Well yeah, got to sell those new tier 6 ships! Seriously though, I saw this coming the moment they released the upgrade details. It doesn't even come as a shock.
hmm, how much more powerful will the intelligence power be compared to an extra console? To me this is looking like the real question. I would doubt it's more than 10 or 20% - meaning the ship overall is maybe 1% stronger? 2%?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
these ships can launch drones that scan enemy ships for weaknesses and then give captains access to a suite of powers designed to exploit those weaknesses.
I read this as being similar to the Singularity powers that Romulan ships get, so although some power will be lost due to not being able to use normal Commander powers (due to Intelligence Boff being slotted, unless these get 2 Commander slots) the extra utility of these powers can maybe make up a lot of losses. I just wonder what cool down they will get. Will certainly be good to see the blog on these.
hmm, how much more powerful will the intelligence power be compared to an extra console? To me this is looking like the real question. I would doubt it's more than 10 or 20% - meaning the ship overall is maybe 1% stronger? 2%?
Well, one significant piece of evidence (IMO) is that, out of the gate, we're getting 1 Tier 6 ship per faction which doesn't have Intelligence BOff seating. Unless Cryptic are completely stupid - and I don't believe they are - they will therefore be trying to make sure that Intelligence abilities are comparable to, rather than superior to, Tac / Eng / Sci ones. Otherwise, they'd just be releasing ships they don't expect to sell, or putting Intel slots on all the new ships.
So, expect intel slots to be on a par with Tac / Eng / Sci (YMMV if the existing specialisations are balanced to begin with...)
I have a normal T'varo. I got it free so I guess that's why it's costing 5 modules to upgrade. So I've never upgraded it.
If I upgrade it to T5U can I upgrade it to fleet later or will I have to pay twice more that way?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I have a normal T'varo. I got it free so I guess that's why it's costing 5 modules to upgrade. So I've never upgraded it.
If I upgrade it to T5U can I upgrade it to fleet later or will I have to pay twice more that way?
Just get the fleet version now and upgrade that to T5-U. That would make the most sense. If you have the 9 console t'varo it should cost you 1 FSM, not 5. Even if you didn't have the 9 console one it would cost 4 FSMs, not 5.
If you own either the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit OR the original Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom Class, both will be upgradable for Zen to the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit T5-U.
I had to read this twice. Are you saying that my original Fleet Maelstrom class will transform into the refit when I upgrade it to T5-U? I own the original Fleet Maelstrom and the Tempest, and if I upgrade both of them I'm going to end up with two Tempests? What the flippity hell?
This is my preferred Bridge Officer layout for Fed Escorts:
[][][][] [][][] or [][][] [][] [][] [] or []
I can only recall the Chimera, T5 Advanced Escort, and Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom Class that currently fall within these parameters for Feds. (excluding lockbox/lobi/promotional/limited time ships) I want a Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom Class T5-U, retired or not. Myself and others still have this ship and prefer it over the Tempest. Even though I have both ship types, I would like to retain that flexibility and choice when Delta Rising hits.
Just get the fleet version now and upgrade that to T5-U. That would make the most sense. If you have the 9 console t'varo it should cost you 1 FSM, not 5. Even if you didn't have the 9 console one it would cost 4 FSMs, not 5.
That's right, 4 not 5. That's what it lists in the shipyard. Maybe because it was a veteran reward?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The T'Varo is a c-store ship. You get the discount if you bought it. It's not a veteran reward.
It is a reward. Not the 1000 day, but maybe 600 or so. You can pick one of the 2000 zen ships.
ha - got me quick!
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I see it now. It IS listed, but it's listed as a Promo ship instead of with the other non-fleet Vet ships.
And of course... none of the Vet ships are available in the C-Store, despite where the other non-Fleet Vet ships are listed. The Romulan Dyson Science Destroyer can probably only be upgraded for free one time, despite being listed twice... dropping the list to Excel and sorting A to Z makes it much easier to read, by the way.
In our latest Dev blog, Phil “Gorngonzolla” Zeleski, Systems Lead share all the crucial details on upgrading your Tier 5 ship to be competitive in the Delta Quadrant and beyond!
Hey Trendy, I think a thread merge, removed post, or a temporal anomaly of some kind caused that first Gorngonzolla link to go awry... it's not actually post #331, even if it thinks it is, and it displays the post from #324...
