Meow ... the tracking orbital strike is a great improvement, and so are the new engineering kit meowdules from the rep systems. On ground, the engineer can do easily as much DPS (with all the petspam) as a tactical captain. In space, the engineer is and has always been the hull healer and the tank. Additionally, on ground and in space, they can also be a great shield healer if needed and correctly equipped or skilled.
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You can quote all you want, but it won't change a fact that you can't beat a tac toon 1vs1 with an engineer class. Will you continue to lament about charts, statistics and boards or man up and contact Husanak for a friendly 1vs1 pvp? Naturally, with an eng toon. That goes for the rest of those supporting claims that an eng can win against tac in 1vs1 environment.
Everything else is just a pathetic attempt of digression from the issue at hand.
P.S. If you claim that Husanak is not as good as I think it is, even better for you since it will be easier for you to beat him with your engie toon.
My Engie is a level 10 Reman. That would be inadvisable.
You claim Engies are useless, and when someone invites you to a 1 vs 1 (against a Galaxy, so basically guaranteed a win) you chicken out and hide behind someone else. That is a pathetic digression, you should stand up for your position not hide behind another player.
Defera, Self Destruction, and Bug Hunt Elite to name three of many missions. Engineers are essential for many many many missions. Last night an Engie saved my life, with a few mines and helped kill a few alarm bugs in the process.
For god's sake, create a Tactical Character, buff him up, buy the Bug Ship from the Exchange and fill it up with Antiproton Cannons and Booster Consoles with 3 RCS consoles.
you have at least made 3 threads about this subject and no matter what people say, you are not interested and you only show how little you know about the Game mechanic here.
I tried to be nice in the last posts but I am filled up.
I have no idea why it is so important for you to beat Husanak, one of the best PVP guys out there, but with that attitude it will only take longer for you to archieve your goals.
Short: create a Tac character und leave us alone with your narrow mind.
My Engie is a level 10 Reman. That would be inadvisable.
You claim Engies are useless, and when someone invites you to a 1 vs 1 (against a Galaxy, so basically guaranteed a win) you chicken out and hide behind someone else. That is a pathetic digression, you should stand up for your position not hide behind another player.
My tac is lvl 23ish Romulan so it would be inadvisable to go against lvl 50+, possibly 60 eng.
The guy with the loud mouth who challenged a tac toon to pvp his mega engie toon got his response. Since I don't have a tac toon to fight with he (or you) is free to pvp against Husanak, who is not so good in the first place (according to your charts) so you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Infact, you will be more than glad to prove your point.
In the civilised world it is those that accuse someone that have to back their statements with some proof and not vice versa. The guy who accused me of talking rubish has to prove that indeed it was rubish that I was talking about and since you are sharing his opinion regarding that matter you either prove it or back of and apologize with a neetly done courtsey.
Your call champ.
Btw, any of your engie enthusiasts out there who claim that can beat (actually destroy) a tac toon in ship to ship combat, 1vs1 to be exact, you are free to contact Husanak and show him your skills. Perhaps teach him a trick or two out of your abundant experience from pvping extensively for years.
I have no idea why it is so important for you to beat Husanak, one of the best PVP guys out there, but with that attitude it will only take longer for you to archieve your goals.
Short: create a Tac character und leave us alone with your narrow mind.
1. Somehow you missed a point of the person who said that Husanak is not such a good player judging from some online charts, read above what was written. The same person who claims to know this game upside down said it.
2. I have no intention to beat Husanak because it was he who gave me advices on how to build a ship that can stand any chance against a tac toon in 1vs1 space scenario. Notably DOFFs I should be having, skills, keyboard shortcuts etc. I took him as an example of a skilled tac pilot since I saw what he can do. Now there are people claiming that an eng toon can parry a tac one so they are still free to contact Husanak ingame and try to defeat him.
