All of this discussion has (mostly) been ignoring the obvious elefant of the Fleet T6 ships that will be appearing over time.
Just saying.
That's a bridge I'll cross when I get to it. Right now there are more important matters regarding the mechanics of this system that require addressment.
What changes they make after this current discussion will no doubt affect the final product in regards to Fleet T6 ships.
I have lots of 10 toons, each as lots of ships i enjoy flying. Most are Fleet/Lockbox ships so I have paid for the upgrades from T5 to 5.5 asking me to possibly pay $5-10 per ship for 40 ships? Hell no. And the way this whole deal was handled I won't pay to upgrade my fav ship the Galaxy.
Fleet ships should have been free upgrade as they were already bought. Cryptic f*cked this up bad in my book. Its so obvious they havent worked the details out for themselves yet, and thanks to that we get this pile of TRIBBLE idea. We dont even get a boff slot added, not even an ensign for paying 2500 zen + 500 zen for fleet module + fleet credits + how ever much this upgrade will be. What a joke.
Here is what happened, man I dont want to go add a boff to EVERY ship in the game, to much time and effort, just do what we did with fleet ships and give it more hp/shield and a console.
I say "My wallet is closed to you cryptic, good day. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!".
You know you have a good point. Especially if you had to dismiss the ship to make room in the shipyard.
It's going to be very discouraging for players having to start at level 0 all over again. Especially if the ship leveling is slow.
I agree with the dismissal problem. But it's much the same as dismissing a fleet ship, if you ground for the module.
Also, I may be misunderstanding, but the hull value increases based on captain level, does it not?
It's simply the passive abilities that are gained at the first four ship levels (akin to reputation system), and the ship levels are raised simply by destroying enemies. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I read it.
The biggest thing to wait for now is to see the REAL difference this extra 6th Boff seat does and what level it is.
Or is this Tier 6 ship have 5 Boff seats and one of them just happens to be the special seating or do they actually have 6 Boff seats?! And at what level is that 6th?!
Fleet Admiral Thomas Winston James a.k.a. The Grayfox Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
He doesn't appear to be defending anything, but rather pointing out that a jillion people have posted that same opinion or variations thereof (with which I have no beef), and for some reason felt compelled to start a new thread, despite at least five others dedicated to complaining about the newly enlightening T5->T6 dev blog.
There's two ways to respond to your post.
The way I'd choose is more neutral discussion:
I see what you're saying, however, this is a pretty common occurrence on forums. Some posters have a tendency to start new threads. It's just part of doing business in this format. So I think it's not all that constructive to essentially attack the poster the way that response did.
Then there's the way one could respond using that poster's style:
Thank you for your own unique snowflake outlook, but really the poster should have better reading comprehension skills and really just L2P.
I have tac and sci in each faction, plus a fed engi, thats 7 toons. Each toon has ~4 ships that are fitted for different kinds of end-game content (PVP ships, PVE ships for rep grinding, heavies for CCE, carriers, and so forth), so that's ~28 total end-game ships that are built and ready for use. Every one of those now has to be upgraded or replaced to be competitive for their end-game purpose. The gear is going to be obsoleted soon as well.
So, you have different ships on each of several characters that you use for different purposes.
I have no doubt they're optimized for those purposes very well. But I doubt any of the other ships would absolutely fail to perform other functions; they just wouldn't do it as well. But it's your choice to use 28 different ships, and it was your choice to buy all of them. Can't blame Cryptic for that.
Are all of the ships different from that on any other character? I feel compelled to point out that each upgrade is a character unlock; so if you have a ship that's used for 3 or 4 of your characters, you only need to pay to upgrade it once, and only if it's on the "pay to upgrade" list.
I am more than just a little peeved at this move right now!
Engaging rant mode, Red Alert, battle stations!
The fleet ships (the ships we were led to believe were the BEST OF THE BEST), lock box ships, and top level tier 5 ships from the z-store that people have ALREADY PAID FOR should ALL be free upgrades, INCLUDING an extra BOFF slot or full T-6 Abilities.
Whereas the FREE event ships should be the ones that cost money to upgrade. They are free so they should have to pay to make them better than free, otherwise what is the point of buying any store ships when you can get a free ship that is better?