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
And of course... none of the Vet ships are available in the C-Store, despite where the other non-Fleet Vet ships are listed. The Romulan Dyson Science Destroyer can probably only be upgraded for free one time, despite being listed twice... dropping the list to Excel and sorting A to Z makes it much easier to read, by the way.
Hey Trendy, I think a thread merge, removed post, or a temporal anomaly of some kind caused that first Gorngonzolla link to go awry... it's not actually post #331, even if it thinks it is, and it displays the post from #324...
Some players have asked about the Fleet Patrol Escort. Specifically about the now retired Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom Class. For those who dont remember, the original ship in the Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom was removed from the store and replaced with the Fleet Patrol Escort Refit. The Refit has improved stats and a fused Tempest Tail Gun. The Refit is upgradable to a Fleet T5-U. So the question is - what about the original Maelstrom?
If you own either the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit OR the original Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom Class, both will be upgradable for Zen to the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit T5-U.
Well i've never spent zen on a ship. I did get a respec and energy credit increase but not found a digital item worth 10 dollars or more that had anything to offer me. So every ship I own is not upgradable anyways. I can only hope they follow a trend and give away a free ship with release like they've done with the last few. That's about the only way I'll get a tier 6 or 5u anyways. Sorry you guys have to pay more for something you already paid money for in the first place. Something like that would make me furious.
I had considered a lifetime subscription but the thing that holds me back is the engine used for this game. Its really near or past its relevance and the only way to fix something like that is a new game basically. I don't mind playing around on this game but I've already given what I think this game is worth and there's not a lot they can do to make me pay more. This is just going to make trading dilithium for those two extra bridge officer slots a lot more expencive.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
I wouldn't be surprised if it varies by ship. If not at the launch of X2, then over time as more T6 ships come out with different layouts.
Actually if you read the Operations Pack details it says:
Romulan and Klingon Captains will each have access to one faction-specific Intelligence ship, and Federation Captains will have access to three faction-specific Intelligence ships. These are the only ships that will grant access to a Commander-level Intelligence Bridge Officer station, giving captains the flexibility to truly leverage the power of the Intelligence officer class.
In addition to their intelligence themed consoles and intelligence Bridge Officers, these ships can launch drones that scan enemy ships for weaknesses and then give captains access to a suite of powers designed to exploit those weaknesses.
Emphasis in bold. 1 console & 10% Hull/Shields vs 4 more BOFF powers. Yeah, T-5U is TOTALLY worth it. lol.
I think part of what is being argued here is purely down to semantics. When an argument is made about the 4 powers it is 4 powers not available to other ships including T5-U ships and not 4 extra powers on top of all the others.
Except it does say that, right in the text of the Operations pack page on Arc news, I'm sure you've read it.
...they never said that the hybrid seats were additional seats. A hybrid seat replaces a normal seat.
Then maybe they can explain why on Tribble right now your Information Officer has skills that can be placed in space slots from Ensign to Commander. All 4 slots. If they can only be placed in a Commander level spot, there's no need for Ensign to Lt. Commander space skills.
The only Logical answer I can guess at is that you can put them in Universal slots, but that then completely destroys the "Only Information Ships can have Information Officers" line they're trying to hook people with.
Then maybe they can explain why on Tribble right now your Information Officer has skills that can be placed in space slots from Ensign to Commander. All 4 slots. If they can only be placed in a Commander level spot, there's no need for Ensign to Lt. Commander space skills.
Because they said in the first blog that the Specialist BOFFs will have access to two pools of abilities, the normal Career and the Specialist pools.
We really wanted this tier of starships to stand out and offer some unique features not found anywhere else. These ships can (but dont always) have hybrid bridge officer seats that can slot Specialist Bridge Officers.These special officers have access to two complete pools of bridge officer abilities. One of these pools is a complete suite of all new bridge officer abilities, while the other is an existing profession: Tactical, Science or Engineering. Its important to note that while these ships dont always feature a Specialist Bridge Officer seat, all of the Tier 6 ships launching with Delta Rising will feature at least one of these special seats.
That said, were not quite ready to fully reveal the new {REDACTED} Bridge Officers. You can expect to get a full reveal of this new type of Bridge Officer in the very near future! Stay tuned!