3. Honest tac pilots will always say that an engie stands no chance against a skilled tac pilot. No bs, just honesty.
It is hypocricy that we are trying to disclose here, but people are stubbornly claiming that an eng is a great in space combat, etc. Instead, they should call things for what they are and no harm done. An eng needs an offense boost in the space, that's all this thread is about.
Fine, by that logic I can accuse you of something you haven't done and you have to prove you didn't. Doesn't work that way of course - The person making the claim has to prove it, and you haven't.
You made the claim Engineer class - useless, people quite rightly call you out for it.
You then backpedalled to only in PvP. People still correctly call you for it.
You then backpedalled to 1 vs 1 PvP. People still correctly call you for it.
You then backpedalled to hiding behind some other player after someone in a frakking Galaxy got bored of your endless words. I call you out for the hiding part.
You can keep digging your hole deeper for as long as you like.
I mean I feel completely underpowered running perma 125 across all powerlevels.. the insane resistance.. Miracle worker...
And its worse on ground omg... I can only make 3 Turrets, 3 Mortars, 2 Med Gens, 2 Shield Gens, 3 Support Drones at once. ... weaksauce right?? I mean we even get a trait that buffs resistance when we get hit.. lame
Fine, by that logic I can accuse you of something you haven't done and you have to prove you didn't. Doesn't work that way of course - The person making the claim has to prove it, and you haven't.
You made the claim Engineer class - useless, people quite rightly call you out for it.
You then backpedalled to only in PvP. People still correctly call you for it.
You then backpedalled to 1 vs 1 PvP. People still correctly call you for it.
You then backpedalled to hiding behind some other player after someone in a frakking Galaxy got bored of your endless words. I call you out for the hiding part.
You can keep digging your hole deeper for as long as you like.
The logic from your example is exactly the one you are using all the time hence rendering all your posts a one big logical diarrhea.
There are people in this thread noticing flaws of the eng character in terms of space combat, comments of which are tendentiously avoided in this discussion.
There is no room for subjectivity in the argumentative discussion. You are too anxious in your posts to be taken seriously..
At least try to be objective like the most of us here.
The logic from your example is exactly the one you are using all the time hence rendering all your posts a one big logical diarrhea.
There are people in this thread noticing flaws of the eng character in terms of space combat, comments of which are tendentiously avoided in this discussion.
There is no room for subjectivity in the argumentative discussion. You are too anxious in your posts to be taken seriously..
At least try to be objective like the most of us here.
Just keep digging dude, eventually you will make it to the other side.
I find engineers to be the most versatile. Sure they can't put out a ton of damage (unless A2B), but they can tank. I could hold my own against the transwarp gate in the old ISE/KASE in my A2B Fleet Avenger at point-blank range.
With Tacs I just keep on dying, at least with engineering I can stay alive and not be bored waiting for the respawn timer to reset.
Calling engineering class useless is stupid. It is a different style of play which you clearly have no idea how to use. You are expected to focus more on the tanking aspect. Keep putting out damage while maintaining survivability, and there is a tradeoff.
Chroniton Mines give me big yellow numbers that make me happy.
I prefer the transphasic breen torp cluster. More yellow numbers. :cool:
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The logic from your example is exactly the one you are using all the time hence rendering all your posts a one big logical diarrhea.
There are people in this thread noticing flaws of the eng character in terms of space combat, comments of which are tendentiously avoided in this discussion.
There is no room for subjectivity in the argumentative discussion. You are too anxious in your posts to be taken seriously..
At least try to be objective like the most of us here.
Leveled up 4 Engineers to 50, my main an Engineer now 60
2 Tacts at 50+
2 Science at 50+
Never once have I ever felt my Engineer was subpar to my other toons.
You want Tact DPS, play a Tact, Engineers are working as intended.
There are people in this thread noticing flaws of the eng character in terms of space combat, comments of which are tendentiously avoided in this discussion.
Tac has more dps than engineer: In terms of captain abilities, yes.
Star Trek Online = DPS. False; STO is about destroying opponents, not spitting out numbers. It's important to note the difference between the two. The former usually results in a completed mission. The other is just a metric of determining how quickly you do so - NOT what you're actually doing. It's analogous to saying velocity is displacement. It is not - it is only the rate at which an object displaces, per unit time. Significant difference.