Also, how is a T-5U ship still "competitive" with a T-6 ship when it has so much LESS than the T-6? Mainly the lack of the StarshipTrait and Specialized BO seats and Additional BO ability? That is half the list there, that does NOT make for a "competitive ship", that makes for an expensive paperweight compared to the T-6.
Paying to "upgrade" a ship that will still be INFERIOR is not a "competitive upgrade" it is a "money sink" and a rip-off!
That would be like thinking a little single engine propeller plane with an upgraded paint job and a hand pistol duct-taped to a wing will somehow beat a top of the line jet fighter in a fight or race.
Since there seems to be some bad business decisions going on here (does anyone working for the company have any sort of business degree or experience?), let me clue you in... Sometimes giving people something for FREE or steeply discounted will make you MORE MONEY in the long run because you will then have more loyal customers instead of charging them for every little thing you release and pushing them away with your unending greed and lack or real substantial content. ESPECIALLY WITH DIGITAL CONTENT!
When you go above and beyond the expectations of your customers, you will get MORE customers. Charging MORE for something and selling less does not always make you more money than charging less and selling more will.
But telling someone they have to pay more for something they ALREADY PAID FOR that was supposedly "top teir" in the game for 3+ years, and yet still will not make it as good as the new thing even when you believe it will be "competitive" is just bad business and will earn you more and more scorn. I already paid for z-store ships, and then PAID EVEN MORE to get the fleet variants, now you want me to pay EVEN MORE to get the T-5upgrade and then PAY EVEN MORE to get an actual T-6 ship? You really WANT my money, but if that is your business model you will be getting none of it.
Now if the "upgrade" was to FULL T-6 abilities, I don't think I would have that big of a problem with doing that, especially if it was only $5-10usd for an account unlock, but ONLY for a FULL t-6 upgrade!
But... It isn't looking that way, so my wallet is closed now unless this gets fixed for us Lifetime subscribers and paying customers. Because this is ridiculous!
I was really looking forward to this expansion release until I found out all the ships and such I spent money on will not even come close to the new ships... And what is to say there isn't another level cap and Tier-7 ships down the road to make all the Tier-6 ships obsolete?
This is a game, it should be FUN, and not feeling like another job and waste of money. If you tell us something is top level, it should STAY top level!
At the VERY LEAST allow FULL T-6 for the Fleet Ships and Veteran Ships, especially for the lifetime subscribers.
More goodies for lifetime subscribers means more money from new and old players alike.
Will you pay $40 for T5 with double upgrades that is inferior to T6 with one fleet upgrade?
Uh, if I like the T5 ship better, then yeah. I thought that was obvious from my previous post. I'm not overly concerned about my characters having the end-all-be-all ships. I mean, at least one of my characters will probably have the T6 Fed ship we've been shown, but that's because I actually like the look of it. And like I mentioned in my previous post, Cryptic has said, pretty much flat out, that T6 isn't going to matter that much unless you're a PvP player.
1) Charging zen for an upgrade that already cost zen to upgrade in the first place.
2) Making said upgrade inferior in the way of the extra boff slot and specialization
3) Pitchforkers freaking out
How to fix these problems
1) Charge dilithium for a T5-U upgrade.
2) Make T5-Us have an extra, regular (non-Specialist) boff slot, no specialization as a compromise
3) Chill the puppy (replacing the bad word with the word puppy) out and relax.. Seriously.
Also, giving out a Tier 6 for hitting level 60 in the same way as it did at level 40, would also be a good idea.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
I'm just going to come out and say it. Cryptic, make all ships that unlock and vice admiral 50 T6 ships instead of upgrades. Save yourself the headache.
Of course. But I don't think the comment was quite as aggressive or over-the-top as your example. But, that's a matter of individual opinion. You accepted my point, and I see and accept yours.
So, you have different ships on each of several characters that you use for different purposes.
I have no doubt they're optimized for those purposes very well. But I doubt any of the other ships would absolutely fail to perform other functions; they just wouldn't do it as well. But it's your choice to use 28 different ships, and it was your choice to buy all of them. Can't blame Cryptic for that.
