Rage! Missed a weekend since it was actually a holiday, and look at this, almost 300 pages of rage. Will Cryptic learn a thing? So did anyone ask them why there are no Boff layout upgrades in the T5u ships? Its totally their call to shaft us......
Inferring from previously posted sources (podcast maybe), the specialist BOff and it's powers, along with the 13th BOff slot, are the "incentives" Cryptic's building into their ships to make us want T6 instead of T5U.
However, with the T5U upgrades, all ships will earn an extra console - so upgrading an existing T5.5 10 console "fleet" grade ship will result in an 11 console ship. Said source also indicates that "normal" T6 ships will only have 10 consoles.
Also, the upgraded T5.5Us will retain a hull and shield advantage over the T6 - at all levels of growth if I understand correctly.
Therefore, the "competitiveness" of a T5U11 vs T6 revolves around these differences - is 11th console, hull & shield = 13 BOff slot & specialist abilities?
Jury's still out, due to lack of intel on the T6s...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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Thank you for not reading the first sentence just so you can argue. I hope you feel good about that
Yes, yes it did. You made a point you KNEW was flawed for no reason other than to make yourself look silly and pester others. And now you're being defensive about how silly you feel when I pointed it out.
Inferring from previously posted sources (podcast maybe), the specialist BOff and it's powers, along with the 13th BOff slot, are the "incentives" Cryptic's building into their ships to make us want T6 instead of T5U.
However, with the T5U upgrades, all ships will earn an extra console - so upgrading an existing T5.5 10 console "fleet" grade ship will result in an 11 console ship. Said source also indicates that "normal" T6 ships will only have 10 consoles.
Also, the upgraded T5.5Us will retain a hull and shield advantage over the T6 - at all levels of growth if I understand correctly.
Therefore, the "competitiveness" of a T5U11 vs T6 revolves around these differences - is 11th console, hull & shield = 13 BOff slot & specialist abilities?
Jury's still out, due to lack of intel on the T6s...
just quoting this as its a really good overview of things as they currently stand..
I wasn't talking about the DSDs...is what I was saying. The DSDs are currently 600 Lobi ships...I have no problem with them having a free upgrade. I have a problem with the Winter/Summer ships being free.
After looking over how Cryptic is 'sifting' what ships get upgraded for free or not, it makes sense an upgrade is free on the Winter/Summer ships , because they're CROSS FACTION. Here's their criteria:
Tier 5 starships that have been omitted from this list, as they dont qualify for an upgrade, are those that fall into one of the following categories:
Starships with a Dilithium or Rank-Up Token cost
Starships that cost Fleet Credits only
Starships that are awarded from completion of an episode
Mirror Universe Starships
...So that winter/summer ship that required you log-in and play for 20+ consecutive days to get SHOULD be free since you've invested TIME in order to get it. I'm disappointed with the MU ships tho, and a T5 Kamarag (ALSO an event ship - Anniversary event) but I almost see their logic.
Why would you want to waste your Zen upgrading what amounts to a mirror ship, anyway, though? The Ambassador and Kamarag from the boxes and giveaway is just a 9-conner. Why would you waste your money on that, unless the one upgrade applied to both the fleet and non-fleet versions, instead of pretending they were separate ships?
Why would you want to waste your Zen upgrading what amounts to a mirror ship, anyway, though? The Ambassador and Kamarag from the boxes and giveaway is just a 9-conner. Why would you waste your money on that, unless the one upgrade applied to both the fleet and non-fleet versions, instead of pretending they were separate ships?
The Fleet Kamarag is 10, and the upgrade will put +1 on it. The 9 consoler is one of the most versitile ships in the KDF inventory, but @ 2K zen for the fleet version PLUS the upgrade cost to the 11 console'r I can see money better spent by buying something else- like the fleet Tor'Khat.
