Cryptic/PWE, you are out of your minds. You expect me to pay to grind? and that all I've ground and paid for to mean nothing unless I pay more? I bought the Galaxy bundle and 2 fleet gal x's (for 2 different characters) the day BEFORE Delta Rising was announced. You, quite literally, made me waste my money and you expect me to pay more? Are you TRIBBLE? I'm not, goodbye.
Did it cost to upgrade from a 9 console ship to a 10 console Fleet ship?
So should it cost to upgrade from a T5 ship to a T5-U ship?
Why is it even a question? Like...duh...
because some of us are sick of paying for the same ship over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again..
another 5-10 dollars, per ship, per toon, which I have already purchased said ships in lower tiers for the console, than an upper teir, and then a fleet module for a fleet version, and now a t5-u, which isn't even worth it in my book..
im not happy with the upgrade.. honestly, I would much rather have lost something else, than access to the new boff seating.. I honestly only play canon vessels, as I do not like the cryptic vessels. further more, the two fed ships we have seen are hideous to boot. I have no need or want to get said t6 ships, so now I am being punished for not buying one by having a crappy t5-u version..
when I imagined how to properly balance canon vessels with the TRIBBLE t6 vessels coming out, I imagined that the teir 6 would have a very minor leg up on the t5 upgrades. literally like some sort of built in power, or something.. the proposed t6 still dwarfs the t5-u. but I should know better than to trust cryptic to not be greedy, and not try to strong arm and ruin the game for those of us who love star trek, and not the cryptic abomination that is sto.
I spent $300 dollars for the lifetime and $130 for the legacy of Romulus and not to mention several hundred dollars on C-store ships over the years and now all my ships are going to be NERF-ED if I don't spend more money on my teir 5 ships... look at the cost of these teir 5 ships 2500 zen a piece on most of them
i can understand not including all the new mechanics but for 5-10 dollars i should get all 5 mastery levels. I can deal if i don't get the special BOFF slot but we should at least get the mastery trait and extra console and BOFF skill slot come on.
- Starship Trait
- Additional BO ability
- Specialized BO seats
The above list seems like gamechangers for ships. (And is half the list of features -- not just "a few bells and whistles.")
If that's the case, then I'm sorry, but that will make T5Us obsolete from the start.
The lack of an additional BO ability is my only real problem.
$5 to $10 for a ship upgrade is reasonable. No having Specialist Boff seats is no big deal (especially if they can be slotted in the universal slots on many of the pay ships in the game). And starship traits...well you get them from maxing out the true T6 ships, and then applying them to your preferred T5U ship (and making Cryptic a bit of bank in the process).
But an additional Boff slot ONLY for T6...that's not a good idea; I mean, there 3 or four skills that would improve my build if I just had one more ensign Boff seat. So I'll say this. UNLESS the T5U includes this extra boff seating (or the extra boff seat is removed from T6), this is probably going to cause a fair bit of elitism/flaming in Elite PvE and in PvP.
EDIT:
So just re-read the blog for the third time in case I missed something, and I did. Apparently the boff ability will be build into the ship, based on the language in the blog. Which means no changing the power, and probably a 2 min cooldown. If that's the case, then really, I'm ok with all of this.
Pay for an upgrade? I won't like it but I'll do it sure. They're a business, they've gotta make a buck and I understand that.
Pay for an INFERIOR upgrade? No, wait. Seriously? Pay for substandard garbage? Give you my money for stuff I already know is weak junk? Oh, I rather think not.......
I'm sure this has been said, but I just want to register how I feel...
NO.... Just plain no.
I've already paid for the ships. I am NOT going to pay more money to upgrade them.
It should be an in-game currency to upgrade, not real money. Paying $20-$25 bucks for a ship once is enough. If the result was a T6 version that had ALL the bells and whistles, $5 might be worth it. As it stands I'd rather pay EC (You know, actually make it useful for something) or Dilithium.
because some of us are sick of paying for the same ship over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again..
another 5-10 dollars, per ship, per toon, which I have already purchased said ships in lower tiers for the console, than an upper teir, and then a fleet module for a fleet version, and now a t5-u, which isn't even worth it in my book..
im not happy with the upgrade.. honestly, I would much rather have lost something else, than access to the new boff seating.. I honestly only play canon vessels, as I do not like the cryptic vessels. further more, the two fed ships we have seen are hideous to boot. I have no need or want to get said t6 ships, so now I am being punished for not buying one by having a crappy t5-u version..
when I imagined how to properly balance canon vessels with the TRIBBLE t6 vessels coming out, I imagined that the teir 6 would have a very minor leg up on the t5 upgrades. literally like some sort of built in power, or something.. the proposed t6 still dwarfs the t5-u. but I should know better than to trust cryptic to not be greedy, and not try to strong arm and ruin the game for those of us who love star trek, and not the cryptic abomination that is sto.
cryptic just lost a customer.. peace out guys..
i feel you man, big fan of the galaxy and gal-x, in terms of in the shows, even if not T6, i may still fly them upgrade or not.