Tac > Engineer: False. Tacs perform spike damage more effectively than engis due to captain powers. However, they have a harder time with pressure damage (ie, beams) due to the lack of defensive captain abilities. Ships that focus on pressure damage also have to account for incoming damage over an extended period of time, which a tac may be able to handle, but an engi definitely finds easier. Engis also have EPS-Weed and Nadion Inversion which help with boosting power levels and reducing power drain respectively, which helps a great deal with BFAW cruiser performance.
Tac and Engis are similar, but they are two different breeds. Pushing an Engi to do spike damage is not going to be as effective as pushing an Engi to do pressure damage. Just like ships, the player must select the right career path for the right role. Pushing a square peg in a round hole won't work.
I find engineers to be the most versatile. Sure they can't put out a ton of damage (unless A2B), but they can tank. I could hold my own against the transwarp gate in the old ISE/KASE in my A2B Fleet Avenger at point-blank range.
With Tacs I just keep on dying, at least with engineering I can stay alive and not be bored waiting for the respawn timer to reset.
Calling engineering class useless is stupid. It is a different style of play which you clearly have no idea how to use. You are expected to focus more on the tanking aspect. Keep putting out damage while maintaining survivability, and there is a tradeoff.
This is exactly my point, and is 100% correct. Engis have a different playstyle than Tacs (That's why they're called Engis, not tacs). Same as Sci has a different playstyle than Tacs or Engis. While all three careers share similarities, they are fundamentally different.
Finally, dam999, unless Husanak volunteers himself to challenge the guy in the Galaxy, you have no right to force him to participate on your behalf. Furthermore, not having a character on hand to defend yourself is no excuse. If you have Scis, use those too.
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I'm a sci myself, and i can say i am eternally grateful to engies who keep me alive so i can drain and debuff like a good little sci. true, engies are not designed for massive forward DPS like tacs are, but they can deal insane amounts of damage in a protracted battle while surviving enemy fire and holding aggro (from a pve standpoint, i don't do pvp).
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
This is exactly my point, and is 100% correct. Engis have a different playstyle than Tacs (That's why they're called Engis, not tacs). Same as Sci has a different playstyle than Tacs or Engis. While all three careers share similarities, they are fundamentally different.
Finally, dam999, unless Husanak volunteers himself to challenge the guy in the Galaxy, you have no right to force him to participate on your behalf. Furthermore, not having a character on hand to defend yourself is no excuse. If you have Scis, use those too.
Engineer cant win against tac in 1vs1 pvp, period.
Only tacs who want to stay in power with dps are against making engies stronger in space, period.
If there is an eng that can win against a tac in aforementioned terms, please post your results, period.
Only tacs who want to stay in power with dps are against making engies stronger in space, period.
Which, by your first post, I suppose you are a tac who wants to stay in power, since you're trying to delete Engis entirely, let alone "against making engis stronger in space". Oh wait. You don't have a level 50/60 tac!
If there is an eng that can win against a tac in aforementioned terms, please post your results, period.
I'll have that video up and running within three days.
P.S. No need to type "period" at the end of each sentence. This isn't some form of telegraph, it's a 21st century forum. Use just the "." sign instead.
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Engineers can heal. When I flew Science I could not heal as much as Engineer.
Science cannot take a lot of damage, so they have to spend their heals on themselves.
Engineers can take a lot of damage, pop heals to others.
As an engineer I can do so much: Engineering/Science Team 1 and 2, Hazard Emitters 1 and 2, AUX2SIF, Transfer Shield Strength. I can heal others while taking a beating.
Don't hate on engineers. They can save your TRIBBLE in a firefight. Even as a Tactical I still heal. I don't care if my hull is at 20%, I will pop as much heals as I can to others before dying.