The thing is that the two pools go into one slot... assuming I'm reading that correctly. The Intelligence ships get a Commander hybrid seat, while the other launch T6 ships might get a lower ranked seat (Ens, Lt, LtC)... but they'd all require trading one of the existing boff abilities to slot the Intelligence boff ability. Something with say a hybrid Engineering-Intelligence is likely to get more use out of the new abilities than something like a hybrid Tactical-Intelligence or Science-Intelligence, since there is far less variety in the high-level Engineering boff powers list than in the Tactical and especially Science lists.
It will be interesting to see how the type and rank of the hybrid seats affects the power of the ships, but that will require some time playtesting the actual ships... and of course that will actually show us the difference between the upgraded T5 ships and the T6 ships.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
The thing is that the two pools go into one slot... assuming I'm reading that correctly. The Intelligence ships get a Commander hybrid seat, while the other launch T6 ships might get a lower ranked seat (Ens, Lt, LtC)... but they'd all require trading one of the existing boff abilities to slot the Intelligence boff ability. Something with say a hybrid Engineering-Intelligence is likely to get more use out of the new abilities than something like a hybrid Tactical-Intelligence or Science-Intelligence, since there is far less variety in the high-level Engineering boff powers list than in the Tactical and especially Science lists.
It will be interesting to see how the type and rank of the hybrid seats affects the power of the ships, but that will require some time playtesting the actual ships... and of course that will actually show us the difference between the upgraded T5 ships and the T6 ships.
The way I'm reading it is the seats aren't hybrid, the officers are.
Every "specialist" officer (such as Intelligence) has BOTH their new ability types AND an original career as Boff powers. Still 4 slots total, but essentially a wider pool of abilities to pick from.
Given that ship and officer type go together, I'm starting to suspect the post-60 progression tree is going to mirror these specializations.
If you wont have the common sense to NOT TRIBBLE us over in the investments we've already made, at least tell us the new specs on the T5-U11s. P.S. I hope my fleet T'varo gets a fifth tac console
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I read this as being similar to the Singularity powers that Romulan ships get, so although some power will be lost due to not being able to use normal Commander powers (due to Intelligence Boff being slotted, unless these get 2 Commander slots) the extra utility of these powers can maybe make up a lot of losses. I just wonder what cool down they will get. Will certainly be good to see the blog on these.
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Well, one significant piece of evidence (IMO) is that, out of the gate, we're getting 1 Tier 6 ship per faction which doesn't have Intelligence BOff seating. Unless Cryptic are completely stupid - and I don't believe they are - they will therefore be trying to make sure that Intelligence abilities are comparable to, rather than superior to, Tac / Eng / Sci ones. Otherwise, they'd just be releasing ships they don't expect to sell, or putting Intel slots on all the new ships.
So, expect intel slots to be on a par with Tac / Eng / Sci (YMMV if the existing specialisations are balanced to begin with...)
Otherwise I will simply skip over the first T6 ships entirely.
I will upgrade my main Fleet Sovereign with my upcoming stipend(s) and then be done with it until they release an Iconic T6 ship at the earliest.
Preferably a Galaxy derivative that can use the Galaxy Skin or a Sovereign version.
I have a normal T'varo. I got it free so I guess that's why it's costing 5 modules to upgrade. So I've never upgraded it.
If I upgrade it to T5U can I upgrade it to fleet later or will I have to pay twice more that way?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Just get the fleet version now and upgrade that to T5-U. That would make the most sense. If you have the 9 console t'varo it should cost you 1 FSM, not 5. Even if you didn't have the 9 console one it would cost 4 FSMs, not 5.
I had to read this twice. Are you saying that my original Fleet Maelstrom class will transform into the refit when I upgrade it to T5-U? I own the original Fleet Maelstrom and the Tempest, and if I upgrade both of them I'm going to end up with two Tempests? What the flippity hell?
This is my preferred Bridge Officer layout for Fed Escorts:
[][][][]
[][][] or [][][]
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[][]
[] or []
I can only recall the Chimera, T5 Advanced Escort, and Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom Class that currently fall within these parameters for Feds. (excluding lockbox/lobi/promotional/limited time ships) I want a Fleet Patrol Escort: Maelstrom Class T5-U, retired or not. Myself and others still have this ship and prefer it over the Tempest. Even though I have both ship types, I would like to retain that flexibility and choice when Delta Rising hits.