The 11 console Chel Grett is gonna be a monster tho'
Why would you want to waste your Zen upgrading what amounts to a mirror ship, anyway, though? The Ambassador and Kamarag from the boxes and giveaway is just a 9-conner. Why would you waste your money on that, unless the one upgrade applied to both the fleet and non-fleet versions, instead of pretending they were separate ships?
thats like saying the diesel version of a car is the same as its petrol engine equivalent lol
I'm not as pessimistic about the outlook as I was a few days ago, though I think the information cryptic need to give us so we can make a truly rational analysis is as follows:
Will there be Fleet T6 ships down the line?
What level is the 13th BOFF power? Ens, Lt, LTC or Com?
Full information on the new "specialist boff type" and the powers/space traits therin (by traits, i mean things like superior romulan operative or impatient)
How large is the advantage in Fleet T5U hull/shields over T6's?
I'd also like to know if we'll be seeing true T6 versions of existing ship deisngs in the Z-Store, beyond mere upgrades.
Realistically, I doubt they'll be releasing new T5 ships now that T6 is coming, yet I think its likely we'll see a new Intrepid in the Z-store when DR launches (they have after all invested in retouching the model, and it is a big feature of DR).
My guess? The intrepid will be the first canon T6 ship available, and once that genies out the bottle I imagine T6 Galaxy, Defiant and etcetera will follow.
Lest we forget, they also promised the KDF a new z-store negh'var. If they release it as a T5 ship I doubt many will invest in it.
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Wow, I can't even pay to upgrade my Mirror Vo'quv (I prefer its BOFF layout over the standard version). :mad:
I'll wait until I see the exact prices, abilities, and stats of the T6 ships before deciding whether or not to throw in the towel on this game. The game is being increasingly monetized to the point of p2w.
Power of any rank is useful. T5 Upgrade HAS to include it.
Yes. I'm of this opinion to the point that I'd rather see the additional console as a T6 exclusive as long as T-5U includes the additional BOFF ability. It doesn't have to be the specialist seat, but an additional BOFF ability could redeem some older designs that are showing their age (Fleet Scourge for example).
The Fleet Kamarag is 10, and the upgrade will put +1 on it. The 9 consoler is one of the most versitile ships in the KDF inventory, but @ 2K zen for the fleet version PLUS the upgrade cost to the 11 console'r I can see money better spent by buying something else- like the fleet Tor'Khat.
The 11 console Chel Grett is gonna be a monster tho'
Depends on what that new console slot is.
I'm hoping it will be a tactical console for escorts and destroyers.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I'm hoping it will be a tactical console for escorts and destroyers.
That would be sweet, but for about the same amount of zen an upgraded Dyson Command Science Destroyer (MoQ) gets you much better TAC bridge seating and a CDR sci seat.
The only thing I do feel bad about was the fact that the recent releases for Dreadnaught Carrier, Tempest Patrol Escort Retrofit, and Avenger Battlecruiser. As well as Mogh, and many other recent C Store Releases weren't considered for the Free Upgrade. Being they were released not too long ago. But the fact they have the Promotional Event ships like the Breen and so forth as a free upgrade at least there is a consolation prize there for those not wanting to pay. Just be nice they included the factional C Store recent release of those ships as well. But at least I am content with the Breen Frigate as that upgrade. Including the flanking bonus for it too.
You have just bought a new car and some time goes by and the Car Manufacturer brings out a new updated model.
Now would you go into the dealership demanding a replacement to the new model for free or to upgrade your existing car to match the new model for free, no you would not.
So why should Cryptic do the same? This is an entertainment business and they need to make money by bring out new model cars (T6, T-5U etc).
So stop moaning and being deluded and enjoy the fact Cryptic is realising a tonnage of new content :-)
TBH Im getting a free expansion, some MMOs charge 50 bucks or more for 5 levels of content. So I have ZERO issues paying a small fee for my ships I love to be upgraded.
You have just bought a new car (C-store) or won a Car in a competition (Lockbox) and some time goes by and the Car Manufacturer bring out a new updated model.