Okay, first of all thanks to LaughingTrendy for decrypting this Devblog so quickly.
Considering the content? Sorry it's not acceptable. I am not going to pay for upgrades that still leave my ship inferior, not even from my Zen stipend. One bridge officer power already is a huge difference, and the specialist officers and starship traits might be. If you are trying to sell me something you failed. T5-U is either just a band-aid to make our ships a bit better until we get frustrated and buy the new top tier or a cash grab before you rerelease the old T5 ships as T6 versions.
Going to have to agree with all of this.
If the upgrade to a ship that we've already paid for is an upgrade to a level that's less powerful than tier 6 in any way, it better be free. If we have to pay Zen for it, it better put our ships all the way up to a full tier 6 in every respect.
Instead of simply an up-grade option where a T5-U will still be under a T6 ship, allow a trade in option. Upgrade all the ships for free. If a C Store ship that was purchased for 2000 Zen will be 3000 Zen, for T6, then charge me 1000 Zen and take my T5 ship. The T5 ship was purchased in good faith. When I want this years model of my vehicle I don't add new parts to my old, I trade it in. With the knowledge that there will be an additional price but also compensated for what I previously spent.
In regards to Fleet Ships... These ships where purchased with a cost to the entire fleet and the individual. The fleet spent time, resources and in most cases hard earned money to achieve a T5 Starbase. Then the individual did the same to acquire the fleet ship. Don't devalue that effort. Upgrade the T5 ships for free, but as with C Store ships allow a trade in option. Whether that be with an additional fleet module, fleet marks or resources.
In reality new players will come to the game that have no gripe when they purchase a T6 ship, but don't set aside those of us that have been here playing the game too and worked to get the T5 ship when it was all that was available. Don't leave us with the only option to upgrade our T5 ship to a lesser version of a T6. Give us an option to get what we originally paid for, the top of the line ships. We purchased a T5 ship, we should not have to pay extra to a make it a 'better' T5 ship. That is what we did in leveling our toons, got better ships. Perhaps that is another option for T5-U, if we purchased a ship it will level up with us as we get to level 60.
In the end, give us what we paid for and if we want the newer model allow us a trade in option.
The lack of an additional BO ability is my only real problem.
$5 to $10 for a ship upgrade is reasonable. No having Specialist Boff seats is no big deal (especially if they can be slotted in the universal slots on many of the pay ships in the game). And starship traits...well you get them from maxing out the true T6 ships, and then applying them to your preferred T5U ship (and making Cryptic a bit of bank in the process).
But an additional Boff slot ONLY for T6...that's not a good idea; I mean, there 3 or four skills that would improve my build if I just had one more ensign Boff seat. So I'll say this. UNLESS the T5U includes this extra boff seating (or the extra boff seat is removed from T6), this is probably going to cause a fair bit of elitism/flaming in Elite PvE and in PvP.
It's a BOFF ability...not a BOFF seat.
Why do people keep saying seat when both blogs clearly state ability?
Alright, time for me to put in my two cents. Read this at school, mulled it over on the way home. And I think my two cents can be easily summarized in three words:
"Competitive my aft."
So let me elaborate. Tier 5 ships - that we have already paid fairly HIGH prices for - can be upgraded by paying MORE money. And, here's the kicker... they won't even be as STRONG as a standard Tier 6 ship. No Level 5 Ship Mastery. No Specialization BOff slots - which I can already sense will be the next broken hotness, along with whatever the Fire Caves the "Redacted" BOffs are. SO... T5-U will not be NEARLY as strong as a T6 ship at endgame... and you expect us to pay more in total for the T5-U than the T6?
Nah. That's bull. Make it free or make it the same level - Specialist BOffs and all. Because removing power slots and NOT giving a substitute is NOT "competitive." A T4 ship is not "competitive" at endgame. It can't slot as many BOffs, and the deficit is felt fairly quickly. No. T5-U is not "competitive." It's a gimmick to satisfy the claim that you can upgrade your ships. Claim it is all you like, the numbers are calling BS.