Are all of the ships different from that on any other character? I feel compelled to point out that each upgrade is a character unlock; so if you have a ship that's used for 3 or 4 of your characters, you only need to pay to upgrade it once, and only if it's on the "pay to upgrade" list.
Your right cryptic totally wanted us to have 1 ship per character. Thats why they sell so many right? Thats why they made leveling so fast, made rep tokens for alts, made us get new ships at every tier, added ship swapping and loadouts... oh wait.
What's a fleet module going for on the exchange? Grind EC. It's free. Or, grind Dilithium, it's also free. Buy yourself some fleet modules. Buy the fleet variant. You haven't paid a dime, just time.
What did cryptic get? A bill for their server. That you played on. So you have to pay five bucks to get a more powerful version. How's that different than buying the regular store ships?
It takes a bit of work, yes, and like most (if not all) F2P games, there's a shortcut that costs IRL money. Nobody makes you spend it. But the servers won't pay for themselves.
Oh! You have a Job! My statement still stands about the fact that you're still paying 20 usd on average on a fleet ship, whether it's one of the standard ships (i.e. non-c-store variants) or getting the C-store ship before the fleet version has been unlocked/paying for 5 fleet modules if you didn't.
And also remind me where you get the fleet modules to begin with? Oh yeah...The C-Store. It doesn't matter if you grind EC or Dil for them....you're still in essence paying 5 usd for each module on average
Your current ship is inferior to the soon-to-be-released T6 ships.
1. You can upgrade your ships, but that does not change the above statement.
2. Upgrades cost $5-$10 for most ships, some can't be upgraded, some get free upgrades.
3. You can discard your current ships and purchase a T6.
Seriously, you can't have it both ways. Make T5-U (inferior) upgrades for ec or dilithium, and monetize full upgrades. Otherwise, it just seems insulting...but that may just be me.
I planned on buying a T6 anyway, but I'm not upgrading all of my ships. Why? Because they're mirror ships, and thus obsolete. So I'll play KDF side, and ignore the new content completely Fed side. No way I'm buying that Tron-esque monstrosity.
Read PWE's stock report in your newspaper.. there's your citation.
PWE stocks have been climbing the last three months, they are little different than they were a year ago. (in fact last year at this time their value was actually just slightly less) They had a heavy peak in value in March of this year, but have been far more stable through the summer than they were through the winter. PWE stock value is presently almost twice of what it was following the LOR launch.
Cryptic/Perfect World I really have to wonder... are you TRIBBLE? Do you actually think I'm going to pay you real money to upgrade what I've been grinding for the past 3 years (ever since you took over) just to continue grinding? You've robbed me of 2 master craftsmen, robbed me of what I earned in reputation, continue to pump out more grinding & honestly think I'm going to stick around for more?! I am not going to give you a dime unless you let me upgrade all my ships & gear to full T6 level & GUARANTEE me no more repeatable content. I am done grinding & to any fanboys who think all MMO's are a grind I got news for you- all MMO's are wrong. Perfect World has reported a 30% player drop off in PC games- gee I wonder why? PERHAPS IT"S BECAUSE ALL YOU DO IS SCAM US FOR MORE MONEY & PUT OUT NOTHING BUT MORE & MORE GRINDING? Perhaps it's your pathetic customer service? Perhaps it's all the endless bugs in this game that continue to go unfixed? Perhaps it's all that & more. I understand you're in business to make money but your current economic model is not working, since you all are the ones who reported the 30% drop off in PC game play. Time to change the business model & treat your long time customers with a hell of a lot more respect. Again, I will not pay you 1 cent if your plan is to shaft me from what I already earned & do nothing but introduce more "repeatable content". I will not pay you to grind more & am done with you.
PWE stocks have been climbing the last three months, they are little different than they were a year ago. (in fact last year at this time their value was actually just slightly less) They had a heavy peak in value in March of this year, but have been far more stable through the summer than they were through the winter. PWE stock value is presently almost twice of what it was following the LOR launch.
Due to mobile gaming from what I hear. So I would not say its reflective of PC games.
It should be noted that some ships will be free to upgrade.