That's right, 4 not 5. That's what it lists in the shipyard. Maybe because it was a veteran reward?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Yes. Veteran rewards do not count towards ship ownership as far as FM discounts go, Vet ship excluded of course :P
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The T'Varo is a c-store ship. You get the discount if you bought it. It's not a veteran reward.
It is a vet reward if you pick it up with a 600 day token.
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It is a reward. Not the 1000 day, but maybe 600 or so. You can pick one of the 2000 zen ships.
ha - got me quick!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Just wait a little and get a Romulan tier 6 ship.
5 modules+upgrade will cost as much as a better t6 ship.
And of course... none of the Vet ships are available in the C-Store, despite where the other non-Fleet Vet ships are listed. The Romulan Dyson Science Destroyer can probably only be upgraded for free one time, despite being listed twice... dropping the list to Excel and sorting A to Z makes it much easier to read, by the way.
Hey Trendy, I think a thread merge, removed post, or a temporal anomaly of some kind caused that first Gorngonzolla link to go awry... it's not actually post #331, even if it thinks it is, and it displays the post from #324...
You might also want to add in:
CaptainGeko
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18981121&postcount=2927
Gorngonzolla
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18835641&postcount=611
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18862621&postcount=1694
Unless more strange things are afoot at the Circle K and the posts/postcounts shift around again...
It takes a player to post it right pmsl trendy did u drink to much bloidwine last night :eek:
THANK YOU GEKO! You just made my day!
Nevermind. Found the answer. Just how competitive are these un-upgradable ships going to be at level 60?
I had considered a lifetime subscription but the thing that holds me back is the engine used for this game. Its really near or past its relevance and the only way to fix something like that is a new game basically. I don't mind playing around on this game but I've already given what I think this game is worth and there's not a lot they can do to make me pay more. This is just going to make trading dilithium for those two extra bridge officer slots a lot more expencive.
I wouldn't be surprised if it varies by ship. If not at the launch of X2, then over time as more T6 ships come out with different layouts.
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Actually if you read the Operations Pack details it says:
Emphasis in bold. 1 console & 10% Hull/Shields vs 4 more BOFF powers. Yeah, T-5U is TOTALLY worth it. lol.
But it doesn't say that...
...they never said that the hybrid seats were additional seats. A hybrid seat replaces a normal seat.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
Except it does say that, right in the text of the Operations pack page on Arc news, I'm sure you've read it.
Then maybe they can explain why on Tribble right now your Information Officer has skills that can be placed in space slots from Ensign to Commander. All 4 slots. If they can only be placed in a Commander level spot, there's no need for Ensign to Lt. Commander space skills.
The only Logical answer I can guess at is that you can put them in Universal slots, but that then completely destroys the "Only Information Ships can have Information Officers" line they're trying to hook people with.
Because they said in the first blog that the Specialist BOFFs will have access to two pools of abilities, the normal Career and the Specialist pools.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7001833
Cuz right now the Vesta, Chimera & Avenger Class ships will be the mainstay of my Fed toons for the foreseeable future.
The thing is that the two pools go into one slot... assuming I'm reading that correctly. The Intelligence ships get a Commander hybrid seat, while the other launch T6 ships might get a lower ranked seat (Ens, Lt, LtC)... but they'd all require trading one of the existing boff abilities to slot the Intelligence boff ability. Something with say a hybrid Engineering-Intelligence is likely to get more use out of the new abilities than something like a hybrid Tactical-Intelligence or Science-Intelligence, since there is far less variety in the high-level Engineering boff powers list than in the Tactical and especially Science lists.
It will be interesting to see how the type and rank of the hybrid seats affects the power of the ships, but that will require some time playtesting the actual ships... and of course that will actually show us the difference between the upgraded T5 ships and the T6 ships.
The way I'm reading it is the seats aren't hybrid, the officers are.
Every "specialist" officer (such as Intelligence) has BOTH their new ability types AND an original career as Boff powers. Still 4 slots total, but essentially a wider pool of abilities to pick from.
Given that ship and officer type go together, I'm starting to suspect the post-60 progression tree is going to mirror these specializations.