Which, by your first post, I suppose you are a tac who wants to stay in power, since you're trying to delete Engis entirely, let alone "against making engis stronger in space". Oh wait. You don't have a level 50/60 tac!
Wait what? He is whining when he isn't even close to max level? Yeah let me just go fight a level 60 engineer in my T1 Miranda at level 1. I can kill him. I am tac. /s
Can't make a class work, sounds more like operator error to me.
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Engineers can heal. When I flew Science I could not heal as much as Engineer.
Science cannot take a lot of damage, so they have to spend their heals on themselves.
Engineers can take a lot of damage, pop heals to others.
As an engineer I can do so much: Engineering/Science Team 1 and 2, Hazard Emitters 1 and 2, AUX2SIF, Transfer Shield Strength. I can heal others while taking a beating.
Don't hate on engineers. They can save your TRIBBLE in a firefight. Even as a Tactical I still heal. I don't care if my hull is at 20%, I will pop as much heals as I can to others before dying.
Judging by his posts I think he just needs some cheese with his whine
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Look, no one can change anyone's view without literal proof.
Seriously, if anything Sci officers are op.
*secret rallying post enabled*
EDIT: Congrats OP. You made me waste my 100th post on something as small as this
My Engie is a level 10 Reman. That would be inadvisable.
You claim Engies are useless, and when someone invites you to a 1 vs 1 (against a Galaxy, so basically guaranteed a win) you chicken out and hide behind someone else. That is a pathetic digression, you should stand up for your position not hide behind another player.
And away went trouble down the drain...
But I'll let an Engie stand-in speak truth to power.
you have at least made 3 threads about this subject and no matter what people say, you are not interested and you only show how little you know about the Game mechanic here.
I tried to be nice in the last posts but I am filled up.
I have no idea why it is so important for you to beat Husanak, one of the best PVP guys out there, but with that attitude it will only take longer for you to archieve your goals.
Short: create a Tac character und leave us alone with your narrow mind.
My tac is lvl 23ish Romulan so it would be inadvisable to go against lvl 50+, possibly 60 eng.
The guy with the loud mouth who challenged a tac toon to pvp his mega engie toon got his response. Since I don't have a tac toon to fight with he (or you) is free to pvp against Husanak, who is not so good in the first place (according to your charts) so you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Infact, you will be more than glad to prove your point.
In the civilised world it is those that accuse someone that have to back their statements with some proof and not vice versa. The guy who accused me of talking rubish has to prove that indeed it was rubish that I was talking about and since you are sharing his opinion regarding that matter you either prove it or back of and apologize with a neetly done courtsey.
Your call champ.
Btw, any of your engie enthusiasts out there who claim that can beat (actually destroy) a tac toon in ship to ship combat, 1vs1 to be exact, you are free to contact Husanak and show him your skills. Perhaps teach him a trick or two out of your abundant experience from pvping extensively for years.
1. Somehow you missed a point of the person who said that Husanak is not such a good player judging from some online charts, read above what was written. The same person who claims to know this game upside down said it.
2. I have no intention to beat Husanak because it was he who gave me advices on how to build a ship that can stand any chance against a tac toon in 1vs1 space scenario. Notably DOFFs I should be having, skills, keyboard shortcuts etc. I took him as an example of a skilled tac pilot since I saw what he can do. Now there are people claiming that an eng toon can parry a tac one so they are still free to contact Husanak ingame and try to defeat him.
3. Honest tac pilots will always say that an engie stands no chance against a skilled tac pilot. No bs, just honesty.
It is hypocricy that we are trying to disclose here, but people are stubbornly claiming that an eng is a great in space combat, etc. Instead, they should call things for what they are and no harm done. An eng needs an offense boost in the space, that's all this thread is about.
Enough said.
You made the claim Engineer class - useless, people quite rightly call you out for it.
You then backpedalled to only in PvP. People still correctly call you for it.
You then backpedalled to 1 vs 1 PvP. People still correctly call you for it.
You then backpedalled to hiding behind some other player after someone in a frakking Galaxy got bored of your endless words. I call you out for the hiding part.