If my upgraded T5 ships are not EVERY BIT as good as a T6 ship then I am done with this game.
They do not need to have exactly the same features as a T6 ship, but it better not be possible to objectively point to the differences and find that they don't stand up. If the T6 ships have shiny new ship abilities that they don't want to share with the T5-U ships, then T5-u ships better get an additional slot for boff abilities or a console slot that can only take universal consoles or something else that T6 doesn't get.
If this update goes as the blog stated they can kiss ever seeing a cent from me or anyone I can convince goodbye.
Why do people keep saying seat when both blogs clearly state ability?
Either Cryptic meant seat, and this is just another form of bungled communication. Likely.
Or there is apparently a distinction between ability and seat, of which we are not aware of. A mechanic that has yet to be explained. In which case this is another form of bungled communication. Likely.
Since I have no unique bridge officer abilities that are unique to any particular ship.
Okay, Cryptic. No CRAPTIC YOU EARN THIS NAME! You just screwed over all the fleets with this T6 upgrade. It's now WORTHLESS TO GET THE FLEET VERSION OF OUR SHIPS. You are forcing everyone into that ugly TRIBBLE piece of TRIBBLE. many of my fleets ships are not even upgradable so they become useless. And many of us have a TRIBBLE ton of ships so zen cost is going to be huge.
We came to this game to FLY SHIPS WE SAW IN TREK. and now we can't. That T6 Fed ship is a totally piece of TRIBBLE. Then the KDF. yeah you just screwed again since most of you zen ships are not T 5 and the fleet are limited. and many likely fly Mirror versions of their ships, so yeah they are screwed.
Craptic. apologize, fire some people, and LISTEN TO YOU CUSTOMERS YOU IDIOTS!.
I am fine with the upgrade cost of $5 of zen. And I wish people would stop complaining about that being 5 real dollars. It doesn't really take that long to grind dilthium into 500 zen. If you have like 8 ships, I can see why that's a problem. But, if you already have 8 fancy ships, you've probably already forked over $$$. You want an upgrade that buffs your old shiny? Here is the price tag for you. Grind/wait or pay/get.
So, I'm fine with all of that.
But the T5U stuff is nonsense. Really? T5 (U)? Just make it T6. Put those bells and whistles in the T6 lock boxes or the T6 Z-store ships. Just let us upgrade our ships to T6. Nobody had to over-think this stuff to this degree.
It is confusing, and it leads to a lot of anger from people who feel invested in the ships that actually look like Fed hero ships. Things could be a lot simpler.
Or if it's a universal ensign or a specific ensign. There aren't a lot of useful tactical ensign powers (of which we have let Cryptic know for years).
I'll take a Science Ensign or a Universal Ensign over a console. Depending on the layout of the ship.
But if it's a Lt. or Lt. Cmdr.? Yeah, I'll just go with the bridge officers and suffer with 10 consoles instead of 11.
Yeah, I don't really need an extra Tactical Team. Even an extra Engineering Team or Science Team, though, I can live without. It's not a severe enough impediment right now that I couldn't cover it with another console.
I'd love to see the T5U upgrade put the ships on statistically even footing with a T6, period, if only so I can be at relative parity with the new ships. (I won't buy one of the new designs, at least. I really, really find their aesthetics unpleasant.)
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Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
Well in hindsight I don't need to worry about upgrading it because most of my characters are KDF so these upgrades won't do anything different besides meager stats that I could care less about. Even if I were concerned about pvp which I am not it still wouldn't matter being that the only tactic any of these novices use are spam tactics and usually easily to beat and is why I don't like pvp in this game because its not a challenge and most time players die faster than npcs.
I am still waiting for them to explain how this is going to solve the power creep problem. I still don't see stuff like 5 tact console kdf ships that have battle cloak. Nor do I see them making a boff so that Klingon/KDF captains get the same benefit as romulan republic ones get with infiltrator trait from remans with cloak ambush.
No wonder they kept quiet about it all this time because it sounds like just a way for them to try and nickel and dime off stuff ppl already paid for lol. Not worth a damn imo.
If I could change only one thing about the T5-U upgrade it's this business of the T5 ships only being upgradeable to not quite as good as T6 ships business has to be changed. No one who actually cares about their ships combat abilities will be happy with anything less than a true T6 upgrade for all our old T5 ships. If they can keep the Excelsior class starships around through the Dominion war, they ought to be able to upgrade ships like the Prometheus to true T6 standards.