Now would you go into the dealership demanding a replacement to the new model for free or to upgrade you exist car to match the new model for free, no you would not.
So why should Cryptic do the same? This is an entertainment business and they need to make money by bring out new model cars (T6, T-5U etc).
So stop moaning and being deluded and enjoy the fact Cryptic is realising a tonnage of new content :-)
the fandom says no, they enjoy acting like spoiled children, I blame GIFT.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
1. This is not a new car.
2. I pay a monthly subscription, so I'm entitled to share my opinion with Cryptic if I don't like the present path they are pursuing.
3. If more people paid for a subscription then they wouldn't have to sell ships every other month. Time which could be spent on better things.
4. Paying $50 to $100 for ship bundles and looking at the possibility of having to pay another $30 to $100 is not a wise idea, and certainly with prevent me for purchasing anything else. I imagine I'm not alone in this thought.
5. To get more subscribers they need more content that paying members want such as but not limited to; a better interface, improved graphics, polishing of the game, correction of graphical errors, exploration, a larger galaxy, better foundry tools and mission delivery.
6. it's not moaning it is called feedback, it can be positive or negative. I try to express both where possible.
1. This is not a new car.
2. I pay a monthly subscription, so I'm entitled to share my opinion with Cryptic if I don't like the present path they are pursuing.
3. If more people paid for a subscription then they wouldn't have to sell ships every other month. Time which could be spent on better things.
4. Paying $50 to $100 for ship bundles and looking at the possibility of having to pay another $30 to $100 is not a wise idea, and certainly with prevent me for purchasing anything else. I imagine I'm not alone in this thought.
5. To get more subscribers they need more content that paying members want such as but not limited to; a better interface, improved graphics, polishing of the game, correction of graphical errors, exploration, a larger galaxy, better foundry tools and mission delivery.
6. it's not moaning it is called feedback, it can be positive or negative. I try to express both where possible.
Your Subscriptions pays for the benefits of being a Gold member, nothing else.
So the point I have made in the OP is still an applicable metaphor.
But in a way they are 'free'............convert endless supply of Dilithium to Zen then problem solved, plus some upgrades are free regardless since the offer is based on certain ships. Anyway kind of like how I got the scimitar bundle for free by endless hours of hard work.
Your Subscriptions pays for the benefits of being a Gold member, nothing else.
So the point I have made in the OP is still an applicable metaphor.
Except it isn't, because in this case the Car Dealer is offering free upgrades to the ones that were won in a competition (lockbox), while making the people who paid for their vehicles have to pay for the upgrade.
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Inferring from previously posted sources (podcast maybe), the specialist BOff and it's powers, along with the 13th BOff slot, are the "incentives" Cryptic's building into their ships to make us want T6 instead of T5U.
However, with the T5U upgrades, all ships will earn an extra console - so upgrading an existing T5.5 10 console "fleet" grade ship will result in an 11 console ship. Said source also indicates that "normal" T6 ships will only have 10 consoles.
Also, the upgraded T5.5Us will retain a hull and shield advantage over the T6 - at all levels of growth if I understand correctly.
Therefore, the "competitiveness" of a T5U11 vs T6 revolves around these differences - is 11th console, hull & shield = 13 BOff slot & specialist abilities?
Jury's still out, due to lack of intel on the T6s...
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just quoting this as its a really good overview of things as they currently stand..
After looking over how Cryptic is 'sifting' what ships get upgraded for free or not, it makes sense an upgrade is free on the Winter/Summer ships , because they're CROSS FACTION. Here's their criteria:
...So that winter/summer ship that required you log-in and play for 20+ consecutive days to get SHOULD be free since you've invested TIME in order to get it. I'm disappointed with the MU ships tho, and a T5 Kamarag (ALSO an event ship - Anniversary event) but I almost see their logic.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
The Fleet Kamarag is 10, and the upgrade will put +1 on it. The 9 consoler is one of the most versitile ships in the KDF inventory, but @ 2K zen for the fleet version PLUS the upgrade cost to the 11 console'r I can see money better spent by buying something else- like the fleet Tor'Khat.