This includes things like many event reputation ships (like the Breen and Risian ships), all lockbox ships, all lobi store ships, and duty officer promotion ships like the JemHadar Attack Ship and Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser.
From the original post ^
The word "Free" is a beautiful thing. And looking at the list of upgrade-able ships I am glad to see that all of my ships are on the list!
Good question. Here's the breakdown on Fleet ships. Right now, Fleet Ships offer +1 console slot, +10% Hull HP and +10% Shield HP over a standard T5 ship. If you were to upgrade a Fleet Ship to T5-U, it would gain all the benefits mentioned:
-Bonus scaling HP
-Starship Mastery passive abilities
-+1 Console Slot
The short answer to your question is no. They will have 10% better shield and hull than the non-fleet T5-U variant and have +1 console slot.
Sorry if I missed this, but the above bold is not true for Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofits. Are you planning on making this so for T5-U?
Reading the list of ships on the Ship Upgrade Status Report, there are a lot of ships that will be upgradeable. I must be blind but judging from the list only 2 of my ships will be upgradeable for free on my main toon. What a crock of s##t. As always we fork out hard-earned cash for something we wana use, thinking we can use it forever, but to compete with everyone else, we have to pay more and more to upgrade.
I can't even see the free Ambassador-class (Support Cruiser) on the list, it's fleet variant is on the list but freely obtainable ships from missions are not. So why the heck give us free ships from missions and then TRIBBLE us. Some of us like riding the Ambassador, we asked for it enough.
To compete and save money, I'll prob only upgrade my main toons ship and wait for a shiny tier 6, don't wana be left behind.
* wonder's if his T5 Vor'Cha or soon to have T5 Excelsior will be left out of the upfail cause he can't find any reference about them *
Either way, I'm not buying zen with my money, why? Cause Cryptic pays me zen to hang around for the player numbers.
If I can upfail......upgrade my ships, the I shall use my stipend. If I can't, then there's going to be a lot of rage and fists waving at my T5's in a STF.
I want real ships, not a T6 flying egg carton with toilet paper roll nacelles from the local kindergarten art class. :P
Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit can be upgraded for Zen, with separate costs for C-Store and Fleet versions.
Vor'Cha is a no-go, it's acquired "with a Dilithium or Rank-Up Token cost."
Fleet Tor'Kaht Battle Cruiser Retrofit can be upgraded for Zen.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
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It's been brought up...way back...just saying. :P
That's a bridge I'll cross when I get to it. Right now there are more important matters regarding the mechanics of this system that require addressment.
What changes they make after this current discussion will no doubt affect the final product in regards to Fleet T6 ships.
Fleet ships should have been free upgrade as they were already bought. Cryptic f*cked this up bad in my book. Its so obvious they havent worked the details out for themselves yet, and thanks to that we get this pile of TRIBBLE idea. We dont even get a boff slot added, not even an ensign for paying 2500 zen + 500 zen for fleet module + fleet credits + how ever much this upgrade will be. What a joke.
Here is what happened, man I dont want to go add a boff to EVERY ship in the game, to much time and effort, just do what we did with fleet ships and give it more hp/shield and a console.
I say "My wallet is closed to you cryptic, good day. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!".
I agree with the dismissal problem. But it's much the same as dismissing a fleet ship, if you ground for the module.
Also, I may be misunderstanding, but the hull value increases based on captain level, does it not?
It's simply the passive abilities that are gained at the first four ship levels (akin to reputation system), and the ship levels are raised simply by destroying enemies. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I read it.
Or is this Tier 6 ship have 5 Boff seats and one of them just happens to be the special seating or do they actually have 6 Boff seats?! And at what level is that 6th?!
Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians
U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
Game Handle: Grayfox@GrayfoxJames
Website: https://www.libertytaskforce.com
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Email: CSDynamix@Hotmail.com
There's two ways to respond to your post.
The way I'd choose is more neutral discussion:
I see what you're saying, however, this is a pretty common occurrence on forums. Some posters have a tendency to start new threads. It's just part of doing business in this format. So I think it's not all that constructive to essentially attack the poster the way that response did.