Anything less than true T6 upgrades means that the T6 ships are pay-to-win ships. No if ands or buts. Fix this if you fix nothing else.
Well, I'm not thrilled with the idea. I purchased quite a few of the Ship Bundles, Romulan Legacy Pack (the Hundred dollar one) some C-Store Ships and have obtained a Fleet Dreadnought as well. Now I'm looking at having to pay another $5 to $10 to upgrade each class. Though we have more information now than we had previously there is still a lot of factors that have not been made clear as of yet.
I know I'm not speaking for every one, but I fly or command these starships because I like their looks and their lore. Instead of more ships what we need is more content, from what I have seen it will not take long to reach 60. No exploration, can only use one ship at a time. So I think I will continue to reframe from purchasing anything else and may cancel my subscription as well. I mean, really what is the point?
the chart is vague at best.. please define bells and whistles? at the moment all we
can do is speculate, which is cool, thats half the fun, but your sweeping statement
has no data to support it.
Im thinking of my Fleet T'Varo's and my Fleet Ambassador, both of which cost me zen to buy due to many modules needed (4 for the Ambassador iirc, has been a while).
I cant see them selling any ships in the next 2 months at least with this little revelation, why bother buying them when you have to pay even more to upgrade them to T5-FU
Since the upgrade isn't to full T6 the cost better be the $5 part of the "$5-$10" quoted. That way you can just say 500 Zen or 1 FSM since we already have that mechanic for getting a fleet ship.
Either Cryptic meant seat, and this is just another form of bungled communication. Likely.
Or there is apparently a distinction between ability and seat, of which we are not aware of. A mechanic that has yet to be explained. In which case this is another form of bungled communication. Likely.
Since I have no unique bridge officer abilities that are unique to any particular ship.
It's hardly a difficult distinction. Abilities are a subunit of Seats. A Commander seat has four abilities. An lieutenant seat has two abilities, and so on.
(Replace "abilities" with "skills" or replace "seats" with "stations" as desired.)
A standard T5 ship has 12 abilities/skills spread between 4 or 5 seats/stations.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
Since the upgrade isn't to full T6 the cost better be the $5 part of the "$5-$10" quoted. That way you can just say 500 Zen or 1 FSM since we already have that mechanic for getting a fleet ship.
sorry cant find the quote, but i think they mentioned that they wanted to keep FSM and
this new cost/mechanic seperate
but yeah, i think the 500zen mark is appropriate, it follows what has come before. of course i'll
be needing to see exactly what we get for it in comparison to the past, but as long as i can see
value in it it'll be fine.. over time
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because some of us are sick of paying for the same ship over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again..
another 5-10 dollars, per ship, per toon, which I have already purchased said ships in lower tiers for the console, than an upper teir, and then a fleet module for a fleet version, and now a t5-u, which isn't even worth it in my book..
im not happy with the upgrade.. honestly, I would much rather have lost something else, than access to the new boff seating.. I honestly only play canon vessels, as I do not like the cryptic vessels. further more, the two fed ships we have seen are hideous to boot. I have no need or want to get said t6 ships, so now I am being punished for not buying one by having a crappy t5-u version..
when I imagined how to properly balance canon vessels with the TRIBBLE t6 vessels coming out, I imagined that the teir 6 would have a very minor leg up on the t5 upgrades. literally like some sort of built in power, or something.. the proposed t6 still dwarfs the t5-u. but I should know better than to trust cryptic to not be greedy, and not try to strong arm and ruin the game for those of us who love star trek, and not the cryptic abomination that is sto.
cryptic just lost a customer.. peace out guys..
I spent $300 dollars for the lifetime and $130 for the legacy of Romulus and not to mention several hundred dollars on C-store ships over the years and now all my ships are going to be NERF-ED if I don't spend more money on my teir 5 ships... look at the cost of these teir 5 ships 2500 zen a piece on most of them
i can understand not including all the new mechanics but for 5-10 dollars i should get all 5 mastery levels. I can deal if i don't get the special BOFF slot but we should at least get the mastery trait and extra console and BOFF skill slot come on.
I guess I'd like to know where this extra 13th boff power falls.
If it's an ensign-level power or even a lieutenant, the tradeoff between T5U ships and T6 ships seems a lot more even and a lot more palatable.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
The lack of an additional BO ability is my only real problem.
$5 to $10 for a ship upgrade is reasonable. No having Specialist Boff seats is no big deal (especially if they can be slotted in the universal slots on many of the pay ships in the game). And starship traits...well you get them from maxing out the true T6 ships, and then applying them to your preferred T5U ship (and making Cryptic a bit of bank in the process).