You can keep digging your hole deeper for as long as you like.
I mean I feel completely underpowered running perma 125 across all powerlevels.. the insane resistance.. Miracle worker...
And its worse on ground omg... I can only make 3 Turrets, 3 Mortars, 2 Med Gens, 2 Shield Gens, 3 Support Drones at once. ... weaksauce right?? I mean we even get a trait that buffs resistance when we get hit.. lame
>_>
The logic from your example is exactly the one you are using all the time hence rendering all your posts a one big logical diarrhea.
There are people in this thread noticing flaws of the eng character in terms of space combat, comments of which are tendentiously avoided in this discussion.
There is no room for subjectivity in the argumentative discussion. You are too anxious in your posts to be taken seriously..
At least try to be objective like the most of us here.
Just keep digging dude, eventually you will make it to the other side.
Plus Engineers are just cheating bar stewards on the ground.
That's hilarious.
I find engineers to be the most versatile. Sure they can't put out a ton of damage (unless A2B), but they can tank. I could hold my own against the transwarp gate in the old ISE/KASE in my A2B Fleet Avenger at point-blank range.
With Tacs I just keep on dying, at least with engineering I can stay alive and not be bored waiting for the respawn timer to reset.
Calling engineering class useless is stupid. It is a different style of play which you clearly have no idea how to use. You are expected to focus more on the tanking aspect. Keep putting out damage while maintaining survivability, and there is a tradeoff.
I prefer the transphasic breen torp cluster. More yellow numbers. :cool:
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Leveled up 4 Engineers to 50, my main an Engineer now 60
2 Tacts at 50+
2 Science at 50+
Never once have I ever felt my Engineer was subpar to my other toons.
You want Tact DPS, play a Tact, Engineers are working as intended.
This is exactly my point, and is 100% correct. Engis have a different playstyle than Tacs (That's why they're called Engis, not tacs). Same as Sci has a different playstyle than Tacs or Engis. While all three careers share similarities, they are fundamentally different.
Finally, dam999, unless Husanak volunteers himself to challenge the guy in the Galaxy, you have no right to force him to participate on your behalf. Furthermore, not having a character on hand to defend yourself is no excuse. If you have Scis, use those too.
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Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Engineer cant win against tac in 1vs1 pvp, period.
Only tacs who want to stay in power with dps are against making engies stronger in space, period.
If there is an eng that can win against a tac in aforementioned terms, please post your results, period.
Which, by your first post, I suppose you are a tac who wants to stay in power, since you're trying to delete Engis entirely, let alone "against making engis stronger in space". Oh wait. You don't have a level 50/60 tac!
I'll have that video up and running within three days.
P.S. No need to type "period" at the end of each sentence. This isn't some form of telegraph, it's a 21st century forum. Use just the "." sign instead.
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Science cannot take a lot of damage, so they have to spend their heals on themselves.
Engineers can take a lot of damage, pop heals to others.
As an engineer I can do so much: Engineering/Science Team 1 and 2, Hazard Emitters 1 and 2, AUX2SIF, Transfer Shield Strength. I can heal others while taking a beating.
Don't hate on engineers. They can save your TRIBBLE in a firefight. Even as a Tactical I still heal. I don't care if my hull is at 20%, I will pop as much heals as I can to others before dying.
Tactical does damage, dies more often, period.
Engineering doesn't do a lot of damage, dies less, period.
Tactical = Deal damage
Engineer = Absorb Damage
Wait what? He is whining when he isn't even close to max level? Yeah let me just go fight a level 60 engineer in my T1 Miranda at level 1. I can kill him. I am tac. /s
Can't make a class work, sounds more like operator error to me.
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Judging by his posts I think he just needs some cheese with his whine
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I wouldn't bother asking to see proof star. At this point I'm honestly debating in my head between 'Is this guy a Troll? Or just a ****ing idiot."
PICK AN ARGUMENT AND STAY WITH IT
Don't give me B.S. that they are connected.