Then there's the way one could respond using that poster's style:
Thank you for your own unique snowflake outlook, but really the poster should have better reading comprehension skills and really just L2P.
See the difference?
I have no doubt they're optimized for those purposes very well. But I doubt any of the other ships would absolutely fail to perform other functions; they just wouldn't do it as well. But it's your choice to use 28 different ships, and it was your choice to buy all of them. Can't blame Cryptic for that.
Are all of the ships different from that on any other character? I feel compelled to point out that each upgrade is a character unlock; so if you have a ship that's used for 3 or 4 of your characters, you only need to pay to upgrade it once, and only if it's on the "pay to upgrade" list.
PAYING...
LIFETIME SUBSCRIBER...
I am more than just a little peeved at this move right now!
Engaging rant mode, Red Alert, battle stations!
The fleet ships (the ships we were led to believe were the BEST OF THE BEST), lock box ships, and top level tier 5 ships from the z-store that people have ALREADY PAID FOR should ALL be free upgrades, INCLUDING an extra BOFF slot or full T-6 Abilities.
Whereas the FREE event ships should be the ones that cost money to upgrade. They are free so they should have to pay to make them better than free, otherwise what is the point of buying any store ships when you can get a free ship that is better?
Also, how is a T-5U ship still "competitive" with a T-6 ship when it has so much LESS than the T-6? Mainly the lack of the StarshipTrait and Specialized BO seats and Additional BO ability? That is half the list there, that does NOT make for a "competitive ship", that makes for an expensive paperweight compared to the T-6.
Paying to "upgrade" a ship that will still be INFERIOR is not a "competitive upgrade" it is a "money sink" and a rip-off!
That would be like thinking a little single engine propeller plane with an upgraded paint job and a hand pistol duct-taped to a wing will somehow beat a top of the line jet fighter in a fight or race.
Since there seems to be some bad business decisions going on here (does anyone working for the company have any sort of business degree or experience?), let me clue you in... Sometimes giving people something for FREE or steeply discounted will make you MORE MONEY in the long run because you will then have more loyal customers instead of charging them for every little thing you release and pushing them away with your unending greed and lack or real substantial content. ESPECIALLY WITH DIGITAL CONTENT!
When you go above and beyond the expectations of your customers, you will get MORE customers. Charging MORE for something and selling less does not always make you more money than charging less and selling more will.
But telling someone they have to pay more for something they ALREADY PAID FOR that was supposedly "top teir" in the game for 3+ years, and yet still will not make it as good as the new thing even when you believe it will be "competitive" is just bad business and will earn you more and more scorn. I already paid for z-store ships, and then PAID EVEN MORE to get the fleet variants, now you want me to pay EVEN MORE to get the T-5upgrade and then PAY EVEN MORE to get an actual T-6 ship? You really WANT my money, but if that is your business model you will be getting none of it.
Now if the "upgrade" was to FULL T-6 abilities, I don't think I would have that big of a problem with doing that, especially if it was only $5-10usd for an account unlock, but ONLY for a FULL t-6 upgrade!
But... It isn't looking that way, so my wallet is closed now unless this gets fixed for us Lifetime subscribers and paying customers. Because this is ridiculous!
I was really looking forward to this expansion release until I found out all the ships and such I spent money on will not even come close to the new ships... And what is to say there isn't another level cap and Tier-7 ships down the road to make all the Tier-6 ships obsolete?
This is a game, it should be FUN, and not feeling like another job and waste of money. If you tell us something is top level, it should STAY top level!
At the VERY LEAST allow FULL T-6 for the Fleet Ships and Veteran Ships, especially for the lifetime subscribers.
More goodies for lifetime subscribers means more money from new and old players alike.
Uh, if I like the T5 ship better, then yeah. I thought that was obvious from my previous post. I'm not overly concerned about my characters having the end-all-be-all ships. I mean, at least one of my characters will probably have the T6 Fed ship we've been shown, but that's because I actually like the look of it. And like I mentioned in my previous post, Cryptic has said, pretty much flat out, that T6 isn't going to matter that much unless you're a PvP player.
1) Charging zen for an upgrade that already cost zen to upgrade in the first place.