But an additional Boff slot ONLY for T6...that's not a good idea; I mean, there 3 or four skills that would improve my build if I just had one more ensign Boff seat. So I'll say this. UNLESS the T5U includes this extra boff seating (or the extra boff seat is removed from T6), this is probably going to cause a fair bit of elitism/flaming in Elite PvE and in PvP.
EDIT:
So just re-read the blog for the third time in case I missed something, and I did. Apparently the boff ability will be build into the ship, based on the language in the blog. Which means no changing the power, and probably a 2 min cooldown. If that's the case, then really, I'm ok with all of this.
Pay for an INFERIOR upgrade? No, wait. Seriously? Pay for substandard garbage? Give you my money for stuff I already know is weak junk? Oh, I rather think not.......
NO.... Just plain no.
I've already paid for the ships. I am NOT going to pay more money to upgrade them.
It should be an in-game currency to upgrade, not real money. Paying $20-$25 bucks for a ship once is enough. If the result was a T6 version that had ALL the bells and whistles, $5 might be worth it. As it stands I'd rather pay EC (You know, actually make it useful for something) or Dilithium.
i feel you man, big fan of the galaxy and gal-x, in terms of in the shows, even if not T6, i may still fly them upgrade or not.
Going to have to agree with all of this.
If the upgrade to a ship that we've already paid for is an upgrade to a level that's less powerful than tier 6 in any way, it better be free. If we have to pay Zen for it, it better put our ships all the way up to a full tier 6 in every respect.
Or if it's a universal ensign or a specific ensign. There aren't a lot of useful tactical ensign powers (of which we have let Cryptic know for years).
I'll take a Science Ensign or a Universal Ensign over a console. Depending on the layout of the ship.
But if it's a Lt. or Lt. Cmdr.? Yeah, I'll just go with the bridge officers and suffer with 10 consoles instead of 11.
Instead of simply an up-grade option where a T5-U will still be under a T6 ship, allow a trade in option. Upgrade all the ships for free. If a C Store ship that was purchased for 2000 Zen will be 3000 Zen, for T6, then charge me 1000 Zen and take my T5 ship. The T5 ship was purchased in good faith. When I want this years model of my vehicle I don't add new parts to my old, I trade it in. With the knowledge that there will be an additional price but also compensated for what I previously spent.
In regards to Fleet Ships... These ships where purchased with a cost to the entire fleet and the individual. The fleet spent time, resources and in most cases hard earned money to achieve a T5 Starbase. Then the individual did the same to acquire the fleet ship. Don't devalue that effort. Upgrade the T5 ships for free, but as with C Store ships allow a trade in option. Whether that be with an additional fleet module, fleet marks or resources.
In reality new players will come to the game that have no gripe when they purchase a T6 ship, but don't set aside those of us that have been here playing the game too and worked to get the T5 ship when it was all that was available. Don't leave us with the only option to upgrade our T5 ship to a lesser version of a T6. Give us an option to get what we originally paid for, the top of the line ships. We purchased a T5 ship, we should not have to pay extra to a make it a 'better' T5 ship. That is what we did in leveling our toons, got better ships. Perhaps that is another option for T5-U, if we purchased a ship it will level up with us as we get to level 60.
In the end, give us what we paid for and if we want the newer model allow us a trade in option.
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It's a BOFF ability...not a BOFF seat.
Why do people keep saying seat when both blogs clearly state ability?
will we get the option of a free Tier 6 ship via a Rank Up Token?
"Competitive my aft."
So let me elaborate. Tier 5 ships - that we have already paid fairly HIGH prices for - can be upgraded by paying MORE money. And, here's the kicker... they won't even be as STRONG as a standard Tier 6 ship. No Level 5 Ship Mastery. No Specialization BOff slots - which I can already sense will be the next broken hotness, along with whatever the Fire Caves the "Redacted" BOffs are. SO... T5-U will not be NEARLY as strong as a T6 ship at endgame... and you expect us to pay more in total for the T5-U than the T6?
Nah. That's bull. Make it free or make it the same level - Specialist BOffs and all. Because removing power slots and NOT giving a substitute is NOT "competitive." A T4 ship is not "competitive" at endgame. It can't slot as many BOffs, and the deficit is felt fairly quickly. No. T5-U is not "competitive." It's a gimmick to satisfy the claim that you can upgrade your ships. Claim it is all you like, the numbers are calling BS.