The 11 console Chel Grett is gonna be a monster tho'
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
thats like saying the diesel version of a car is the same as its petrol engine equivalent lol
hehe yeah for sure, mine is still sat in its box, cant wait to set it up once DR hits
Will there be Fleet T6 ships down the line?
What level is the 13th BOFF power? Ens, Lt, LTC or Com?
Full information on the new "specialist boff type" and the powers/space traits therin (by traits, i mean things like superior romulan operative or impatient)
How large is the advantage in Fleet T5U hull/shields over T6's?
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I'd also like to know if we'll be seeing true T6 versions of existing ship deisngs in the Z-Store, beyond mere upgrades.
Realistically, I doubt they'll be releasing new T5 ships now that T6 is coming, yet I think its likely we'll see a new Intrepid in the Z-store when DR launches (they have after all invested in retouching the model, and it is a big feature of DR).
My guess? The intrepid will be the first canon T6 ship available, and once that genies out the bottle I imagine T6 Galaxy, Defiant and etcetera will follow.
Lest we forget, they also promised the KDF a new z-store negh'var. If they release it as a T5 ship I doubt many will invest in it.
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Power of any rank is useful. T5 Upgrade HAS to include it.
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I'll wait until I see the exact prices, abilities, and stats of the T6 ships before deciding whether or not to throw in the towel on this game. The game is being increasingly monetized to the point of p2w.
Yes. I'm of this opinion to the point that I'd rather see the additional console as a T6 exclusive as long as T-5U includes the additional BOFF ability. It doesn't have to be the specialist seat, but an additional BOFF ability could redeem some older designs that are showing their age (Fleet Scourge for example).
Depends on what that new console slot is.
I'm hoping it will be a tactical console for escorts and destroyers.
That would be sweet, but for about the same amount of zen an upgraded Dyson Command Science Destroyer (MoQ) gets you much better TAC bridge seating and a CDR sci seat.
Least thats how I see it.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
You have just bought a new car and some time goes by and the Car Manufacturer brings out a new updated model.
Now would you go into the dealership demanding a replacement to the new model for free or to upgrade your existing car to match the new model for free, no you would not.
So why should Cryptic do the same? This is an entertainment business and they need to make money by bring out new model cars (T6, T-5U etc).
So stop moaning and being deluded and enjoy the fact Cryptic is realising a tonnage of new content :-)
the fandom says no, they enjoy acting like spoiled children, I blame GIFT.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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2. I pay a monthly subscription, so I'm entitled to share my opinion with Cryptic if I don't like the present path they are pursuing.
3. If more people paid for a subscription then they wouldn't have to sell ships every other month. Time which could be spent on better things.
4. Paying $50 to $100 for ship bundles and looking at the possibility of having to pay another $30 to $100 is not a wise idea, and certainly with prevent me for purchasing anything else. I imagine I'm not alone in this thought.
5. To get more subscribers they need more content that paying members want such as but not limited to; a better interface, improved graphics, polishing of the game, correction of graphical errors, exploration, a larger galaxy, better foundry tools and mission delivery.
6. it's not moaning it is called feedback, it can be positive or negative. I try to express both where possible.
A forum where people don't make topics about the same thing over and over.
I've been there.... takes days weeks, maybe even months for new threads to appear, and the rest move very slowly.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Your Subscriptions pays for the benefits of being a Gold member, nothing else.
So the point I have made in the OP is still an applicable metaphor.
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From your point of view not mine.
Except it isn't, because in this case the Car Dealer is offering free upgrades to the ones that were won in a competition (lockbox), while making the people who paid for their vehicles have to pay for the upgrade.
Now that sounds like a delusion!
edit: Don't get me wrong, I agree with the OP - but it's been said over and over again how many times in the main threadnaught on the topic?
either make it a free upgrade to T5U, or make it proper T6 for the price
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