2) Making said upgrade inferior in the way of the extra boff slot and specialization
3) Pitchforkers freaking out
How to fix these problems
1) Charge dilithium for a T5-U upgrade.
2) Make T5-Us have an extra, regular (non-Specialist) boff slot, no specialization as a compromise
3) Chill the puppy (replacing the bad word with the word puppy) out and relax.. Seriously.
Also, giving out a Tier 6 for hitting level 60 in the same way as it did at level 40, would also be a good idea.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
Of course. But I don't think the comment was quite as aggressive or over-the-top as your example. But, that's a matter of individual opinion. You accepted my point, and I see and accept yours.
By actually listening to the consumer. Especially veterans who are long time investors to the game.
Your right cryptic totally wanted us to have 1 ship per character. Thats why they sell so many right? Thats why they made leveling so fast, made rep tokens for alts, made us get new ships at every tier, added ship swapping and loadouts... oh wait.
Its almost like the opposite of what you said.
Oh! You have a Job! My statement still stands about the fact that you're still paying 20 usd on average on a fleet ship, whether it's one of the standard ships (i.e. non-c-store variants) or getting the C-store ship before the fleet version has been unlocked/paying for 5 fleet modules if you didn't.
And also remind me where you get the fleet modules to begin with? Oh yeah...The C-Store. It doesn't matter if you grind EC or Dil for them....you're still in essence paying 5 usd for each module on average
Your current ship is inferior to the soon-to-be-released T6 ships.
1. You can upgrade your ships, but that does not change the above statement.
2. Upgrades cost $5-$10 for most ships, some can't be upgraded, some get free upgrades.
3. You can discard your current ships and purchase a T6.
Seriously, you can't have it both ways. Make T5-U (inferior) upgrades for ec or dilithium, and monetize full upgrades. Otherwise, it just seems insulting...but that may just be me.
I planned on buying a T6 anyway, but I'm not upgrading all of my ships. Why? Because they're mirror ships, and thus obsolete. So I'll play KDF side, and ignore the new content completely Fed side. No way I'm buying that Tron-esque monstrosity.
^This. This would solve the problem. Although, I think the KDF players might disagree, I think this would be the best solution.
Z-Store ship -> fleet upgrade (500z) -> T6 upgrade (500z)
PWE stocks have been climbing the last three months, they are little different than they were a year ago. (in fact last year at this time their value was actually just slightly less) They had a heavy peak in value in March of this year, but have been far more stable through the summer than they were through the winter. PWE stock value is presently almost twice of what it was following the LOR launch.
In the end I have 5 characters I actually play, 4 of which have Lock Box ships at thier disposal.
With that said the only ship I aboslutely must upgrade is my Fleet T'Varo.
After that I will upgrade my Fleet Tor'kaht, Fleet Mogh, Fleet Advanced Escort, and my Vesta (Tactical version).
Probably upgrade my Fleet Galaxy-X and Fleet Nebula depending on how the whole upgrade process plays out.
I am really curious to see what they do with the Steamrunner and hope that they take this opportunity to really address the Aquarius.
I know I have mentioned mostly fed ships, I have 1 active Fed with a large shipyard. My other 4 active characters are all KDF or KDF allied Rom.
Due to mobile gaming from what I hear. So I would not say its reflective of PC games.
The word "Free" is a beautiful thing. And looking at the list of upgrade-able ships I am glad to see that all of my ships are on the list!
Sorry if I missed this, but the above bold is not true for Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofits. Are you planning on making this so for T5-U?
I can't even see the free Ambassador-class (Support Cruiser) on the list, it's fleet variant is on the list but freely obtainable ships from missions are not. So why the heck give us free ships from missions and then TRIBBLE us. Some of us like riding the Ambassador, we asked for it enough.
To compete and save money, I'll prob only upgrade my main toons ship and wait for a shiny tier 6, don't wana be left behind.
Take back your home,end the grind!
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Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit can be upgraded for Zen, with separate costs for C-Store and Fleet versions.
Vor'Cha is a no-go, it's acquired "with a Dilithium or Rank-Up Token cost."
Fleet Tor'Kaht Battle Cruiser Retrofit can be upgraded for Zen.