm disappointed at most of the mission removals. That's terrible.

    Not sad to see Divide et Impera and Trapped go. But the rest, especially Saturday's Child.... ugh. What an awful change.
  • gorillachopsgorillachops Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    These patch notes are nothing short of a joy to behold. In my estimation it gives the game a wonderful sense of progression, and promises that new Specialisation System introduced in Delta Rising can expand in such a way as help players achieve a real sense of distinction between their Alts. The focus on Bridge Officers as having their own individual Specialisations is also welcome, and gives us a reason to assign certain abilities to certain Boffs.

    This may sound a little 'crude', and I apologize in advance if it is, but. . . I think I know what's on the horizon here and i'm not going to spoil it for everyone if i'm right. There's a certain logic to your approach that makes me... so excited; to think how long the communities talked about this. I know I sound rediculous, I'm just thrilled.

    Thank you, and do remember, in the run up to any release, it's vital you all don't stay up too late.

    :D
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  • alexvio1alexvio1 Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    How many unique rewards will removed with the 11 missions removal?
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