They do not need to have exactly the same features as a T6 ship, but it better not be possible to objectively point to the differences and find that they don't stand up. If the T6 ships have shiny new ship abilities that they don't want to share with the T5-U ships, then T5-u ships better get an additional slot for boff abilities or a console slot that can only take universal consoles or something else that T6 doesn't get.
If this update goes as the blog stated they can kiss ever seeing a cent from me or anyone I can convince goodbye.
Either Cryptic meant seat, and this is just another form of bungled communication. Likely.
Or there is apparently a distinction between ability and seat, of which we are not aware of. A mechanic that has yet to be explained. In which case this is another form of bungled communication. Likely.
Since I have no unique bridge officer abilities that are unique to any particular ship.
We came to this game to FLY SHIPS WE SAW IN TREK. and now we can't. That T6 Fed ship is a totally piece of TRIBBLE. Then the KDF. yeah you just screwed again since most of you zen ships are not T 5 and the fleet are limited. and many likely fly Mirror versions of their ships, so yeah they are screwed.
Craptic. apologize, fire some people, and LISTEN TO YOU CUSTOMERS YOU IDIOTS!.
I am fine with the upgrade cost of $5 of zen. And I wish people would stop complaining about that being 5 real dollars. It doesn't really take that long to grind dilthium into 500 zen. If you have like 8 ships, I can see why that's a problem. But, if you already have 8 fancy ships, you've probably already forked over $$$. You want an upgrade that buffs your old shiny? Here is the price tag for you. Grind/wait or pay/get.
So, I'm fine with all of that.
But the T5U stuff is nonsense. Really? T5 (U)? Just make it T6. Put those bells and whistles in the T6 lock boxes or the T6 Z-store ships. Just let us upgrade our ships to T6. Nobody had to over-think this stuff to this degree.
It is confusing, and it leads to a lot of anger from people who feel invested in the ships that actually look like Fed hero ships. Things could be a lot simpler.
It's kind of weird that the most negative and aggressive posts today have been from people who are defending the company and the game.
Yet it's the "whiners" and "complainers" who are largely blamed in podcasts and by devs as the negative ones.
Yeah, I don't really need an extra Tactical Team. Even an extra Engineering Team or Science Team, though, I can live without. It's not a severe enough impediment right now that I couldn't cover it with another console.
I'd love to see the T5U upgrade put the ships on statistically even footing with a T6, period, if only so I can be at relative parity with the new ships. (I won't buy one of the new designs, at least. I really, really find their aesthetics unpleasant.)
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
I am still waiting for them to explain how this is going to solve the power creep problem. I still don't see stuff like 5 tact console kdf ships that have battle cloak. Nor do I see them making a boff so that Klingon/KDF captains get the same benefit as romulan republic ones get with infiltrator trait from remans with cloak ambush.
No wonder they kept quiet about it all this time because it sounds like just a way for them to try and nickel and dime off stuff ppl already paid for lol. Not worth a damn imo.
Anything less than true T6 upgrades means that the T6 ships are pay-to-win ships. No if ands or buts. Fix this if you fix nothing else.
I know I'm not speaking for every one, but I fly or command these starships because I like their looks and their lore. Instead of more ships what we need is more content, from what I have seen it will not take long to reach 60. No exploration, can only use one ship at a time. So I think I will continue to reframe from purchasing anything else and may cancel my subscription as well. I mean, really what is the point?
the chart is vague at best.. please define bells and whistles? at the moment all we
can do is speculate, which is cool, thats half the fun, but your sweeping statement
has no data to support it.
Im thinking of my Fleet T'Varo's and my Fleet Ambassador, both of which cost me zen to buy due to many modules needed (4 for the Ambassador iirc, has been a while).
I cant see them selling any ships in the next 2 months at least with this little revelation, why bother buying them when you have to pay even more to upgrade them to T5-FU
Because misinformation abhors a vacuum?
It's hardly a difficult distinction. Abilities are a subunit of Seats. A Commander seat has four abilities. An lieutenant seat has two abilities, and so on.
(Replace "abilities" with "skills" or replace "seats" with "stations" as desired.)
A standard T5 ship has 12 abilities/skills spread between 4 or 5 seats/stations.
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sorry cant find the quote, but i think they mentioned that they wanted to keep FSM and
this new cost/mechanic seperate
but yeah, i think the 500zen mark is appropriate, it follows what has come before. of course i'll
be needing to see exactly what we get for it in comparison to the past, but as long as i can see
value in it it'll be fine.. over time